Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (8 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

An open letter to James Comey from the 15-year-old Weiner was sexting

I'm a little confused by this. How did Comey's actions lead to the media getting her name? Didn't the DailyMail story which got Weiner in trouble reveal all that?

Weiner was aware that the girl was underage, according to DailyMail.com interviews with the girl and her father, as well as a cache of online messages.

- 9/21/16

 

[Gr00vus]

More importantly, that article provides the same connection to Rangers goalie Henrik Lundqvist and Andy Cohen.  This conspiracy goes all the way to the middle.

Also Rose Byrne and Bobby Canavale.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Uh, I don't like it as applied to conspiracy theorists. Maybe I read it too fast. I do need my afternoon nap. The intro addresses nutty conspiracy stuff, but very little of the long article goes back to it. Both merit and crony beliefs, the two new concepts the author is introducing, drive us away from conspiracy theory; one through analytical thinking, the other through blending in with cronies.

Another oddity of Dodds' journey is while I believe we should agree he is a fairly accomplished analytical thinker in these parts, yet analytical thinking reduces belief in conspiracy theories. I think this is just more a case of him chasing the white rabbit down hole and being both repulsed and fascinated by what he's seeing. It's okay, btw. Another study I'm not going to look for showed no intellectual bias for those incline to conspiracy beliefs. It isn't about being dumb. It isn't about crony or merit beliefs. Analytical thinking should overcome it, so what gives. How is a raven like a writing desk?

There's a lot of fascinating aspects about this election, and certain aspects are really interesting to folks. Like, really, really, interesting apparently.  

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm a little confused by this. How did Comey's actions lead to the media getting her name? Didn't the DailyMail story which got Weiner in trouble reveal all that?

- 9/21/16

My reading of it was that she was being interviewed at her home for several hours while this was going on, and the FBI were parked outside of her home.  Not much investigation necessary to figure out who she was and where she lived at that moment.

Daily Mail is UK and presumably wouldn't have given out her info.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This is the woman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E&feature=youtu.be  **Warning Disturbing Content

Here is another one of her "spirit dinners" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwbg6cxXgAQGtbE.jpg

Dodds posted the comment about the difference between public and private events

It is not just a staffer, it is her campaign chair John Podesta 

Here is an interesting painting on the wall of the office of John Podesta https://i.sli.mg/VRBxIu.jpg

Here is the connection between the dinner host and Hillary https://i.sli.mg/T5nqER.jpg

Washington times article http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/4/wikileaks-john-podesta-invited-to-spirit-dinner-ho/

You're going to tear a hammy making this stretch.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

My reading of it was that she was being interviewed at her home for several hours while this was going on, and the FBI were parked outside of her home.  Not much investigation necessary to figure out who she was and where she lived at that moment.

Daily Mail is UK and presumably wouldn't have given out her info.

Ha. The DM? I don't think the DM is a standard of journalistic ethics and at any rate isn't the girl American? As such she does not fall under EU privacy protections.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Just today I came across this really good article, which explains things quite well, I think.

That's going to understandably be tl;dr for a lot of people, so I'll try to give it my own spin.

On subjects like whether your daughter's soccer game starts at 5 pm or 6 pm, you'll mainly just be interested in getting the right answer. If you mistakenly think it's at 6 pm and someone corrects you, you'll be grateful for the correction.

On subjects like politics, we'll certainly convince ourselves that we are interested in accuracy, but at least subconsciously, we may be more interested in other things.

For many, our subconscious thought process will be something like: "I am going to express my opinion on this topic in order to signal my loyalty to the conservative [or liberal] cause. That way, others who support the same cause will think more highly of me. Maybe we'll bond over it, and we will have each other's backs. That kind of alliance could prove advantageous for all kinds of reasons. I, the subconscious, will therefore work on convincing my conscious self to reaffirm my conservative [or liberal] views so that I can express them more convincingly and reap the benefits."

For me, my tribe isn't really the left or the right, but something more like rationalism. So my subconscious thought process probably goes more like: "I wish to raise my status among my peers, so I will analyze this political issue in a way intended to show off my objectivity and reasoning ability. Then everyone will respect and admire me for it and I'll be really popular. People might even click the Like button on my post!" (I have no idea whether this accurately represents my subconscious thought process -- I have no good way of knowing because it's subconscious. It's just a guess to illustrate one possibility. But note that my guess paints a thought process that isn't particularly likely to be distorted in a way that produces gross inaccuracies. This is not evidence that my thought process isn't particularly likely to be distorted in a way that produces gross inaccuracies. Rather, it is evidence that, like everyone else, my subconscious thought process is very good at representing itself to my conscious thought process as being non-distorting -- without regard for whether that's actually true.)

In other words, on issues where accuracy is all that matters, like what time our daughter's soccer game starts, we're pretty good at evaluating evidence accurately without a lot of subconscious baggage to throw us off. But on issues like religion and politics, we're all subject to subconscious biases that may cause our reasoning process to go haywire  -- from an evolutionary standpoint, it's a feature, not a bug, whose purpose is to bolster our social standing or reputation within our in-group. As a built-in feature designed to go undetected, it's pretty dang difficult to identify in ourselves, much less suppress.

But the fact that somebody has some goofy views about certain political matters says very little about whether he'll be able to figure out what time his daughter's soccer game starts -- or whether Melvin Gordon is likely to get more rushing yards this week than Christine Michael. They just don't have much to do with each other.

 

[Henry Ford]

Ha. The DM? I don't think the DM is a standard of journalistic ethics and at any rate isn't the girl American? As such she does not fall under EU privacy protections.

Oh,yeah, no, I don't really think they finally identified her from this.  She's lashing out.  But she wanted this to blow over, and it's not going to because of the letter.

 

[Hang 10]

Hang 10:
 

When you feel the need to tell other people that you don't care about a topic that you were just arguing about, when you feel the need to emphasize your point with cuss words, when you feel the need to continue to make additional posts about the topic (which you proclaimed that you didn't give a #### about), that's a pretty good sign that you're A) lying, and/or B) a pretty crappy human being.

Actually, when you feel the need to use cuss words to emphasize how you feel about an alleged rape victim, that makes you a pretty crappy human being.

But keep telling us how much you don't give a #### if that makes you feel better about yourself.

Yeah but at least I know how to use the quote function . 

 

[David Dodds]

All in on the Performance Art with the 666 Twitter name too:

https://twitter.com/AbramovicM666

 

[rugcleaner]

You're going to tear a hammy making this stretch.

I am just saying it's pretty ####### weird Hillarys campaign chair is eating blood.  Not trying to claim Hillay did.

Added a few things

This is the woman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E&feature=youtu.be  **Warning Disturbing Content

Still From Video https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwZ0NiEW8AA69Sg.jpg

Here is another one of her "spirit dinners" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwbg6cxXgAQGtbE.jpg

Dodds posted the comment about the difference between public and private events

It is not just a staffer, it is her campaign chair John Podesta 

Here is an interesting painting on the wall of the office of John Podesta https://i.sli.mg/VRBxIu.jpg

Notice the scar on Podesta's Pinky https://i.sli.mg/VZzjDn.jpg

Here is the connection between the dinner host and Hillary https://i.sli.mg/T5nqER.jpg

Washington times article http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/4/wikileaks-john-podesta-invited-to-spirit-dinner-ho/

 

[Bob Magaw]

Godammed disambiguist eh?

Popper/Habermas by way of Gebser/Sorokin/Toynbee.

 

[Henry Ford]

The scar on his pinky.  

We already covered that one a few pages ago, I think.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

For me, my tribe isn't really the left or the right, but something more like rationalism. So my subconscious thought process probably goes more like: "I wish to raise my status among my peers, so I will analyze this political issue in a way intended to show off my objectivity and reasoning ability. Then everyone will respect and admire me for it and I'll be really popular. People might even click the Like button on my post!" (I have no idea whether this accurately represents my subconscious thought process -- I have no good way of knowing because it's subconscious. It's just a guess to illustrate one possibility. But note that my guess paints a thought process that isn't particularly likely to be distorted in a way that produces gross inaccuracies. This is not evidence that my thought process isn't particularly likely to be distorted in a way that produces gross inaccuracies. Rather, it is evidence that, like everyone else, my subconscious thought process is very good at representing itself to my conscious thought process as being non-distorting -- without regard for whether that's actually true.)

So, we're all here for "Likes"?

 

[squistion]

Here is the connection between the dinner host and Hillary https://i.sli.mg/T5nqER.jpg

Talk about finding the smoking gun!

Aha! Here is the connection!:

In June 2013, Hillary and Marina both attended the same fashion awards ceremony. 

 

[rugcleaner]

The scar on his pinky.  

We already covered that one a few pages ago, I think.

You think this is normal?

 

[avoiding injuries]

All in on the Performance Art with the 666 Twitter name too:

https://twitter.com/AbramovicM666

Ok, someone please explain to me what she is going to do with that dog?

 

[Henry Ford]

You think this is normal?

For a guy who's had hand surgery(ies)?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Marina Abramovic ‏@AbramovicM666 3h3 hours ago
I'm not satanist!Stop it!

Marina Abramovic ‏@AbramovicM666 4h4 hours ago
My friends, please stop twittering me with tag spiritcooking! Just enjoy art and stop asking me about politics.

Looks like she is having a super day.

 

[tonydead]

Ok, someone please explain to me what she is going to do with that dog?

See how many people mess with the control panel to the right, presumably to electrocute it.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Ok, someone please explain to me what she is going to do with that dog?

Well, it's dead and stuffed, so... I'm guessing something weird.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh,yeah, no, I don't really think they finally identified her from this.  She's lashing out.  But she wanted this to blow over, and it's not going to because of the letter.

I think when Weiner gets busted and she sues him for emotional distress things will be looking rosier.

 

[avoiding injuries]

So, we're all here for "Likes"?

If I'm being honest, I think we're all here to rile up the opposing side. Except for Tim, he's trying to do it to everyone. 

 

[tonydead]

I guess it's the subconscious then that changes sexting victim to rape victim.  Makes sense.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 4h4 hours ago
Trump is about 3 points behind Clinton -- and 3-point polling errors happen pretty often.

- Well that's just great. I don't think I can take the tension. I think I'm going to a movie, go out for some exercise, or maybe just get hammered, I don't think I can handle watching the tv Tue night.

 

[rugcleaner]

For a guy who's had hand surgery(ies)?

Fair enough, I missed that.  However I was talking about the behavior/participation of the campaign chair of the likely next president, care to comment about that?

 

[timschochet]

First of all - wait, that was you?

Secondly, yeah I agree. Is that so awful? Conversely we had the ridiculous exercise nationally and here for 9 months of Hillary supporters constantly getting umbrage up about suggesting Hillary was under investigation. Until July hit and oh yeah there's the FBI Director on the podium, delivering good news by the way. And we said hey let's hang our hats on that.... until last week on Friday around noon, then it was like the Hillary folks got possessed by the spirit of Trump all of a sudden.T

If you're referring to me, I objected to the idea that she was under criminal investigation. I drew this distinction:

To be under investigation by the FBI means that the FBI is trying to determine if a crime was committed, and if so, who is the culprit. (In the case of the emails, the FBI determined that no crime had been committed in July; now apparently they are reopening the case to study this new information in order to determine if a crime has been committed, though it is very likely they will reach the same conclusion as before.)

To be under criminal investigation by the FBI means that the FBI has already determined that a crime has been committed; now they're just trying to determine if the focus of their investigation (in this case Hillary) is guilty of that crime.

Do you see the difference? The Hillary haters around here assume that if Hillary is "under investigation", that is evidence that a crime has been committed. But that is not the case. 

 

[Nick Vermeil]

 
- Well that's just great. I don't think I can take the tension. I think I'm going to a movie, go out for some exercise, or maybe just get hammered, I don't think I can handle watching the tv Tue night.

Colbert on Showtime and a bong full.  That's how I'm going to roll. 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Talk about finding the smoking gun!

Aha! Here is the connection!:

In June 2013, Hillary and Marina both attended the same fashion awards ceremony. 

Bobby Cannavale is dating Rose Byrne, how about that. She is fine.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If you're referring to me,

If I was referring to you I would have referred to you.

 

[Henry Ford]

Fair enough, I missed that.  However I was talking about the behavior/participation of the campaign chair of the likely next president, care to comment about that?

What behavior?  Getting an email from his brother asking if he'd like to go to dinner at a world-renowned performance artist's house?

 

[timschochet]

If I'm being honest, I think we're all here to rile up the opposing side. Except for Tim, he's trying to do it to everyone. 

I don't want to rile up anybody. If the whole world agreed with me, I'd be pretty damn happy! 

 

[timschochet]

If I was referring to you I would have referred to you.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pittsburgh bakery says it's over:

https://www.facebook.com/OakmontBakery/posts/1414444131917691:0

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

To be under criminal investigation by the FBI means that the FBI has already determined that a crime has been committed;

Ok just stop, you're crossing a far off bridge in a land far far away that Tobias and I weren't even passing through.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Colbert on Showtime and a bong full.  That's how I'm going to roll. 

I really feel my best option is passing out. I was in Mexico in 2000. It was great, felt like I had walked into a 28 Days Later sequel when I got home.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Judge rejects Emanuel assertion that emails are exempt from disclosure

A Cook County judge ruled in favor of the Chicago Tribune on Tuesday by declaring that Mayor Rahm Emanuel's emails, texts and other communications are not exempt from disclosure simply because they are transmitted over private devices.

- My hope is that the Hillary private email struggle will have beneficial effects for good government groups and news sites in local and state government around the country. The private email system as a way to get around Foia/public records laws is prevalent.

 

[rugcleaner]

What behavior?  Getting an email from his brother asking if he'd like to go to dinner at a world-renowned performance artist's house?

Your being purposefully obtuse. Eating dinner off of a body covered in blood, semen, and urine is pretty ####### weird, some would say satanic.

Marina Abramovic publicly stated the difference between public events being art, and privates events not.

 

[squistion]

 
- Well that's just great. I don't think I can take the tension. I think I'm going to a movie, go out for some exercise, or maybe just get hammered, I don't think I can handle watching the tv Tue night.

It will be like the ultimate reality show, except it won't be a show.

The future of this country playing out in real time as the returns come in - and there is much more at stake than usual.

How could you or any political junkie miss it?

 

[jon_mx]

If you're referring to me, I objected to the idea that she was under criminal investigation. I drew this distinction:

To be under investigation by the FBI means that the FBI is trying to determine if a crime was committed, and if so, who is the culprit. (In the case of the emails, the FBI determined that no crime had been committed in July; now apparently they are reopening the case to study this new information in order to determine if a crime has been committed, though it is very likely they will reach the same conclusion as before.)

To be under criminal investigation by the FBI means that the FBI has already determined that a crime has been committed; now they're just trying to determine if the focus of their investigation (in this case Hillary) is guilty of that crime.

Do you see the difference? The Hillary haters around here assume that if Hillary is "under investigation", that is evidence that a crime has been committed. But that is not the case. 

And where does a 'routine security inquiry' fit into your hierarchy of made up distinctions?  You could build a whole Offdee-like scale surrounding the type of investigations Hillary is under, the Timschochet scale.  

 

[Slapdash]

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 4h4 hours ago
Trump is about 3 points behind Clinton -- and 3-point polling errors happen pretty often.

- Well that's just great. I don't think I can take the tension. I think I'm going to a movie, go out for some exercise, or maybe just get hammered, I don't think I can handle watching the tv Tue night.

Polling errors happen, but it is telling that Nate Silver is consistently on the low side of the aggregators. 

 

[The Commish]

First of all - wait, that was you?

Secondly, yeah I agree. Is that so awful? Conversely we had the ridiculous exercise nationally and here for 9 months of Hillary supporters constantly getting umbrage up about suggesting Hillary was under investigation. Until July hit and oh yeah there's the FBI Director on the podium, delivering good news by the way. And we said hey let's hang our hats on that.... until last week on Friday around noon, then it was like the Hillary folks got possessed by the spirit of Trump all of a sudden.T

If you're referring to me, I objected to the idea that she was under criminal investigation. I drew this distinction:

To be under investigation by the FBI means that the FBI is trying to determine if a crime was committed, and if so, who is the culprit. (In the case of the emails, the FBI determined that no crime had been committed in July; now apparently they are reopening the case to study this new information in order to determine if a crime has been committed, though it is very likely they will reach the same conclusion as before.)

To be under criminal investigation by the FBI means that the FBI has already determined that a crime has been committed; now they're just trying to determine if the focus of their investigation (in this case Hillary) is guilty of that crime.

Do you see the difference? The Hillary haters around here assume that if Hillary is "under investigation", that is evidence that a crime has been committed. But that is not the case.

We're doing this again?  Draw all the distinctions you want....the FBI does not share your need to parse words.

And "The Hillary haters" needs to be replaced with "A few Hillary haters"....tia.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I am just saying it's pretty ####### weird Hillarys campaign chair is eating blood.  Not trying to claim Hillay did.

Added a few things

I can't watch vids right now but they actually show Pedesta eating blood etc?  

 

[squistion]

Pittsburgh bakery says it's over:

https://www.facebook.com/OakmontBakery/posts/1414444131917691:0

My favorite comment:

Paula S. Bain Maybe people just want to bite Trump's head off!

 

[Henry Ford]

Your being purposefully obtuse. Eating dinner off of a body covered in blood, semen, and urine is pretty ####### weird, some would say satanic.

Marina Abramovic publicly stated the difference between public events being art, and privates events not.

No, you're being seriously crazy.  Like loony tunes crazy.  Truly off your rocker.  And you're believing everything you read on the Internet in conspiracy chat rooms.  

First, the "previous dinner" picture you put up was her and Lady Gaga eating FAKE blood sauce off of a woman at a weird art auction. The crazy people telling you different are just that.  Crazy.  If we  need to continue, let me know, but you are over the ####ing rainbow on this. 

 

[Joe Summer]

- Well that's just great. I don't think I can take the tension. I think I'm going to a movie, go out for some exercise, or maybe just get hammered, I don't think I can handle watching the tv Tue night.

538 is pretty conservative with their forecasts. This site shows a bunch of different forecasts side-by-side, and 538 is consistently "light blue" in places where everyone else is dark blue. Even Fox News predicts more electoral votes for Hillary than 538 does.

 

[Courtjester]

I,for one, am ready for this to all be over, but see, I have my Pokemon Go thread to fall back on. Some of you I am unsure of what you will do with your time.

But I will say that for the next 4-8 years everything Clnton does wrong will be Tim's fault.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Here's the original press coverage of that auction in Jamaica:

http://m.jamaicaobserver.com/mobile/lifestyle/Not-too-ghoulish--Gaga---Singer-eats-fake-blood-off-woman-s-naked-body_14782475

 

[Dexter]

It's not art.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Here's the original press coverage of that auction in Jamaica:

http://m.jamaicaobserver.com/mobile/lifestyle/Not-too-ghoulish--Gaga---Singer-eats-fake-blood-off-woman-s-naked-body_14782475

Oh my god, Cory Monteith from Glee died.