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Official Hillary Clinton 2016 thread (3 Viewers)

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Fools folly probably, but an attempt to get this thread back on track.  I have a question.  Why are our US territories allowed to participate in the primaries but not the general election?  Those people have to come to the United States, establish residency, then they are allowed to vote.  Why has the government chosen to set it up that way?

 
Yes.  And that's a serious problem.
The only problem is that you view it that way. And I am sure if one of your kids, raised by someone else, turned out to have alt-right views like Eminence, you would be cool with it  - however I wouldn't.

 
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beavers said:
Folks can comment on what they want ... Been part of the FFA since 2005 so I know the drill. With that being said, I've considered this for at least the last 1.5 years and the blatant racist comment in front of my daughter is my tipping point. 
hey beavers... nobody would be giving you grief if you stated this in your original post. But you didn't. If you were a better daughter maybe your parents wouldn't be racist.

 
That is being a bit presumptuous. I am not going to speak for Beavers, but I would imagine that this decision was a long time coming and probably wasn't an impulsive, "Let's run to the lawyer because we just found out they are voting for Trump".

I know a fundamentalist family who have made plans that their child be raised in a "Christian" home if something happens to them. To some of us, political views are as important as religious views as far as how our children would be raised by others in our absence.
Yeah I deleted my post. I agree and to tell you the truth any discussion on it is presumptuous. Beavers can do as she thinks best, no argument here.

 
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Dude... she made a stupid comment and now she's getting a bit of teasing over it. You don't have to jump to her defense because you're on the same team. Grow a pair of humors.
Squis has a point ... The analogies prove that people who haven't experienced discrimination really don't understand the magnitude of it. As a lesbian, I experienced a lot of homophobia toward me. I never want my daughter to 1. Be raised by slightly homophobic but definite racists and 2. Live in an environment where diversity and inclusion are evil buzz words for political correctness. I wouldn't expect some on a white male dominated message board to understand. 

 
Squis has a point ... The analogies prove that people who haven't experienced discrimination really don't understand the magnitude of it. As a lesbian, I experienced a lot of homophobia toward me. I never want my daughter to 1. Be raised by slightly homophobic but definite racists and 2. Live in an environment where diversity and inclusion are evil buzz words for political correctness. I wouldn't expect some on a white male dominated message board to understand. 
OR... or.... you could've just given the real reason for your decision instead of turning it into a vague partisan hack job with your original post.

Your actual reasons, as you have since divulged, are perfectly rational. The original framing "I did this because of Trump" ... came off as, well, unbalanced.

I'd also be careful with your assumptions. You know nothing of each of our individual walks of life.

 
Squis has a point ... The analogies prove that people who haven't experienced discrimination really don't understand the magnitude of it. As a lesbian, I experienced a lot of homophobia toward me. I never want my daughter to 1. Be raised by slightly homophobic but definite racists and 2. Live in an environment where diversity and inclusion are evil buzz words for political correctness. I wouldn't expect some on a white male dominated message board to understand. 
They don't "prove" anything as they were intended to be as silly as your ill framed argument.

Edit: So relax, toots.

 
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I do not believe that Hillary is criminally corrupt.  I think she has a lust for power that overtakes good judgement and she endures a never ending series of mini scandals, all of which could be avoided with better judgement.  I believe that lust for power is too great for her to be trusted to make decisions as our president.   As soon as she is elected, the re-election campaign begins.  She will never risk a second term to do the right thing.

I voted for Gary Johnson.  I think Trump is awful, but I will be rooting for him to win today for the reasons above. Trump is a passing fad, while Clinton represents a long-term threat.
I also voted for Johnson.  Trumps plans for replacing X with "something fabulous" just isn't good enough.  Horrible choice for a R candidate (and more than likely we'll conclude after HRC gets her crown that anyone that voted Trump in the primaries voted HRC for president).  And, contrary to your belief,  the Clinton family is a crime syndicate.  Worse than Edwin Edwards, Huey P Long, Boss Tweed, etc.

Of course my state is at 99.9% chance for Trump, so it wasn't like my vote was going to move the needle any.  

When Donna Brazile leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton, did Clinton reject it as unfair or did she suck it up like a donation from George Stephanopoulos? 
Oh, please.  She lapped them up.  It's a shame this didn't come out during the main debates.  If there is anything I'd like to ask her right now I'd like her to explain to America's schoolkids why she cheated on her tests.

 
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Man oh man..

I just got to cast a general election vote for Hillary Clinton. @NCCommish @adonis (wherever you are) @SaintsInDome2006 -- that's about 10 years of back and forth from when she announced in 2007 to now.

It's crazy to think how much politics has changed since then. Obama Clinton was a fun sparring match where I left defeated but energized about electing Barack Obama. Flash forward to now and I just feel drained. The polarizatioN, the vitriol... It's not as fun this time around. 

But I'm still proud to say #ImWithHer 
All that counts is that you think you did the right thing. So good for you. And good for you getting out and voting regardless of our philosophical differences.

I also voted.  My polling place is heavily minority maybe slightly more African American than Latino but it's close. Not many white folks. And this is the first time in the last 6 times I voted there that I had to wait in line. 3 of those were presidential 2 were Obama. And still this was the heaviest turn out I've seen. When people are riding public transportation to get to the polls they are motivated.

That doesn't bode well for the GOP I would guess.

 
Squis has a point ... The analogies prove that people who haven't experienced discrimination really don't understand the magnitude of it. As a lesbian, I experienced a lot of homophobia toward me. I never want my daughter to 1. Be raised by slightly homophobic but definite racists and 2. Live in an environment where diversity and inclusion are evil buzz words for political correctness. I wouldn't expect some on a white male dominated message board to understand. 
Beavers, you're out of touch. How many white male trump supporters do you know in real life? You've created a boogeyman out of a caricature. Maybe get out of your insular world and realize the propaganda you're constantly consuming doesn't match reality. I know Trump supporters, Clinton supporters, Johnson supporters... people who supported Sanders, Bush, etc... Christians, atheists, Muslims etc... and you know what, they're all pretty reasonable and they're a lot more similar than you realize.

 
Fools folly probably, but an attempt to get this thread back on track. I have a question. Why are our US territories allowed to participate in the primaries but not the general election? Those people have to come to the United States, establish residency, then they are allowed to vote. Why has the government chosen to set it up that way?
John Oliver asked the same question last year

The Constitution says that only "States" can participate in the Electoral College. (Washington D.C. was added via the 23rd Amendment.)

 
The only problem is that you view it that way. And I am sure if one of your kids, raised by someone else, turned out to have alt-right views like Eminence, you would be cool with it  - however I wouldn't.
I don't subscribe to the view that people automatically inherit their political beliefs from their parents.  I certainly didn't.  Did you?

 
Man oh man..

I just got to cast a general election vote for Hillary Clinton. @NCCommish @adonis (wherever you are) @SaintsInDome2006 -- that's about 10 years of back and forth from when she announced in 2007 to now.

It's crazy to think how much politics has changed since then. Obama Clinton was a fun sparring match where I left defeated but energized about electing Barack Obama. Flash forward to now and I just feel drained. The polarizatioN, the vitriol... It's not as fun this time around. 

But I'm still proud to say #ImWithHer 
All that counts is that you think you did the right thing. So good for you. And good for you getting out and voting regardless of our philosophical differences.

I also voted.  My polling place is heavily minority maybe slightly more African American than Latino but it's close. Not many white folks. And this is the first time in the last 6 times I voted there that I had to wait in line. 3 of those were presidential 2 were Obama. And still this was the heaviest turn out I've seen. When people are riding public transportation to get to the polls they are motivated.

That doesn't bode well for the GOP I would guess.
Took us about an hour and half to early vote Uptown on Friday.  Really hope we can kick McCrory out.

 
I don't subscribe to the view that people automatically inherit their political beliefs from their parents.  I certainly didn't.  Did you?
I have to admit I was raised in a Liberal family. Grandparents both sides were big time union when that meant something. Parents, aunts, uncle's, all union and very socially liberal. Although as far as I know I am the only full on athiest to come out of the group. Some agnostics around though.

 
All that counts is that you think you did the right thing. So good for you. And good for you getting out and voting regardless of our philosophical differences.

I also voted.  My polling place is heavily minority maybe slightly more African American than Latino but it's close. Not many white folks. And this is the first time in the last 6 times I voted there that I had to wait in line. 3 of those were presidential 2 were Obama. And still this was the heaviest turn out I've seen. When people are riding public transportation to get to the polls they are motivated.

That doesn't bode well for the GOP I would guess.
Really, that's all that counts?  32% of Germans thought they were doing the right thing.

 
I don't subscribe to the view that people automatically inherit their political beliefs from their parents.  I certainly didn't.  Did you?
They don't automatically inherit their religious beliefs either, however close minded bigot, racist parents tend to raise close minded bigoted, racist children more often than parents who have tolerant and progressive views towards others.  Yes, we don't all turn out that way in politics or religion, I know two atheists who raised a girl that became a nun - but at least I would want to give my kid a fair shot at life as being open minded rather and tolerant of other, rather than have them brought up in an environment that would them make more likely than not to at least start with extreme alt right views.

 
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Really, that's all that counts?  32% of Germans thought they were doing the right thing.
Yeah what counts is doing what you think is best. I can disagree with that outcome but if you are truly voting your conscience it's what you are supposed to do. 

I would also say those Germans voted from a place of hate not conscience.

 
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You should compare this to your earlier post.  Notice how the first one comes across as snotty while this one is totally reasonable.  
Funny, that second post read pretty much the same as the first one to me, just with a lot more stuff explicitly spelled out that was only implied by the phrase "Trump lovers".

I mean, there are people voting for Trump. And then there are Trump people.

 
Oh, please.  She lapped them up.  It's a shame this didn't come out during the main debates.  If there is anything I'd like to ask her right now I'd like her to explain to America's schoolkids why she cheated on her tests.
Exactly.  She lapped them up.  I wonder if anyone will ever ask her about that.  Maybe in a debate in four years? I haven't read this thread but I wonder if any Hillary supporter in here can defend her on this. 

Most of my very long post came from questions I think should be asked of her (or should have been by the media). 

 
beavers said:
What's the difference? Is there a difference?

1. Trump Lovers = open, actively racist. No political correctness. Thinks black kids beat up white kids

2. Trump Supporters = people who aren't openly and actively racist. Don't classify young black girls as violent, but hates BLM. Hates Hillary. Say they don't support Trump, but are voting for him. In denial that a vote = support.
It's the reason we on the left should have come up with a new word other than racism for the racism that's currently in vogue. Then people wouldn't knee jerk away like "I'm not racist, I've never been in the KKK!  I just feel uncomfortable around brown people!"

 
beavers said:
What's the difference? Is there a difference?

1. Trump Lovers = open, actively racist. No political correctness. Thinks black kids beat up white kids

2. Trump Supporters = people who aren't openly and actively racist. Don't classify young black girls as violent, but hates BLM. Hates Hillary. Say they don't support Trump, but are voting for him. In denial that a vote = support.
Awful lot of stereotyping going on for someone that hates to be stereotyped.  

Perhaps maybe your parents are just the bad people. Not everyone that doesn't share your political views. 

 
It's the reason we on the left should have come up with a new word other than racism for the racism that's currently in vogue. Then people wouldn't knee jerk away like "I'm not racist, I've never been in the KKK!  I just feel uncomfortable around brown people!"
Meanwhile, on the other end of the political spectrum, there are increasingly brown people on college campuses and at BLM events who outright say that they need safe spaces specifically because they're uncomfortable around white people.  This reverse yet more overt form of what you criticize is increasingly being supported by people on the Left.  Blatant double standards create resentment where it may otherwise not have existed.

 
Well guys nothing really happening for a long time. We got hours and hours before anything other than speculation is in the air. So I am going to retire for a while and go have some fun. It's been a long race. It's been tough in a lot of ways. Time to wind down. So I will wait in a world where my rules are the ones that matter. And I get to defend them at the end of a sword or perhaps with a little magic. You guys have fun.

 
Meanwhile, on the other end of the political spectrum, there are increasingly brown people on college campuses and at BLM events who outright say that they need safe spaces specifically because they're uncomfortable around white people.  This reverse yet more overt form of what you criticize is increasingly being supported by people on the Left.  Blatant double standards create resentment where it may otherwise not have existed.
I sure do hate when minorities make us poor white folks racist.  Really sad.

 
I don't subscribe to the view that people automatically inherit their political beliefs from their parents.  I certainly didn't.  Did you?
I think there are different ways to get your views.   Like religion, in politics I believe your family highly influences your views.   In both, how much they influence your views often depends on how committed they are to their stances.   For me I have questioned religion and I have question political stances I was raised with.  Now you have to first admit what has been instilled in you might be wrong to make any progress when looking for truth.  Not many people can do this, so they fall back on what they were taught and just simply want to be right, facts be damned.   Once you get enlightened you will soon find out that there is no 100% right or wrong religion or political ideology.  Then you have to decide what is important to you.  

 
I love all of the generalizations about why people are voting for a particular candidate.  

If a vote for Trump is being a racist, then I suppose a vote for Hillary is pro-corruption/pro-Satan Worship.  

There are a lot of reasons people are voting the way they are voting.  

 
I love all of the generalizations about why people are voting for a particular candidate.  

If a vote for Trump is being a racist, then I suppose a vote for Hillary is pro-corruption/pro-Satan Worship.  

There are a lot of reasons people are voting the way they are voting.  
The people who claim to celebrate diversity have become the most close-minded....it is amazing what a 180 many of the children of the 60's have done..they have become what they once loathed...

 
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