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Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 

 
They should have saved all this social advocacy stuff for prime time. Hopefully there is some redundancy and it will get covered by somebody other than the heavy hitters. This is really important and lands much better coming from non-politicians..

 
timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 




 
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I don't care that she is a woman.  I care that as a human being she is an awful, awful person that would eat your child if she thought it meant the presidency.  

 
timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 
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I think it's pretty simple....male chauvinism.  Not all that complicated is it?

 
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timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 




 
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I would rather elect Miss Chastaine from Romper Room, because she wouldn't kill me if I disagreed with her or stood in her way of being president.  

 
timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 
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That doesn't mean two ####s, Tim. She is a horrible person. Let's elect a horrible person too the White House because she is a woman?

 
timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 
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Not going to happen, at least this year

 
bueno said:
That doesn't mean two ####s, Tim. She is a horrible person. Let's elect a horrible person too the White House because she is a woman?
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Bueno, I think you missed my point. Obviously, I disagree with your assessment of Hillary. But even if I did not, my point was about the historical moment, and not the character of the person. 

Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder who sold his slaves south in order to pay for his expensive tastes, knowing all the while he was selling them into brutality. That was an evil act, and he did it so often it is hard not to see him as an evil man. Yet he is also the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Should we tear down our monuments to him? If Hillary is elected President, she will always be regarded as the first woman President, and that is an achievement to be honored, whatever you might think of her. 

 
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Clinton called the stubborn wage gap an issue that affects the “broader economy,” noting that “last time I checked, there’s no discount for being a woman. Groceries don’t cost us less.”

The Clinton foundation pays men 38% more than women. 

 
timschochet said:
Bueno, I think you missed my point. Obviously, I disagree with your assessment of Hillary. But even if I did not, my point was about the historical moment, and not the character of the person. 

Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder who sold his slaves south in order to pay for his expensive tastes, knowing all the while he was selling them into brutality. That was an evil act, and he did it so often it is hard not to see him as an evil man. Yet he is also the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Should we tear up our monuments to him? If Hillary is elected President, she will always be regarded as the first woman President, and that is an achievement to be honored, whatever you might think of her. 
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:lmao:

 
timschochet said:
Let's put aside the dislike for Hillary, and the like for Hillary, and take a moment to reflect on the fact that for the first time in our nation's history a woman is going to be nominated for President by one of the two major parties. 

It didn't have to be the Democrats. Republicans would have gladly put up a Margaret Thatcher years ago had she been American. Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, even Pakistan, a Muslim nation, had a woman in charge before we did. So what took us so long? 
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It is a huge accomplishment for women.  I said the same thing to my wife earlier.  Her reply was, "if she was a dude, there's no chance she'd be on that stage."

 
timschochet said:
Bueno, I think you missed my point. Obviously, I disagree with your assessment of Hillary. But even if I did not, my point was about the historical moment, and not the character of the person. 

Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder who sold his slaves south in order to pay for his expensive tastes, knowing all the while he was selling them into brutality. That was an evil act, and he did it so often it is hard not to see him as an evil man. Yet he is also the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. Should we tear down our monuments to him? If Hillary is elected President, she will always be regarded as the first woman President, and that is an achievement to be honored, whatever you might think of her. 
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Piss poor analogy - slavery was not considered evil then. You of all people ought to have an appreciation for how morals change with history.

 
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Has there ever been a negative bounce from a national convention?
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1972 Democratic Convention. The convention itself was a shambles, and then a few days later it was revealed that McGovern's VP (Thomas Eagleton) had previously been hospitalized 3 times for mental breakdowns. Eagleton promptly withdrew from the ticket, but it was too late. McGovern's poll numbers had plummeted.

 
bueno said:
Piss poor analogy - slavery was not considered evil then. You of all people ought to have an appreciation for how morals change with history.
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Please read it again. No slavery was not considered evil by all (though certainly by some, including Thomas Jefferson) but selling slaves south, if you were a slaveowner in Virginia, WAS considered a moral wrong. 

 
I hate that Hill is going to win.  Dumpster fire is the worst person the R ticket could have asked for.

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I just listened to David Pflouffe, Obama's former campaign manager, on MSNBC. He said there are 3 keys to this election: 

1. Hillary's ability to get her base to vote vs. Trump's ability to do the same. 

2. Trump's ability to peel away blue collar Democrats

3. Hillary's ability to peel away Republican women (especially suburban women who voted for Romney and McCain). 

Interesting stuff. I would have added a 4th: Trump's ability to attract people who normally don't vote to go to the polls. 

 
Max Power said:
I think this is through the roof at the moment.  Both candidates are unlikable.  But I see Trump getting a bigger boost here. 
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Glad you added "at the moment", because we never know if these people will actually vote in November. Keep in mind that Trump, despite his assertions to the contrary, has yet to attract new voters. The people who voted for him the primaries were almost all Republicans who had voted for Romney 4 years earlier. 

 
timschochet said:
Glad you added "at the moment", because we never know if these people will actually vote in November. Keep in mind that Trump, despite his assertions to the contrary, has yet to attract new voters. The people who voted for him the primaries were almost all Republicans who had voted for Romney 4 years earlier. 
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Im spending the week at a family reunion in Maryland this week.  A historically D state and there are plenty of newly registered R who will vote Trump in Nov. This state might not turn, but its a sign...

 
Republican Convention: Talk about uniting as Americans and start winning again.

Democratic Convention: Pander to every identity group possible, and blame all the world's problems on whites and cops.

 
Rick James said:
Republican Convention: Talk about uniting as Americans and start winning again.

Democratic Convention: Pander to every identity group possible, and blame all the world's problems on whites and cops.
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What are we going to win? Do we get a trophy and hats and t-shirts like the Super Bowl winners?

 
Rick James said:
Republican Convention: Talk about uniting as Americans and start winning again.

Democratic Convention: Pander to every identity group possible, and blame all the world's problems on whites and cops.
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That's some delusional #### right there. Winning again? Blame the world's problems on whites and cops? Sorry you're so angry. Trump won't help you there.

 
"I'm white and I'm angry!"

Blah blah Obama

Blah blah emails

"I hate, hate, hate...."

"Lock her up"

"Throw them out"

"Build a wall!"

Sad, really. Sorry you're so angry. Good luck with that.

 
timschochet said:
I just listened to David Pflouffe, Obama's former campaign manager, on MSNBC. He said there are 3 keys to this election: 

1. Hillary's ability to get her base to vote vs. Trump's ability to do the same. 

2. Trump's ability to peel away blue collar Democrats

3. Hillary's ability to peel away Republican women (especially suburban women who voted for Romney and McCain). 

Interesting stuff. I would have added a 4th: Trump's ability to attract people who normally don't vote to go to the polls. 
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These are legit but I would add something else...what will be going on the week prior to the election...right now this election is like a movie with twists and turns...what is going on the the week before will have a big impact...examples...another email dump hurting either candidate...a terrorist attack on American soil...more attacks on the police...a police brutality story...an illegal immigrant killing someone...Trump getting caught on a live Mic saying something foolish...more revelations about another Clinton scandal...unlike any other election I see this one trashing the old rules and being a more day-to-day/week-to-week battle based on current events...also, current events have never been so easy to obtain and the days of the old-guard media dictating what the general public knows are long gone...this election could turn into a game of musical chairs where the last scandal/current event prior to the election could influence enough voters to swing it to one candidate... 

 
Hillary should be nervous.The anger is insurmountable. Her 40 year record of service isn't resonating. It's coming down to Obama hatred, emails, and "corruption". Donald played it well. Apparently you can invent childish nicknames for your opponents, and that works in 2016. Sad. 

 
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Hillary should be nervous.The anger is insurmountable. Her 40 year record of service isn't resonating. It's coming down to Obama hatred, emails, and "corruption". Donald played it well. Apparently you can invent childish nicknames for your opponents, and that works in 2016. Sad. 
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why put corruption in quotes?

 
timschochet said:
Glad you added "at the moment", because we never know if these people will actually vote in November. Keep in mind that Trump, despite his assertions to the contrary, has yet to attract new voters. The people who voted for him the primaries were almost all Republicans who had voted for Romney 4 years earlier. 
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Oh bs Tim. Look at how many more people voted in the Republican primaries compared to 4 years ago. The numbers don't lie. You are in fantasyland on that one.

 
 
bueno said:
Oh bs Tim. Look at how many more people voted in the Republican primaries compared to 4 years ago. The numbers don't lie. You are in fantasyland on that one.
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Do you mean like the 16.8 million votes for Hillary versus the 14.0 million for Trump?

 
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