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Koya said:
Really? Explain why? everything I stated is very well known, well documented and honestly, pretty much accepted throughout the NYC business and real estate communities.  

And then people wonder why it's frustrating when posters have nothing to reply with but an emoticon. Again, if I'm so clearly in the wrong, state your case. Otherwise just continue to look as if you have none or are too cowardly to engage in a legit discussion.  

Take issue with my post, have the guts and fortitude to dismiss my with some facts, some logic, some reason.  Instead, repeated avoidance of doing so lends one to think perhaps you have none of the above. 

But again, my post and rationale is there for all to say... knock me down a few pegs with something of substance... unless there is nothing of substance at all.
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:lmao:

 
SacramentoBob said:
He's still not going to start lobbing nukes at people.

Anytime we have these discussions about Iran and N Korea, the left wants to paint them as rational actors who won't nuke anyone.  But somehow Trump is going to be the one to set off WW3.

Just stop with this nonsense.
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It's not that he's going to start lobbing nukes but that by removing nuclear protection in Asia, those countries will have to develop their own nuclear weapons/defence system to deal with N Korea and the prospect of a nuclear arms race in Asia is kind of not great. Similarly, by withdrawing from NATO and not backing their countries against Putin, he makes Russia a lot stronger and creates instability in Europe. So he likely won't start WW3 but he may make decisions that destabilize parts of the world that eventually lead to more global conflict and more countries with nukes. This is all based on things he has said.

 
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Koya said:
How do you explain that Hillary has been targeted by the right for 3 decades, and still nothing has actually been proven? NO one is under that microscope and if there were anything of real substance, wouldn't she have been burned ONCE? And Burned means through the judicial system, not an inflammatory claim by Breitbart.
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Thanks Koya....Trump's a POS and I have no desire in discussing him or defending him.  That's for the complete idiots so I'll leave that to Trump supporters.  I'm just your average idiot in that respect.  To the part above MANY of us have tried a good bit to talk about Hillary and her actions from a character, judgment, ethics POV.  This is because it's clear that she knows exactly where to draw the line between legal and illegal.  Things can be legal and still wrong in this country.  I get why people don't want to go here though.  IMO, there has been plenty that would qualify as "real substance" if you look at things from a character, judgment, ethics, knowledge POV.  As it stands right now the ONLY reason she's not been prosecuted on the emails is because Comey essentially accepted ignorance as a defense.  She didn't know what she was doing and he saw no evidence that she was doing things to intentionally hurt the country.

Personally, I get what he's saying, but for me, ignorance isn't ever a defense for anyone.  I can even buy that she didn't know what kind of security risks she was posing.  If that's true, that in and of itself is terribly troubling to me given where technology is progressing to in this country and around the world.  IMO, this is the equivalent of a child saying to their parent "Gee Dad, I didn't know if I left the door open the dog could get out".  Really?  That lack of knowledge is unacceptable.  So, if that's her position, fine.  IMO, that's worse than fessing up and saying "I did it because I didn't want people rooting around in my emails".  That would at least demonstrate a little bit of knowledge on the subject.

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Dude, you're really showing how much your extreme partisanship blinds you to the world and your own actions.  Over the course of our lives we've all seen numerous instances of white, Christian males stating that they've been discriminated against only to have non-white, non-Christian, and non-males suggest that their complaint is "silly and deserves to be laughed at".  Hell, we've all seen you take that exact position.
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Um, well maybe because it is silly and deserves to be laughed at.

Oh, those poor, oppressed white Christian males.  :violin:

I might suggest that they knell during the national anthem in protest, but people might mistakenly think they support the BLM movement.

 
killface said:
This is what I just have trouble understanding.  Everything he says is 'just a joke' to his supporters.  Can you imagine if Hilary stood up 4 years ago and said 'you know what, let Russia take over Europe, what do we care.  While we are at it let's just make sure everyone has nukes and we should use ours more often.  What's the downside?"
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I'm not a Trump supporter, and I don't think it's just a joke. He just like to talk a bunch of #### and be inflammatory.  He likes the spotlight.  He wants to be on Oprah giving interviews..  He's more of a pop celebrity running for President than anything else.  I don't even think he wanted to be President, he just wanted to run for President.  

And Team Clinton did their best to prop him up as they saw him as a very beatable opponent.  Will be hilarious to watch that backfire in her corrupt ####### face.

 
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Northern Voice said:
It's not that he's going to start lobbing nukes but that by removing nuclear protection in Asia, those countries will have to develop their own nuclear weapons/defence system to deal with N Korea and the prospect of a nuclear arms race in Asia is kind of not great. Similarly, by withdrawing from NATO and not backing their countries against Putin, he makes Russia a lot stronger and creates instability in Europe. So he likely won't start WW3 but he may make decisions that destabilize parts of the world that eventually lead to more global conflict and more countries with nukes. This is all based on things he has said.
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But North Korea is a rational actor and isn't going to nuke anyone.

 
Koya said:
We are to accept that 30% of OUR countrymen want to assist foreign interests in their effort to influence our nation?

I can live with the reality that political subtrefuge always has and always will exist.

I can not so easily live with how many willing enablers we have, including some on these boards, that at best welcome, and quite possible assist (not board members here to clarify) in that foreign interest doing so, at the expense of the legitimacy of our elections, our democracy and our nation. Where the #### is the outrage, as Americans, from the right on this? Their silence is deafening, and utterly saddening for me, personally.

Does that make sense?
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How do you get to the bold?  Because that's the number that support Trump?  That seems like a leap to me.  We have tons of willing enablers on all sides.  Anyone who "holds their nose and votes for....." or "doesn't vote for candidate x rather against candidate y"  or "votes the lesser of two evils"....all enablers.  They enable by allowing the bar to be set at those levels.

To the topic of interference, I share your frustration personally, but the silence is from all sides.  I haven't heard of any meaningful actions our government is planning on taking against Russia, none.  "Where the #### is the outrage?" indeed....been looking for a response from our government for a while now...left with :crickets: 

 
Gary Coal Man said:
Dude, you're really showing how much your extreme partisanship blinds you to the world and your own actions.  Over the course of our lives we've all seen numerous instances of white, Christian males stating that they've been discriminated against only to have non-white, non-Christian, and non-males suggest that their complaint is "silly and deserves to be laughed at".  Hell, we've all seen you take that exact position.
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This is a fair point.  I should have focused on victimization by hate speech rather than vague "discrimination." Or better yet just dropped the "I bet you're a ....." line of argument entirely.  It was a weak one and took the discussion in the wrong direction.

None of this makes it more palatable that people are mocking someone for expressing legitimate concerns about a campaign that seems to have unearthed anti-Semitism to a degree well anything any of us have ever personally experienced before.  If you can read those links I provided on the last page after someone said such concerns were "facetious" and still want to mock those concerns, :shrug:

 
The Commish said:
How do you get to the bold?  Because that's the number that support Trump?  That seems like a leap to me.  We have tons of willing enablers on all sides.  Anyone who "holds their nose and votes for....." or "doesn't vote for candidate x rather against candidate y"  or "votes the lesser of two evils"....all enablers.  They enable by allowing the bar to be set at those levels.

To the topic of interference, I share your frustration personally, but the silence is from all sides.  I haven't heard of any meaningful actions our government is planning on taking against Russia, none.  "Where the #### is the outrage?" indeed....been looking for a response from our government for a while now...left with :crickets: 
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Yes, just a round number that represents 60-70% of Trump supporters. Obviously ballparking and I don't want to get into a pissing match about the exact percentage... but a WHOLE bunch of folks, from "regular joe america" to the talking head pundits are putting their candidate and party WAY ahead of our nation's interest on this one. 

 
I'm sorry but if you cry RUSSIA#%#!Q@ or holocaust you deserve to get mocked no matter what demographic you belong to. Those people are idiots. 

 
David Dodds said:
Doug Band - The gift that keeps giving

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/35400

Attachment spells out a bunch of shady deals
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WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!

Sorry, but the last 20 years of this crap undercuts whatever legitimacy this MAY have.  Not saying it doesn't, but I am saying the type of behavior you are showing here, which is merely an extension of the same over 2+ decades, is the very reason it has no impact today. Sucks when there is no longer a legitimate voice of conservatism, the Republican party nor the right, because any such outlets have been co-opted as attack dogs for so long that they've reduced themselves to partisan driven white noise.

 
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Koya said:
Yes, just a round number that represents 60-70% of Trump supporters. Obviously ballparking and I don't want to get into a pissing match about the exact percentage... but a WHOLE bunch of folks, from "regular joe america" to the talking head pundits are putting their candidate and party WAY ahead of our nation's interest on this one. 
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I don't listen to them, so I'm not sure where they stand.  Are they more of the "Damn right...Russia should be doing whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the Presidency" or "Well, if Russia is going to uncover the stuff our government is trying to hide, so be it."

Those are pretty different positions.  

 
Koya said:
WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!

Sorry, but the last 20 years of this crap undercuts whatever legitimacy this MAY have.  Not saying it doesn't, but I am saying the type of behavior you are showing here, which is merely an extension of the same over 2+ decades, is the very reason it has no impact today. Sucks when there is no longer a legitimate voice of conservatism, the Republican party nor the right, because any such outlets have been co-opted as attack dogs for so long that they've reduced themselves to partisan driven white noise.
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:lmao:

 
Koya said:
WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!

Sorry, but the last 20 years of this crap undercuts whatever legitimacy this MAY have.  Not saying it doesn't, but I am saying the type of behavior you are showing here, which is merely an extension of the same over 2+ decades, is the very reason it has no impact today. Sucks when there is no longer a legitimate voice of conservatism, the Republican party nor the right, because any such outlets have been co-opted as attack dogs for so long that they've reduced themselves to partisan driven white noise.
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:lmao:

 
Bill is part of the Foundation.  HRC was not officially part of the Foundation while she was Sec of State. It makes sense that they want this to go to Bill.

 
Hang 10 said:
I'm sorry but if you cry RUSSIA#%#!Q@ or holocaust you deserve to get mocked no matter what demographic you belong to. Those people are idiots. 
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Nobody "cried Holocaust," so put away the straw man. Koya said his wife was concerned about the anti-Semitism coming from Trump supporters and on occasion from media and staff supporting the Trump campaign, which is unprecedented in our lifetimes.  Many many others share her concerns. Harassment and threats of violence aren't just hypotheticals, they're already happening on disturbing levels, with no efforts to discourage them from the campaign the people doing it support. My links showed it. If you think people who are troubled by that stuff deserve to be mocked, well you're pretty much proving the point.

 
The Commish said:
I don't listen to them, so I'm not sure where they stand.  Are they more of the "Damn right...Russia should be doing whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the Presidency" or "Well, if Russia is going to uncover the stuff our government is trying to hide, so be it."

Those are pretty different positions.  
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Donald Trump himself stood in front of an audience and cameras and ENCOURAGED Russia to uncover more dirt on Hillary.  Needless to say, since that occurred weeks ago, his puppets (no puppet) have parroted the sentiment many times over. 

 
Koya said:
Donald Trump himself stood in front of an audience and cameras and ENCOURAGED Russia to uncover more dirt on Hillary.  Needless to say, since that occurred weeks ago, his puppets (no puppet) have parroted the sentiment many times over. 
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Yes , RUSSIA. Donald called on Mother RUSSIA to help us all.RUSSIA. Fear not dear comrade.

 
DID YOU YOU KNOW ?

I did not know this...BUT in four states....MN, WI, MI, & PA...if you vote early and then change your mind, you can change your vote!

Like I said...I did not know this.

 
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Koya said:
WOLF! WOLF! WOLF!

Sorry, but the last 20 years of this crap undercuts whatever legitimacy this MAY have.  Not saying it doesn't, but I am saying the type of behavior you are showing here, which is merely an extension of the same over 2+ decades, is the very reason it has no impact today. Sucks when there is no longer a legitimate voice of conservatism, the Republican party nor the right, because any such outlets have been co-opted as attack dogs for so long that they've reduced themselves to partisan driven white noise.
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Don't be so focused on the moral of the story that you forget how the fable ends.

 
State raids Delco offices, seeking evidence of voter registration fraud



by Laura McCrystal and Angela Couloumbis, STAFF WRITERS



 
Pennsylvania state police have raided a Delaware County political field office seeking evidence of possible voter-registration fraud, according to court records.

In a warrant filed late last week in County Court, investigators said they were seeking documents, financial information, and lists of employees at the Norwood office of FieldWorks LLC, a national organization that often does street work for Democrats, records show.

The warrant did not specify the nature of the probe, but said agents also were looking for "templates . . . utilized to construct fraudulent voter registration forms" and "completed voter registration forms containing same or similar identifying information of individuals on multiple forms."

A Delaware County judge on Friday afternoon signed the search warrant, but it was not known when it was executed. The warrant application was approved by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office. Jeff Johnson, a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office, declined to comment.

In a statement Monday, a spokesman for FieldWorks' national headquarters in Washington, said the company has "zero tolerance for fraud."

"FieldWorks is now working with county officials to provide them with information on our program and applications they are investigating," said the spokesman, Matt Dorf. "In keeping with our regular practice, we will work aggressively with authorities to seek the prosecution of anyone involved in wrongdoing."

FieldWorks describes itself as "a nationally recognized grassroots organizing firm founded to help progressive organizations, advocacy groups, and members of the Democratic family take their public engagement and electoral strategies to the next level." It was founded in 2001, according to its promotional information online.

The company did not respond to requests for comment on which campaigns or political groups have hired them to work in Pennsylvania.

In 2012, FieldWorks' voter registration efforts in Ohio sparked some controversy. FieldWorks employees filed thousands of new voter registration cards in the final week before the registration deadline. Some of them were found to be fraudulent.

In that same election, FieldWorks included a cover letter with its mass voter filing warning that it itself viewed scores of the submitted names as fraudulent.

Police in Cincinnati arrested a former Ohio University student in 2012 working in FieldWorks on charges of forging 22 signatures on a petition drive. Police said at the time that FieldWorks itself played no role in that man's scheme to pad his list.

lmccrystal@phillynews.com610-313-8116@LMcCrystal

Staff writer Craig R. McCoy contributed to this article.

 


Published: October 31, 2016 — 3:03 PM EDT| Updated: November 1, 2016 — 1:08 AM EDT
The Philadelphia Inquirer



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TobiasFunke said:
Nobody "cried Holocaust," so put away the straw man. Koya said his wife was concerned about the anti-Semitism coming from Trump supporters and on occasion from media and staff supporting the Trump campaign, which is unprecedented in our lifetimes.  Many many others share her concerns. Harassment and threats of violence aren't just hypotheticals, they're already happening on disturbing levels, with no efforts to discourage them from the campaign the people doing it support. My links showed it. If you think people who are troubled by that stuff deserve to be mocked, well you're pretty much proving the point.
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Oh no one "cried holocaust'? So when you brought it up you didn't do so to legitimize Koya's wife irrational fear? Because if it sure seemed that way. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Discussed above - but my first instinct was "dump" means to put them out into the public

That is a typical, though not Clintonian, response to a brewing scandal - get it all out in the public early, so it blows over sooner.  IF you don't get everything out early, it tends to come out in drips, and keeps the scandal alive...
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My sense for subtle internet humor is very slight. Maybe I missed this first go-round.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Nobody "cried Holocaust," so put away the straw man. Koya said his wife was concerned about the anti-Semitism coming from Trump supporters and on occasion from media and staff supporting the Trump campaign, which is unprecedented in our lifetimes.  Many many others share her concerns. Harassment and threats of violence aren't just hypotheticals, they're already happening on disturbing levels, with no efforts to discourage them from the campaign the people doing it support. My links showed it. If you think people who are troubled by that stuff deserve to be mocked, well you're pretty much proving the point.
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According to your links people were being threatened by gas chamber threats.

 
tonydead said:
Don't be so focused on the moral of the story that you forget how the fable ends.
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Trust me, I know all to well.  It's part of what scares me, because if/when #### really DOES hit the fan, there won't be much wind left in the sails to garner our attention.  This is part of the problem with slowly destroying our political institutions... when #### does eventually go bad, how well will we be able to react?

And when you are numb to the signs danger because of partisan driven bull#### that's extended my entire adult life, accelerating with the binary concepts of contract with america and no tax pledges as opposed to respect for one another and governance... well, bad things can happen.

Like, for example, the nomination of a megalomaniacal narcissist who is being treated with legitimacy by a huge swath of our nation. 

 
Koya said:
Trust me, I know all to well.  It's part of what scares me, because if/when #### really DOES hit the fan, there won't be much wind left in the sails to garner our attention.  This is part of the problem with slowly destroying our political institutions... when #### does eventually go bad, how well will we be able to react?

And when you are numb to the signs danger because of partisan driven bull#### that's extended my entire adult life, accelerating with the binary concepts of contract with america and no tax pledges as opposed to respect for one another and governance... well, bad things can happen.

Like, for example, the nomination of a megalomaniacal narcissist who is being treated with legitimacy by a huge swath of our nation. 
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But the criminal on the other side is no big deal to so many.  At least recognize the whole problem. 

 
Hang 10 said:
Oh no one "cried holocaust'? So when you brought it up you didn't do so to legitimize Koya's wife irrational fear? Because if it sure seemed that way. 
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The fact that a sizeable number of dip####s are threatening people based on religion/heritage doesn't make something a holocaust.

 
Hang 10 said:
Oh no one "cried holocaust'? So when you brought it up you didn't do so to legitimize Koya's wife irrational fear? Because if it sure seemed that way. 
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I assumed you meant someone was predicting another Holocaust.  Obviously harassment and violent threats that reference the holocaust are real and are happening frequently.  Are you mocking people for being troubled by those?  I just assumed nobody would actually mock something like that, which is why I read your comment the way I did.

 
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