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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (4 Viewers)

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Opie said:
Hillary's a criminal and Trump is an ### hole..

Want to talk issues?

Today is November 1.  Obamacare open enrollment is now open.

Hillary wants to double down

Trump wants to scrap it
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Actually I think Hillary wants to let it burn to the ground and let the Repubs do the demolition so she can replace it with something else.

 
Hang 10 said:
The only class of people you can bash guilt free, eh? How progressive of you. 
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It's an observation. The only people I've ever seen mock someone else's concerns about hate speech or open discrimination are straight white people, almost always Christians or athiests/agnostics who grew up Christian, and mostly men.

It's only "bashing" if you admit the behavior in question (mocking Koya's wife's concerns) is a negative thing.  If it's not ... if as Card Trader says the post deserved to be mocked ... then how is it "bashing"?

 
The Commish said:
To this topic of impacting our elections.  I'm not sure there is a logical position other than to accept it as part of the political landscape now.  There's NOTHING you or I can say about it and that's because our country meddles all over the place.  Our government has brought this on themselves.  We don't have to be for it, but we have to accept it.  IMO, anyone #####ing and moaning about this type of interference in our elections better be pounding that same drum when we are meddling in other countries and their political endeavors.  This particular topic isn't about political party.  It's about government interaction with other governments.  Our collective government has helped establish a new norm on the international political stage.
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We are to accept that 30% of OUR countrymen want to assist foreign interests in their effort to influence our nation?

I can live with the reality that political subtrefuge always has and always will exist.

I can not so easily live with how many willing enablers we have, including some on these boards, that at best welcome, and quite possible assist (not board members here to clarify) in that foreign interest doing so, at the expense of the legitimacy of our elections, our democracy and our nation. Where the #### is the outrage, as Americans, from the right on this? Their silence is deafening, and utterly saddening for me, personally.

Does that make sense?

 
TobiasFunke said:
It's an observation. The only people I've ever seen mock someone else's concerns about hate speech or open discrimination are straight white people, almost always Christians or athiests/agnostics who grew up Christian, and mostly men.

It's only "bashing" if you admit the behavior in question (mocking Koya's wife's concerns) is a negative thing.  If it's not ... if as Card Trader says the post deserved to be mocked ... then how is it "bashing"?
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Just an observation? Sounds bigoted to just paint a huge group of people with such a broad brush like that. But like I said, white hetrosexual males aren't protected by the SJW's. 

 
Opie said:
DAYAM!
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Claims that Clinton Foundation pays women less based on limited data, methodology issues and does not demonstrate evidence of hypocrisy per Politifact:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-clinton-foundation-pays-top-wome/

Our ruling

Trump’s post said, "Hypocrisy at the Clinton Foundation: Top male staff made on average $218,029 while top female staff made $153,014 from 2010-2014."

If you allow some leeway on what accounts for top staff, Trump is close on the numbers. But the statistical pool is too limited and the methodology is too crude to demonstrate evidence of hypocrisy. Trump is guilty of ignoring the nuances of gender-based wage disparities, just as Democrats often over-simplify the meaning of the 77-cent figure.

The statement is partially accurate but takes things out of context, so we rate it Half True.

 
TobiasFunke said:
It's an observation. The only people I've ever seen mock someone else's concerns about hate speech or open discrimination are straight white people, almost always Christians or athiests/agnostics who grew up Christian, and mostly men.

It's only "bashing" if you admit the behavior in question (mocking Koya's wife's concerns) is a negative thing.  If it's not ... if as Card Trader says the post deserved to be mocked ... then how is it "bashing"?
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Tobias, a/s/l?

 
Hang 10 said:
Just an observation? Sounds bigoted to just paint a huge group of people with such a broad brush like that. But like I said, white hetrosexual males aren't protected by the SJW's. 
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Painted with the "broad brush" of personal observations of behavior?

I tried to have a reasonable discussion about how different perspectives affect people's perceptions of the dangers of hate speech and discrimination. If you prefer to play fake victim to clear the way for posters to mock people for being concerned about anti-Semitism, have at it. I give up.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Painted with the "broad brush" of personal observations of behavior?

I tried to have a reasonable discussion about how different perspectives affect people's perceptions of the dangers of hate speech and discrimination. If you prefer to play fake victim to clear the way for posters to mock people for being concerned about anti-Semitism, have at it. I give up.
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Mocking fear mongering isn't exclusive to any group. It's just very telling that you single someone out as a straight white Christian as if it's an insult. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
Painted with the "broad brush" of personal observations of behavior?

I tried to have a reasonable discussion about how different perspectives affect people's perceptions of the dangers of hate speech and discrimination. If you prefer to play fake victim to clear the way for posters to mock people for being concerned about anti-Semitism, have at it. I give up.
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:lmao:

Did you guys get together and agree to flood the thread with ridiculous crap to deflect attention away from Hillary's criminal empire? I hope so. The drama is real today. 

 
SacramentoBob said:
I don't find it likely that a career businessman is going to start lobbing nukes at people.
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You don't know much about his business track record, on the record comments about how vengeful he is nor the emotionally fueled listen to the last person talking in his ear off the cuff approach Trump takes to well, anything?

Also, LOL at career businessman.  If Trump should be applauded for something, it's his recognition that his skillset was not at all tuned for sustained business success... but damn could he self promote. And he built a brand empire by doing so, which overcame his inadequacies as a businessman. Until he decided to run for president and destroy the very brand that made him such a success (monetarily, and, as or more important for Trump, in terms of exposure in the media)

 
Koya said:
We are to accept that 30% of OUR countrymen want to assist foreign interests in their effort to influence our nation?

I can live with the reality that political subtrefuge always has and always will exist.

I can not so easily live with how many willing enablers we have, including some on these boards, that at best welcome, and quite possible assist (not board members here to clarify) in that foreign interest doing so, at the expense of the legitimacy of our elections, our democracy and our nation. Where the #### is the outrage, as Americans, from the right on this? Their silence is deafening, and utterly saddening for me, personally.

Does that make sense?
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so has it been established that the Russians are behind the email leaks?  You keep mentioning all the meddling by foreign govenments influencing our election.

 
Koya said:
You don't know much about his business track record, on the record comments about how vengeful he is nor the emotionally fueled listen to the last person talking in his ear off the cuff approach Trump takes to well, anything?

Also, LOL at career businessman.  If Trump should be applauded for something, it's his recognition that his skillset was not at all tuned for sustained business success... but damn could he self promote. And he built a brand empire by doing so, which overcame his inadequacies as a businessman. Until he decided to run for president and destroy the very brand that made him such a success (monetarily, and, as or more important for Trump, in terms of exposure in the media)
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:lmao:

 
Card Trader said:
Over the internet  :lmao:

Since we judge our candidates by their supporters we should all be "scared" of rioting and looting non stop and inciting violence in protests if Shillary is elected?  A few nuts that support Trump scream some stupid stuff about Jews and you guys get all worked up like Trump is going to start rounding them up when he takes office.  It's silly and deserves to be laughed at.
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Yes when a candidate not only emboldens but fans the flames by essentially encouraging it, it is very different than normal and extremely dangerous.  

 
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Koya said:
You don't know much about his business track record, on the record comments about how vengeful he is nor the emotionally fueled listen to the last person talking in his ear off the cuff approach Trump takes to well, anything?

Also, LOL at career businessman.  If Trump should be applauded for something, it's his recognition that his skillset was not at all tuned for sustained business success... but damn could he self promote. And he built a brand empire by doing so, which overcame his inadequacies as a businessman. Until he decided to run for president and destroy the very brand that made him such a success (monetarily, and, as or more important for Trump, in terms of exposure in the media)
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He's still not going to start lobbing nukes at people.

Anytime we have these discussions about Iran and N Korea, the left wants to paint them as rational actors who won't nuke anyone.  But somehow Trump is going to be the one to set off WW3.

Just stop with this nonsense.

 
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irishidiot said:
so has it been established that the Russians are behind the email leaks?  You keep mentioning all the meddling by foreign govenments influencing our election.
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Yes. Going back some time (and I think even "re" quoted in this very thread sometime yesterday) was the confirmation from one of our national security agencies, or a number of them, don't recall, that the Russians were interfering.  

As to this latest round we can only conjecture, but it's the same players re: wikileaks/assange, same style etc.

To answer your question though, yes, it's been stated on the record by our national security agencies (perhaps on more than one occasion) that there are Russian actors behind at least some of the leaks. 

Some would prefer to not even indulge that possibility as it hurts their political agenda. Personally, that's pathetic, but what can I do. I'm a ####### left-leaning libertarian stuck in an establishment world that's been hijacked by the lowest common denominators of emotion and fear over discourse and governance.

 
Mr. Ham said:
Major Wikileaks release.   October 2015, Podesta attached an AFL-CIO memo claiming Hillary's public position on TPP is a front to "get labor off her back", and that she will reverse position once in the White House.  Nothing that will shock anyone, but still.  To have it documented...

Squiz can find a link.  It's blowing up Twitter.
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As usual, not much of an explosion, haven't even seen it trending the last few hours.

 
Mr. Ham said:
CNN Commentator Hugh Hewitt *reportedly* (source DC Whispers, not confirmed) says his sources tell him the FBI asked the DOJ to convene a Grand Jury pertaining to the Foundation (meaning they believed there is basis for a prosecutable case).  DOJ said no.
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This would be consistent with other reporting about the Foundation investigation being hogtied.

 
Northern Voice said:
So if you don't believe the things he has said about foreign policy, do you have any idea what his foreign policy actually would be? Does anyone even care?
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This is what I just have trouble understanding.  Everything he says is 'just a joke' to his supporters.  Can you imagine if Hilary stood up 4 years ago and said 'you know what, let Russia take over Europe, what do we care.  While we are at it let's just make sure everyone has nukes and we should use ours more often.  What's the downside?"

 
killface said:
It's funny how there is this urge to just ignore what he said by his supporters.  Common sense and Trump are in opposing corners of the spectrum.
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It's funny how the basis of Hillary supporters about Trump has been nothing but fear mongering HITLER! and "He has the key to the codes". But keep living in your apocalyptic wasteland of a Trump presidency.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I bet you're a straight white Christian male.

You know how I know that?  Because they're pretty much the only people who ever say stuff like this about someone else's concerns about discrimination.  Must just be a crazy coincidence.
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Dude, you're really showing how much your extreme partisanship blinds you to the world and your own actions.  Over the course of our lives we've all seen numerous instances of white, Christian males stating that they've been discriminated against only to have non-white, non-Christian, and non-males suggest that their complaint is "silly and deserves to be laughed at".  Hell, we've all seen you take that exact position.

 
killface said:
This is what I just have trouble understanding.  Everything he says is 'just a joke' to his supporters.  Can you imagine if Hilary stood up 4 years ago and said 'you know what, let Russia take over Europe, what do we care.  While we are at it let's just make sure everyone has nukes and we should use ours more often.  What's the downside?"
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:lmao:

 
Card Trader said:
:lmao:
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killface said:
There is no response to that kind of dumb post...good for you.  
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Really? Explain why? everything I stated is very well known, well documented and honestly, pretty much accepted throughout the NYC business and real estate communities.  

And then people wonder why it's frustrating when posters have nothing to reply with but an emoticon. Again, if I'm so clearly in the wrong, state your case. Otherwise just continue to look as if you have none or are too cowardly to engage in a legit discussion.  

Take issue with my post, have the guts and fortitude to dismiss my with some facts, some logic, some reason.  Instead, repeated avoidance of doing so lends one to think perhaps you have none of the above. 

But again, my post and rationale is there for all to say... knock me down a few pegs with something of substance... unless there is nothing of substance at all.

 
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