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I'm not sure if you're right about Kaine or Biden but I'll give it merit, because I'm increasingly coming to believe that the Democratic nomination contest is going to be the gold medal so to speak. 

Kasiich/Rubio, I now believe, would have done much better than Trump, but in the end would have lost 51-49 or something like that. The national numbers for Republicans just aren't there anymore. 
It's all academic, I disagree because obviously the GOP has had literally near record success the last 3 cycles. Typical battleground election and win OH & FL that means a GOP win. And Rubio is running like 15-20 points ahead of Trump in FL right now IIRC.

 
I could have sworn, Commish, that months ago you wrote in this thread that Hillary having a private email server disqualified her in your eyes from being President. I'm not going to try to look it up now but I clearly remember that was your stated position. 

 
I could have sworn, Commish, that months ago you wrote in this thread that Hillary having a private email server disqualified her in your eyes from being President. I'm not going to try to look it up now but I clearly remember that was your stated position. 
nope

ETA:  You want my views on the whole email thing?  Go read Comey's comments....we are about 99% in agreement and he said just about everything I've ever said on the issue.

 
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I'm lifelong Left.  Never voted Republican.  Had tepid support for Hillary last year and it was a slow burn as that support dwindled -- mainly because it was evident that she didn't connect and strange that she was being so blatantly crammed down America's throat.  Then when the scandal broke, it was equally evident that she was brutally lying and that she endanagered national security -- which I could easily have forgiven, except it was for selfish aims.  And then she continued to lie, and I realized it really is a character thing with her.  And in discovering that and opening my eyes to the Clinton past, it was frightening how corrupt they are and how corrupted the system around them is.  Thus began my road to understanding they are incongruent with American principles and ideals.  
In this thread you have expressed your belief and support for EVERY conspiracy regarding Hillary, no matter how ludicrous, including the murders of Vince Foster, Arkansas officials, and even the recent "questionable" deaths of DNC operatives. Forgive me if I'm skeptical of your previous tepid support of HRC. 

 
Her trustworthy numbers have little to do with whether or not she'll be elected. There is this theory out there that Hillary would have lost to anybody but Trump. I don't buy it. She would have struggled more, but in the end she probably would have defeated anybody. We have a nation that is now majority Democrat and they're going to vote for the Democrat however much they distrust her. It's going to be very hard for Republicans to win the Presidency anymore. 
:lmao:  

 
By their actions, they've agreed to stop accepting foreign donations and doing paid speeches. 
That does not mean that they are admitting these actions actually were bad or there was a quid pro quo. They are acknowledging that some people may believe such actions are not proper. Clinton rightfully believrs that any appearance of impropriety, whether justified or not, should be eliminated if one is president.  

 
That does not mean that they are admitting these actions actually were bad or there was a quid pro quo. They are acknowledging that some people may believe such actions are not proper. Clinton rightfully believrs that any appearance of impropriety, whether justified or not, should be eliminated if one is president.  
People: please listen - appearance of impropriety is the argument. That's the point why they should not have been doing it.

 
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That's not at all what the story says. It says that during the interview with the investigators she told them about a conversation in which Powell recommended private email servers.  She never said it was his fault or he was to blame, she never intended for that interview to be public knowledge, and made no public statement that resembles "blaming" him at all.

Keep crying wolf, though. It's working out great so far.

 
That's not at all what the story says. It says that during the interview with the investigators she told them about a conversation in which Powell recommended private email servers.  She never said it was his fault or he was to blame, she never intended for that interview to be public knowledge, and made no public statement that resembles "blaming" him at all.

Keep crying wolf, though. It's working out great so far.
Sure

 
That's not at all what the story says. It says that during the interview with the investigators she told them about a conversation in which Powell recommended private email servers.  She never said it was his fault or he was to blame, she never intended for that interview to be public knowledge, and made no public statement that resembles "blaming" him at all.

Keep crying wolf, though. It's working out great so far.
Agree here...it's also said that Powell's recommendation was to use her own email...no mention of going beyond that and setting up a full on server (at least that's what the article says).  TF, this is an example of not owning the mistake IMO.  "Colin told me to" and "Colin did it too" (even though he didn't) aren't owning anything...they are weak attempts at deflecting from poor decision making.  The article also points out she had already made the decision to use the private email server, so I don't even know why she was bringing Powell into the discussion other than to deflect.

 
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In a statement Friday morning, Powell's office said: "General Powell has no recollection of the dinner conversation. He did write former Secretary Clinton an email memo describing his use of his personal AOL email account for unclassified messages and how it vastly improved communications within the State Department. At the time there was no equivalent system within the Department. He used a secure State computer on his desk to manage classified information."

 
So, Powell went from "hey, using email for communication is great" to Clinton saying, "you know what would make communication better - my own private server, where I can put myself and key aides on a server away from Government regulations!"

"Thanks Colin!  Great idea!"

 
So, Powell went from "hey, using email for communication is great" to Clinton saying, "you know what would make communication better - my own private server, where I can put myself and key aides on a server away from Government regulations!"

"Thanks Colin!  Great idea!"
Wolf!  Wolf!

Look, you totally misrepresented the story.  Did you think nobody would actually click the link and read it and see that you had done so?  Maybe next time don't hyperlink.  Make it at least a little harder for people to expose your silliness. 

 
Agree here...it's also said that Powell's recommendation was to use her own email...no mention of going beyond that and setting up a full on server (at least that's what the article says).  TF, this is an example of not owning the mistake IMO.  "Colin told me to" and "Colin did it too" (even though he didn't) aren't owning anything...they are weak attempts at deflecting from poor decision making.  The article also points out she had already made the decision to use the private email server, so I don't even know why she was bringing Powell into the discussion other than to deflect.
Because she was being investigated by the FBI and was answering their questions?  You understand this wasn't a public statement, yes?  She was providing an investigator who was asking questions with information that guided her decisionmaking throughout the process. She had no intention of having the details of that questioning made public.

In contrast, what she has done publicly is said that she made a mistake and apologized for doing so.  Claiming someone isn't "owning a mistake" when they've explicitly done so is preposterous. You're basically changing the definition of the phrase "owning a mistake" to fit your own mission to discredit her.

 
Wolf!  Wolf!

Look, you totally misrepresented the story.  Did you think nobody would actually click the link and read it and see that you had done so?  Maybe next time don't hyperlink.  Make it at least a little harder for people to expose your silliness. 
ORLY?  Clinton has been using the "everyone else is doing it" defense, almost from the start.  Nothing is new here, except now she says she got specific advice from Powell to justify her decision.  Get your head out the sand, man.  You are embarrassing yourself.

 
ORLY?  Clinton has been using the "everyone else is doing it" defense, almost from the start.  Nothing is new here, except now she says she got specific advice from Powell to justify her decision.  Get your head out the sand, man.  You are embarrassing yourself.
She didn't blame him.  The words "blame" and "fault" don't even appear in the story.  But you said she blamed him anyway.  You misrepresented the story.  End of analysis. 

Justifying it by pointing to your version of her behavior "almost from the start" doesn't change that. Nor will continuing to act like something she's saying publicly "now" instead of acknowledging that this story is merely about something she told FBI investigators months ago and that she did not actually blame him for her decision when she did so. 

And nor will accusing people who disagree with your perspective of "having their heads in the sand."  That's how lunatics talk.  What's next, you gonna tell me how jet fuel won't melt steel beams?

 
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She didn't blame him.  The words "blame" and "fault" don't even appear in the story.  But you said she blamed him anyway.  You misrepresented the story.  End of analysis. 

Justifying it by pointing to your version of her behavior "almost from the start" doesn't change that. Nor will continuing to act like something she's saying publicly "now" instead of something she said privately to FBI investigators months ago. 

And nor will accusing people who disagree with your perspective of "having their heads in the sand."  That's how lunatics talk.  What's next, you gonna tell me how jet fuel won't melt steel beams?
Time to put down the kool-aid.

You are old enough now, that you should not need everything spelled out for you...

 
Time to put down the kool-aid.

You are old enough now, that you should not need everything spelled out for you...
I hope this is parody or something. Maybe there's a website that just spits out random conspiracy theorist phrases and you're just cutting and pasting?  Do you take requests?  I'm a big fan of "wake up sheeple" and any material involving the Rand Corporation.

 
I hope this is parody or something. Maybe there's a website that just spits out random conspiracy theorist phrases and you're just cutting and pasting?  Do you take requests?  I'm a big fan of "wake up sheeple" and any material involving the Rand Corporation.
There is no conspiracy here.  You should stop trying to see one behind every corner.

 
Agree here...it's also said that Powell's recommendation was to use her own email...no mention of going beyond that and setting up a full on server (at least that's what the article says).  TF, this is an example of not owning the mistake IMO.  "Colin told me to" and "Colin did it too" (even though he didn't) aren't owning anything...they are weak attempts at deflecting from poor decision making.  The article also points out she had already made the decision to use the private email server, so I don't even know why she was bringing Powell into the discussion other than to deflect.
Because she was being investigated by the FBI and was answering their questions?  You understand this wasn't a public statement, yes?  She was providing an investigator who was asking questions with information that guided her decisionmaking throughout the process. She had no intention of having the details of that questioning made public.

In contrast, what she has done publicly is said that she made a mistake and apologized for doing so.  Claiming someone isn't "owning a mistake" when they've explicitly done so is preposterous. You're basically changing the definition of the phrase "owning a mistake" to fit your own mission to discredit her.
This isn't the first time she's said these things.  She's used the "but others did it" (which no one else has ever gone and set up their own server) over and over.  She continues with this and then goes beyond it to equate using an AOL account with setting up a server.  I'd rather she used an AOL account or a google account.  It would have been more secure.  I haven't changed the definition for anyone.  I hold anyone to that standard :shrug:   just like I don't believe "I'm sorry, but....." is a real apology "I made a mistake but...." isn't really owning the mistake.  That's the standard I was taught as a child and the standard I teach my kids.  I haven't changed anything.....as I said before, it was my fault for not telling you what I meant by "owning the mistake".

 
This isn't the first time she's said these things.  She's used the "but others did it" (which no one else has ever gone and set up their own server) over and over.  She continues with this and then goes beyond it to equate using an AOL account with setting up a server.  I'd rather she used an AOL account or a google account.  It would have been more secure.  I haven't changed the definition for anyone.  I hold anyone to that standard :shrug:   just like I don't believe "I'm sorry, but....." is a real apology "I made a mistake but...." isn't really owning the mistake.  That's the standard I was taught as a child and the standard I teach my kids.  I haven't changed anything.....as I said before, it was my fault for not telling you what I meant by "owning the mistake".
She didn't say "I'm sorry, but ...."  She said "I'm sorry." End of sentence. She said she "That was a mistake." End of sentence.  She said "I take responsibility."  End of sentence.

Now, did she also try to explain why she made that mistake?  Of course.  But you know who else has done that?  Literally every single person who has admitted to a mistake for which they were criticized by the public.

I think your anti-Clinton bias is affecting your judgment on this one.  I'm sure you'll accuse me of the same thing, but remember I was maybe the first person on this message board to flag the private email server usage as a big deal and to condemn her for doing it.  I'm no fanboy ... or at least I wasn't until she became our country's only alternative to Trump.

 
In this thread you have expressed your belief and support for EVERY conspiracy regarding Hillary, no matter how ludicrous, including the murders of Vince Foster, Arkansas officials, and even the recent "questionable" deaths of DNC operatives. Forgive me if I'm skeptical of your previous tepid support of HRC. 
Clintons are sketchy.

 
In this thread you have expressed your belief and support for EVERY conspiracy regarding Hillary, no matter how ludicrous, including the murders of Vince Foster, Arkansas officials, and even the recent "questionable" deaths of DNC operatives. Forgive me if I'm skeptical of your previous tepid support of HRC. 
And just to add some clarity into your claims, let's take what I actually said about Vince Foster.  I do not support the view that the Clintons murdered him.  There isn't ample evidence. What I did say was:

- Lead prosecutor quit and cited evidence tampering (that was not widely known until this year)

- The often cited report released by Ken Starr that concluded suicide had an appendix that a federal judge took a unusual move to order included in the report, which systematically disputes the report

- A Secret Service agent testified under oath that Hillary's Chief of Staff took "two handfuls of folders" from his office the night he died.  That Chief of staff denied taking anything, also under oath.  I don't believe her.

I don't subscribe to any and all theories.  Clintons are just sketchy and I don't dismiss everything out of hand.

And there have been some recent deaths that are... Sketchy.  I don't dismiss the possibility of logical explanations.  Nor do I dismiss some may have been murdered for political motives.

 
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This isn't the first time she's said these things.  She's used the "but others did it" (which no one else has ever gone and set up their own server) over and over.  She continues with this and then goes beyond it to equate using an AOL account with setting up a server.  I'd rather she used an AOL account or a google account.  It would have been more secure.  I haven't changed the definition for anyone.  I hold anyone to that standard :shrug:   just like I don't believe "I'm sorry, but....." is a real apology "I made a mistake but...." isn't really owning the mistake.  That's the standard I was taught as a child and the standard I teach my kids.  I haven't changed anything.....as I said before, it was my fault for not telling you what I meant by "owning the mistake".
She didn't say "I'm sorry, but ...."  She said "I'm sorry." End of sentence. She said she "That was a mistake." End of sentence.  She said "I take responsibility."  End of sentence.

Now, did she also try to explain why she made that mistake?  Of course.  But you know who else has done that?  Literally every single person who has admitted to a mistake for which they were criticized by the public.

I think your anti-Clinton bias is affecting your judgment on this one.  I'm sure you'll accuse me of the same thing, but remember I was maybe the first person on this message board to flag the private email server usage as a big deal and to condemn her for doing it.  I'm no fanboy ... or at least I wasn't until she became our country's only alternative to Trump.
We're going to have to agree to disagree....I don't see how her collective set of comments and statements on this topic are anything but "I'm sorry, but...." without a significant amount of work to dismiss, parse or reinterpret.  Very similar to those who are now forgiving Trump and all of a sudden believe his apology in the last days was sincere.  I'm sure you're not giving him a pass now, right?  "My bad.  I made a mistake, but I'm in the middle of a political campaign and I don't always say things correctly" (paraphrasing of course) rings pretty hollow to me.

My bias showing would be when she apologized unconditionally and I didn't believe her.  She can, of course, change my belief via her actions, but until then, my bias will take precedent.  She's earned that sort of scrutiny IMO.  However, I'll be happy to be wrong about her if that turns out being the case.  Regardless of what people may think of my opinion of her, it IS better than my opinion of Trump.  There is an opportunity to prove me wrong.  Yeah, she has a tough path to navigate, but at least there's a path.  With Trump, there is no path.  I don't even go into that stupid Trump threads.  He's not worth any of our time.  Those distinctions, I believe to be fair and reflective of what these two have earned.

 
- The often cited report released by Ken Starr that concluded suicide had an appendix that a federal judge took a unusual move to order included in the report, which systematically disputes the report
The comments of Patrick Knowlton, a grand jury witness who had been at the park where Foster's body was found, were included as part of Starr's Report over Starr's objection. Judge John D. Butzner wrote to Judges Peter Fay and David Sentelle after Knowlton submitted a motion that his comments be included as part of an appendix to the final report, "I suspect that if we deny this motion we will be charged as conspirators in the cover-up," and concluded "I suggest we let the motion and attachments speak for themselves."[14] Judge Peter Fay wrote that Knowlton contradicted "specific factual matters and takes issue with the very basics of the report" filed by Kenneth Starr.[15] Knowlton's comments were ordered[16] included as part of the official report on September 26, 1997. Two days later, Kenneth Starr filed a 9-page motion[17] to appeal that the comments by Knowlton not be included in the report. The next day, Starr's motion was denied[18] and Knowlton's comments were included as part of the final official Report on the Death of Vincent W. Foster.[19]

 
And just to add some clarity into your claims, let's take what I actually said about Vince Foster.  I do not support the view that the Clintons murdered him.  There isn't ample evidence. What I did say was:

- Lead prosecutor quit and cited evidence tampering (that was not widely known until this year)

- The often cited report released by Ken Starr that concluded suicide had an appendix that a federal judge took a unusual move to order included in the report, which systematically disputes the report

- A Secret Service agent testified under oath that Hillary's Chief of Staff took "two handfuls of folders" from his office the night he died.  That Chief of staff denied taking anything, also under oath.  I don't believe her.

I don't subscribe to any and all theories.  Clintons are just sketchy and I don't dismiss everything out of hand.

And there have been some recent deaths that are... Sketchy.  I don't dismiss the possibility of logical explanations.  Nor do I dismiss some may have been murdered for political motives.
:tinfoilhat:

 
I take the sworn testimony of a Secret Serviceman who gives the very specific detail "two handfuls of folders" over a Clinton aide.  As far as murders.  The Seth Rich death is awfully strange, especially in light of Julian Assange strongly implying he was the DNC leaker.  And some weeks before, the guy who was set to testify a week later in a bribery case tangentially linked to Clintons by weight lifting accident is also a bit convenient.  Neither may have anything directly to do with the Clintons, but could still be premeditated murders.

 
In a statement Friday morning, Powell's office said: "General Powell has no recollection of the dinner conversation. He did write former Secretary Clinton an email memo describing his use of his personal AOL email account for unclassified messages and how it vastly improved communications within the State Department. At the time there was no equivalent system within the Department. He used a secure State computer on his desk to manage classified information."
Lord. So no it never happened. The smart thing for Hillary is to not call Powell a liar when asked about this, and don't complain about interview notes being released, just move on.

 
Hillary not being in LA is a mistake.
I'm glad Obama's coming. With Trump and Hillary I'm of two minds. I think donations and assistance are still needed, or maybe a position on why our local skiffs are still called upon to help people when we have flooding 10 years after Katrina. I don't get that part; I'm more interested in reform - what are they going to do about it? Same goes for oil spills, I don't see where there's any improved federal response program for containing spilt oil. 

 
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Well, we should get to see Hillary spaz out on a state of the union speech since the odds of her talking that long without incident for 4 years are slim.

 
In a statement Friday morning, Powell's office said: "General Powell has no recollection of the dinner conversation. He did write former Secretary Clinton an email memo describing his use of his personal AOL email account for unclassified messages and how it vastly improved communications within the State Department. At the time there was no equivalent system within the Department.

He used a secure State computer on his desk to manage classified information."
;)

So. SOS Powell wrote a memo. Was that an 'email memo' as in he wrote her a memo by email? Or is that a traditional hard copy memo about email?

Hillary's emails before around March 18, 2009 are "missing."

 
As are all politicians who get to this point. The difference is Hillary has had her whole life exposed for 30 years as she's tried to become POS so we know a lot more about her than other candidates.
FYP for accuracy.  You can thank me by not liking this post.

 
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I'm glad Obama's coming. With Trump and Hillary I'm of two minds. I think donations and assistance are still needed, or maybe a position on why our local skiffs are still called upon to help people when we have flooding 10 years after Katrina. I don't get that part; I'm more interested in reform - what are they going to do about it? Same goes for oil spills, I don't see where there's any improved federal response program for containing spilt oil. 
How about not living below sea level?  

 
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