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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (2 Viewers)

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TobiasFunke said:
Her tweets are almost entirely non-controversial as far as I can tell.  There's nothing in there about hot-button issues or candidates.  That's probably why the ones that have been hotlinked here mentioning Clinton are about feel-good stuff like women's conference awards and healthy kids. Go through the @FLOTUS account recently and see how much you find about any election/candidates or anything controversial.  I just wasted three minutes (emphasis on wasted) scrolling back to mid-summer and didn't see one.

In fact this is the first tweet of fitting that description that I found, although it's possible I missed something:

 
This is an exceptionally stupid discussion/theory.  You're better than this.
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I'm not making the claim or supporting the claim, I'm clarifying the claim as it's been expressed on the internet.  The amount of "give a ####" I have about whether the first lady tweets about Hillary Clinton is surpassed only by the amount I have for literally every single other thing in existence.

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Two weeks ago the main talking point from the Left was that Trump's suggestion (and any suggestion) that the election is rigged is beyond the pale and a danger to the integrity to our system.

This week's main talking point from the Left appears to be that James Comey is trying to rig the election.

So what happened to that moral stand about election rigging talk being beyond the pale?
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Now that you mention it, I just posted about this in the Trump thread this morning.  Would love to get some thoughts on it from Trump supporters.  I'll repost it here, since this seems to be where the Trump supporters are hanging out:

Here's a fascinating question about Trump that I haven't heard anyone bring up (maybe the only thing nobody's brought up about Trump) but probably is worth considering now that the race is tightening:

When Trump refused to say he would accept the results of the election, everyone kind of acted shocked but ultimately laughed it off because (1) at the time he was unlikely to win, and (2) from a practical standpoint it didn't matter if he accepted it or not, the process would name Clinton as the next president and the worst that could happen is some violent protests.

But what if he wins next week and then loses in 2020 and refuses to accept the results?  Now he's not just some sore loser with an army of idiots behind him.  Now he's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. The Attorney General is presumably Christie or some other Trump lackey.  He's even got some measure of control over the FEC by virtue of appointments.  This is a HUGE problem. I'd like to see someone bring it up now that the polls are tightening.  Not that Trump would respond, because he's a coward and refuses to take questions from anyone other than Hannity, but it should at least be discussed.
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To clarify/keep from offending anyone- the "idiots" I mentioned here would be the people supporting his claims that the election was rigged, not all Trump supporters. 
 
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Koya said:
They are pro-right wing.  They are pro-Republican.  They are pro-Nationalism. 

Even if that means pro-russia to serve those underlying priorities.  Nationalism and selfish pride above nation and sense of community.
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has it been established that the Russians are indeed behind the wikileaks?

seriously.

 
Koya said:
I've definitely reached the boiling point.  I am, no kidding, existentially concerned about the state of our nation and our future.  I'm concerned about a rollback of personal freedoms and liberties.  I'm scared about a rise of nationalism where my wife yesterday, in response to the vitriolic words of a Trump rallier made her, for the first time she can remember, be actually scared because we are Jewish.

I'm scared that a "role model" for much of our country gets a free pass from 40% of the country when he admits to sexually abusing women...and that concerns me about the future of women across this nation. How they will be treated, what rights they will or will not have. 

I'm scared that we have devolved as a nation to hate mongering based upon memes that can be directly traced back to Nazi propoganda and that mongering is being led and incited by one of our two Presidential nominees. 

I'm scared that we have someone who has admitted he "doesn't know why we don't use nukes" since we have them... and this guy is a narcissistic and unstable man that seemingly would stop at no lengths to appease his personal ego and need for gratification. 

I'm scared for probably another dozen plus reasons, it's less than a week from election day, and literally the rest of my life and the quality of that life in terms of freedom and equality for all hinges on whether we pick a career politician with all the ugly warts that sadly come with it, anointed by the Dems as the next chosen one, regardless of her legitimate issues (policy choices, shady establishment type dealings) or the illegitimate but from a PR perspective can't be ignored issues (how four terrible deaths in benghazi somehow become worse than, I don't know, dozens ... hundreds of operations overseas with the false pretense for invading Iraq to Beirut just a couple) or a megalomaniac that taps into the lowest common denominators of fear mongering, nationalism, sexism and racism.

So yes, you could say I've reached my boiling point.  Especially since neither of those two are my candidate of choice in this race.  I see Bill ####### Weld in all his moderate Republican logical approach that seems to emanate from a person of true humanity, then I look at Clinton and I get angry... I then look at Trump and the pot boils over. 
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This is a joke, right? Has to be  :lmao:

 
Henry Ford said:
It's important to remember that he's going to need to win:

Florida,Georgia,Ohio,North Carolina and

all but 11 electoral votes of New Hampshire, Vermont, Iowa, Wisconsin, Utah, Nevada, AZ, and the Maine/Nebraska split votes.
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Unless he can win somewhere like Pennsylvania.  

ETA: I figured Dodds would have an election dominator or something figured out already.  

 
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Koya said:
It was a series of questions last week. Literally between a half dozen or dozen in a number of posts.  To the point where I probably asked (nicely, well, sorta nicely.. before getting curt as frustration built) half a dozen times to just answer my question(s).

If you really want I'll try to uncover, but these pages move pretty quick so I'd have to dig.  Don't mind doing it though. 
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It's up to you...thought I'd give it a whirl.  If it's about emails, I'll tell you now, my POV wasn't about email content.  I don't really care what's in them.  I do care about what it seems to show as it pertains to judgment and character.  If interested, fire away and I can give you my :2cents:  

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Two weeks ago the main talking point from the Left was that Trump's suggestion (and any suggestion) that the election is rigged is beyond the pale and a danger to the integrity to our system.

This week's main talking point from the Left appears to be that James Comey is trying to rig the election.

So what happened to that moral stand about election rigging talk being beyond the pale?
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False equivalency.

Trump's suggestion was not beyond the pale, it was unrealistic, as to rig the election would involve bribing possibly hundreds of officials in each state.  The logistics would make that extremely unlikely and not everyone would take a bribe, some would come forward to the press, and if you are looking for an October surprise that would be it.

The talking point about Comey is that his actions were improper (whether intentionally or not) and a violation of governmental procedures/protocols that may influence the election, which is not the same as rigging it. Rigging involves "fixing" the vote outcome, not influencing it by an improper public statement.

 
Card Trader said:
This is a joke, right? Has to be  :lmao:
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You're laughing at the notion of Jews being frightened by the Trump movement?

If you're interested in understanding why that might be the case I'd be happy to give you as many examples as you could want of everything from conspiracy-minded antisemitism to straight up threats of violence and calls for another Holocaust.  Some of the former come from prominent political advisors and media types in/affiliated with the Trump camp.  This is not a couple of lone wolf crazies out there who happen to be Trump supporters.

You might disagree with the idea that someone like Koya's wife should feel threatened by it (although I'm not sure how you could know).  But laughing at it?  :thumbdown:

 
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TobiasFunke said:
You're laughing at the notion of Jews being frightened by the Trump movement?

If you're interesting in understanding why that might be the case I'd be happy to give you as many examples as you could want of everything from conspiracy-minded antisemitism to straight up threats of violence and calls for another Holocaust.  Some of the former come from prominent political advisors and media types in/affiliated with the Trump camp.  This is not a couple of lone wolf crazies out there who happen to be Trump supporters.

You might disagree with the idea that someone like Koya's wife should feel threatened by it (although I'm not sure how you could know).  But laughing at it?  :thumbdown:
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:lmao:

 
TobiasFunke said:
You're laughing at the notion of Jews being frightened by the Trump movement?

If you're interesting in understanding why that might be the case I'd be happy to give you as many examples as you could want of everything from conspiracy-minded antisemitism to straight up threats of violence and calls for another Holocaust.  Some of the former come from prominent political advisors and media types in/affiliated with the Trump camp.  This is not a couple of lone wolf crazies out there who happen to be Trump supporters.

You might disagree with the idea that someone like Koya's wife should feel threatened by it (although I'm not sure how you could know).  But laughing at it?  :thumbdown:
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I'm laughing at it because it's ridiculous. Clearly he's being facetious.

 
Opie said:
Yeah....I kinda steered clear of the Godzillas, Lex Luthors, and meteors and limited my reply options to politicians.
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Then you still show a limited imagination. 

The liberal wing of the Democratic party is preparing to fight Hillary from day one. I believe her damage can generally be mitigated. Not stopped completely but limites somewhat and that she will get primaried in 2020 if she goes to far.

I don't believe the same applies to Trump. I don't think the GOP will stand up to him if he wins and in fact I expect him to try to politically destroy all who didn't kiss his ### enough.

 
Card Trader said:
I'm laughing at it because it's ridiculous. Clearly he's being facetious.
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He's not, it isn't isolated, and it isn't ridiculous.  A large number of Trump supporters have been lobbing antisemitic insults and threats at Jews throughout the country and over the internet for some time, and are likely to be further emboldened by a Trump win.

 
NCCommish said:
I don't believe the same applies to Trump. I don't think the GOP will stand up to him if he wins and in fact I expect him to try to politically destroy all who didn't kiss his ### enough.
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BONUS!!  I have no love for the GOP either.  They wouldn't stand up to Obama...I expect the same when it comes to Trump.

When Trump said that he would "drain the swamp"...I hope that he meant the ENTIRE swamp.  Not just scrape the scum that has accumulated in a certain area.

 
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Northern Voice said:
National security is of the utmost importance to me, so I will vote for the guy who provokes terrorists, the guy with very obvious ties to Vladimir Putin, the guy who will isolate us from our traditional allies, the guy who may withdraw from NATO, the guy who can't bring up the nuclear option fast enough, because the other candidate had some emails on a server they shouldn't have been on (despite the initial investigation not finding a crime). 
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Vox did a video today basically echoing all my points above.

 
All exotics, such as "Democrats win by N electoral votes", "Democrats win by N percentage points", and "Trump wins popular vote but loses electoral college", are off the board at sportsbook.ag.

 
tonydead said:
Unless he can win somewhere like Pennsylvania.  

ETA: I figured Dodds would have an election dominator or something figured out already.  
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As for the election dominator, go to 270towin.com.  You can change state colors to your heart's content and look for ways to win.

 
Henry Ford said:
He's not, it isn't isolated, and it isn't ridiculous.  A large number of Trump supporters have been lobbing antisemitic insults and threats at Jews throughout the country and over the internet for some time, and are likely to be further emboldened by a Trump win.
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Not on the internet! :eek: :shock: :jawdrop:

 
Koya said:
While any legit information uncovered, even by unsavory means, need be acknowledged, the FERVOR with which folks are actively pulling form information that has been proven to be disseminated for no other reason than to interfere with our election is, honestly, disgusting.

I remember when we used to stand on common ground against forces looking to undercut our national interests and security... not a time like now, when partisans will let loose the floodgates of that very behavior so long as it serves their personal political agenda. 

Honestly, this is maybe one of the greatest and most sad and impactful takeaways I have from this election.  Seriously, we used to stand together against this ####... now a third of the nation is actively encouraging it.  Please don't feed me any bull####, EVER, about being Patriotic.  Not when you have been so clearly aligned with Party not only above nation, but at the expense of it.
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To this topic of impacting our elections.  I'm not sure there is a logical position other than to accept it as part of the political landscape now.  There's NOTHING you or I can say about it and that's because our country meddles all over the place.  Our government has brought this on themselves.  We don't have to be for it, but we have to accept it.  IMO, anyone #####ing and moaning about this type of interference in our elections better be pounding that same drum when we are meddling in other countries and their political endeavors.  This particular topic isn't about political party.  It's about government interaction with other governments.  Our collective government has helped establish a new norm on the international political stage.

 
Henry Ford said:
He's not, it isn't isolated, and it isn't ridiculous.  A large number of Trump supporters have been lobbing antisemitic insults and threats at Jews throughout the country and over the internet for some time, and are likely to be further emboldened by a Trump win.
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There is a chilling interview on fresh air last week with Bill Kristol about the alt right trolling he and his family have endured during this campaign. It's a must listen. 

 
Card Trader said:
I'm laughing at it because it's ridiculous. Clearly he's being facetious.
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Facetious

Facetious

Facetious

Facetious

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Facetious

Look, you're obviously free to disagree with the idea that the antisemitism of Trump's supporter base and some of his staff and media supporters is a significant concern.  But you, a non-Jew (I'm assuming), mocking a poster's Jewish wife for expressing concern about stuff like this? Come on.

This thread always turns into a cesspool when the polls tighten, but this latest stretch is the worst yet. Not just turning a blind eye to this stuff, but mocking others who express concern about it?  Might be time for me to check out.

 
Henry Ford said:
He's not, it isn't isolated, and it isn't ridiculous.  A large number of Trump supporters have been lobbing antisemitic insults and threats at Jews throughout the country and over the internet for some time, and are likely to be further emboldened by a Trump win.
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Over the internet  :lmao:

Since we judge our candidates by their supporters we should all be "scared" of rioting and looting non stop and inciting violence in protests if Shillary is elected?  A few nuts that support Trump scream some stupid stuff about Jews and you guys get all worked up like Trump is going to start rounding them up when he takes office.  It's silly and deserves to be laughed at.

 
Card Trader said:
Over the internet  :lmao:

Since we judge our candidates by their supporters we should all be "scared" of rioting and looting non stop and inciting violence in protests if Shillary is elected?  A few nuts that support Trump scream some stupid stuff about Jews and you guys get all worked up like Trump is going to start rounding them up when he takes office.  It's silly and deserves to be laughed at.
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When an internet threat is publication of one's home address and photos of one's family, with a request that people in the area do you harm, it's reasonable to be frightened by it.  If you don't understand that, I'm not sure this discussion will be very fruitful.

 
Henry Ford said:
When an internet threat is publication of one's home address and photos of one's family, with a request that people in the area do you harm, it's reasonable to be frightened by it.  If you don't understand that, I'm not sure this discussion will be very fruitful.
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Blame the person making the threats.  It's ridiculous to associate it to trump because the guy supports trump. The guy probably eats pizza too. Are all pizza eaters violent towards Jews?  The ridiculous bait is the reason this thread gets so many  :lmao:

 
Card Trader said:
Over the internet  :lmao:

Since we judge our candidates by their supporters we should all be "scared" of rioting and looting non stop and inciting violence in protests if Shillary is elected?  A few nuts that support Trump scream some stupid stuff about Jews and you guys get all worked up like Trump is going to start rounding them up when he takes office.  It's silly and deserves to be laughed at.
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I bet you're a straight white Christian male.

You know how I know that?  Because they're pretty much the only people who ever say stuff like this about someone else's concerns about discrimination.  Must just be a crazy coincidence.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I bet you're a straight white Christian male.

You know how I know that?  Because they're pretty much the only people who ever say stuff like this about someone else's concerns about discrimination.  Must just be a crazy coincidence.
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I'm a straight white male, you got the Christian part wrong...BIGLY

 
TobiasFunke said:
I bet you're a straight white Christian male.

You know how I know that?  Because they're pretty much the only people who ever say stuff like this about someone else's concerns about discrimination.  Must just be a crazy coincidence.
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From everything he has ever said on this forum?

 
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The Commish said:
It's up to you...thought I'd give it a whirl.  If it's about emails, I'll tell you now, my POV wasn't about email content.  I don't really care what's in them.  I do care about what it seems to show as it pertains to judgment and character.  If interested, fire away and I can give you my :2cents:  
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Since it's literally a hundred pages ago, no way I can find. 

What got things started was the fact that WR was accusing me of only attacking those who were against something I loved... insinuating that I was a Hillary supporter (and an ardent one at that).  I asked him to clarify, what is it that I "loved" - because as a non Hillary supporter (she's just a thousand times better than Trump, I'm voting for the Libertarian ticket as I did in 2012), his entire premise seemed to be wrong and confused.  I believe I asked him this about 3 times, he never even bothered responding with an answer.  Convenient.

Then there was back and forth where a number of folks wouldn't answer basic questions like:

You say Trump is going to stand up for the little guy - can you give me ANY concrete examples in his 7 decades on this earth to support that contention.  :crickets:

How do you address / dismiss the many on the record claims of Trump absolutely screwing the little guy as his ordinary way of doing business, especially as it pertains to comments about how Trump is better for the working man / little guy

How do you explain that Hillary has been targeted by the right for 3 decades, and still nothing has actually been proven? NO one is under that microscope and if there were anything of real substance, wouldn't she have been burned ONCE? And Burned means through the judicial system, not an inflammatory claim by Breitbart.

How can Trump supporters reconcile that he actually cares about those who are not like him - the poor, minorities etc - when his clear actions (from shady and proven discriminatory business practices in real estate, his on the record comments and statements and his admitted history of assaulting women).

Were a series of questions like that, and there was a simple refusal to even engage in discourse. I don't see anything out of bounds with questions of this type... but when your canned response barely gets past a :lmao:  at some point is it not fair to question one's refusal to engage in an earnest discussion and not just gloss over the issues or avoid the discussion to begin with. Save that for the only speak in emoticon's thread if that's all you have to bring to the table.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I bet you're a straight white Christian male.

You know how I know that?  Because they're pretty much the only people who ever say stuff like this about someone else's concerns about discrimination.  Must just be a crazy coincidence.
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The only class of people you can bash guilt free, eh? How progressive of you. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Blame the person making the threats.  It's ridiculous to associate it to trump because the guy supports trump. The guy probably eats pizza too. Are all pizza eaters violent towards Jews?  The ridiculous bait is the reason this thread gets so many  :lmao:
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I do blame the person making the threats.  I also know that when a candidate is elected with a strong base of support from these sorts of organizations, it leads to emboldening the organizations and the ideologies behind them.  It's certainly something the south has seen with a number of candidates.  Which is why most candidates denounce those organizations.  

 
Mr. Ham said:
Major Wikileaks release.   October 2015, Podesta attached an AFL-CIO memo claiming Hillary's public position on TPP is a front to "get labor off her back", and that she will reverse position once in the White House.  Nothing that will shock anyone, but still.  To have it documented...

Squiz can find a link.  It's blowing up Twitter.
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Thank god we dodged that Bernie Sanders bullet.  Imagine the scandals that guy would have dogging his campaign.

 
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