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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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SaintsInDome2006 said:
What is TS/SCI is relevant to the national defense and vice versa. You have a determination by the security officers that it is, so it is.
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This is wrong.  Read the executive order.  It isn't all that confusing.  These "security officers" only have the ability to classify information because it has been delegated to them by the agency head  (or from a senior official who was delegated authority by the agency head).  They don't have any authority on their own.  And their judgment doesn't drumpf that of the agency head.   Exceptions to this are the very few items specifically mentioned in laws (such as the atomic energy act) or (hint, hint) things in various forms of international agreements. 

Sec. 1.3.  Classification Authority.  (a)  The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:(1)  the President and the Vice President;(2)  agency heads and officials designated by the President; and(3)  United States Government officials delegated this authority pursuant to paragraph (c) of this section.(b)  Officials authorized to classify information at a specified level are also authorized to classify information at a lower level.(c)  Delegation of original classification authority.(1)  Delegations of original classification authority shall be limited to the minimum required to administer this order.  Agency heads are responsible for ensuring that designated subordinate officials have a demonstrable and continuing need to exercise this authority.(2)  "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section.(3)  "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section, or the senior agency official designated  under section 5.4(d) of this order, provided that official has been delegated "Top Secret" original classification authority by the agency head.(4)  Each delegation of original classification authority shall be in writing and the authority shall not be redelegated except as provided in this order.  Each delegation shall identify the official by name or position.(5)  Delegations of original classification authority shall be reported or made available by name or position to the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office.(d)  All original classification authorities must receive training in proper classification (including the avoidance of over-classification) and declassification as provided in this order and its implementing directives at least once a calendar year.  Such training must include instruction on the proper safeguarding of classified information and on the sanctions in section 5.5 of this order that may be brought against an individual who fails to classify information properly or protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure.  Original classification authorities who do not receive such mandatory training at least once within a calendar year shall have their classification authority suspended by the agency head or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4(d) of this order until such training has taken place.  A waiver may be granted by the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official if an individual is unable to receive such training due to unavoidable circumstances.  Whenever a waiver is granted, the individual shall receive such training as soon as practicable.(e)  Exceptional cases.  When an employee, government contractor, licensee, certificate holder, or grantee of an agency who does not have original classification authority originates information believed by that person to require classification, the information shall be protected in a manner consistent with this order and its implementing directives.  The information shall be transmitted promptly as provided under this order or its implementing directives to the agency that has appropriate subject matter interest and classification authority with respect to this information.  That agency shall decide within 30 days whether to classify this information.
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MaxThreshold said:
Wait...is squiz really responding back and forth with his tone1oco alias?  WTF?
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If you really believe that, use the report button, Max and let the mods know. It would be a violation of the TOS (see pinned thread near the top of the first page) for me to use the Tone alias (and also to troll a thread conversing with yourself too, I would imagine).

 
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squistion said:
If we are the same person, use the report button and let the mods know. We will be permanently banned like LHUCKS or johnjohn. If not, then shut the hell up. I am getting really tired of these accusations started by Willie Neslon who says the alias of me being Tone has been confirmed but offers no proof of who confirmed it, when it was confirmed, or how.
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It was confirmed by multiple mods in the test forum, they seem to not want to ban you but I wouldn't press your luck.

 
squistion said:
If you really believe that, use the report button, Max and let the mods know. It is a violation of the TOS (see pinned thread near the top of the first page) to use an alias (and also to troll a thread conversing with yourself too, I would imagine).
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Some people don't like squealing on others. Code of the boards & all…..

 
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
These "security officers" only have the ability to classify information because it has been delegated to them by the agency head  (or from a senior official who was delegated authority by the agency head).
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Great, so they have that authority which is delegated to them. For the material from State Kerry and Obama can rescind the classifications. For the material from IC the agency head or Obama. So until that happens it has full force and effect. Heck even when Clinton let Deutch off the hook he granted him clemency, he didn't declassify the documents.

 
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HellToupee said:
Some people don't like squealing on others. Code of the boards & all…..
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Code of the boards. :lol:

Go ahead and squeal if you or anybody else has some actual proof. Post it for everyone in the forum to see, ISP addresses and all. If Tone and I are the same person, let everybody know the details, I would be more curious than anyone what you would come up with.

Just imagine, you can get me banned for using the Tone alias and then you can post to your heart's content in your Men's Underwear Thread (not that there is anything wrong with that) and no one will make fun of you.

 
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squistion said:
Just imagine, you can get me banned for using an alias and then you can post to your heart's content in your Men's Underwear Thread (not that there is anything wrong with that) and no one will make fun of you.
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Some veiled gay innuendo. I'm not gay and there is nothing wrong if I was or anybody that is gay. Your type of homophobia has mostly died out , thank goodness 

 
squistion said:
If you really believe that, use the report button, Max and let the mods know. It is a violation of the TOS (see pinned thread near the top of the first page) to use an alias (and also to troll a thread conversing with yourself too, I would imagine).
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Unlike you, I'm not a whiny ##### about aliases and don't lose my #### about them.  I could care less.  I just thought it was funny you were responding back and forth with yourself, thinking no one knew that except you.

Carry on.  You have my blessing. :thumbup:

 
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Baloney Sandwich said:
It was confirmed by multiple mods in the test forum, they seem to not want to ban you but I wouldn't press your luck.
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Still waiting for a link on this and am amused wondering as to what you could actually come up with.

"Please proceed, Governor".

 
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squistion said:
Just imagine, you can get me banned for using the Tone alias and then you can post to your heart's content in your Men's Underwear Thread (not that there is anything wrong with that) and no one will make fun of you.
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I'd expect this sort of nonsense from Eminence. 

 
squistion said:
Still waiting for a link on this. 

I am willing to press my luck, obviously you aren't.
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How exactly would you press your luck?

No one is reporting you for having an alias in Tone.  You're fine.  Let it go, and we'll embrace both of you when you decide 'Tone' is returning from his European vacation.

 
cobalt_27 said:
How exactly would you press your luck?

No one is reporting you for having an alias in Tone.  You're fine.  Let it go, and we'll embrace both of you when you decide 'Tone' is returning from his European vacation.
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Well duh. If I keep demanding they prove Tone is my alias, maybe someone will call my bluff and this would get me permanently banned if it were true. It is a violation of the rules here, see the pinned thread near the top of the first page.

Report Tone and I to the mods if we are the same person. If not then go on to something else (I would suggest Hell Toupee's Men's Underwear thread, but he says it is homophobic for me to even mention it).

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Links to the test forum are only available to folks that have been giving access to the test forum.
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How convenient for you. :lol:

The first rule of the test forum is that you don't provide links to the test forum, so you can make up whatever crap you want and claim it came from there.

 
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So Chelsea Clnton is not Bill's daughter?  She calls Web Hubble dad?

If this blog piece I just read is any indication, the next 4 months are going to be an absolute slime fest.

 
cobalt_27 said:
So Chelsea Clnton is not Bill's daughter?  She calls Web Hubble dad?

If this blog piece I just read is any indication, the next 4 months are going to be an absolute slime fest.
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You hardly needed to read a blog piece to know that. The Clintons are known for slinging mud like nobody else and Trump lacks the capacity to do anything but play in the muck. It's going to be an entertaining train wreck until we realize one of them actually has to win.

 
AnonymousBob said:
You hardly needed to read a blog piece to know that. The Clintons are known for slinging mud like nobody else and Trump lacks the capacity to do anything but play in the muck. It's going to be an entertaining train wreck until we realize one of them actually has to win.
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LOL.  I love how when a ridiculous rumor is floated about the Clintons, your first instinct is to mention that "the Clintons are known for slinging mud like no other".

 
Hillary needs to find a minor politician by the name of Lewinsky to name as VP

I could get behind a Clinton/Lewinsky ticket.

 
Henry Ford said:
Life expectancy isn't going up for all groups, and it certainly isnt continually going up anymore. White women generally and working class white people are dropping as recently as this year, and average was dropping a few years ago.

And yes, our education system is currently blowing goats.
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Life expectancy not going up for all groups doesn't change the fact that it is still going up overall, consistently, as of 2014.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/us-life-expectancy-hits-record-high/16874039/

I didn't see any data for this year.   

 
Here's an updated look at the discrepancy of the exit polls compared to actual results.  Unbelievable.  She really does belong in jail.

In short, she outperformed exit polls in 24/26 of the state caucuses.  That's like winning 24/26 coin flips which is about 1/77 billion according to the person who put the graph together.  11 were outside the margin of error. The Republicans had none outside the margin of error.  This evidence shows she committed election fraud.  

I would really enjoy Tim trying to address this one.  My guess is that he will ignore it just like when I posted similar stats a month or so ago.

 
chet said:
Here's an updated look at the discrepancy of the exit polls compared to actual results.  Unbelievable.  She really does belong in jail.

In short, she outperformed exit polls in 24/26 of the state caucuses.  That's like winning 24/26 coin flips which is about 1/77 billion according to the person who put the graph together.  11 were outside the margin of error. The Republicans had none outside the margin of error.  This evidence shows she committed election fraud.  

I would really enjoy Tim trying to address this one.  My guess is that he will ignore it just like when I posted similar stats a month or so ago.
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What is there to address? Except- where did that chart come from, and do you have a link to any actual statistics from reputable sources that back it up? 

 
timschochet said:
What is there to address? Except- where did that chart come from, and do you have a link to any actual statistics from reputable sources that back it up? 
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Here's a video talking about a lawsuit being filed against the media who they claim are complicit in covering up election fraud. I got the chart from Reddit. 

 
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jon_mx said:
I am not going to defend the election fraud claim, because it does seem weak, but your idea if completely debunked usually consists of finding one source who agrees with you.  
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There are lots of sources out there saying the same thing. I just grabbed the first one I saw. 

 
timschochet said:
Turns out Chet is repeating a theory here about exit polls that is totally baseless and has been completely debunked several times: 

http://www.thenation.com/article/reminder-exit-poll-conspiracy-theories-are-totally-baseless/
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Did you read the article?  It doesn't address the question and frankly, is also misleading.

Let's assume that the article is correct and exit polls are useless. If so, you'd expect Bernie to outperform in 13/26 and Hillary to outperform in 13/26 because it's random.  Right?  She outperformed in 24/26 primaries compared to the exit polls.  Again, I didn't do the math on this one but winning 24/26 coin flips is 1/77 billion according to the chart I posted. 

ETA: the author of the article that Tim cites above cannot in any way be considered objective.  He's a huge Hillary supporter just based on the articles he's written in the last few months.  

 
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chet said:
Here's an updated look at the discrepancy of the exit polls compared to actual results.  Unbelievable.  She really does belong in jail.

In short, she outperformed exit polls in 24/26 of the state caucuses.  That's like winning 24/26 coin flips which is about 1/77 billion according to the person who put the graph together.  11 were outside the margin of error. The Republicans had none outside the margin of error.  This evidence shows she committed election fraud.  

I would really enjoy Tim trying to address this one.  My guess is that he will ignore it just like when I posted similar stats a month or so ago.
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Maybe people aren't proud of voting for Hillary and told the pollsters they voted Bernie.

Or it could be a massive conspiracy.

 
chet said:
Did you read the article?  It doesn't address the question and frankly, is also misleading.

Let's assume that the article is correct and exit polls are useless. If so, you'd expect Bernie to outperform in 13/26 and Hillary to outperform in 13/26 because it's random.  Right?  She outperformed in 24/26 primaries compared to the exit polls.  Again, I didn't do the math on this one but winning 24/26 coin flips is 1/77 billion according to the chart I posted. 

ETA: the author of the article that Tim cites above cannot in any way be considered objective.  He's a huge Hillary supporter just based on the articles he's written in the last few months.  
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While that would be the most probable outcome if this were indeed a coin flip as opposed to systemic bias in the polling, I'd take the field every day.

 
timschochet said:
Bernie was supposed to send a letter this morning to the Superdelegates asking them to change their support to him. His campaign has been promising to do this for a few weeks. 

The letter was never sent. 
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He's old. It's probably an actual letter sitting in the post office with last years stamp.

 
chet said:
Did you read the article?  It doesn't address the question and frankly, is also misleading.

Let's assume that the article is correct and exit polls are useless. If so, you'd expect Bernie to outperform in 13/26 and Hillary to outperform in 13/26 because it's random.  Right?  She outperformed in 24/26 primaries compared to the exit polls.  Again, I didn't do the math on this one but winning 24/26 coin flips is 1/77 billion according to the chart I posted. 

ETA: the author of the article that Tim cites above cannot in any way be considered objective.  He's a huge Hillary supporter just based on the articles he's written in the last few months.  
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This is like one of those puzzles where you're supposed to find all the mistakes, like the tire on a car is a pizza. Your assumption, expectation and math are all wrong.

The article doesn't claim exit polls are useless - they have limited use and the author explains what they are (e.g. trends for talking heads such as "more black voters turned out than expected"). I wouldn't expect an even outcome of outperforming exit polls because it's not random. It's not coin tosses, it's supporters of candidates, and the candidates are the same across different states. So if Hillary supporters tend not to participate in exit polls, I'm not all that surprised if that trend continues across different states.

The one thing you said that's true: "I didn't do the math"

I did do the math on Wolfram Alpha and the odds of 26 coin tosses coming out with 24 heads and 2 tails is

4.84288 X 10(power of -6) or 1 in 206,489.

Not quite 1 in 77,000,000,000 

 
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chet said:
Here's a video talking about a lawsuit being filed against the media who they claim are complicit in covering up election fraud. I got the chart from Reddit. 
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I really don't have a problem any time anyone demands information from public officials or government, I don't think their delicate sensibilities are so precious they can't be allowed to be offended but I don't see the point in suing the media for exit poll data. There are laws in every state for examining ballot methods and machinery, if there is fraud at the polls that is what should be checked. I don't even particularly care if the charge or suspicion is wrong, citizens of all stripes have a right to examine the machines, data and records wherever they exist. However if the media is using research groups which are using poor methodology... so what and what can be done about that?

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
This is like one of those puzzles where you're supposed to find all the mistakes, like the tire on a car is a pizza. Your assumption, expectation and math are all wrong.

The article doesn't claim exit polls are useless - they have limited use and the author explains what they are (e.g. trends for talking heads such as "more black voters turned out than expected"). I wouldn't expect an even outcome of outperforming exit polls because it's not random. It's not coin tosses, it's supporters of candidates, and the candidates are the same across different states. So if Hillary supporters tend not to participate in exit polls, I'm not all that surprised if that trend continues across different states.

The one thing you said that's true: "I didn't do the math"

I did do the math on Wolfram Alpha and the odds of 26 coin tosses coming out with 24 heads and 2 tails is

4.84288 X 10(power of -6) or 1 in 206,489.

Not quite 1 in 77,000,000,000 
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This is a well thought out post.  

 
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