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Wow--what a beat down. Worse than I even thought. Where's this Hillary been? No shouting. Prepared. Not shouty. Can't contrast these two. He's done after tonight.
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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (13 Viewers)
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Grace Under Pressure
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I apologize to Hillary Clinton. She can be my President now.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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In a sane world. But how many times should this this have already been the case the past 15 months?Mr. Ham said:
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
He screwed up.Grace Under Pressure said:
timschochet
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I changed my title. It should be obvious to most people who watched the debate tonight that Hillary is qualified to be President, and Donald Trump is not. Hopefully her numbers will bounce back up after tonight.
cstu
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cstu
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Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
They are both bad, no denying that. She's still shady. But I think she can be president, and he just can't be. I do like him, but not for president.
Gawain
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I was a Bernie Bro and will be voting Johnson. I am not a Hillary supporter. She's going to take the lead off this and never look back.
He was such a disaster that I don't think a great performance in the next two will matter. There's no reason to watch.
cstu
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If Donald was my crazy grandpa I only saw every year at Thanksgiving that would be fine, not for President though.
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Thought it was interesting that she was flat out afraid a couple of times when she was exposed on TPP and email and Trump rambled when the jugular was exposed. That's said, that Hillary was Ali and could have fought anyone tonight.
I'm still disturbed that Hillay's staff destroyed evidence and think it needs to be investigated to its conclusion, but that non-shouty, incredibly prepared Hillary looked hella-Presidential and Trump looked like a schizophrenic.
Weird election cycle, but if I knew nothing about Hillary or the things she's done, I'd be very impressed by the quality of her debate performance. It was excellent. Credit where it's due.
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timschochet
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This was true in 1960. Nixon won the 2nd and 3rd debate but people had stopped watching.
It was NOT true in 1984 or 2012. In both cases, Reagan and Obama lost the first debate and then rebounded. But that might have been possible because they were incumbents.
cstu
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Both were also incumbents with economies better than when they took office, buys someone some debate leeway.
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Gawain
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He got his clock cleaned. I was/am as anti-Hillary as any sane person on the forum, but I'd vote for her if I wasn't in a solid blue state. I watched to see if there was any way Trump could sway me to voting for him. Put the worst stuff behind him. Yeah, that didn't happen.
His performance was so poor that he's not going to be able to move past this. I know that Obama's loss in the first '12 debate wasn't a slam dunk like this one was. IDK about '84, but it would be difficult for me to imagine a worse performance than what we saw.
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Trump cooked. Came off as a kook. That's not what surprised me... I expected that in a 90 minute homework review.
What I didn't expect is how in control, poised and frankly Presidential Hillary was. It was an exceptional performance. If she had a sense of her life's ambition culminating in that moment and having to bridle her ambition while remaining sharp, she killed.
She must have known early on that Cocaine Don had lost it and was going to be easy prey. Either way... Amazing coup de grace.
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Grace Under Pressure
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Agreed. I'm actually all for firing up the hearings the day after Inauguration Day. But let's get there first with the sane option.
ffldrew
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soothsayer
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I understand that Gary Johnson will not be elected, but I don't think your thread title is accurate given he's still a candidate.
timschochet
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timschochet
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So what happened to all the pneumonia talk?
Rohn Jambo
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squistion
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You are no better than Hell Toupee or Sinn Fein when you change the title to make some political point.
Leave at Official Hillary 2016 Thread. Please.
timschochet
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HellToupee
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squistion
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Clinton CRUSHES Trump in post-debate polls
There you have it, folks. The polls are in, and the viewers have rendered their verdict: It was an absolute slaughter. CNN's poll shows 62 percent of those who watches the first debate felt that Hillary Clinton won, while only 27 percent said that Trump was the victor. A separate poll from PPP, meanwhile, also gave a win to Clinton, by a 51-40 margin.
For once, the pundits, the pollsters, and the people all agree. Now let’s just see how Trump reacts tomorrow.
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tommyboy
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The General
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Trump lady with Hannity just complained that Clinton crammed her head full of facts fro the debate and that Hillary was very smug which isn't presidential.
Whatever they are paying her is not enough
Whatever they are paying her is not enough
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timschochet
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cstu
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Damn smug people and their facts.Trump lady with Hannity just complained that Clinton crammed her head full of facts fro the debate and that Hillary was very smug which isn't presidential.
Whatever they are paying her is not enough
Hillary's reaction.
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The Commish
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Baloney Sandwich
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I think last night's debate wasn't good for either candidate. Trump was a rambling idiot and Hillary was knowledgable on the facts, no doubt about it. However, the folks not voting for Hillary or those undecided I don't think ever question her knowledge. They certainly question her judgement and I don't she how she addressed that last night. I think Clinton's biggest issue is likability and connecting with voters. She tried to talk about her working class dad but that fell flat. I think she failed to connect with the voters, she really has a lot of Al Gore in her.
Perhaps Hillary gets a bump from last night but not enough to give her or her supporters a lot of breathing room. I can't see Trump getting a bump from last night, pretty sure he did them all beforehand. Then again, never under estimate the stupidity of the American voter.
I feel like Wikileaks poses the biggest threat to a Clinton win and the way this email story has continued to build I have to believe they have a release that will damage Hillary. I still think she wins but I no longer believe it will be an blowout.
Perhaps Hillary gets a bump from last night but not enough to give her or her supporters a lot of breathing room. I can't see Trump getting a bump from last night, pretty sure he did them all beforehand. Then again, never under estimate the stupidity of the American voter.
I feel like Wikileaks poses the biggest threat to a Clinton win and the way this email story has continued to build I have to believe they have a release that will damage Hillary. I still think she wins but I no longer believe it will be an blowout.
The Commish
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To be fair...he should. It was probably one of the dumbest things her campaign could have lied about and then the lie on top of it was pretty stupid too. Lots of things to bag on Trump for....making fun of this absurdity isn't one of them.
pantagrapher
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James Daulton
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The body double must have been working out. She looked to be in good shape last night.The body double does not have pneumonia.
Bob Magaw
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Who Won the Debate? Betting Markets Say Clinton
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/who-won-the-debate-betting-markets-say-clinton/
"Clinton’s odds of winning the election at Predictwise, which aggregates data from betting markets, moved from 69 percent before the debate to 73 percent in the hour after it ended."
"The prediction market at PredictIt also showed a lot of movement following the debate. According to their data, Trump’s betting odds plunged from 39 to 31 percent."
"As New York Times’ Nate Cohn pointed out, Clinton’s margin in the CNN/ORC poll following Monday’s debate is similar to Mitt Romney’s margin over Barack Obama in the first presidential debate of 2012. The polls immediately shifted, with Romney even briefly leading."
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