The Scalia seat will be easy. Just like the GOP let Obama's first two appointments go through easily. The GOP drew the line at Scalia's spot. The Dems will draw the line at Ginsburg spot. This is not any secret. Both sides have been consistent with this for the last few decades and it will continue.
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Smack Tripper
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I'm sure oj's kids felt bad he got locked up at the time.
I have sympathy for these children they don't know any better. But sympathy doesn't mean we throw out procedure because some kid is crying. Maybe these selfish parents should better shield their kids from this. Or is a third grader piecing this together on their own
Skoo
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...trucks filled with dirt all around it. Presuming to thwart a threat because I've been coming here often since primaries and there was increased security when he was home, but it looks like a war zone.[icon] said:This is good comedy here
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Smack Tripper
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A parent who would impart or not quell these sorts of rumors and speculation is selfish. I'll make the assumption teachers aren't the ones fanning this stuff.
Jayrod
Footballguy
One other thing I've learned from this election is that the fear mongering is alive and well on the left as well.
Trump will deport your Hispanic friends and family! LGBT are going to be persecuted! We are going back to the stone ages! He will start a nuclear war!
Yeah, none of that. He may suck as a President, but I don't think we will see a widespread scaling back of social changes.
Trump will deport your Hispanic friends and family! LGBT are going to be persecuted! We are going back to the stone ages! He will start a nuclear war!
Yeah, none of that. He may suck as a President, but I don't think we will see a widespread scaling back of social changes.
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A little of 1, a little of 2, just a pinch of 3, a teaspoon of 4, a heaping of 8, and a dash of 10, without the "otherwise she wins"
IvanKaramazov
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Hillary Clinton is the person who thought it was wise strategy to pick a public fight with the FBI a week before the election.
Skoo
Footballguy
A parent who is worried about possibly being deported is selfish for letting their kids know why they are upset? In what way is that being selfish?
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you're not making it very easy.
I mean if you think immigrants are terrible people just go ahead and say it. This is Trump's America now, the PC police can't harm you anymore.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Seriously. A week before the election. She could have been talking about her plans for health care or free college. Or emphasizing her foreign policy experience. Or pointing out how terrible and wretched her opponent was. Instead, she chose to remind voters about her long-running cat-and-mouse game with federal law enforcement.
Amazing.
Amazing.
derek245583
Footballguy
Can we start differentiating between illegal immigrants and immigrants? Please?
Big difference
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
"Hey, guys, career investigators at the FBI are after me because they think I mishandled classified information and endangered national security. Vote for me next week!"
This was the message of a great leader who lost mainly because of sexism?
This was the message of a great leader who lost mainly because of sexism?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Honestly, I'm a little bit concerned about this, and moreso about his seeming wish to have more countries obtain nuclear weapons.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
I hate to say it, but most people are selfish and only care about the plight of the oppressed up to a certain point. To be blunt here, social change is a fine platform if your largest constituency is reasonably comfortable.
Telling the disheartened middle class that the economy is fine and they should be happy because unemployment numbers are so low doesn't help things either.
I think the social changes will mostly be left alone; that wasn't really Trump's platform anyway.
Jayrod
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NCCommish
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Really? Have you met Mike Pence? The GOP gets votes promising those things and Mike likes to deliver.
SHIZNITTTT
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Been at work all day some thoughts...
Hillary spent 1 billion dollars on her campaign and still couldn't win against a reality, ##### grabbin' neanderthal. I am not so much sad today as stunned that so many people voted for Trump. I need to get back to the "real world" I guess because I had no clue so many people would vote for Trump. Sure I knew that Trump would carry Oklahoma and every other sister ####### state in the middle of the country, but not the more progressive states! I didn't also realize that so many people were hurting for work, or whatever the reason was that they voted for Trump. I understand my cousin who is in Indiana and works for a coal mine making over 200k a year was worried to death about losing his livelihood. But, why did everyone else vote for Trump? Not everyone owns a business, or is in the oil (AWL BIDNEZ) business/energy. Why would Joe Blow who works for at a 30k job a year vote for Trump?
Ugh, doesn't matter in the end Trump played Hillary like a violin. GG Donald, GG DONALD!
Hope he moves us forward and basically destroys both political parties as we know them. Oh, and he takes the ####### talking heads on both sides out to the woodshed and puts a bullet in their heads.
Go AMERICA!
Hillary spent 1 billion dollars on her campaign and still couldn't win against a reality, ##### grabbin' neanderthal. I am not so much sad today as stunned that so many people voted for Trump. I need to get back to the "real world" I guess because I had no clue so many people would vote for Trump. Sure I knew that Trump would carry Oklahoma and every other sister ####### state in the middle of the country, but not the more progressive states! I didn't also realize that so many people were hurting for work, or whatever the reason was that they voted for Trump. I understand my cousin who is in Indiana and works for a coal mine making over 200k a year was worried to death about losing his livelihood. But, why did everyone else vote for Trump? Not everyone owns a business, or is in the oil (AWL BIDNEZ) business/energy. Why would Joe Blow who works for at a 30k job a year vote for Trump?
Ugh, doesn't matter in the end Trump played Hillary like a violin. GG Donald, GG DONALD!
Hope he moves us forward and basically destroys both political parties as we know them. Oh, and he takes the ####### talking heads on both sides out to the woodshed and puts a bullet in their heads.
Go AMERICA!
NCCommish
Footballguy
Your friend is losing that job regardless. Trump may delay it but it's coming. Solar is competitive and cleaner per watt and the price keeps going down.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Jrodicus
Footballguy
The comparative price is going down because the price of coal fired plants is being artificially inflated.
I am all about solar power, but it is unreasonable in large parts of the nation due to lack of daylight.
Smack Tripper
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Did your parents level with you with every issue facing them? Mine certainly didn't. When my father was having his pay cut during the 80's recession, when his job was hanging by a thread, as a 5th grader I could put 2 and 2 together but when I would ask about it, they would tell me things are fine. Its what you do with a child. To tell a kid you may have to leave, with no basis in any fact, just makes no sense to me. To not be selifsh, would be to tell them things will be fine, even if you don't know. Its what you do as a parent.
I have no animosity toward illegals, but I have no special inclination to feel bad for them when they're deported. I'm migrant agnostic. I replied to a discussion that said words to the effect of "I'm sure immigrants are nervous today". As I said, I have sympathy, particularly for the children, feeling upset, I don't hate them. But because a child is crying in school, or a guy is upset he may get deported, we should void our immigration laws? What are you suggesting the result of children crying should be, and what laws in America should be subject to being void because of a kid's tears?
Jayrod
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Because you can't live comfortably on $30K per year anymore. While inflation has been slow, it still wasn't zero over the same period that wages were stagnant. My wife and I can't do much of anything extra and we make a combined $90K/yr. Middle and lower middle class people in the midwest are busting their asses and having little to show for it.
Then the rhetoric over the past 8 years became "you are a racist and a bigot and your life isn't that bad, so shut up." Couple that with the increases in health insurance costs and boom, Trump. People don't like having their livelihoods dwindle while being insulted. These people are actively pissed off at the government and the continued insults like "flyover country" and "rednecks" don't do the left any favors.
Anyway, those are some major reasons why so many people voted for Trump. I couldn't do it, but I know a lot who did.
Dedfin
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
A true leader sends a lackey out to tell everyone to go home and that she doesn't accept the results?
SHIZNITTTT
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Because I don't think significantly increasing my tax burden is a way to improve my financial situation.
TobiasFunke
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Well I hope that Donald can do something that is good for America. I just don't know what power the President has to make a difference on your concerns. I hope it works out for you and everyone else. GL
jonessed
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Gr00vus
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SacramentoBob
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There's a lot of good stuff in the old 2008 primary threads that I've been saving up and planning to release Wikileaks style. One of my favorites is Hillary shill @Trey saying he hopes Hillary goes all out trying to sabotage Obama for the general election, but in the Bernie Sanders thread he was very vocal about telling Bernie supporters they had to put aside any grudges and get behind Hillary.
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We are all trying to understand what happened.
I have seen all kinds of vitriolic stuff today pinning this on everyone but Hillary herself. Lest I remind you of 7 examples of things Clinton could have said around the office that would have made her a landslide winner, but were not in her character:
1. Compliance with the American people's right to transparency is more important than secrecy.
2. Donations from foreign nations are illegal and bad precedent.
3. Donna, you know I can't accept a sequestered question. It is unethical.
4. Installing my co-campaign chair head of the DNC is not fair play for the primaries.
5. There is a reasonable expectation that the corporations hiring me to speak in my very public run-up to running expect something in return, so tell them thank you but no.
6. My public and private position on globalism is the same and while it will tick off some, I will fight for it and defend it.
7. Of course we can't hire people to incite violence at Trump rallies. It's outrageous and you're fired for bringing it up. We're better than that.
At least consider that on top of all else, lack of integrity caught up.
I have seen all kinds of vitriolic stuff today pinning this on everyone but Hillary herself. Lest I remind you of 7 examples of things Clinton could have said around the office that would have made her a landslide winner, but were not in her character:
1. Compliance with the American people's right to transparency is more important than secrecy.
2. Donations from foreign nations are illegal and bad precedent.
3. Donna, you know I can't accept a sequestered question. It is unethical.
4. Installing my co-campaign chair head of the DNC is not fair play for the primaries.
5. There is a reasonable expectation that the corporations hiring me to speak in my very public run-up to running expect something in return, so tell them thank you but no.
6. My public and private position on globalism is the same and while it will tick off some, I will fight for it and defend it.
7. Of course we can't hire people to incite violence at Trump rallies. It's outrageous and you're fired for bringing it up. We're better than that.
At least consider that on top of all else, lack of integrity caught up.
Statorama
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sublimeone
Footballguy
You pretty much nailed it here. I pulled the lever for Gary Johnson myself, but I know at least a few, former democrats, who went for Trump. These are people in the middle and they feel like they're getting screwed. They feel like they're the only one's paying their fair share. The fat cats at the top are taken care of and so are the lazy/addicted/chronically unemployed at the bottom.
Middle class people, who live off of their paychecks, who once had a chance to make a decent living if they worked hard no longer feel they're being represented. They're angry and Trumps victory was driven by these people. Trump is a collective middle finger many of the hard-working, blue-collar, many union workers of the country. It's quite ironic that the voice of the workers came in the form of a blowhard billionaire... but there you have it. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction.
culdeus
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Trey is low hanging fruit. I don't really understand why he was so quiet this election, he was certainly around, but not vocal.
Mile High
Footballguy
Trey
Footballguy
I voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012 general elections.
I voted for the candidate who more closely aligned with my political philosophy in the 2016 primary.
And I don't blame Bernie voters for the loss. I would have voted Bernie over Trump had he prevailed but that's my prerogative.
Black Box
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IC FBGCav
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Hang 10
Footballguy
If Trump can negotiate some more favorable trade deals and get a handle on illegal immigration flooding the market with cheap labor than the thought is that jobs and wages could increase for the working class. You might not agree that he can do that but that's why he won.
I think that is probably a little harsh on Hillary. I imagine last night was incredibly emotional, and yes, maybe she could have come out to address her supporters - but I think the decision to send Podesta was made at the same time they made the decision to concede to Trump. Podesta was simply the mechanism to get the crowd to disperse quietly - potential to go sideways if they knew it was over. She was not ready to face the public after an emotional and humiliating loss. I am not going to find much fault there.
I don't think she waited too long to make the call, and I was expecting this to go well into today. Bottom line, I think she made the tough call, at the right time, and I think she nailed her concession speech today.
Trey
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Oh I'm sure in the heat of 2008 primary I was unhinged as I was super pro Clinton. Probably said some bat#### stuff.
But I cooled down and determined that Obama was a better chlife than McCain.
From the jump this year I've said Clinton is not a strong candidate and made plenty of unforced political errors. I absolutely thought she'd overcome them since it was Trump but I was painfully mistaken.
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