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jon_mx said:
Were people not concerned when Obama smacked down the Supreme Court in his SOTU address?  Now Trump is Adolf Hitler because of some comments about a judge. Friggin unreal amount of hyperbole going around. 
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If you believe that criticizing a ruling and claiming someone is unfit to conduct their duties because of their heritage are similar, you're even more foregone than I thought.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Yes, but what the President knew months ago is likely different than what he knows now.  As you said, it's too late for him to intervene.  And, if there is still a chance she won't be indicted, the better political move is to ride this out and hope/pray she skates by.  Nothing to be gained by bumping her now, as opposed to a month or so from now when the findings are crystal clear and from an authoritative source.
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Do you think the investigation started with her yoga emails or the top secret emails?

 
The best evidence that it's unlikely that indictments are coming is that Biden never felt truly compelled jumped in the race even though he wanted to.   

 
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Sammy3469 said:
The clear evidence that it's unlikely that indictments are coming is that Biden never felt truly compelled jumped in the race even though he wanted to.   
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Maybe.  But the flip side to that is we are 7 months since Biden opted out, and no indication from the FBI/justice department.  Its highly unlikely they knew enough to influence his decision last fall.  If they did (know enough), the investigation would have been over by now.

Once Biden opted out, his only path in was at a contested convention.  Had he jumped into the campaign, and lost states to Hillary and/or Sanders, he would have a tougher argument to claim the mantle in the event Clinton drops out.

 
dparker713 said:
If you believe that criticizing a ruling and claiming someone is unfit to conduct their duties because of their heritage are similar, you're even more foregone than I thought.
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In terms of being a fascist which the original comment was based on, a sitting president criticizing a ruling is worse.   Trump is just some candidate who has zero authority. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Maybe.  But the flip side to that is we are 7 months since Biden opted out, and no indication from the FBI/justice department.  Its highly unlikely they knew enough to influence his decision last fall.  If they did (know enough), the investigation would have been over by now.

Once Biden opted out, his only path in was at a contested convention.  Had he jumped into the campaign, and lost states to Hillary and/or Sanders, he would have a tougher argument to claim the mantle in the event Clinton drops out.
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It's significantly more likely that they examined the most pertinent documents first - the classified and secret documents. 

 
jon_mx said:
In terms of being a fascist which the original comment was based on, a sitting president criticizing a ruling is worse.   Trump is just some candidate who has zero authority. 
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Thanks, this is enough to dismiss you for the rest of time as a crackpot and partisan hack.  

 
Surprise, surprise....the State dept is blocking the release of HIllary's TPP emails until after the election. This is the kind of administration you're going to get w/ a Clinton presidency folks. I thought this was the "most transparent administration ever"?

 
Rick James said:
Surprise, surprise....the State dept is blocking the release of HIllary's TPP emails until after the election. This is the kind of administration you're going to get w/ a Clinton presidency folks. I thought this was the "most transparent administration ever"?
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Gee I can't imagine what they say.

Erm, wait a second, didn't she already produce all her emails?

 
dparker713 said:
It's significantly more likely that they examined the most pertinent documents first - the classified and secret documents. 
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The ones that were not marked as classified until December?  Those are the ones you think they started with last fall?  Just a gut feeling on the FBI's part that they would be deemed classified at a later date?

If anything had been marked as classified - this part of the investigation would have been wrapped up a long time ago...

 
Rick James said:
Surprise, surprise....the State dept is blocking the release of HIllary's TPP emails until after the election. This is the kind of administration you're going to get w/ a Clinton presidency folks. I thought this was the "most transparent administration ever"?
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Another administration whose agencies are slow to respond to their backlog of FOIA requests? Surely this is the most dangerous and morally repugnant choice we could possibly make in the upcoming general election for president of the United States. What could possibly be worse?

 
Donald Trump's campaign Monday demanded that the U.S. State Department release Hillary Clinton-era government emails about a pending 12-nation trade deal that Trump says will destroy American jobs and hurt the American economy.

The statement from Trump's campaign was in response to the State Department delaying the completion of an open-records request by International Business Times until after the 2016 presidential election. That request — which was filed in July 2015 — asked for all correspondence between Clinton's State Department office and the United States Trade Representative during her tenure (2009 to 2013) that referenced the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The State Department initially estimated that it would complete the request in April of this year, but the department just announced it was pushing that completion date back to the end of November.

"Hillary Clinton's TPP emails should absolutely be released, as her support for TPP threatens to permanently undermine U.S. workers and sovereignty," Stephen Miller, senior policy advisor to the GOP's presumptive nominee, said in a statement to IBT. "Hillary is 100 percent controlled by corporate interests, including foreign corporate interests, and it is essential these emails see the light of day." 

This is the kind of thing that will resonate with voters throughout the campaign - lost jobs, and what looks like a cover-up.  Best case scenario for Clinton is that she and the State Department are baiting Trump into making this an issue, before releasing the emails, which will show nothing.  Right now though - the appearance of cover-up will hurt more than anything in the emails.  We already knew she supported the deal as the Gold Standard when she was SOS.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Donald Trump's campaign Monday demanded that the U.S. State Department release Hillary Clinton-era government emails about a pending 12-nation trade deal that Trump says will destroy American jobs and hurt the American economy.

The statement from Trump's campaign was in response to the State Department delaying the completion of an open-records request by International Business Times until after the 2016 presidential election. That request — which was filed in July 2015 — asked for all correspondence between Clinton's State Department office and the United States Trade Representative during her tenure (2009 to 2013) that referenced the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The State Department initially estimated that it would complete the request in April of this year, but the department just announced it was pushing that completion date back to the end of November.

"Hillary Clinton's TPP emails should absolutely be released, as her support for TPP threatens to permanently undermine U.S. workers and sovereignty," Stephen Miller, senior policy advisor to the GOP's presumptive nominee, said in a statement to IBT. "Hillary is 100 percent controlled by corporate interests, including foreign corporate interests, and it is essential these emails see the light of day." 

This is the kind of thing that will resonate with voters throughout the campaign - lost jobs, and what looks like a cover-up.  Best case scenario for Clinton is that she and the State Department are baiting Trump into making this an issue, before releasing the emails, which will show nothing.  Right now though - the appearance of cover-up will hurt more than anything in the emails.  We already knew she supported the deal as the Gold Standard when she was SOS.
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Yes, I'm sure the press and the public will totally set aside the boring "GOP nominee for president is a crazy racist" story currently dominating the news cycle for this "compliance with FOIA request for documents related to trade deal delayed by current administration" blockbuster.

 
Sinn Fein said:
The ones that were not marked as classified until December?  Those are the ones you think they started with last fall?  Just a gut feeling on the FBI's part that they would be deemed classified at a later date?

If anything had been marked as classified - this part of the investigation would have been wrapped up a long time ago...
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Between December and now, I think they just may have reorganized the priority of which correspondence to review.

 
dparker713 said:
Between December and now, I think they just may have reorganized the priority of which correspondence to review.
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Sure - but we were discussing Biden's decision to stay out of the primaries - and whether the White House had sufficient information last fall when Biden made that decision.  My point is the FBI would not have had anything significant to share last fall - if it even decided to share anything at all.  Many of the documents now marked as classified were not marked early last fall.  So, the FBI was less likely to have been narrowed in on those documents at an early stage of the investigation.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Sinn Fein said:
Donald Trump's campaign Monday demanded that the U.S. State Department release Hillary Clinton-era government emails about a pending 12-nation trade deal that Trump says will destroy American jobs and hurt the American economy.

The statement from Trump's campaign was in response to the State Department delaying the completion of an open-records request by International Business Times until after the 2016 presidential election. That request — which was filed in July 2015 — asked for all correspondence between Clinton's State Department office and the United States Trade Representative during her tenure (2009 to 2013) that referenced the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The State Department initially estimated that it would complete the request in April of this year, but the department just announced it was pushing that completion date back to the end of November.

"Hillary Clinton's TPP emails should absolutely be released, as her support for TPP threatens to permanently undermine U.S. workers and sovereignty," Stephen Miller, senior policy advisor to the GOP's presumptive nominee, said in a statement to IBT. "Hillary is 100 percent controlled by corporate interests, including foreign corporate interests, and it is essential these emails see the light of day." 

This is the kind of thing that will resonate with voters throughout the campaign - lost jobs, and what looks like a cover-up.  Best case scenario for Clinton is that she and the State Department are baiting Trump into making this an issue, before releasing the emails, which will show nothing.  Right now though - the appearance of cover-up will hurt more than anything in the emails.  We already knew she supported the deal as the Gold Standard when she was SOS.
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Yes, I'm sure the press and the public will totally set aside the boring "GOP nominee for president is a crazy racist" story currently dominating the news cycle for this "compliance with FOIA request for documents related to trade deal delayed by current administration" blockbuster.
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Don't need to.  Both can be covered.  There's plenty of quality press out there to cover all of it right?  I don't know TF.  This is a press/media that failed to challenge Trump early on with his absurdity and here he is.  Now let's see how they handle the backlog of requests against Hillary.  I suspect they won't really reflect too much on that "story".  They are busy trying to fix their mistakes from early on and are now salivating it sinking the Trump ship.  Of course it comes the expense of working on the Hillary stories.  They don't ever seem to be in the right place at the right time.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Sure - but we were discussing Biden's decision to stay out of the primaries - and whether the White House had sufficient information last fall when Biden made that decision.  My point is the FBI would not have had anything significant to share last fall - if it even decided to share anything at all.  Many of the documents now marked as classified were not marked early last fall.  So, the FBI was less likely to have been narrowed in on those documents at an early stage of the investigation.
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It's not just the Biden decision.  It's the actions of Obama in general.  He's tacitly supported Hillary this entire time and he's eager to campaign for her.  Washington is a company town and there would have been back channel communications - if this was viewed as a serious threat, Obama and the DNC would have taken action.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Donald Trump's campaign Monday demanded that the U.S. State Department release Hillary Clinton-era government emails about a pending 12-nation trade deal that Trump says will destroy American jobs and hurt the American economy.

The statement from Trump's campaign was in response to the State Department delaying the completion of an open-records request by International Business Times until after the 2016 presidential election. That request — which was filed in July 2015 — asked for all correspondence between Clinton's State Department office and the United States Trade Representative during her tenure (2009 to 2013) that referenced the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The State Department initially estimated that it would complete the request in April of this year, but the department just announced it was pushing that completion date back to the end of November.

"Hillary Clinton's TPP emails should absolutely be released, as her support for TPP threatens to permanently undermine U.S. workers and sovereignty," Stephen Miller, senior policy advisor to the GOP's presumptive nominee, said in a statement to IBT. "Hillary is 100 percent controlled by corporate interests, including foreign corporate interests, and it is essential these emails see the light of day." 

This is the kind of thing that will resonate with voters throughout the campaign - lost jobs, and what looks like a cover-up.  Best case scenario for Clinton is that she and the State Department are baiting Trump into making this an issue, before releasing the emails, which will show nothing.  Right now though - the appearance of cover-up will hurt more than anything in the emails.  We already knew she supported the deal as the Gold Standard when she was SOS.
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Yeah, nobody is going to care about this at all. 

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, nobody is going to care about this at all. 
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:lmao:   ok...

Her positions on trade agreements cost her Michigan in the primary.  Trump is going to make it an issue in the general - and for the workers who are displaced, or worried about being displaced - this is a significant issue.

 
Sinn Fein said:
:lmao:   ok...

Her positions on trade agreements cost her Michigan in the primary.  Trump is going to make it an issue in the general - and for the workers who are displaced, or worried about being displaced - this is a significant issue.
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Certainly trade will be an issue. But not these emails. And no way Hillary loses Michigan in the general. 

In any case, I'm beginning to wonder how much any of this is going to matter. Donald Trump is becoming so unacceptable to so much of the public, I question whether or not he'll be able to change any minds even if they agree with him on specific issues. 

 
timschochet said:
Certainly trade will be an issue. But not these emails. And no way Hillary loses Michigan in the general. 

In any case, I'm beginning to wonder how much any of this is going to matter. Donald Trump is becoming so unacceptable to so much of the public, I question whether or not he'll be able to change any minds even if they agree with him on specific issues. 
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It doesn't matter even a little. Honestly, she might win even if she is indicted, which she won't be. I'd love it if it did happen and in swoops Bernie (or really almost anyone else) to the rescue, but we are pretty much guaranteed a Hillary Clinton Presidency at this point. Trump is just suuuuuuch a moron, there's no way he doesn't continue to implode.

 
timschochet said:
Certainly trade will be an issue. But not these emails. And no way Hillary loses Michigan in the general. 

In any case, I'm beginning to wonder how much any of this is going to matter. Donald Trump is becoming so unacceptable to so much of the public, I question whether or not he'll be able to change any minds even if they agree with him on specific issues. 
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It matters in the substantive sense and in the hands of a normal opponent - a Sanders, a Romney - it would matter a lot. Normal election, yeah.

But vs Der Orangendrumpf? The man is too busy arguing about his thick skin, his long lustrous fingers, attacking judges, and giving directives to his surrogates via press conferences. I mean Hillary just challenged him on foreign policy, he killed a weekend talking about the judge and today he was supposed to have a rebuttal, instead he got slammed with news that his campaign is a dumpster fire burning from the inside. This is ridiculous.

 
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"Hillary Clinton's TPP emails should absolutely be released, as her support for TPP threatens to permanently undermine U.S. workers and sovereignty," Stephen Miller, senior policy advisor to the GOP's presumptive nominee, said in a statement to IBT. "
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Why isn't he asking for Obama's emails - you know the guy who was enthusiastically pushing for it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Yes, I'm sure the press and the public will totally set aside the boring "GOP nominee for president is a crazy racist" story currently dominating the news cycle for this "compliance with FOIA request for documents related to trade deal delayed by current administration" blockbuster.
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Why does it have to be either/or?  Why can't Donald suck AND the administration be in the wrong for hiding Hillary's e-mails?

 
timschochet said:
Let me repeat myself. If there was a CHANCE of Hillary's indictment over this, President Obama would have gone to Hillary several months ago, possibly a year ago, and said, "Hillary, I'm being told this is a serious investigation and that there is a chance you committed some crimes here and the FBI may charge you. I have no idea if this is going to happen, and I'm not going to interfere with the process. But if you are our nominee, and you get indicted by the FBI, that will be a disaster for the party and our chances of keeping the White House. So I need you to withdraw from the campaign, right now."

The fact that this conversation never took place tells me there will be no indictment. 
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:lmao:

 
timschochet said:
https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/06/thank-god-we-only-have-two-more-days-of-bernie-sanders/amp/?client=safari#

Just a couple more days...
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That author isn't biased at all...

Repeating right-wing, Trey Gowdy driven attacks on Hillary Clinton for her email server, when national security wasn’t breached, no laws were broken and she’s not running for President of Dunder Mifflin? Check.
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I mean, the debate over whether laws were broken is over.  They were.  How many, and how important may still be in question, but she did break laws and it's not debatable.

 
Rich Conway said:
That author isn't biased at all...

I mean, the debate over whether laws were broken is over.  They were.  How many, and how important may still be in question, but she did break laws and it's not debatable.
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Seems like that article is more stupid than I'd already assumed it was. The author's saying Sanders was attacking HRC over her email thing?

 
timschochet said:
https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/06/thank-god-we-only-have-two-more-days-of-bernie-sanders/amp/?client=safari#

Just a couple more days...
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Campaign of political torture? He's the only candidate in the race who gives a ####.  Walking the walk and trying to move the needle for the people is not political torture, it's political courage.

Way to be excited for a woman who is in the pockets of the people who brought the financial system to it's knees and ruined the futures of countless Americans only 8 years ago to become the nominee.  Really is something to celebrate.

 
About ye olde indictment.... I believe tomorrow Pags has to put up or shut up on the immunity agreement. It was speculated early on if the immunity was qualified or full, and I'm not real sure about this but I think the former means that Pags' own testimony can be used against him but it's not a promise not to prosecute because other evidence can be. Total immunity means no way no how he won't be prosecuted no matter what comes out and that usually means the Feds have total cooperation. I think the latter obviously is more powerful than the former. Maybe Henry or DParker can speak to that, not sure, but at any rate if the agreement is produced we might learn  more about the chances for indictment. 

I also got a weird vibe from Pags' attorneys - from Hillary fans Akin & Gump - claiming the depos were just a political maneuver. That didn't sound very neutral to me. If their goal here is to run interference for Hillary by keeping Pags off the public record or if it turns out Pags only had partial immunity I'm thinking that's a tip towards non-indictment. I'm sure when it's revealed there will be better info.

 
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Willie Neslon said:
Campaign of political torture? He's the only candidate in the race who gives a ####.  Walking the walk and trying to move the needle for the people is not political torture, it's political courage.

Way to be excited for a woman who is in the pockets of the people who brought the financial system to it's knees and ruined the futures of countless Americans only 8 years ago to become the nominee.  Really is something to celebrate.
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Actually my problem with Bernie is that he hasn't been able to walk the walk, hasn't had any major bills to his name in all the years he's served in congress.. And I absolutely believe that the nuts and bolts of his proposals, such as assuming that the GOP will pass a sweeping tax reform, and that our economy will grow by 5% year over year for the duration of his presidency when it hasn't happened in back to back years in our nations history.   With out both a massive growth in our economy and sweeping tax reforms (that would be hard to get 100% of democratic support) his policies are dead in the water. 
 

 
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The presumptive nominee (now called by AP, NBC, and CNN) is about to speak only 15 minutes from me, in Long Beach. Unfortunately I have to take my daughter to dance. 

BUT HILLARY IS ONLY A FEW MILES AWAY!!! Could Huma be there too?  :wub:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
About ye olde indictment.... I believe tomorrow Pags has to put up or shut up on the immunity agreement. It was speculated early on if the immunity was qualified or full, and I'm not real sure about this but I think the former means that Pags' own testimony can be used against him but it's not a promise not to prosecute because other evidence can be. Total immunity means no way no how he won't be prosecuted no matter what comes out and that usually means the Feds have total cooperation. I think the latter obviously is more powerful than the former. Maybe Henry or DParker can speak to that, not sure, but at any rate if the agreement is produced we might learn  more about the chances for indictment. 

I also got a weird vibe from Pags' attorneys - from Hillary fans Akin & Gump - claiming the depos were just a political maneuver. That didn't sound very neutral to me. If their goal here is to run interference for Hillary by keeping Pags off the public record or if it turns out Pags only had partial immunity I'm thinking that's a tip towards non-indictment. I'm sure when it's revealed there will be better info.
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If he's got transactional immunity, he can be compelled to testify.  If he's got use and derivative use immunity, it's forum and state dependent.  Those are the basics.  But absent seeing the agreement itself, it's hard to know more.

 
Wow....how did she suddenly come up with the delegates needed?   CHA CHING!!!!!   The Clinton Foundation funds took a big hit during negotiations this weekend.    :D

 
Hillary's people are very upset about this. They think it will suppress the vote in California. Bernie's people are upset too- claiming this is proof of the system being rigged. 

Nobody's happy (except me!) 

 
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