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This is the sort of nonsensical Clinton criticism that outnumbers legitimate complaints 20 to 1 and discredits her critics IMO. 

The linked story, once you remove the anti-Clinton bias of the writeup, has almost nothing to do with Clinton herself.  It's some of the Clinton-friendly people on the platform committee hedging on including opposition to the TPP in the platform, possibly because Obama supports it and the optics of contradicting the popular president who belongs to your party in your party platform are not great.  That's all.  There's no quote from Clinton in the story, and no action taken by her, which makes it awfully hard to imagine how it amounts to a "lie."
She has already flip-flopped on this issue once and is starting to flip back again.

 
There was a thread quite a while back on the TPP that had dozens of links to various studies, arguments for/against, etc.  I'll see if I can dig it up.  From doing the reading at that time, one thing I remember believing was that TPP would be an environmental trainwreck.  That alone was enough to turn me off.

 
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It's why I started using the phrase "freer trade." Agreements like NAFTA and TPP are not free trade, but since they lower tariffs they represent freer trade than prior; I still generally see that as a benefit. 
Yeah, I don't think this is true either, with respect to TPP.
TPP does remove a ton of tariffs we currently have to pay, BUT it appears those savings are made up elsewhere in the agreement.  So it's a general wash giving the illusion of "freer trade" but not really, and, as I said before, it only matters to us as individuals if the companies pass these "savings" on to us.  If they don't, it doesn't really matter how many tariffs are lifted, doing so ONLY benefits the businesses and those who own stock in them thus creating a larger divide in our classes.  

 
As opposed to the status quo?  

Sorry, but I don't believe that Obama and his team subscribe to "trickle down economics".  I understand that's the populist message as lots of Americans look to point the finger at gov't/others for economic problems, but I simply don't buy it. TPP may be flawed, in fact it almost certainly is.  But i think it's very likely better than the status quo, and I think expanding out influence is valuable in many ways that aren't necessarily measured in economic terms.  
Well, given you don't really know what you're talking about here, it sure seems like you're wrong. There are little to no provisions that we know of in this thing that address protection of labor. But don't just take my word for it:

Recent estimates of the U.S. economic gains that would result from the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) are very small — only 0.13 percent of GDP by 2025. Taking into account the un-equalizing effect of trade on wages, this paper finds the median wage earner will probably lose as a result of any such agreement. In fact, most workers are likely to lose — the exceptions being some of the bottom quarter or so whose earnings are determined by the minimum wage; and those with the highest wages who are more protected from international competition. Rather, many top incomes will rise as a result of TPP expansion of the terms and enforcement of copyrights and patents. The long-term losses, going forward over the same period (to 2025), from the failure to restore full employment to the United States have been some 25 times greater than the potential gains of the TPP, and more than five times as large as the possible gains resulting from a much broader trade agenda.
I guess I was wrong too. It's not even trickle down, it's just the rich getting richer.

If it was a Republican pushing this thing you would be going off the rails criticizing the TPP.

 
You already admitted you don't know much, if anything about TPP. So you're basing your entire notion of it on 2nd hand opinion from economists (which you have yet to reference by the way). Might it be possible that there are non-economic elements/repercussions of TPP that could be bad, maybe even to an extent that would outweigh the purported economic benefits? And, as I mentioned earlier, what's good for the economy in aggregate has been equating less and less to what's good for the overall population (and now we're talking the population of multiple nations here) as wealth is further concentrated into fewer and fewer hands.
Are you actually claiming to have read and analyzed the TPP yourself?

 
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Tim,


You see, Crooked Hillary is a world-class liar. It's well-documented. During the Clinton Presidency, there were many, many scandals. TravelGateWhitewater. The personal destruction of Monica Lewinsky. The Rose Law Firm scandal. And, of course, anythinginvolving Sydney BlumenthalIt's no surprise that the scandals and lying didn't stop once the Clinton's left office . . . Benghazi . . . Her illegal email server . . . The donations from terrorist nations to the Clinton Foundation. The list goes on and on. This much is certain: Scandal, lies, and deceit follow Hillary wherever she goes.We CANNOT let her win.Every Election Day, politicians stand trial before the people

The voters are the jury. Their ballots are the verdict. 

And, on November 8th, the American people will finally have the chance to do what the authorities have been too afraid to do over these last 2 decades: INDICT HILLARY CLINTON AND FIND HER GUILTY OF ALL CHARGES.

The latest nasty lie from Hillary? That she is crushing me in fundraising. So, I decided this: If the Democrats and liberal media want to make fundraising an issue in this campaign . . . I WILL MAKE IT AN ISSUE.I didn't start this fight . . . but I WILL end it. And, I will end it on my terms by raising an additional $10 million before June 30th.June 30th is the deadline to report funds raised to the Federal Election Commission.Your donation will once again silence Hillary and the liberal media that hates me so much. And, with your immediate donation, the American people can finally do in November what the Federal authorities have been unable or unwilling to do: 

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Trump needs my money!! 



 
Her excuse is almost worse, as transparent a lie as it is.  Met to talk grandkids and reminisce -- as pure overseeing an investigation into his wife, who is running for President!  That's a good idea.  Of course it wasn't that, and that is an intractable problem.  This is resign from office stuff.  
It's really not, but hey, keep saying it and maybe people will listen after the 1000th time you post basically the same thing.

 
You mean another round of calls for a special prosecutor?  Cause it's already been rejected multiple times.
Hey DP, the judge in your case just hung out with the husband of the opposing party in your multi-million dollar case for half an hour with no one else around. And that same guy gave her her start in the legal business. Feeling pretty good about things right now? Recusal motion for ex parte discussions doesn't even pop into your head???

 
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They probably saw a fun opportunity to send conspiracy theorists into paroxysms.
Well it worked!  :thumbup:

Lorretta Lynch is the epitome of integrity, whatever Mr. Ham believes in his conspiracy deluded mind. If she says they talked about being grandparents, then that's what they talked about. 

 
I hear they were discussing how jet fuel can't melt steel beams.  This is SERIOUS, you guys.

Honestly, do people really think that if Bill Clinton wanted to speak to the Attorney General of the United States to curry influence regarding the investigation into his wife's emails he'd do it on the tarmac of an airport?  It's not that hard to meet secretly without tipping off the press, you know.  And you can be sure that Bill Clinton of all people is well aware of the many ways to meet with someone without the press or public finding out.  This news report quotes sources (plural) saying that Clinton only found out Lynch was passing through after already arriving at the airport to depart.

Either take your meds or stay away from the internet, guys.

 
I hear they were discussing how jet fuel can't melt steel beams.  This is SERIOUS, you guys.

Honestly, do people really think that if Bill Clinton wanted to speak to the Attorney General of the United States to curry influence regarding the investigation into his wife's emails he'd do it on the tarmac of an airport?  It's not that hard to meet secretly without tipping off the press, you know.  And you can be sure that Bill Clinton of all people is well aware of the many ways to meet with someone without the press or public finding out.  This news report quotes sources (plural) saying that Clinton only found out Lynch was passing through after already arriving at the airport to depart.

Either take your meds or stay away from the internet, guys.
It's totally inappropriate.

 
I hear they were discussing how jet fuel can't melt steel beams.  This is SERIOUS, you guys.

Honestly, do people really think that if Bill Clinton wanted to speak to the Attorney General of the United States to curry influence regarding the investigation into his wife's emails he'd do it on the tarmac of an airport?  It's not that hard to meet secretly without tipping off the press, you know.  And you can be sure that Bill Clinton of all people is well aware of the many ways to meet with someone without the press or public finding out.  This news report quotes sources (plural) saying that Clinton only found out Lynch was passing through after already arriving at the airport to depart.

Either take your meds or stay away from the internet, guys.
If you believe that was a real airport tarmac and not a movie set, you're crazy.

 
It's totally inappropriate.
No, it's completely normal and appropriate. Bill Clinton is not Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton has not been indicted or anything close to it by DOJ or anyone else, and the two made no effort to hide their friendly happenstance meeting, which by the way is a thing that happens all the time since many of these people live and work in the same neighborhoods of the same city.

By your standards every member of any family that has someone involved in any way with any DOJ investigation would have to turn and run the other direction every time they saw a DOJ attorney anywhere to avoid the appearance of what you consider impropriety.

This is nonsense, and has to be at least the two-hundredth example of Clinton haters crying wolf.

 
By your standards every member of any family that has someone involved in any way with any DOJ investigation would have to turn and run the other direction every time they saw a DOJ attorney anywhere to avoid the appearance of what you consider impropriety.
I didn't say Bill Clinton should run away.

I'm saying that Lynch should have refused to meet with him and yeah USA's should not do this either if it involves the spouse of someone they're investigating.

 
Didn't you write yesterday that you are never condescending to people here?
Fair enough. Sorry for this, guys. 

Let me rephrase: questioning a friendly meeting between two people who clearly had made no plans to meet and made no effort to conceal their meeting although they easily could have done so makes otherwise intelligent posters sound like crazy people who forgot to take their meds.

 
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Let me rephrase: questioning a friendly meeting between two people who clearly had made no plans to meet and made no effort to conceal their meeting although they easily could have done so makes otherwise intelligent posters sound like crazy people who forgot to take their meds.




(4) A judge should accord to every person who has a legal interest in a proceeding, and that person’s lawyer, the full right to be heard according to law. Except as set out below, a judge should not initiate, permit, or consider ex parte communications or consider other communications concerning a pending or impending matter that are made outside the presence of the parties or their lawyers.
http://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/code-conduct-united-states-judges

- I see no difference between what a judge is held to and the US AG. Please, please do not give us the Bill does not equal Hillary bs.

 
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Hey DP, the judge in your case just hung out with the husband of the opposing party in your multi-million dollar case for half an hour with no one else around. And that same guy gave her her start in the legal business. Feeling pretty good about things right now? Recusal motion for ex parte discussions doesn't even pop into your head???
Judges are people.  They have social lives.  They don't like being told they can't socialize with the people in their profession.  Absent more, I'd lose any motion and I'd just get a pissed off judge.

BTW, while on the surface it looks horrible, on closer examination this seems entirely innocent to me.  Neither of those people got where they are by being stupid.  If they were up to something nefarious, they'd avoid meeting anywhere it'd be apparent or meeting at all - this is afterall the digital age.  

 
Has the FBI or any Justice Department official ever stated that Hillary Clinton is under criminal investigation? If so, link? 
Yes, in their court filing the DOJ claimed a privilege only reserved for criminal investigations. The federal judge confirmed this. Same proceeding the FBI filed - for maybe the third time - a statement that Hillary is under criminal investigation. This has been linked countless times for you.

 
Yes, in their court filing the DOJ claimed a privilege only reserved for criminal investigations. The federal judge confirmed this. Same proceeding the FBI filed - for maybe the third time - a statement that Hillary is under criminal investigation. This has been linked countless times for you.
It's not the same thing, Saints. 

 
That's a federal judge, in a court case, referring to an aide of Hillary's. I'm still waiting for the FBI or Justice Department to say, unequivocally, that Hillary Clinton is under criminal investigation. Or even that the email investigation is a criminal investigation. 
You have a reading comprehension issue then. That has happened in federal court.

 
Hey DP, the judge in your case just hung out with the husband of the opposing party in your multi-million dollar case for half an hour with no one else around. And that same guy gave her her start in the legal business. Feeling pretty good about things right now? Recusal motion for ex parte discussions doesn't even pop into your head???
If I'm following things correctly ... there is no judge, and there is no case, so that question doesn't seem relevant. When and if the AG files an action against Hillary, I agree that the judge should not meet with Hillary ex parte. (The AG still could, though, right? Assuming Hillary's attorney okays it...)

 
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