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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (5 Viewers)

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IvanKaramazov said:
I have no idea what my parents think about Donald Trump.  They're lifetime Republicans, but we don't talk politics that often.  Regardless, I would never have had any qualms with them raising my kids if something had happened to my wife and I when they were younger.  It's kind of sad that you're making these kinds of decisions based on partisan politics.    
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My biggest thing would be hoping my child goes with someone that can give them love and a good life, if something were to happen to me, I don't need to check their voting records.  Seems petty.  But given the source, not surprising.

 
Card Trader said:
My biggest thing would be hoping my child goes with someone that can give them love and a good life, if something were to happen to me, I don't need to check their voting records.  Seems petty.  But given the source, not surprising.
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Trump voters were bitter before Trump ran for President and will be bitter after Trump loses.  I'd rather my daughter be raised by positive, optimistic parents, but bitter people can be good parents too.

 
beavers said:
I posted this in the Trump thread but figured I would post here too:

Today, my partner and I are meeting with an estate planning attorney. I am the biological mother of our child, and if something happens to me, our daughter will go to PA, with my Trump loving family. I will NEVER allow this. And, it's pure coincidence that we are doing this on Election Day, but it needs to be done. 

Our attorney said there are several other clients who are doing the exact same thing we are ... Estate planning so their children are not raised by Trump loving family members ?
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I feel the same way about people who like Judd Apatow movies. I mean, WTH is WRONG with those people?

 
Even if Hillary is the most ethical politician ever, it is quite obvious that the people giving the money believed she was not.  They believed they were gaining access at the very minimum and a goldmine of potential business at the worst.  There is no indication that the Clinton's ever discouraged their donors from thinking that.  Even if you think Hillary is great, aren't these donors the lowest, filthiest people in the world? 
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An ethical person can convince themselves "if people are dumb enough to give me money for speeches and money to my Foundation without any agreement for payback then let them".  Looks bad of course but I believe Hillary thinks she's above corruption and isn't influenced by it. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I have no idea what my parents think about Donald Trump.  They're lifetime Republicans, but we don't talk politics that often.  Regardless, I would never have had any qualms with them raising my kids if something had happened to my wife and I when they were younger.  It's kind of sad that you're making these kinds of decisions based on partisan politics.    
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Trumpism is not what most of us mean about when we talk about "partisan politics." Let's not act like this is someone contemplating a change of custody arrangements because a relative supported the Romney/Ryan ticket. 

I assume everyone would agree that there is a point at which a "politician" is so abhorrent that supporting him or her reflects poorly on the person. For example if the president of NAMBLA or guy running on a pro-slavery campaign were on the ballot, we'd all agree that even the act of supporting that person's candidacy was a negative character trait, yes?  So the only question is where you draw that line between "normal" political disagreement and a person so repulsive that merely supporting him or her amounts to a character flaw.  For many people, Trump crosses the line into the latter.  And I assume there are probably a couple people out there who would say the same of supporting Clinton.

It's fine if you disagree with their judgment on that matter.  But I don't think that makes it OK to criticize the decisions they make about their children's care. That seems like a subject that should be hands-off unless someone is proposing something that's clearly not in the kids' best interests.
 

 
IK writes:

I have no idea what my parents think about Donald Trump. They're lifetime Republicans, but we don't talk politics that often. Regardless, I would never have had any qualms with them raising my kids if something had happened to my wife and I when they were younger. It's kind of sad that you're making these kinds of decisions based on partisan politics.
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She never said she was making the decision based on partisan politics. Maybe her family is racist/sexist/anti-LGBT and the Trump love is just a symbol of that? Your response seemed a little bit out of line, IMO.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I have no idea what my parents think about Donald Trump.  They're lifetime Republicans, but we don't talk politics that often.  Regardless, I would never have had any qualms with them raising my kids if something had happened to my wife and I when they were younger.  It's kind of sad that you're making these kinds of decisions based on partisan politics.    
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For some people being partisan is just a big part of their identity.  I find those people often suck to be around.

My kids would go to an ultra-liberal family.  Politics never even entered our thought process.  The second option would be conservative.

 
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I don't want my kids being raised by Trump supporters. It's why I broke up with my college girlfriend with the nutbag family. 

 
I kicked my dog out of the house cause I found out the kennel where I board him is run by Trump supporters.      I don't need that ##### in my house.

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
I have no idea what my parents think about Donald Trump.  They're lifetime Republicans, but we don't talk politics that often.  Regardless, I would never have had any qualms with them raising my kids if something had happened to my wife and I when they were younger.  It's kind of sad that you're making these kinds of decisions based on partisan politics.    
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Not sad at all.  She wants her child raised by her partner instead of her parents, who may have other Trump like views, such as bigotry towards minorities, etc. Maybe it wouldn't bother you, but I wouldn't want to see my kid turn out with views like Eminence and there is a good possibility that would happen in a Trump loving household.

 
squistion said:
Not sad at all.  She wants her child raised by her partner instead of her parents, who may have other Trump like views, such as bigotry towards minorities, etc. Maybe it wouldn't bother you, but I wouldn't want to see my kid turn out with views like Eminence and there is a good possibility that would happen in a Trump loving household.
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:lol:

 
I overheard the mechanic who fixed my wife's car yesterday say that he was voting for trump. When I got home I smashed my windshield and took a hammer to my hood. I ain't driving that car. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Just something I'm curious about here. Seriously I would not say a single word to Beavers about how she chooses to raise her child or who she thinks should raise them.

But these parents suddenly became anathema the day of the election?

What, so March of 2015, oh sure let these horrible people raise the child, or even October 2016, or even November 7, 2016 everything was A-0k, but now here on November 8th they're horrible people?
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That is being a bit presumptuous. I am not going to speak for Beavers, but I would imagine that this decision was a long time coming and probably wasn't an impulsive, "Let's run to the lawyer because we just found out they are voting for Trump".

I know a fundamentalist family who have made plans that their child be raised in a "Christian" home if something happens to them. To some of us, political views are as important as religious views as far as how our children would be raised by others in our absence.

 
squistion said:
That is being a bit presumptuous. I am not going to speak for Beavers, but I would imagine that this decision was a long time coming and probably wasn't an impulsive, "Let's run to the lawyer because we just found out they are voting for Trump".

I know a fundamentalist family who have made plans that their child be raised in a "Christian" home if something happens to them. To some of us, political views are as important as religious views as far as how our children would be raised by others in our absence.
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So you're refuting presumption with presumption. Solid. 

 
Got a gift voucher from work yesterday for a Thanksgiving turkey.  Wife went grocery last night and picked it up. 

When she got home, I read the label and found it was distributed by a company based some place in Arkansas.  I threw the dang thing out the window. 

Sorry, kids, Thanksgiving is cancelled.  We ain't eatin' no bird produced by no Trump voters...

 
beavers said:
Growing up, my parents never discussed politics, and were not racist and in fact, they were open minded, blue collar and great overall parents.

Fast forward to today ... They are nothing like this anymore. They are racist. Bigoted. Angry. Ignorant. For example, I was mortified one day when I spoke to my mom on the phone, and she asked how I would feel if my daughter was attacked by a bunch of black girls as to prove her point that the "blacks have gone wild". I said please never say that again in front of my daughter and she hung up the phone on me. There are several examples as to why I would never want my daughter raised in that type of environment. She belongs with her other parent, who is raising her. Who knows her just as well as me. Who is structured, and can provide the appropriate guidance.
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So they consider black girls super predators? 

 
TobiasFunke said:
Trumpism is not what most of us mean about when we talk about "partisan politics." Let's not act like this is someone contemplating a change of custody arrangements because a relative supported the Romney/Ryan ticket. 

I assume everyone would agree that there is a point at which a "politician" is so abhorrent that supporting him or her reflects poorly on the person. For example if the president of NAMBLA or guy running on a pro-slavery campaign were on the ballot, we'd all agree that even the act of supporting that person's candidacy was a negative character trait, yes?  So the only question is where you draw that line between "normal" political disagreement and a person so repulsive that merely supporting him or her amounts to a character flaw.  For many people, Trump crosses the line into the latter.  And I assume there are probably a couple people out there who would say the same of supporting Clinton.

It's fine if you disagree with their judgment on that matter.  But I don't think that makes it OK to criticize the decisions they make about their children's care. That seems like a subject that should be hands-off unless someone is proposing something that's clearly not in the kids' best interests.
 
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:lmao:

 
Jrodicus said:
Got a gift voucher from work yesterday for a Thanksgiving turkey.  Wife went grocery last night and picked it up. 

When she got home, I read the label and found it was distributed by a company based some place in Arkansas.  I threw the dang thing out the window. 

Sorry, kids, Thanksgiving is cancelled.  We ain't eatin' no bird produced by no Trump voters...
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JFC. Trump supporters are making some of the worst analogies I have ever seen in this forum. First the mechanic one and now equating who would raise your child in the event of your death with a gift voucher for a turkey.

 
squistion said:
To some of us, political views are as important as religious views as far as how our children would be raised by others in our absence.
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To some of you your political views are your religious views.  Religion has been removed as a governing ideology, but merely replaced with a non-deity based ideology that is eerily similar.  There's dogma that must be adhered to; faith in the principles trumps critical analysis of the principles; and blasphemers are treated with contempt.

 
So the "Trump lover" thing is incidental to the bigger issues.

Guilty on the charge of lack of articulation,  but innocent of unreasonableness.

Sentence commuted. 

 
Jrodicus said:
Got a gift voucher from work yesterday for a Thanksgiving turkey.  Wife went grocery last night and picked it up. 

When she got home, I read the label and found it was distributed by a company based some place in Arkansas.  I threw the dang thing out the window. 

Sorry, kids, Thanksgiving is cancelled.  We ain't eatin' no bird produced by no Trump voters...
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:lmao:

 
Joe Summer said:
IK writes:
 

She never said she was making the decision based on partisan politics. Maybe her family is racist/sexist/anti-LGBT and the Trump love is just a symbol of that? Your response seemed a little bit out of line, IMO.
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I'm just going based on what she posted, which cast her decision as entirely Trump-related.  And if she doesn't want people to comment on it, she shouldn't have posted it.

 
beavers said:
Growing up, my parents never discussed politics, and were not racist and in fact, they were open minded, blue collar and great overall parents.

Fast forward to today ... They are nothing like this anymore. They are racist. Bigoted. Angry. Ignorant. For example, I was mortified one day when I spoke to my mom on the phone, and she asked how I would feel if my daughter was attacked by a bunch of black girls as to prove her point that the "blacks have gone wild". I said please never say that again in front of my daughter and she hung up the phone on me. There are several examples as to why I would never want my daughter raised in that type of environment. She belongs with her other parent, who is raising her. Who knows her just as well as me. Who is structured, and can provide the appropriate guidance.
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You should compare this to your earlier post.  Notice how the first one comes across as snotty while this one is totally reasonable.  

 
squistion said:
JFC. Trump supporters are making some of the worst analogies I have ever seen in this forum. First the mechanic one and now equating who would raise your child in the event of your death with a gift voucher for a turkey.
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Dude... she made a stupid comment and now she's getting a bit of teasing over it. You don't have to jump to her defense because you're on the same team. Grow a pair of humors.

 
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