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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (22 Viewers)

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dparker713 said:
The Senate wouldn't have the emails.  The investigators would have the emails.
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Supposedly the intelligence committee ha. For instance Diane Feinstein has commented on the content previously. The FBI & the US Attorneys are not leaking IMO. I do believe some higher up in the DOJ have. I also don't think Senators or the DOJ actually have to see the emails if they have been briefed.

 
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 

 
timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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Several of us have answered you....to recap my responses:

1  It doesn't matter who her VP choice is.  It can only help.

2.  Obama's campaigning for her can only help.  Some will argue it's necessary.

These aren't the thought provoking questions you think they are.  They are pretty cut/dry.

 
timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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Really??  Just searched Google News for Hillary.  About 25 stories on page 1, not even a single story concerning her VP pick.  One story about Obama campaigning for her.  Eight stories on the latest in the email controversy.  Jesse Jackson endorsement did make the cut.  

 
jon_mx said:
Really??  Just searched Google News for Hillary.  About 25 stories on page 1, not even a single story concerning her VP pick.  One story about Obama campaigning for her.  Eight stories on the latest in the email controversy.  Jesse Jackson endorsement did make the cut.  




 




 
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And that's with pro-Hillary rigging by Google in effect!

 
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timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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:lmao:

What news, exactly, has been reported regarding her VP pick, Tim?  What news is there about Obama's effect on the campaign trail?

And, you are trying to change the subject to what you want to discuss.  It's not like you are being falsely accused here.  Perhaps, the opinions and relevance of the issues you want on the table are dwarfed by corruption stuff.  It s an exaggeration of the highest order to suggest that everyone else out in the real world is immersed in the issues you want to discuss.  Perhaps it is the "news" you want to watch that is creating this impression.

 
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timschochet said:
But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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Some of the posts have been about the chapters of her book she deleted to try and hide her changing position on TPP for the sake political expediency. You can't really count that with her corruption or her FBI investigation. I'd say that's really about her lack of standing for anything. And a few about her, um, donut hole. A pretty broad spectrum of posts imo. There's just so much to dislike about this candidate.

 
Tim must have MSNBC in all day with maybe an occasional flip to CNN.  Tim comes up with the most amazingly slanted generalizations.  

 
timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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We're not the mainstream media.

 
jon_mx said:
Tim must have MSNBC in all day with maybe an occasional flip to CNN.  Tim comes up with the most amazingly slanted generalizations.  
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I just checked MSNBC, their top ten stories: 1 about Liz Warren, 1 about a singer who was shot, 1 about Ali's funeral, and SEVEN stories about Trump.

ZERO stories directly about Hillary  :lmao:

 
What happens when you put Hillary in charge of foreign affairs.

The State Department is warning U.S. citizens against traveling to Libya and recommending that any Americans currently in the country depart immediately as chaos and terror threats worsen in the region.
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“The security situation in Libya remains unpredictable and unstable, and extremist groups continue to plan terrorist attacks against U.S. interests. If in Libya, make contingency emergency plans and maintain security awareness at all times,” the State Department wrote in a travel warning issued Thursday, which supersedes a previous warning issued last September.
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Squizz probably already posted this since it was on twitter, but Jill Stein stirring the pot a bit....

Dr. Jill SteinVerified account‏@DrJillStein

Interesting: Bernie would start at 18% in a 4-way race vs. Clinton, Trump & Johnson. Enough to get in the debates.

 
timschochet said:
One of the worst moments of the Clinton Administration. Sending that kid back to Cuba was terrible, against everything we stand for. Just awful. I hated Bill Clinton back then, and I still resent him terribly for this. 
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Taking Elian Gonzales from his kidnappers and returning him to his custodial parent was one of the best things the Clinton administration ever did.

Pretty much every liberal and most non-crazy conservatives agreed with the decision then and still agree with it now.

 
timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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The VP choice and the list of other Democrats that will campaign for her are boring topics.  She's going to crush Trump.  The difference between 305 and 332 electoral votes isn't very interesting.

Whether or not she gets indicted is interesting.  That changes everything.

 
[scooter] said:
Taking Elian Gonzales from his kidnappers and returning him to his custodial parent was one of the best things the Clinton administration ever did.

Pretty much every liberal and most non-crazy conservatives agreed with the decision then and still agree with it now.
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Exactly.

 
[scooter] said:
Taking Elian Gonzales from his kidnappers and returning him to his custodial parent was one of the best things the Clinton administration ever did.

Pretty much every liberal and most non-crazy conservatives agreed with the decision then and still agree with it now.
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I'm aware of that. I disagreed then, and still do now. Cuba was a communist state. Elian Gonzales' mother died attempting to escape that state. The analogy I used back then was a slave escaping from the south to Boston, only to have the President return him to slavery (which actually happened a few times.) 

But I knew that I was in the minority, and I often am regarding immigration issues. Which is one reason I find Cobalt's charge of "confirmation bias" so amusing. I am very much aware when the public doesn't agree with me (and it's a whole lot of the time!) 

 
Rich Conway said:
The VP choice and the list of other Democrats that will campaign for her are boring topics.  She's going to crush Trump.  The difference between 305 and 332 electoral votes isn't very interesting.

Whether or not she gets indicted is interesting.  That changes everything.
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Obviously I hope you're right regarding the bolded, but I'm certainly not convinced of it. 

Whether or not she gets indicted is not interesting. It's a fantasy, a rather boring one at that. 

 
timschochet said:
I'm aware of that. I disagreed then, and still do now. Cuba was a communist state. Elian Gonzales' mother died attempting to escape that state. The analogy I used back then was a slave escaping from the south to Boston, only to have the President return him to slavery (which actually happened a few times.) 

But I knew that I was in the minority, and I often am regarding immigration issues. Which is one reason I find Cobalt's charge of "confirmation bias" so amusing. I am very much aware when the public doesn't agree with me (and it's a whole lot of the time!) 
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You can hold a minority view and still be sucked in by confirmation bias.  HTH

 
timschochet said:
The analogy I used back then was a slave escaping from the south to Boston, only to have the President return him to slavery (which actually happened a few times.) 
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Did you ever once consider that the slave's father might want the boy to be returned to him? Who the hell are you to decide that it's more important for a child to live in your society than to live with his parents? You realize that you're basically using the same argument that ACTUAL SLAVE TRADERS used, right? "Hey, better to live as a slave in America than to live in the dangerous jungles of Africa. We're doing him a favor!"

 
[scooter] said:
Did you ever once consider that the slave's father might want the boy to be returned to him? Who the hell are you to decide that it's more important for a child to live in your society than to live with his parents? You realize that you're basically using the same argument that ACTUAL SLAVE TRADERS used, right? "Hey, better to live as a slave in America than to live in the dangerous jungles of Africa. We're doing him a favor!"
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No, that's not the proper analogy. The proper analogy is: mother and son flee Virginia plantation, head to Boston; mother dies on the way. The plantation owner arrives in Boston with an affidavit from the boy's father, who is a slave. The affidavit says the father is happy to be a slave and wants his son back with him to work on the plantation. The government agrees. 

 
timschochet said:
No, that's not the proper analogy. The proper analogy is: mother and son flee Virginia plantation, head to Boston; mother dies on the way. The plantation owner arrives in Boston with an affidavit from the boy's father, who is a slave. The affidavit says the father is happy to be a slave and wants his son back with him to work on the plantation. The government agrees. 
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Democratic government always sent the slaves back. HTH.

 
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timschochet said:
No, that's not the proper analogy. The proper analogy is: mother and son flee Virginia plantation, head to Boston; mother dies on the way. The plantation owner arrives in Boston with an affidavit from the boy's father, who is a slave. The affidavit says the father is happy to be a slave and wants his son back with him to work on the plantation. The government agrees. 
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Probably he biggest problem in finding a good analogy is that this was a situation that didn't need an analogy. The father had a right to his child.

If you're wife took your child to another country and died doing so, you'd expect to be able to get your child back.

 
timschochet said:
Obviously I hope you're right regarding the bolded, but I'm certainly not convinced of it. 

Whether or not she gets indicted is not interesting. It's a fantasy, a rather boring one at that. 
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When there is an 18-month FBI Criminal Investigation, the possibility of an indictment is far more than a fantasy.  But keep up the ridiculous spin.  You have to keep practicing your dishonesty to be a true Hillary supporter. 

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
Probably he biggest problem in finding a good analogy is that this was a situation that didn't need an analogy. The father had a right to his child.

If you're wife took your child to another country and died doing so, you'd expect to be able to get your child back.
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I know many families in places like Vietnam who risked their lives and separation from their children for freedom.  The father had the right to his child, but did not have the freedom to express his true desires.  Personally, I would have wanted freedom for my child, but it would mean death to even try to express that  

 
jon_mx said:
timschochet said:
Never fails. All day long the news surrounding Hillary Clinton has been about her impending VP choices and the effect Obama will have campaigning with her. I have tried to raise those issues here and been accused of "trying to change the subject", even though it IS the subject(s) everyone outside this thread is discussing. 

But within the confines of the FFA, as usual, 19 out of 20 posts are devoted to Hillary's corruption and her impending doom at the hands of the FBI. 
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Really??  Just searched Google News for Hillary.  About 25 stories on page 1, not even a single story concerning her VP pick.  One story about Obama campaigning for her.  Eight stories on the latest in the email controversy.  Jesse Jackson endorsement did make the cut.  
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Not THAT news :kicksrock:  

 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
New poll - 57% of Americans think Hillary put national security at risk, 27% believe her, 60% think she is lying.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-voters-think-clinton-lied-about-emails-still-favor-her-over-trump/
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42-39, still too close. But the poll was taken June 5-7. I think we need a week after Bernie quits next week before we see a unification of the Dems. 

I hope so anyhow. 
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What does unification of the party have to do with the quote you replied to?  What you replied to is a poll about how the American people view this email fiasco, not the state of the party and whether it's unified or not.  How does Bernie's being in the race have anything to do with how people view her actions regarding the email fiasco?

 
The Commish said:
What does unification of the party have to do with the quote you replied to?  What you replied to is a poll about how the American people view this email fiasco, not the state of the party and whether it's unified or not.  How does Bernie's being in the race have anything to do with how people view her actions regarding the email fiasco?
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He ignores anything that doesn't fit his narrative.

 
The Commish said:
What does unification of the party have to do with the quote you replied to?  What you replied to is a poll about how the American people view this email fiasco, not the state of the party and whether it's unified or not.  How does Bernie's being in the race have anything to do with how people view her actions regarding the email fiasco?
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People will vote for her even though they think she's lying about the emails.

 
The Commish said:
What does unification of the party have to do with the quote you replied to?  What you replied to is a poll about how the American people view this email fiasco, not the state of the party and whether it's unified or not.  How does Bernie's being in the race have anything to do with how people view her actions regarding the email fiasco?
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I read the article and the part that I found most interesting (and disturbing) was the 42-39 poll. So that's the part I responded to. 

 
timschochet said:
I read the article and the part that I found most interesting (and disturbing) was the 42-39 poll. So that's the part I responded to. 
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You can tie it in. Probably a good time to acknowledge the email issue has hurt Hillary and a normal, trustable, likeable candidate would be killing Trump right now.

 
Things like the Orlando shooting can be a reason why its bad for Hillary to tie herself to Obama.  If Obama comes out and comments about how our gun control laws aren't strong enough, and then Hillary is tied to those comments, and then Trump eviscerates Obama and Hillary for it and says it shows they aren't strong enough to lead.  Then the public sides with Trump on the issue and the polls turn in favor of Trump.

If Obama isn't close to Hillary, none of that happens.

 
Riversco said:
Things like the Orlando shooting can be a reason why its bad for Hillary to tie herself to Obama.  If Obama comes out and comments about how our gun control laws aren't strong enough, and then Hillary is tied to those comments, and then Trump eviscerates Obama and Hillary for it and says it shows they aren't strong enough to lead.  Then the public sides with Trump on the issue and the polls turn in favor of Trump.

If Obama isn't close to Hillary, none of that happens.
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Except that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws.  Other than that your post makes perfect sense.

 
wdcrob said:
Except that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws.  Other than that your post makes perfect sense.
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That really has nothing to do with the public reaction to the shooting (or to the public's reaction to Trump's comments about the shooting).  

Keep in mind that Trump has proven to be immune to attacks.  In fact, he might be able to start turning public opinion in favor of himself when he confronts these issues.  So a poll from the past about what WAS is not relevant here.  The political world can denounce Trump for comments on Orlando, but every time that happens, Trump's numbers rise.  

 
Riversco said:
That really has nothing to do with the public reaction to the shooting (or to the public's reaction to Trump's comments about the shooting).  

Keep in mind that Trump has proven to be immune to attacks.  In fact, he might be able to start turning public opinion in favor of himself when he confronts these issues.  So a poll from the past about what WAS is not relevant here.  The political world can denounce Trump for comments on Orlando, but every time that happens, Trump's numbers rise.  
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All of Trump's "immunities from attacks" have thus far only applied to Republicans. The theory, which has yet to be tested, is that he won't be so immune when it comes to the American public as a whole. We will see if this is true or not. 

 
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