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Very good polling for Clinton over the last 48 hours or so. Two excellent ones today from A-rated pollsters- one from FDU giving Clinton a 9 point national lead, another from Monmouth giving her a narrow lead in Ohio (if she wins Ohio she's won in a blowout). Good enough to bump the 538 projections above 75% for polls-only, 72% for polls-plus and 82% for the "now-cast."

Trump will definitely have a chance to bounce back if he can somehow find a way to not act like Donald Trump in the last two debates, but things are moving the right direction.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Very good polling for Clinton over the last 48 hours or so. Two excellent ones today from A-rated pollsters- one from FDU giving Clinton a 9 point national lead, another from Monmouth giving her a narrow lead in Ohio (if she wins Ohio she's won in a blowout). Good enough to bump the 538 projections above 75% for polls-only, 72% for polls-plus and 82% for the "now-cast."

Trump will definitely have a chance to bounce back if he can somehow find a way to not act like Donald Trump in the last two debates, but things are moving the right direction.
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If they can somehow drug him and use a ventriloquist to make normal vanilla politician-speak come out of his mouth, then they might have a chance.

 
Liz Goodwin ‏@lizcgoodwin Oct 4

In NC, Clinton camp reports a 73% increase in mail ballot requests from black voters

and a 43% boost from Latinos
 
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timschochet said:
Good article on how this election is reshaping the electoral map: 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/clinton-and-trump-are-shuffling-the-electoral-map/502748/

The main point here, per the article, is that Trump vs Clinton is not creating new restructure; it's accelerating trends that were already in place: rust belt becoming more white and conservative (hence Trunp wins Ohio), sun belt becoming younger and more minority filled(hence Hillary wins Florida and North Carolina.) 

If Florida and North Carolina become regular blue states, it's hard to see how any Republican gets elected President in the foreseeable future. 
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It will happen...the plan has been in-place for a while...let in as many illegal aliens as possible...give them as much Public Assistance as possible...create an allegiance to the Democrat party...do everything possible to get them the right to vote...after that it is game, set and match as far as the Presidency is concerned...

 
Boston said:
It will happen...the plan has been in-place for a while...let in as many illegal aliens as possible...give them as much Public Assistance as possible...create an allegiance to the Democrat party...do everything possible to get them the right to vote...after that it is game, set and match as far as the Presidency is concerned...
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That is the hope. :thumbup:

 
Boston said:
Means to an ends...the Alinsky way...
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It works so why not?  You view Saul Alinsky as a boogeyman of sorts where as I view him as a street hero who understood how to navigate the halls of political power from ground up rather than top down.

 
Yet another publication breaks with its past to endorse Clinton. The Atlantic is endorsing a presidential candidate for only the third time in its history (other two were 1860 for Lincoln and 1964 for Johnson and against Goldwater).

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Boston said:
It will happen...the plan has been in-place for a while...let in as many illegal aliens as possible...give them as much Public Assistance as possible...create an allegiance to the Democrat party...do everything possible to get them the right to vote...after that it is game, set and match as far as the Presidency is concerned...
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They could give 70,000 families $1000 per month during their first year here to help them make ends meet... and all that money would be almost as much as the real estate tax breaks the Trump Organization has gotten from properties in New York over the years.  

Double the number of families and you can also include Trump's NOL from 1995.  

I'd rather give that money to 140,000 families looking to move here and make a better life for themselves and their children than work so hard to preserve the Trump family fortune.

I get being angry about government handouts to people who don't deserve it.  We just disagree on who the recipients are.

 
dutch said:
It works so why not?  You view Saul Alinsky as a boogeyman of sorts where as I view him as a street hero who understood how to navigate the halls of political power from ground up rather than top down.
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No...I think this mantra is the heart and soul of the democrat party...whatever means necessary just achieve your goal...whether it's telling the truth or not (like Obama with Obamacare) just get what you want and deal with the fall-out later...

 
Boston said:
No...I think this mantra is the heart and soul of the democrat party...whatever means necessary just achieve your goal...whether it's telling the truth or not (like Obama with Obamacare) just get what you want and deal with the fall-out later...
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No, the mantra of the Democrat party is "let's level the playing field."  To do that you sometimes have to swerve to avoid the roadblocks so you don't use up all your energy trying to pound through the obstacle.

 
dutch said:
It works so why not?  You view Saul Alinsky as a boogeyman of sorts where as I view him as a street hero who understood how to navigate the halls of political power from ground up rather than top down.
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Hey - you communists have to stick together, amiright?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
They could give 70,000 families $1000 per month during their first year here to help them make ends meet... and all that money would be almost as much as the real estate tax breaks the Trump Organization has gotten from properties in New York over the years.  

Double the number of families and you can also include Trump's NOL from 1995.  

I'd rather give that money to 140,000 families looking to move here and make a better life for themselves and their children than work so hard to preserve the Trump family fortune.

I get being angry about government handouts to people who don't deserve it.  We just disagree on who the recipients are.
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Not sure why you have to connect these issues...if you want to fix the tax code do it but that has nothing to do with illegal immigration...I have zero issues with fixing out current tax system but if Trump is playing by the rules than that's just the way it goes...as for that $1,000 I think there are plenty of citizens in need of it before we give it to someone who has entered the country illegally...

 
dutch said:
No, the mantra of the Democrat party is "let's level the playing field."  To do that you sometimes have to swerve to avoid the roadblocks so you don't use up all your energy trying to pound through the obstacle.
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That is NOT the mantra of the Democrat Party.  Not even close.   It's really "Corruption:  OK as long as it's our guy".

 
It will happen...the plan has been in-place for a while...let in as many illegal aliens as possible...give them as much Public Assistance as possible...create an allegiance to the Democrat party...do everything possible to get them the right to vote...after that it is game, set and match as far as the Presidency is concerned...
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What do you mean by "the plan has been in place for a while". Was the plan in place in 1986 when Reagan gave 3 million illegals access to public assistance?

If the "plan" was implemented sometime after 1986, then how do you explain the fact that Obama deported 2.5 million illegals from 2009-2015? Doesn't that go against "the plan"?

 
Boston said:
No...I think this mantra is the heart and soul of the democrat party...whatever means necessary just achieve your goal...whether it's telling the truth or not (like Obama with Obamacare) just get what you want and deal with the fall-out later...
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I'm not gonna defend the flawless virtue of the Democratic party. But given what we've seen from GOP party leadership reluctantly embracing and defending a completely full of #### huckster whom they clearly hate, often refuse to answer questions about, and in many cases refuse to even say they trust as commander in chief simply because they want to get a guy with an R by his name in the White House so they can achieve certain legislative and judicial goals ... this seems like kind of a weird time to level this accusation at the Democrats, no?

 
I'm not gonna defend the flawless virtue of the Democratic party. But given what we've seen from GOP party leadership reluctantly embracing and defending a completely full of #### huckster whom they clearly hate, often refuse to answer questions about, and in many cases refuse to even say they trust as commander in chief simply because they want to get a guy with an R by his name in the White House so they can achieve certain legislative and judicial goals ... this seems like kind of a weird time to level this accusation at the Democrats, no?
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Psychological Projection

 
TobiasFunke said:
I'm not gonna defend the flawless virtue of the Democratic party. But given what we've seen from GOP party leadership reluctantly embracing and defending a completely full of #### huckster whom they clearly hate, often refuse to answer questions about, and in many cases refuse to even say they trust as commander in chief simply because they want to get a guy with an R by his name in the White House so they can achieve certain legislative and judicial goals ... this seems like kind of a weird time to level this accusation at the Democrats, no?
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Two separate issues...I think the GOP is a complete and utter train-wreck...has been for awhile...they needed someone to come in and shake things up it's just unfortunate that it was someone like Trump...Also, Hill is no different than what you described...she just happens to be your huckster...

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I'm not gonna defend the flawless virtue of the Democratic party. But given what we've seen from GOP party leadership reluctantly embracing and defending a completely full of #### huckster whom they clearly hate, often refuse to answer questions about, and in many cases refuse to even say they trust as commander in chief simply because they want to get a guy with an R by his name in the White House so they can achieve certain legislative and judicial goals ... this seems like kind of a weird time to level this accusation at the Democrats, no?
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We have in NO WAY embraced Hillary Clinton. 

 
The "conservatives" around here are damn near as funny as those in Congress as they twist and turn and turn and try to avoid directly talking about Trump.  :lmao:

 
MaxThreshold said:
So clueless - squistion thinks there is no such thing as communists. 
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Not in this country. It is 2016, not the cold war era. In the past you have confused and equated Communism with Socialism, so not surprising that you see Communists as still existing in sufficient numbers in this nation to be concerned about.

 
I had only read portions of that Atlantic endorsement.  Got through the whole thing, and they did not pull any punches:
 

In its founding statement, The Atlantic promised that it would be “the organ of no party or clique,” and our interest here is not to advance the prospects of the Democratic Party, nor to damage those of the Republican Party. If Hillary Clinton were facing Mitt Romney, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or, for that matter, any of the leading candidates Trump vanquished in the Republican primaries, we would not have contemplated making this endorsement. We believe in American democracy, in which individuals from various parties of different ideological stripes can advance their ideas and compete for the affection of voters. But Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.
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Slapdash said:
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people that do believe it (like Tim) who continue to buy into the products of frauds like Paul Ryan
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I didn't say I believed it worked. I wrote that HE (Paul Ryan) believes it works.

Personally, I don't believe that it works in terms of reducing the deficit or debt. But I do think that cutting taxes and cutting regulation can spur the economy. In theory at least. The last attempt to actually do so (2001) didn't work as well as I would have hoped. 

 
Boston said:
No...I think this mantra is the heart and soul of the democrat party...whatever means necessary just achieve your goal...whether it's telling the truth or not (like Obama with Obamacare) just get what you want and deal with the fall-out later...
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Oh yeah, I've heard that - it's called marriage.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I had only read portions of that Atlantic endorsement.  Got through the whole thing, and they did not pull any punches:
 

Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.
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All true. Nice to see it put so succinctly. People should be meming/tweeting the heck out of that.

 
cstu said:
The last time (1984) there was a Communist candidate he got 36,386 votes.
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If they haven't run a candidate in 32 years, it doesn't seem like they are much of a political force any more (not that they ever were after WW2)

The Communist Party is probably analogous to another relic of the cold war, The John Birch Society, which still exists, but for all intents and purposes is pretty much dead as no one pays attention to their press releases outside of their scant membership that has a median age of 75.

 
This next debate should effectively bury Trump right?  Maybe he'll even start to significantly hurt the conservative down ticket as well.  Honestly, as much fun as it is to make fun of Trump and his supporters, I'll be extremely relieved when he's given the hook from our political discourse for good.

 
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cstu said:
The last time (1984) there was a Communist candidate he got 36,386 votes.
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1988


No candidate, supported Michael Dukakis


No candidate, supported Lloyd Bentsen


N/A


1992


No candidate, supported Bill Clinton


No candidate, supported Al Gore


1996


No candidate, supported Bill Clinton


No candidate, supported Al Gore


2000


No candidate, supported Al Gore


No candidate, supported Joe Lieberman


2004


No candidate, supported John Kerry


No candidate, supported John Edwards


2008


No candidate, supported Barack Obama


No candidate, supported Joe Biden


2012


No candidate, supported Barack Obama


No candidate, supported Joe Biden


2016


No candidate, supporting Hillary Clinton


No candidate, supporting Tim Kaine
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Uhhhmmm.... getting back to the original point....

 
and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.

So eloquent. This remains the best reason that those of you who detest Hillary Clinton should vote for her anyhow. If you choose not to vote for Hillary OR Trump, you are not helping Trump win, but you are not helping him lose either. Only by voting for Hillary are you actually helping Trump lose. And by helping Trump lose, you are acting in defense of American democracy. 

 
squistion said:
If they haven't run a candidate in 32 years, it doesn't seem like they are much of a political force any more (not that they ever were after WW2)

The Communist Party is probably analogous to another relic of the cold war, The John Birch Society, which still exists, but for all intents and purposes is pretty much dead as no one pays attention to their press releases outside of their scant membership that has a median age of 75.
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You said there aren't any communists in this country. You are wrong.

 
James Daulton said:
This next debate should effectively bury Trump right?  Maybe he'll even start to significantly hurt the conservative down ticket as well.  Honestly, as much fun as it is to make fun of Trump and his supporters, I'll be extremely relieved when he's given the hook from our political discourse for good.
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Traditionally, the loser of the first debate, does better in the second (see Obama in 2012). But this year the Trump candidacy has thrown tradition completely out the window, so who knows.

 
timschochet said:
:lmao:

I bet you were one of those dudes who were terrified of the two black panther guys that Fox showed thousands of times after the 2008 election. You were, weren't you? 
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What are you talking about? :rolleyes:

I pointed out Squissy was wrong and you try and equate that to me being terrified of black guys? Just pathetic, Tim.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Lee Oswald was a communist.
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After Oswald, who has been a high profile member of the Communist Party in the US since then? The only one I can think is Angela Davis and I am not even sure she is still a party member. Davis is still around and did endorse Hillary a few days ago, which means about as much as David Duke endorsing Trump.

 
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