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wdcrob said:
Except that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws.  Other than that your post makes perfect sense.
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Right. This is what drives me batty about this issue. Even the majority of gun-owners favor more regulation, it's an extremely vocal and well organized minority that has created a false narrative that the only option is to do nothing or make guns even more pervasive. It's not even an issue of whether guns/arms should be regulated or not. You see very few people arguing that fully-automatic weapons should be broadly available, for instance, and only a fool would suggest citizens have access to more explicitly Military grade hardware. The actual debate should be around what constitutes a reasonable level of personal arms for legitimate sporting and self defense needs, and how access to those arms is regulated. 

 
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The Commish said:
What does unification of the party have to do with the quote you replied to?  What you replied to is a poll about how the American people view this email fiasco, not the state of the party and whether it's unified or not.  How does Bernie's being in the race have anything to do with how people view her actions regarding the email fiasco?
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I read the article and the part that I found most interesting (and disturbing) was the 42-39 poll. So that's the part I responded to. 
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Did you not see the part where they are in the 40s when it comes to favorability?  Reality is, a rock would be decimating Trump right now.  That has very little to do with Bernie.

 
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Arsenal of Doom said:
Right. This is what drives me batty about this issue. Even the majority of gun-owners favor more regulation, it's an extremely vocal and well organized minority that has created a false narrative that the only option is to do nothing or make guns even more pervasive. It's not even an issue of whether guns/arms should be regulated or not. You see very few people arguing that fully-automatic weapons should be broadly available, for instance, and only a fool would suggest citizens have access to more explicitly Military grade hardware. The actual debate should be around what constitutes a reasonable level of personal arms for legitimate sporting and self defense needs, and how access to those arms is regulated. 
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The "only a fool" part is what gets the pro gun control crowd into trouble here.  That belies an arrogance that Trump has used to his advantage time and again.  Democrats have come out strongly against things Trump has said and it backfires every time.  And when I see comments like "only a fool" I begin to think the left hasn't learned their lesson yet.

 
When the left stops treating Trump with irrelevant mockery and starts truly taking him seriously, that's when I think Trump's rise might have peaked.  

 
Riversco said:
The "only a fool" part is what gets the pro gun control crowd into trouble here.  That belies an arrogance that Trump has used to his advantage time and again.  Democrats have come out strongly against things Trump has said and it backfires every time.  And when I see comments like "only a fool" I begin to think the left hasn't learned their lesson yet.
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I would say a Democrat who wants the general population to have access to Military arms is a fool, there is no party affiliation needed or implied in that statement.  

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
I would say a Democrat who wants the general population to have access to Military arms is a fool, there is no party affiliation needed or implied in that statement.  
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I'm just saying we're caught in this political cycle:

1.  Trump says something bold.

2. The democrats dismiss him as an idiot

3.  Trump rises in the polls.

Its happened enough times that I don't think it ends until the democrats start taking Trump seriously or Trump becomes president.

 
Right now, you have all of Trump's supporters and even people on the fence who expect the media to heavily criticize Trump for WHATEVER he says about Orlando.  They think its coming. And if it does, it will galvanize his support even more.  The democrats have to stop doing that because there's a pretty good chance it will get him elected.  They are creating him.

 
Riversco said:
Right now, you have all of Trump's supporters and even people on the fence who expect the media to heavily criticize Trump for WHATEVER he says about Orlando.  They think its coming. And if it does, it will galvanize his support even more.  The democrats have to stop doing that because there's a pretty good chance it will get him elected.  They are creating him.
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squistion said:
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How else do you explain how everyone, even in the GOP, and even politicians overseas, came out and attacked Trump for some comment earlier in the campaign.  And his numbers went HIGHER.  They talked about banning him from the UK or something.  That's a stupid political tactic.  Trump sees that and Trump is very smart.  He knows that works.  So he wants to be criticized over Orlando because he KNOWS that will propel him higher in the polls.

 
Riversco said:
I'm just saying we're caught in this political cycle:

1.  Trump says something bold.

2. The democrats dismiss him as an idiot

3.  Trump rises in the polls.

Its happened enough times that I don't think it ends until the democrats start taking Trump seriously or Trump becomes president.
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I don't disagree that he needs to be taken seriously, though that shouldn't preclude calling out his outrageous behavior or using humor/satire which is one of the oldest and most effective political weapons available. 

I'm not sure the polls really reflect what you are saying here either. Trump has't polled above 44% against Clinton H2H and has only touched that level a couple of times since Sept last year. He's also nosediving after the drubbing of the last couple of weeks. His peaks have appeared to be fueled more by rallying of Republican support than anything the Dems have or haven't done. 

 
Riversco said:
How else do you explain how everyone, even in the GOP, and even politicians overseas, came out and attacked Trump for some comment earlier in the campaign.  And his numbers went HIGHER.  They talked about banning him from the UK or something.  That's a stupid political tactic.  Trump sees that and Trump is very smart.  He knows that works.  So he wants to be criticized over Orlando because he KNOWS that will propel him higher in the polls.
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Let's see how the polls in the next few weeks play out in the aftermath of this tragedy, particularly with the reaction/response among prominent Republicans to Trump's remarks. The overall GOP response was unfavorable towards his comments on Curiel. The tide may be turning.

 
Hillary could turn the tables on Trump right now by proposing that anyone whom the FBI has flagged as a possible or suspected terrorist be prohibited from purchasing firearms. The NRA is opposed to this. 

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
I don't disagree that he needs to be taken seriously, though that shouldn't preclude calling out his outrageous behavior or using humor/satire which is one of the oldest and most effective political weapons available. 
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Unfortunately, they are going to have to stop calling out his behavior because they've gone to that well with EVERY republican politician for years and years.  Their attacks on Bush, Palin, and the House GOP have had the effect of inoculating Trump from all of it.  Voters are increasingly viewing it as a political trick and not serious criticism.  They have to completely stop now.  Or Trump will win.

Go to the well too many times and it stops working.  They've obviously reached that point with Trump.  They can no longer call out his outrageous behavior.  Its off the table now.  Even if you think its legit, it cannot be done.  They've created the monster.

 
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Maybe its just that they think its still 2008 or a "generals fighting the last war" thing but the democrats are kinda running the worst campaign imaginable here.  They don't understand the new political reality.

 
bananafish said:
He might get a bump from this terrorist thing but the whole thing is trending very poorly for the Don. Now that the media has learned not to just cover the headlines but actually delving into the man it's only going to get worse.

The sooner Hillary gets indicted so the Democrats can move on, the better.
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If that's the plan, to delve into Trump the man, Trump is the next president of the United States.

 
The democrats need to demonstrate that they are more than just "attack the highest ranking republican".  Take a page from Bush in 2000 with his compassionate conservatism.  Take a page from Bill Clinton and his "the era of big government is over".  Its time to expand the tent by showing they can agree with things the other party likes. Trump will run rings around Hillary if they allow Trump to trap them into attacking him all the time.

 
Riversco said:
The democrats need to demonstrate that they are more than just "attack the highest ranking republican".  Take a page from Bush in 2000 with his compassionate conservatism.  Take a page from Bill Clinton and his "the era of big government is over".  Its time to expand the tent by showing they can agree with things the other party likes. Trump will run rings around Hillary if they allow Trump to trap them into attacking him all the time.
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You sound like Bernie supporters who kept insisting that Hillary needed to agree with various leftist policies that were near and dear to their hearts. Uh, nope. She did just fine without pandering to hippies and she will do just fine without pandering to right-wingers.

 
Been watching Trump speak on TV at a rally non-stop for an hour.  Usually I see him in sound bites. This guy is a master of populism.  Be very worried about this guy picking up steam.  He could go on like this for days.  If you're willing to suspend disbelief and shrug off facts, he's convincing.  

 
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[scooter] said:
You sound like Bernie supporters who kept insisting that Hillary needed to agree with various leftist policies that were near and dear to their hearts. Uh, nope. She did just fine without pandering to hippies and she will do just fine without pandering to right-wingers.
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Do you really believe her stated positions on Wall Street, College Education and our electoral process are genuine?  If those weren't examples of pandering at their finest, I have no idea what would be.  I'm not saying they worked.  She's more transparent than tracing paper, but it was certainly an attempt to get them on board.

 
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Do you really believe her stated positions on Wall Street, College Education and our electoral process are genuine?  If those weren't examples of pandering at their finest, I have no idea what would be.  I'm not saying they worked.  She's more transparent than tracing paper, but it was certainly an attempt to get them on board.
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Oh, I doubt anything Clinton says is genuine.

My point is that she didn't (and doesn't) need to appeal to the far-left to entice Sanders supporters, and she doesn't need to appeal to the far-right, either. She just needs to not get indicted and not act like Trump and she will win.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
You can tie it in. Probably a good time to acknowledge the email issue has hurt Hillary and a normal, trustable, likeable candidate would be killing Trump right now.
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But a normal, trustworthy, likeable candidate would be killing Hillary too right now. This election sucks.

 
bueno said:
But a normal, trustworthy, likeable candidate would be killing Hillary too right now. This election sucks.
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:goodposting:

Two of the worst candidates in history are our choices.  Amazing.  I'm not even so sure which one is worse than the other.

 
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I'm an old SOB and as long as I remember, elections in the US have been about choosing the lesser of two (or more) evils.

 
Hillary will be lucky to make it 4 years. Her whole administration will be scandal ridden and attempt after attempt to get her impeached or in jail where she belongs. 

Much like it will be a long time before we see another black as president it will be a long time before we see another woman as president. 

 
Riversco said:
That really has nothing to do with the public reaction to the shooting (or to the public's reaction to Trump's comments about the shooting).  

Keep in mind that Trump has proven to be immune to attacks.  In fact, he might be able to start turning public opinion in favor of himself when he confronts these issues.  So a poll from the past about what WAS is not relevant here.  The political world can denounce Trump for comments on Orlando, but every time that happens, Trump's numbers rise.  
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Trump seems to have been damaged by the attacks on his comments about Judge Curiel.  I don't think he's proven to be immune to attacks.

 
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So yet another poor decision by Hillary, this time it's her decision to support Obama's soft stance on domestic terrorism...and it's going to bite her in the ###.  Big time.

She's a moron.  Really hoping Trump attacks her on poor decision making in the debates. 

 
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Clinton Running Mates            Odds

                            Julian Castro       2/1

                            Elizabeth Warren 3/1

                            Tim Kaine            5/1

                            Martin O’Malley    5/1

                            Tim Perez            8/1

                            Bernie Sanders   10/1

                           Joe Biden            15/1

                          Michael Bloomberg 20/1

                          Sherrod Brown       20/1

                           Cory Booker         25/1

                          Bill Clinton             70/1
Read more at http://www.2016election.com/2016-running-mate-odds/#r7EU0jmOKcX1pFhw.99

 
timschochet said:
Really? Pretty good odds on Booker. 
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I'll take Sherrod Brown at 20-1.

Yes, I know the Democrats would lose a seat in the Senate with Kasich appointing the replacement.

However, I think it would be worth it to Hillary to lose a Senate seat but be able take Ohio in the electoral college and win the election.

 
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squistion said:
I'll take Sharrod Brown at 20-1.

Yes, I know the Democrats would lose a seat in the Senate with Kasich appointing the replacement.

However, I think it would be worth it to Hillary to lose a Senate seat but be able take Ohio in the electoral college and win the election.
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I agree, makes sense to me.

The GOP under normal conditions would have been looking at a possible Kasich VP nod but, as it's very unlikely he will be signing on to Trump Inc. any time soon, like a lot of things this has gone from a possible GOP positive to possible negative, having a chess piece on the state of Ohio.

 
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