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timschochet said:
Hillary's people are very upset about this. They think it will suppress the vote in California. Bernie's people are upset too- claiming this is proof of the system being rigged. 

Nobody's happy (except me!) 
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Bernie is not upset about this.. This just feeds the narrative that it's a rigged system and will likely invigorate his voters, while in no way shape or form will it help HRC get votes tomorrow.

 
timschochet said:
Hillary's people are very upset about this. They think it will suppress the vote in California. Bernie's people are upset too- claiming this is proof of the system being rigged. 

Nobody's happy (except me!) 
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I'm guessing the superdelegates were waiting for something - who knows what. It fell into place after PR had its vote. I wonder if this signifies a fear Hillary might lose CA... not sure.

The system is the system, Hillary hiding the nature of the system makes people suspicious of the system. The DNC kept tradional party candidates entirely out of the race to begin with, it's really funny to think of this campaign without Sanders in it, who would have finished second, O'Malley? What a joke. 

 
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And soon to be joining them...

 
timschochet said:
Hillary's people are very upset about this. They think it will suppress the vote in California. Bernie's people are upset too- claiming this is proof of the system being rigged. 

Nobody's happy (except me!) 
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:yawn:

The real cause for celebration is if the Feds decide not to indict.  Long way to go before that cloud clears.  

 
Wow. Really would have assumed that Clinton would have kept the remaining supers on lock down until tomorrow night once she officially wins popular vote and pledged delegates. 

That said, truly tremendous achievement. 

 
Trey said:
Wow. Really would have assumed that Clinton would have kept the remaining supers on lock down until tomorrow night once she officially wins popular vote and pledged delegates. 

That said, truly tremendous achievement. 
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It wasn't her. It was the news media. She had no control over the Supers, despite what some people here think. 

 
cobalt_27 said:
She had the party in her back pocket and couldn't close the deal until June.  Safe to say this was a colossal failure on her part.
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Considering she had the party in her back pocket in 2008 and lost in June, I think it was a pretty big win.  Although I think Obama was an infinitely better candidate than Sanders. 

 
cobalt_27 said:
She had the party in her back pocket and couldn't close the deal until June.  Safe to say this was a colossal failure on her part.
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That's more a tribute to Bernie than anything else. He caught the attention of young people in a way few candidates have in recent years. His movement will be a force for the future. 

 
tone1oc said:
Considering she had the party in her back pocket in 2008 and lost in June, I think it was a pretty big win.  Although I think Obama was an infinitely better candidate than Sanders. 
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Oh, it's not even a question.  Hillary had no business struggling against this guy, not with all the institutional advantages, presumption that she was owed the nomination, this was "her time," etc.  Whenever we decide she clinches, whether it's today, tomorrow, or at the convention, this primary exposed her as a very weak candidate with historically abysmal favorability ratings.  She will win (won) the nomination despite herself.  And, she weakened the (D) party in the process.  This is not a day to celebrate.  She is a dumpster fire.

 
cobalt_27 said:
She had the party in her back pocket and couldn't close the deal until June.  Safe to say this was a colossal failure on her part.
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Thanks Cobalt - that's very kind of you and I appreciate you trying to make me feel better. This is a sad day for democracy. Just leave me to my pain.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Oh, it's not even a question.  Hillary had no business struggling against this guy, not with all the institutional advantages, presumption that she was owed the nomination, this was "her time," etc.  Whenever we decide she clinches, whether it's today, tomorrow, or at the convention, this primary exposed her as a very weak candidate with historically abysmal favorability ratings.  She will win (won) the nomination despite herself.  And, she weakened the (D) party in the process.  This is not a day to celebrate.  She is a dumpster fire.
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Okay, winning the Democratic nomination for president and entering the election as a heavy favorite is losing. 

Bernie was able to coalesce the angry white vote that are a little more educated and younger than Trump's flavor of angry white voters.  If anything Bernie was a failure at locking up more support outside of his core base.

 
timschochet said:
That's more a tribute to Bernie than anything else. He caught the attention of young people in a way few candidates have in recent years. His movement will be a force for the future. 
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No.  That's a cute narrative, but the Bernie phenomenon was born from a #NeverHillary bloc of voters.  He doesn't exist without her.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
:no:

Bernie did a good job of bringing in indies and new voters.
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He did a good job of riling up angry white men, and liberals who identify as independents and that haven't voted before.   That was his base.  He wasn't able to draw support from the latino or black communities, or Obama democrats like me that think the country is going in the right direction and doesn't think the sky is falling.

 
Anyway, the DNC has said repeatedly not to count presumed votes of SDs.  So, until Hillary reaches the threshold necessary, it's premature to suggest she's won anything.

 
I assume none of you felt comfortable calling Obama the D nominee until the convention in 2008 correct? 

 
Trey said:
I assume none of you felt comfortable calling Obama the D nominee until the convention in 2008 correct? 
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July 25.  You'll have your day, assuming Hillary's not indicted.  But, that day isn't today.  It's not tomorrow.  Mathematically, she doesn't earn anything until July 25th at the earIiest.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Anyway, the DNC has said repeatedly not to count presumed votes of SDs.  So, until Hillary reaches the threshold necessary, it's premature to suggest she's won anything.
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Okay, could you present a case to prospective SDs on Sanders behalf that wouldn't completely violate the will of the voter?  No matter how you slice it, he has lost

 
tone1oc said:
Okay, could you present a case to prospective SDs on Sanders behalf that wouldn't completely violate the will of the voter?  No matter how you slice it, he has lost
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Probably.  But, nobody has clinched, and it's not official.  One very good case would be, "The DOJ just indicted Hillary."

Bottom line, she does not have the requisite number of pledged delegates yet...and won't until all delegates make an official vote to get her over the requisite number to win the nomination.  

 
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cobalt_27 said:
Probably.  But, nobody has clinched, and it's not official.  One very good case would be, "The DOJ just indicted Hillary."
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Spoiler: It ain't happening. The longer the email stuff goes on the more the American public will begin to see it as the witch hunt that it is. 
 

Case for Clinton: more votes, more pledged delegates, more pledged delegates if it were a winner take all, more superdelegates, more superdelegates even if they had to vote as their district voted, more states won
Case for Sanders: better rallies

 
tone1oc said:
Spoiler: It ain't happening. The longer the email stuff goes on the more the American public will begin to see it as the witch hunt that it is. 
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The longer this goes, the worse it is for Hillary.  Your analysis also suggests you're confused by how FBI investigations work and the #### they don't give about public opinion.

ETA:. You present a good case for why Hillary might win the nomination.  In late-July.

 
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tone1oc said:
Spoiler: It ain't happening. The longer the email stuff goes on the more the American public will begin to see it as the witch hunt that it is. 
 

Case for Clinton: more votes, more pledged delegates, more pledged delegates if it were a winner take all, more superdelegates, more superdelegates even if they had to vote as their district voted, more states won
Case for Sanders: better rallies
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It's been going on for well over a year now and it's only gaining steam.  And this "witch hunt" was started by progressive outlets, not the VRC Hillary supporters are so fond of throwing out there.

 
@Cobalt 27 I went and checked out the Obama 2008 thread and I just couldn't find the part where you were warning everyone that Obama is not the nominee until the convention. 

I did see the delegate countdown including supers provided by @adonis (side note where the hell did this guy go?) And lots of dancing pickles from various board members after Montana and south Dakota voted and Obama clinched though. 

 
Trey said:
@Cobalt 27 I went and checked out the Obama 2008 thread and I just couldn't find the part where you were warning everyone that Obama is not the nominee until the convention. 

I did see the delegate countdown including supers provided by @adonis (side note where the hell did this guy go?) And lots of dancing pickles from various board members after Montana and south Dakota voted and Obama clinched though. 
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And therefore...?

It doesn't matter what I root for or against.  The DNC's own rules indicate nothing will be official--or clinched--tonight or tomorrow.

 
MaxThreshold said:
It's been going on for well over a year now and it's only gaining steam.  And this "witch hunt" was started by progressive outlets, not the VRC Hillary supporters are so fond of throwing out there.
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It's been going on for over a year and what do we have?  A convoluted quagmire that has cost taxpayers millions, that will do nothing to promote the United States interest or net a criminal case.  

Definition of a witch hunt IMO

 
tone1oc said:
It's been going on for over a year and what do we have?  A convoluted quagmire that has cost taxpayers millions, that will do nothing to promote the United States interest or net a criminal case.  

Definition of a witch hunt IMO
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Wow.  You didn't read the OIG report, nor have you read the FBI findings.  Patience, grasshopper. 

 
tone1oc said:
It's been going on for over a year and what do we have?  A convoluted quagmire that has cost taxpayers millions, that will do nothing to promote the United States interest or net a criminal case.  

Definition of a witch hunt IMO
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Uhm...no.  Convoluted in your eyes because you're an HRC supporter - but that's to be expected of her sycophants.  However, The State Dept. IG report was very clear that HRC broke the law - there is no dispute about that.  The debate is literally over on that issue.  Now it's just a matter of the FBI weighing in.

 
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