sho nuff
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Dont see Thompson going for an oft concussed TE. Unless he is there cheap after a week or two.
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I would say if he signs with Jax his fantasy numbers will be dismal
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
SCREEEEEEEEEEEECH
And Gronk/Graham become that much more valuable.
And Gronk/Graham become that much more valuable.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
I don't agree with your opinion. I think Wilson will develop into an elite QB, I think Bortles will be out of the league in two years.
The Jags have 80 million in cap space and nothing else going for them. If he signs with Jacksonville, to me it pretty much proves the speculation that he just wants the biggest contract and is done playing football.
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Bronx Bomber
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or maybe he has a professional athlete ego and thinks he can get paid and help his team win. These guys do have a lot of confidence....
Yea well I got news for you. Wilson already developed into an elite QB. On an offense that does not throw very often and whose high target for a player since he's been the QB was 98 and that was due in large part to attrition at the position.
Also you JT's best trait is catching TD's. Playing with Lynch and a rushing QB is not ideal for a high TD total.
Woah! Wilson is already elite? Did I miss something?
I defend Wilson all I can but I think you are jumping the gun a bit. He is a good NFL QB with an elite RB and all time best defense. Sure he does some amazing things to win but lets see his role expanded a bit more before we call him elite. You can't knock him for having Lynch but calling him good is not a knock I just can't put him in the top 3-4 QBs at this point.
Come on with that stuff man. It's not like I don't have DirecTV, Seattle games are not on TV or I don't watch the playoffs.
He actually had his worst statistical season last year which I'd chalk up to no Tate and injuries to WR's/TE's. But every year he's been in the NFL he's been top 10 in non-volume stats that matter like YPA and passer rating. All while not turning it over a lot and without adding it up I'd guess a TD/INT ratio that is also top 10.
The way the offense is designed and the weapons he has to work with don't make consistency easy. Serious question, how consistent do you think Peyton or Brady would have looked with Baldwin as their #1 WR and Kearse as arguably the second best option?
Run It Up
Footballguy
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I think'll he'll get there, but I don't think hes there.
12punch
Footballguy
fredsavage
Footballguy
didnt deion branch win a sb mvp or am I misremembering
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@PostBroncos: Per @MikeKlis: Julius Thomas to sign multi-yr deal with Jaguars (~$9M/yr), Orlando Franklin to S.D. (5yrs,$7.3M per) http://t.co/QqFwmtkiuq
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Random, but five minutes ago Thomas was traded in a $300 league I'm in for 1.08, straight up.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
You must have missed the first Super Bowl Tom Brady won with Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, David PatteRn, and Jermaine Wiggins as his passing targets / "weapons".
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I love Wilson's game, but you're jumping the gun with this elite crap. He has the best defense and a top 3 rb. That's the biggest factor to Seattle's success. He looks to be on his way, but elite doesn't accurately describe Wilson.
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. The confusion here is in the detail. An "elite" player should be, by definition, one of the top small handful of players. Wilson is a very good player on an elite TEAM, but, in a stand alone comp, he isn't elite as is Rodgers, manning, brady, and a few other accomplished QBS that have shown the ability to strap a team to their back and carry them.
Not confused. You can measure a QB two ways. One is wins, we know he does that. The other is stats. He's not a high volume passer so he'll never put down the yardage like some of those other players you call elite and most of the time fall short on TD's. But in terms of production per pass attempt, he's right there with all those QB's you just mentioned. That's just factual and he's done with worse weapons.
He just unconventional and I think that's the confusion in the detail. He's not and never will be a classic drop back passer but that does not take away from his effectiveness.
Seriously? Did you miss the part when Wilson won a SB and just went to another one? Did you miss the part where Wilson had better passing numbers than Brady did before he got Moss and the Gronk? Guess you also missed the part where Brady was once considered more of a game manager and not elite. Probably missed that part in 2013 when Gronk got hurt and he struggled.You must have missed the first Super Bowl Tom Brady won with Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, David PatteRn, and Jermaine Wiggins as his passing targets / "weapons".
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Right, because it would be that hard to throw $8M a year at Murray to get him. Signs are pointing to Blackmon returning, might not last long but it looks like he'll get another chance.
Shutout
Footballguy
I follow what you say and agree. I think what happens is, like you say, people measure players by wins or they measure them by stats and the gaudy stats that drive FF is what gets most of the responses here.
So, if he's not earning you 350+ fantasy points but we still try to make a case that he is elite/at the top, etc, we point out that he gets the job done (he's a winner with efficient stats where it matters). And then as soon as we do that, somebody comes out and says "Trent Dilfer was a winner too.. Has as many rings as player "X".
Just hard to drive the thought home in this forum. There are probably some football purists that hate FF that have a whole list of players they would rank very high that a lot of us would overlook. I imagine Wilson probably is one of them because forget the stats, he just seems to have that intangible "it". You just feel like he can get the job done and he doesn't have to get 48 TDs to prove he belongs (to me).
So, if he's not earning you 350+ fantasy points but we still try to make a case that he is elite/at the top, etc, we point out that he gets the job done (he's a winner with efficient stats where it matters). And then as soon as we do that, somebody comes out and says "Trent Dilfer was a winner too.. Has as many rings as player "X".
Just hard to drive the thought home in this forum. There are probably some football purists that hate FF that have a whole list of players they would rank very high that a lot of us would overlook. I imagine Wilson probably is one of them because forget the stats, he just seems to have that intangible "it". You just feel like he can get the job done and he doesn't have to get 48 TDs to prove he belongs (to me).
Casting Couch
Footballguy
You were referring to consistency, and I'm telling you Tom Brady was pretty damn consistent, throwing the ball to garbage can targets.menobrown said:Seriously? Did you miss the part when Wilson won a SB and just went to another one? Did you miss the part where Wilson had better passing numbers than Brady did before he got Moss and the Gronk? Guess you also missed the part where Brady was once considered more of a game manager and not elite. Probably missed that part in 2013 when Gronk got hurt and he struggled.Casting Couch said:You must have missed the first Super Bowl Tom Brady won with Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, David PatteRn, and Jermaine Wiggins as his passing targets / "weapons".
I love Russell Wilson, and I'll rush to his side if anyone bashes him, but your comment about Brady not showing consistency with less than elite WRs is just plain wrong.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Shannon Sharpe calls Julius Thomas a quitter
http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/3/10/8181573/shannon-sharpe-on-julius-thomas-he-quit-on-the-broncos
Then he embarrasses himself on twitter - "that's not what your wife said last night"
http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/3/10/8181573/shannon-sharpe-on-julius-thomas-he-quit-on-the-broncos
Then he embarrasses himself on twitter - "that's not what your wife said last night"
massraider
Footballguy
JaxBill
Footballguy
I think he was less consistent than Wilson, sorry sensitive Brady fan but that's just how it goes. All QB's will have times they are not consistent, but when you have elite weapons to work with it sure helps maintain more consistency.You were referring to consistency, and I'm telling you Tom Brady was pretty damn consistent, throwing the ball to garbage can targets.menobrown said:Seriously? Did you miss the part when Wilson won a SB and just went to another one? Did you miss the part where Wilson had better passing numbers than Brady did before he got Moss and the Gronk? Guess you also missed the part where Brady was once considered more of a game manager and not elite. Probably missed that part in 2013 when Gronk got hurt and he struggled.Casting Couch said:You must have missed the first Super Bowl Tom Brady won with Reche Caldwell, Troy Brown, David PatteRn, and Jermaine Wiggins as his passing targets / "weapons".
I love Russell Wilson, and I'll rush to his side if anyone bashes him, but your comment about Brady not showing consistency with less than elite WRs is just plain wrong.
monessen
Footballguy
Julius Thomas took the most money he could get from a warm-weather team playing where there's no state income tax. Reportedly, the Broncos did not make him an offer to stay.
Though he was hurt in 2014, his value to the offense from the Rams' game vs Denver to the finish line was pretty minimal. Targeted only a couple of times a game and Peyton kept looking elsewhere to throw.
Though he was hurt in 2014, his value to the offense from the Rams' game vs Denver to the finish line was pretty minimal. Targeted only a couple of times a game and Peyton kept looking elsewhere to throw.
DropKick
Footballguy
Sharpe just doesn't know when to shut up... I cringe whenever he is in TV... So biased... Easily the worst of the former players
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
And thats pretty much when Peytons season tanked.
A healthy Julius is when Peyton was at his nastiest in denver
monessen
Footballguy
Hasn't his dad been lobbying for him to go to Seattle for a long time now? I would think the "potential," if not the big money would be there. Fascinating how the Graham-Unger trade was made not long after this dash to a team with modest, at best, hopes for 2015 success.
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Kool-Aid Larry
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