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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (11 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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Ramblin Wreck
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SaintsInDome2006
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- Now, who would know such a thing at that time?
(fyi checking out for a while
thanks for the discussion)
timschochet
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squistion
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PolitiFactVerified account @PolitiFact 2h2 hours ago
Trump wrong on claim that Hillary Clinton 'laundered' money to Bill
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/01/donald-trump/did-hillary-clinton-launder-millions-dollars-while/
Did Hillary Clinton launder millions of dollars while she was secretary of state? [...]
Trump claimed that Clinton used her role as secretary of state as a vehicle to funnel government money to her husband.
the email said. "Clinton's State Department provided $55.2 million in grants to Laureate Education from 2010-2012. Laureate thanked Bill for providing unbelievable access to the secretary of state by paying him off $16.5 million. This is yet another example of how Clinton treated the State Department as her own personal hedge fund, and sold out the American public to fund her lavish lifestyle." [...]
We decided to investigate Trump’s claim that Hillary Clinton, who was secretary from 2009 through early 2013, "laundered" money to Laureate to pay off her husband’s salary. We ultimately found that there is zero evidence that Laureate received any money from the federal government while Clinton was at the State Department.
Trump wrong on claim that Hillary Clinton 'laundered' money to Bill
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/01/donald-trump/did-hillary-clinton-launder-millions-dollars-while/
Did Hillary Clinton launder millions of dollars while she was secretary of state? [...]
Trump claimed that Clinton used her role as secretary of state as a vehicle to funnel government money to her husband.
the email said. "Clinton's State Department provided $55.2 million in grants to Laureate Education from 2010-2012. Laureate thanked Bill for providing unbelievable access to the secretary of state by paying him off $16.5 million. This is yet another example of how Clinton treated the State Department as her own personal hedge fund, and sold out the American public to fund her lavish lifestyle." [...]
We decided to investigate Trump’s claim that Hillary Clinton, who was secretary from 2009 through early 2013, "laundered" money to Laureate to pay off her husband’s salary. We ultimately found that there is zero evidence that Laureate received any money from the federal government while Clinton was at the State Department.
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So she plays in the grey area and then is super secretive about it (with private servers, aides and associates taking the fifth) and the American people are suppose to trust her? When you are in grey areas you better be open and transparent about it. She works for the public and should have to earn their trust. It makes very little sense that people support her, but it is all about party and agenda.
cstu
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dparker713
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It's her or Trump. When faced with that choice her trustworthiness issues fade into the background.
RandyDB
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One choice being totally unacceptable, does not make the other acceptable by default.
dparker713
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Rohn Jambo
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badmojo1006
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Exactly. She does have issues (which I can live with), yet Trump has multiple number of issues which disqualify him from being President. It is as simple as that
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MaxThreshold
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MaxThreshold
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So corruption isn't a disqualifier for you concerning Hillary? Wow.
So I guess it's safe to say that HRC supporters are 100% for corruption, lying and general shadiness bordering on criminality. That's fine. However, you NEVER get to complain about any else with those same qualities either.
So the next time I hear a lefty complain about corruption (corporate, government or otherwise) I will laugh in your face and say, "Yeah, that's funny. Remember when you voted for Hillary?".
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dparker713
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Corrupt < Petulant <<< Ignorant <<<<<<<< Bigoted <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< StupidMaxThreshold said:
That's the disqualification scale. So yes, her corruption pales in comparison to Trump's various traits.
BigSteelThrill
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I just dont find Trump to have any upperhand regarding shadiness or lying. And both are better then Cruz. Imagine that.MaxThreshold said:
bostonfred
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There's nothing funny about this choice for president.MaxThreshold said:
Apple Jack
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Trump makes the shrill look like the pope.Ramblin Wreck said:
MaxThreshold
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MaxThreshold
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I don't think he has any upper hand. I think they are both equally awful and terrible choices for this country. 3rd Party is the way to go.
timschochet
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Those of you that are certain that she is corrupt- doesn't it bother you at all that one after another accusation against her turns out to be false? (Like the one squistion just linked that Politifact debunked). Doesn't this give you pause?
Ramblin Wreck
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Trump has his own integrity problems but just because he's bad doesn't mean Hillary has integrity, as some seem to claim here.
dparker713
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Ramblin Wreck
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When you count, what number did you start with? Tim and Squisloc for sure but the guy that started the integrity comments counts too. That's 3 without even looking but many others get really defensive of Clinton the second her integrity gets questioned; not just in relation to Trump.
bueno
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Doesn't it bother you that scandal always seems to find her and Bill? Would you just consider for one moment - where there is smoke there is fire?
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RandyDB
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In Bill and Hillary's case, where there is smoke, there is a republican playing with matches.
squistion
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MaxThreshold
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bueno
In a class by himself
No. They are like the Godfather crime boss that is so hard to catch with his own hand in the cookie jar.
John Bender
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Hillary's got some trust issues, probably a touch of corruption, certainly hard to believe everything she says at times. She still the most qualified Presidential candidate we've seen in a long time, has credibility, experience and the temperament to handle all parts of the job of President and is by far the best candidate this year. This is about as objective as you can be if you survey most people, especially media people plugged into politics.
Not sure why it always has to be all or nothing within these threads. Go out on your decks and enjoy a beer and a hot dog for a few hours mates. It's a holiday weekend
Not sure why it always has to be all or nothing within these threads. Go out on your decks and enjoy a beer and a hot dog for a few hours mates. It's a holiday weekend
badmojo1006
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TTPODHillary's got some trust issues, probably a touch of corruption, certainly hard to believe everything she says at times. She still the most qualified Presidential candidate we've seen in a long time, has credibility, experience and the temperament to handle all parts of the job of President and is by far the best candidate this year. This is about as objective as you can be if you survey most people, especially media people plugged into politics.
Not sure why it always has to be all or nothing within these threads. Go out on your decks and enjoy a beer and a hot dog for a few hours mates. It's a holiday weekend
Rohn Jambo
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There are plenty of evidence that the Clintons are corrupt but you'll say Hillary is more innocent than a baby even if she's caught red handed. No, it doesn't give me pause because we know you've been living in an alternate realty for quite some time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0
Bottomfeeder Sports
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Rohn Jambo
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Yes, alcohol will numb your conscience when you vote to be Hillary's accomplice.Hillary's got some trust issues, probably a touch of corruption, certainly hard to believe everything she says at times. She still the most qualified Presidential candidate we've seen in a long time, has credibility, experience and the temperament to handle all parts of the job of President and is by far the best candidate this year. This is about as objective as you can be if you survey most people, especially media people plugged into politics.
Not sure why it always has to be all or nothing within these threads. Go out on your decks and enjoy a beer and a hot dog for a few hours mates. It's a holiday weekend
BigSteelThrill
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That's way more of a bother of the entire Republican Party. An entire decade of pure conservative scandal crap in the 90s.
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Riversco
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The reason the corruption angle sticks to her so well is that she never, ever been able to clearly articulate WHY she wants to be president. Trump articulates it very well in that he believes we need to change the culture of getting offended at everything and he strongly believe getting tough on immigration solves a lot of problems and that he can fix these things as president.
I do not know why Hillary wants to be president other than she just wants to be president. She wants the power just because. And it is very easy to label a person like that as corrupt.
The vacuum on Hillary's resume is that she is not associated with fighting for a specific cause.
NorvilleBarnes
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Just because the accusations are dismissed - or not "criminal" - doesn't make them false. The accusations that she set up a private server for official business, that she deleted 30,000 emails, and that she lied about it all, are all very true accusations.
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This, Tim. This. She is guilty of these things and has been exposed - regardless of charges.
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Rohn Jambo
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Usually people get whacked before they can rat on the Clintons, like this guy who was "killed by a dumb bell while he was exercising".
http://pagesix.com/2016/06/26/disgraced-ex-un-officials-death-conveniently-timed/
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SaintsInDome2006
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Tim your argument for why the Clintons aren't corrupt reads like a shorthand for why most people think modern politics are corrupt. You think viewing business as a constituency is good. Most people Dem, Ind & GOP don't think that.
The Clintons will do this again because they are reckless and impulsive. The ultimate reason this happens repeatedly is they mix private and public and they think they won't get caught. At the bottom of all these events you have Hillary representing a bank regulated by her husband, Hillary taking a stock tip from an employee of a company regulated by her husband, maybe four different instances of hiding documents, and with the Foundation and Teneo taking money from (again) corporations they regulate. Over and over and over again. That's what they believe is fundamentally ok.
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BigSteelThrill
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The ultimate used car salesman has a green residue that makes things a touch worse, visually.
Apple Jack
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timschochet
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In the abstract, minus the accusations of tampering with classified information or accepting bribes to the Clinton Foundation in return for favors- why is setting up a private email system so bad?
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