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i can't believe Thomas would do something this stupid. Apparently Thomas' family does ok financially, but obviously nowhere near well enough to drop 100K on some stupid ### jewelry. (I'll never understand why athletes, especially black athletes are so into this stupid crap)

This looks horrible on all levels. That being said, what kind of businessman gives 70K in credit to a 22 year old who had no chance of being drafted?

Shame on Thomas. God forbid you wait 3 months until the season is over to buy a black diamond studded jesus necklace :wall:

And yes, this makes all crap Duke fans talked about UNC the last few weeks look very stupid (even though what happened at UNC is worse than this, its still probably against the rules if true)
Businesses let people buy things on credit that they may not necessarily be able to afford all the time. It's not a particularly savory practice, but it happens. If Thomas believed he could land a decent gig in Europe, and he had plenty of time to repay the $70K, it's not entirely unreasonable. It's not a bright financial purchase by any stretch, but even without the NBA, he has far more future earning potential than your average Duke grad, especially for those next 5 years or so.

 
i can't believe Thomas would do something this stupid. Apparently Thomas' family does ok financially, but obviously nowhere near well enough to drop 100K on some stupid ### jewelry. (I'll never understand why athletes, especially black athletes are so into this stupid crap)

This looks horrible on all levels. That being said, what kind of businessman gives 70K in credit to a 22 year old who had no chance of being drafted?

Shame on Thomas. God forbid you wait 3 months until the season is over to buy a black diamond studded jesus necklace :wall:

And yes, this makes all crap Duke fans talked about UNC the last few weeks look very stupid (even though what happened at UNC is worse than this, its still probably against the rules if true)
Businesses let people buy things on credit that they may not necessarily be able to afford all the time. It's not a particularly savory practice, but it happens. If Thomas believed he could land a decent gig in Europe, and he had plenty of time to repay the $70K, it's not entirely unreasonable. It's not a bright financial purchase by any stretch, but even without the NBA, he has far more future earning potential than your average Duke grad, especially for those next 5 years or so.
I'm not worried about the loan portion of it. That's not totally unreasonable. The initial 30K is what concerns me. My hope is that his mom put away money for college that obviously was covered by his scholarship, so she decided to give it to him as a gift. (Had 3 friends in HS who landed full D1 rides and their parents used the $$ they had saved to buy them really nice cars instead) Then he's just a moron who dropped 30K of his mom's hard earned money on some jewelry.The problem is that even if the downpayment is explained, you could still make the argument that the jeweler only gave him the loan because of his status as a potential pro. (as remote as that seemed at the time)

 
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Ruh roh:

DALLAS (AP) --Lawsuit: Duke player purchased $100,000 in jewelry A starter on Duke's 2010 national championship team purchased nearly $100,000 in custom jewelry that season from a New York firm that caters to professional athletes and is now suing him for failing to pay the balance of what he owes.

Lance Thomas purchased five pieces of diamond jewelry at a cost of $97,800 on Dec. 21, 2009, in the middle of his senior season, according the lawsuit. Documents included with the suit indicate he made a $30,000 down payment and received $67,800 in credit from the firm, the balance that remains unpaid.

Thomas started 39 games at forward during the 2009-2010 season, including the Blue Devils' 61-59 victory over Butler in the championship game. He wasn't drafted by an NBA team but played last season for the New Orleans Hornets.

The Associated Press recently obtained a copy of the lawsuit, which was filed in January but hasn't been publicly disclosed. It was filed in Austin, Texas, because Thomas was playing for the Austin Toros of the NBA Developmental League at the time.

A Duke spokesman said the university knows about the lawsuit and is looking into it.

"We have been made aware of a lawsuit filed by a jeweler against former men's basketball player Lance Thomas and we are currently looking into the matter," said Jon Jackson, the school's associate athletic director for media relations.

NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said the organization also is aware of the matter and is in communication with Duke.

NCAA rules regarding amateurism prohibit athletes from receiving benefits that aren't available to all students. Speaking generally, Osburn said "the test" for such a violation is whether "the general student body, or someone similarly situated, would be able to get the same benefit or treatment."

Thomas, 24, is from Scotch Plains, N.J., and played at prep power St. Benedict's, according to his biography on the Duke website. The site said his mother is a manager at a Ford plant in New Jersey.

John Spencer, an agent who has represented Thomas, said he wasn't aware of the jewelry purchase. He referred all comment on the lawsuit to an Austin attorney who is representing Thomas in the matter. The attorney didn't return phone messages from the AP.

Rafaello & Co., which also does business as A+A Diamonds Ltd., promotes itself as a "deluxe" jeweler whose customers include New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony and actors Jamie Foxx and Don Cheadle.

Mike Bowers, the firm's attorney, said Thomas purchased a black diamond necklace, a diamond-encrusted watch, a pair of diamond studs, a diamond cross and a black diamond pendant in the shape of Jesus' head. According to the purchase order, signed by Thomas, the player agreed to pay a deposit of at least 25 percent of the purchase price and the remainder in 15 days.

Bowers said he was unaware of how Thomas made the required down payment.

Bowers said he's seen no evidence that anyone other than Thomas was involved in the transaction and he doesn't know why the Duke player was extended credit for most of the purchase.

"It was a clean, clear-cut transaction between Mr. Thomas and my client, and I don't see anything that warrants me asking anything beyond that," Bowers said. "Speaking hypothetically, if he came in on a bicycle with tattered jeans, I doubt seriously he would have been sold jewelry, but I'm not drawing conclusions. The terms here are clear."

Rafaello & Co. filed a similar lawsuit against Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant last year, claiming he hadn't paid $240,000 for jewelry he purchased between January and May 2010. The purchases detailed in that suit, which has since been settled, occurred after Bryant announced he was leaving Oklahoma State and was entering the 2010 NFL draft.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/07/Lance-Thomas-Duke-jewelry.ap/index.html#ixzz25pCvAB5U
 
Ruh roh:

DALLAS (AP) --Lawsuit: Duke player purchased $100,000 in jewelry A starter on Duke's 2010 national championship team purchased nearly $100,000 in custom jewelry that season from a New York firm that caters to professional athletes and is now suing him for failing to pay the balance of what he owes.

Lance Thomas purchased five pieces of diamond jewelry at a cost of $97,800 on Dec. 21, 2009, in the middle of his senior season, according the lawsuit. Documents included with the suit indicate he made a $30,000 down payment and received $67,800 in credit from the firm, the balance that remains unpaid.

Thomas started 39 games at forward during the 2009-2010 season, including the Blue Devils' 61-59 victory over Butler in the championship game. He wasn't drafted by an NBA team but played last season for the New Orleans Hornets.

The Associated Press recently obtained a copy of the lawsuit, which was filed in January but hasn't been publicly disclosed. It was filed in Austin, Texas, because Thomas was playing for the Austin Toros of the NBA Developmental League at the time.

A Duke spokesman said the university knows about the lawsuit and is looking into it.

"We have been made aware of a lawsuit filed by a jeweler against former men's basketball player Lance Thomas and we are currently looking into the matter," said Jon Jackson, the school's associate athletic director for media relations.

NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said the organization also is aware of the matter and is in communication with Duke.

NCAA rules regarding amateurism prohibit athletes from receiving benefits that aren't available to all students. Speaking generally, Osburn said "the test" for such a violation is whether "the general student body, or someone similarly situated, would be able to get the same benefit or treatment."

Thomas, 24, is from Scotch Plains, N.J., and played at prep power St. Benedict's, according to his biography on the Duke website. The site said his mother is a manager at a Ford plant in New Jersey.

John Spencer, an agent who has represented Thomas, said he wasn't aware of the jewelry purchase. He referred all comment on the lawsuit to an Austin attorney who is representing Thomas in the matter. The attorney didn't return phone messages from the AP.

Rafaello & Co., which also does business as A+A Diamonds Ltd., promotes itself as a "deluxe" jeweler whose customers include New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony and actors Jamie Foxx and Don Cheadle.

Mike Bowers, the firm's attorney, said Thomas purchased a black diamond necklace, a diamond-encrusted watch, a pair of diamond studs, a diamond cross and a black diamond pendant in the shape of Jesus' head. According to the purchase order, signed by Thomas, the player agreed to pay a deposit of at least 25 percent of the purchase price and the remainder in 15 days.

Bowers said he was unaware of how Thomas made the required down payment.

Bowers said he's seen no evidence that anyone other than Thomas was involved in the transaction and he doesn't know why the Duke player was extended credit for most of the purchase.

"It was a clean, clear-cut transaction between Mr. Thomas and my client, and I don't see anything that warrants me asking anything beyond that," Bowers said. "Speaking hypothetically, if he came in on a bicycle with tattered jeans, I doubt seriously he would have been sold jewelry, but I'm not drawing conclusions. The terms here are clear."

Rafaello & Co. filed a similar lawsuit against Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant last year, claiming he hadn't paid $240,000 for jewelry he purchased between January and May 2010. The purchases detailed in that suit, which has since been settled, occurred after Bryant announced he was leaving Oklahoma State and was entering the 2010 NFL draft.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/09/07/Lance-Thomas-Duke-jewelry.ap/index.html#ixzz25pCvAB5U
Exactly. Duke fans on the boards are already starting to put their heads in the sand, but this could be a big big deal. (as in Marcus Camby big). Great start to my weekend, that's for sure.....

 
Well, question one, obviously, is where did the 30K come from.

Question two is where Lance Thomas thought the additional 70K was going to come from.

This is a pretty stupid thing to do, but even if it turns out Thomas got the 30K from a source that would render him ineligible, I doubt the banner's coming down.
Of course not and as Ripley will undoubtedly tell is, this a complete misunderstanding.As much as I thought something would have come about from the UNC academic scandal, it would be kind of amusing to me after how much BuckRipley banged the drum for UNC being cheaters if they played an ineligible player who had received improper benefits for the sacred Duke basketball team.
Between the UNC situation and the fact that this conversation has been going on for about an hour without a peep from the above mentioned Duke fan now has me wondering. He's been quiet. Too quiet. Do you think, given his apparent insider status with the program, that he knew this was coming down; knew it was bad, and he went into hiding. That's the only logical explanation I can think of. :sarcasm: And I won't say the name for fear that it has a Beetlejuice effect.

 
And seriously, shouldn't every NC State fan in the world be playing the lottery right now. The karma wave the Pack is riding is absurd.

 
Well, question one, obviously, is where did the 30K come from.

Question two is where Lance Thomas thought the additional 70K was going to come from.

This is a pretty stupid thing to do, but even if it turns out Thomas got the 30K from a source that would render him ineligible, I doubt the banner's coming down.
Of course not and as Ripley will undoubtedly tell is, this a complete misunderstanding.As much as I thought something would have come about from the UNC academic scandal, it would be kind of amusing to me after how much BuckRipley banged the drum for UNC being cheaters if they played an ineligible player who had received improper benefits for the sacred Duke basketball team.
Between the UNC situation and the fact that this conversation has been going on for about an hour without a peep from the above mentioned Duke fan now has me wondering. He's been quiet. Too quiet. Do you think, given his apparent insider status with the program, that he knew this was coming down; knew it was bad, and he went into hiding. That's the only logical explanation I can think of. :sarcasm: And I won't say the name for fear that it has a Beetlejuice effect.
Think he's been gone for awhile now, no? Not that I'm complaining.
 
Well, question one, obviously, is where did the 30K come from.

Question two is where Lance Thomas thought the additional 70K was going to come from.

This is a pretty stupid thing to do, but even if it turns out Thomas got the 30K from a source that would render him ineligible, I doubt the banner's coming down.
Of course not and as Ripley will undoubtedly tell is, this a complete misunderstanding.As much as I thought something would have come about from the UNC academic scandal, it would be kind of amusing to me after how much BuckRipley banged the drum for UNC being cheaters if they played an ineligible player who had received improper benefits for the sacred Duke basketball team.
Between the UNC situation and the fact that this conversation has been going on for about an hour without a peep from the above mentioned Duke fan now has me wondering. He's been quiet. Too quiet. Do you think, given his apparent insider status with the program, that he knew this was coming down; knew it was bad, and he went into hiding. That's the only logical explanation I can think of. :sarcasm: And I won't say the name for fear that it has a Beetlejuice effect.
Think he's been gone for awhile now, no? Not that I'm complaining.
Yea. I think several people noticed his absence. I wasn't complaining either. Just figured that if this doesn't bring him back out, nothing will.
 
If we learn Lance accepted money from someone illegally I'll pile on him just like a UNCheat fan would. From all accounts Lance is a good kid, and comes from a good family, just seems out of character. But hey, I'm just glad he's got a Duke degree he actually earned in the classroom and makes a paycheck so he can make good on his debts. :thumbup:

 
If UK can land Randall, it would probably be Calipari's best recruiting class ever.

It is interesting that of the 6 top-10 recruits who have committed, all chose the SEC.

 
The Muhammads are saying that they may have screwed up with the unofficials they took to Duke and UNC that were paid for by one of Shabazz's "advisors." They are adamant that the only things they have been asked about are with regard to those and that they've given the NCAA everything. They expect to have to "take their medicine" with regard to those.
Sounds like that medicine might be coming in a giant suppository form! :lmao: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10 /22/comments-by-shabazz-muhammads-lawyer-are-not-a -good-sign/It sounds like Shabazz Muhammad might be in trouble when it comes to his NCAA eligibility.Let’s ignore what we already know for a second. Let’s forget about the fact that he wasn’t cleared to go on a trip to China with the rest of his UCLA team and that his sister is sponsored by the same shoe company that sponsored his AAU team and sponsors UCLA. Let’s get past all the issues with his association to agents and financial advisers and all of the mess surrounding his unofficial visits across the country.All you need to know about Muhammad’s attempt to become NCAA eligible is this quote that his lawyer, Robert Orr, gave to the LA Times on Sunday night:“Shabazz didn’t even turn 18 until November of 2011 and until he signed with UCLA in April of this year was not under NCAA jurisdiction,” Orr said.Obviously, we don’t know the context of the quote, so this will all be speculation. But the speculation isn’t all that difficult, is it? This is, essentially, Orr telling one of the biggest papers in the country that the NCAA shouldn’t be allowed to punish Muhammad — or, for that matter, Anderson or any recruit that asks for an NLI signing bonus or has their recruitment brokered by an agent — for the amateurism violations his committed while in high school.That’s not a defense. That’s a technicality. That’s semantics. That’s Ross trying to convince Rachel he didn’t cheat on her because they were on a break.And it doesn’t even work. Take, for example, NCAA Bylaw 12.01.3, which says: NCAA amateur status may be lost as a result of activities prior to enrollment in college. If NCAA rules specify that an “individual” may or may not participate in certain activities, this term refers to a person prior to and after enrollment in a member institution. If NCAA rules specify a “student-athlete,” the legislation applies only to that person’s activities after enrollment.If you continue on to NCAA Bylaw 12.1.2, you’ll find this (my emphasis added): An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual: (a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport; (b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation; © Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1; (Revised: 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10) (d) Receives, directly or indirectly, a salary, reimbursement of expenses or any other form of financial assistance from a professional sports organization based on athletics skill or participation, except as permitted by NCAA rules and regulations; (e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.5, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1; (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10) (f) After initial full-time collegiate enrollment, enters into a professional draft (see Bylaw 12.2.4); or (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03) (g) Enters into an agreement with an agent. (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)So, you see, the NCAA is quite clear on these matters.What that means is that Muhammad’s lawyer is getting ready to go back and attack the very basis on which the NCAA determines pre-enrollment amateurism.That means one of two things: either Muhammad knows that the NCAA has him dead-to-rights accepting illegal benefits that would jeopardize his amateurism, or his has a really bad lawyer.Either way, that’s not a promising sign for UCLA fans.
 
The Muhammads are saying that they may have screwed up with the unofficials they took to Duke and UNC that were paid for by one of Shabazz's "advisors." They are adamant that the only things they have been asked about are with regard to those and that they've given the NCAA everything. They expect to have to "take their medicine" with regard to those.
Sounds like that medicine might be coming in a giant suppository form! :lmao: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10 /22/comments-by-shabazz-muhammads-lawyer-are-not-a -good-sign/It sounds like Shabazz Muhammad might be in trouble when it comes to his NCAA eligibility.Let’s ignore what we already know for a second. Let’s forget about the fact that he wasn’t cleared to go on a trip to China with the rest of his UCLA team and that his sister is sponsored by the same shoe company that sponsored his AAU team and sponsors UCLA. Let’s get past all the issues with his association to agents and financial advisers and all of the mess surrounding his unofficial visits across the country.All you need to know about Muhammad’s attempt to become NCAA eligible is this quote that his lawyer, Robert Orr, gave to the LA Times on Sunday night:“Shabazz didn’t even turn 18 until November of 2011 and until he signed with UCLA in April of this year was not under NCAA jurisdiction,” Orr said.Obviously, we don’t know the context of the quote, so this will all be speculation. But the speculation isn’t all that difficult, is it? This is, essentially, Orr telling one of the biggest papers in the country that the NCAA shouldn’t be allowed to punish Muhammad — or, for that matter, Anderson or any recruit that asks for an NLI signing bonus or has their recruitment brokered by an agent — for the amateurism violations his committed while in high school.That’s not a defense. That’s a technicality. That’s semantics. That’s Ross trying to convince Rachel he didn’t cheat on her because they were on a break.And it doesn’t even work. Take, for example, NCAA Bylaw 12.01.3, which says: NCAA amateur status may be lost as a result of activities prior to enrollment in college. If NCAA rules specify that an “individual” may or may not participate in certain activities, this term refers to a person prior to and after enrollment in a member institution. If NCAA rules specify a “student-athlete,” the legislation applies only to that person’s activities after enrollment.If you continue on to NCAA Bylaw 12.1.2, you’ll find this (my emphasis added): An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual: (a) Uses his or her athletics skill (directly or indirectly) for pay in any form in that sport; (b) Accepts a promise of pay even if such pay is to be received following completion of intercollegiate athletics participation; © Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1; (Revised: 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10) (d) Receives, directly or indirectly, a salary, reimbursement of expenses or any other form of financial assistance from a professional sports organization based on athletics skill or participation, except as permitted by NCAA rules and regulations; (e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.5, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1; (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10) (f) After initial full-time collegiate enrollment, enters into a professional draft (see Bylaw 12.2.4); or (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03) (g) Enters into an agreement with an agent. (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)So, you see, the NCAA is quite clear on these matters.What that means is that Muhammad’s lawyer is getting ready to go back and attack the very basis on which the NCAA determines pre-enrollment amateurism.That means one of two things: either Muhammad knows that the NCAA has him dead-to-rights accepting illegal benefits that would jeopardize his amateurism, or his has a really bad lawyer.Either way, that’s not a promising sign for UCLA fans.
Yeah, it sucks that a trip paid for by a Muhammad family acquaintance so he could visit your beloved Duke and Coach K might screw Muhammad (and, by extension, UCLA). I blame Coach K for trying to convince a kid who obviously couldn't afford it to come visit Durham (and Chapel Hill, too) and meet him. Way to take advantage and exploit a kid, teacher K!In any case, that's not really a fair portrayal of the situation. From what I've gathered, the Muhammads have never questioned the NCAA's jurisdiction and this article is pure speculation based on one quote from his attorney. If they were fighting jurisdiction, they never would have provided all the information they already have provided.On the flip side, this is ridiculous on the part of the Muhammads. They aren't some unsophisticated family in Podunk, Square State. Both of his parents played D-1 sports and he's been one of the top 5 (and, over the past year or so, the #1) recruits in the country for years. This is the same family and inner circle that thought it was a good idea to have him hold off on publicly committing to UCLA in November when he had already told UCLA and everyone close to him that he was going to UCLA. This did absolutely nothing to benefit him. All it did, after UCLA's crappy season, was create more questions about why he'd go to UCLA. It's also the same group of people that allowed unrelated financial "advisers" to pay for at least some of his unofficial trips and help fund his AAU program. They simply aren't making good decisions and, who knows, maybe they have done an about face and are now going to fight the NCAA until the season is over and Muhammad can jump to the NBA.I feel bad for the kid because I don't think he's the one that made the decision on who is paying for what and when, but these are issues that the average fan who follows recruiting would know to steer clear from.And, beyond that, I don't feel good about the job security of Ben Howland if Muhammad and Anderson are not cleared by the Pac-12 slate. This is going to have major ramifications for the program (in terms of jobs, not sanctions). At least UCLA should be flush with cash to bring in whoever the next hot coach is if it comes to that.Oh well. At least Ridley/Buck Stop gets the last laugh since trips to his school are what is getting Muhammad in hot water...
 
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I have no idea what happened with Muhammad, but I seriously doubt they really needed money to go out to North Carolina. I believe the family lives in a HUGE house in Vegas.

Also, his sister is a "professional" tennis player sponsored by Adidas, so they shouldn't have any problems affording a couple of flights.

I'm actually kind of interested to see what happens with his younger brother. (senior in HS this year). He's not nearly the player Shabazz is, but he's probably good enough to be a good mid-major player. You have to wonder if a school like that takes a risk on him with the family potentially compromised by extra benefits.

 
So, pretty wide-open this year, eh?
Although I'll always consider Peyton Siva shaky, I think I like Louisville. Great coach, a bunch of grown ### men in the front court and the experience from last year's final 4 run. The Blackshear, Harrell, Behanan, Hanckock and Dieng front court is pretty awesome.
 
More not so good news for UCLA

UCLA swingman Shabazz Muhammad injured his right shoulder during basketball practice Wednesday, another potentially serious obstacle for a player considered among the most talented freshmen in the nation.

The extent of the injury is unknown. UCLA officials are awaiting the results of an MRI exam.

Muhammad, who at 6 feet 6 can play shooting guard or forward, is part of a UCLA recruiting class that scouting services ranked as high as second nationally.

Guards Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams and post player Tony Parker are the other freshman members of the class. But Muhammad and Anderson have not been cleared by the NCAA, which is examining their eligibility.

Investigators are looking into financial assistance Muhammad received from a man the family has said is a longtime friend. They have also asked about money that a financial planner gave to Muhammad's summer team in Las Vegas.

With Anderson, the NCAA appears to be focusing on the relationship between his father and an NBA agent.

 
Its obvious UCLA is dirty, so I am enjoying a laugh over this. I'll do the same thing when Calapari gets caught too.
How so? Muhammad's violation(s) stem from dealings with Duke, a school that played dirty Lance Thomas (it was him, right?) a few seasons ago.
 
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More not so good news for UCLAUCLA swingman Shabazz Muhammad injured his right shoulder during basketball practice Wednesday, another potentially serious obstacle for a player considered among the most talented freshmen in the nation.The extent of the injury is unknown. UCLA officials are awaiting the results of an MRI exam.Muhammad, who at 6 feet 6 can play shooting guard or forward, is part of a UCLA recruiting class that scouting services ranked as high as second nationally.Guards Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams and post player Tony Parker are the other freshman members of the class. But Muhammad and Anderson have not been cleared by the NCAA, which is examining their eligibility.Investigators are looking into financial assistance Muhammad received from a man the family has said is a longtime friend. They have also asked about money that a financial planner gave to Muhammad's summer team in Las Vegas.With Anderson, the NCAA appears to be focusing on the relationship between his father and an NBA agent.
An injury to Muhammad. I bet you're downright giddy about this latest development!
 
Are we doing a fantasy college hoops league again?
I check with RnR several days ago and he said he didn't have the bandwidth this year. I think there probably would be interest, but it's finding someone with time to set it up (and better understanding of the max games allowed rules.)
 
Some of the KU superfans love the upside of this Cameroonian kid, Joel Embiid:

Joel Embiid, Cameroonian 7-footer, looks like real deal just one year after first picking up a ball

Watching the highlight video of him reminds me of when Ted Striker was in the Peace Corps and showed some basketball basics to some African natives, and a few minutes later the villagers are pulling Globetrotters tricks on the court.

There's room on the Jayhawks rotation next season for one more big, and I'm not making any claims about where Embiid is headed, but I guess it would take a lot of convincing to get him to leave Gainesville.
From what I've read, he's really tight with AAU teammates Chris Walker and Kasey Hill (both of whom are committed to Florida). Wish Duke would kick the tires (as the 2013-14 front court will be dreadful if they miss on either Nichols or Parker, which is a very very real possibility) but its probably too late to get involved. Ferris: Any concern around KU regarding Manning's departure? They've obviously been great at developing bigs, but losing Manning could cost them some serious cache on the recruiting trail.

 
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From what I've read, he's really tight with AAU teammates Chris Walker and Kasey Hill (both of whom are committed to Florida). Wish Duke would kick the tires (as the 2013-14 front court will be dreadful if they miss on either Nichols or Parker, which is a very very real possibility) but its probably too late to get involved.
Thanks! I hadn't followed recruiting quite as closely as I have the last couple years, but it's not like the local football teams are a distraction. :bag:
Ferris: Any concern around KU regarding Manning's departure? They've obviously been great at developing bigs, but losing Manning could cost them some serious cache on the recruiting trail.
Manning was a luxury to have on the staff and we were very lucky to have him. He was ready to run his own program 2-3 years ago, but he didn't want to leave Lawrence until his kids were in college. He will be missed on the recruiting trail, but the word is where he will be missed most is during practice. He's a great teacher of the game, and having someone the height of a college PF who could still move around pretty good demonstrating what to do on the court sped up the learning curve for Robinson and the Morrises. The players today don't care much about what Manning did as a player in 1988, but the KU alumni and boosters sure so. He handled the balancing act of honoring his past without living in it really well, IMO. Manning left on good terms with the program and the school. His daughter plays volleyball for KU, and his son is a freshman Jayhawk who will walk-on the basketball team. Self isn't going anywhere anytime soon - I'd be very surprised if he takes an NBA job - but down the road I'll be thrilled if Manning is a qualified frontrunner to be Self's successor.
No question that Manning actually developed KU's big men in practice. However, I'd argue that his status as a former college star weighed very heavily on recruits, even today. You know how other teams recruit negatively against Duke because 5'11 Wojo is the big man coach? (which is pretty absurd, considering that Pete Newell was like 6'2, but that's an argument for another day) That obviously wasn't happening to KU. Even if today's recruits don't know a thing about Manning and the Miracles, their parents probably do. Having the 6'10 former All American and Pro to coach/recruit the bigs was a huge advantage for KU. It will be interesting to see if they continue to bring in as many good post players with him gone.
 
UCLA is his #3. Obviously this is based on Shabazz and Anderson playing full seasons, but he's also a buyer on Larry Drew II and the Wear twins. Says those three are good half-court players who looked lost playing at UNC's pace, but are good fits for Howland.
Anderson has been cleared, but this is too high. The trip to China and the extra practice time they got from that was supposed to be huge in terms of getting the team to gel. But, due to injuries and the NCAA, the entire team didn't get much practice time together and now Muhammad (and Anderson) is hurt. Even if Muhammad is cleared to play in all the games, it's going to take awhile to get them playing at their optimal level. And, even when that does occur, the team figures to be pretty mediocre to bad defensively. The team lacks elite athleticism and is pretty slow overall.
 
Really hope Emanuel doesn't drag his feet in re: signing Ollie. I know 30 minutes isn't much to go on, but he's got them playing really well given their limitations. I'd hate to see him make a mess out of what is really an easy and obvious decision.

 
Shabazz Muhammed ruled ineligible by NCAA
This isn't permanent yet, is it?Bummer about the carrier games. Dunno if it's something they can get ironed out, but I hope they do.
The reports I saw said there was no timetable announced by NCAA. UCLA is fighting it.
As I understand it, he is "permanently" ineligible. UCLA can either appeal that determination, or apply for reinstatement. They are trying to determine the fastest resolution. I'd guess 4-5 games when all is said and done. But based on the 9 games the kids from IU got, who knows what the NCAA thinks...
 
Shabazz Muhammed ruled ineligible by NCAA
This isn't permanent yet, is it?Bummer about the carrier games. Dunno if it's something they can get ironed out, but I hope they do.
The reports I saw said there was no timetable announced by NCAA. UCLA is fighting it.
As I understand it, he is "permanently" ineligible. UCLA can either appeal that determination, or apply for reinstatement. They are trying to determine the fastest resolution. I'd guess 4-5 games when all is said and done.
That's my understanding, too. This is not a suspension, but a ruling that Shabazz is a professional player and therefore ineligible for NCAA amateur athletics. UCLA can appeal the ruling to try to get Shabazz on the court, but the NCAA won't unilaterally decide Shabazz can play college basketball.Awesome that people acting on behalf of Duke and UNC ended up screwing UCLA without doing any damage to their own programs.
But based on the 9 games the kids from IU got, who knows what the NCAA thinks...
:goodposting: If there's anything we've learned about the NCAA, it's that there is no such thing as "precedent" with them.
The L.A. Times is now reporting that Shabazz has been cleared. Good. His ineligibility was ridiculous.
 
Shabazz Muhammed ruled ineligible by NCAA
This isn't permanent yet, is it?Bummer about the carrier games. Dunno if it's something they can get ironed out, but I hope they do.
The reports I saw said there was no timetable announced by NCAA. UCLA is fighting it.
As I understand it, he is "permanently" ineligible. UCLA can either appeal that determination, or apply for reinstatement. They are trying to determine the fastest resolution. I'd guess 4-5 games when all is said and done.
That's my understanding, too. This is not a suspension, but a ruling that Shabazz is a professional player and therefore ineligible for NCAA amateur athletics. UCLA can appeal the ruling to try to get Shabazz on the court, but the NCAA won't unilaterally decide Shabazz can play college basketball.Awesome that people acting on behalf of Duke and UNC ended up screwing UCLA without doing any damage to their own programs.
But based on the 9 games the kids from IU got, who knows what the NCAA thinks...
:goodposting: If there's anything we've learned about the NCAA, it's that there is no such thing as "precedent" with them.
The L.A. Times is now reporting that Shabazz has been cleared. Good. His ineligibility was ridiculous.
Link? Not seeing this anywhere.
 
Shabazz Muhammed ruled ineligible by NCAA
This isn't permanent yet, is it?Bummer about the carrier games. Dunno if it's something they can get ironed out, but I hope they do.
The reports I saw said there was no timetable announced by NCAA. UCLA is fighting it.
As I understand it, he is "permanently" ineligible. UCLA can either appeal that determination, or apply for reinstatement. They are trying to determine the fastest resolution. I'd guess 4-5 games when all is said and done.
That's my understanding, too. This is not a suspension, but a ruling that Shabazz is a professional player and therefore ineligible for NCAA amateur athletics. UCLA can appeal the ruling to try to get Shabazz on the court, but the NCAA won't unilaterally decide Shabazz can play college basketball.Awesome that people acting on behalf of Duke and UNC ended up screwing UCLA without doing any damage to their own programs.

But based on the 9 games the kids from IU got, who knows what the NCAA thinks...
:goodposting: If there's anything we've learned about the NCAA, it's that there is no such thing as "precedent" with them.
The L.A. Times is now reporting that Shabazz has been cleared. Good. His ineligibility was ridiculous.
Link? Not seeing this anywhere.
Here's the NCAA's statement:
UCLA’s Muhammad reinstated with conditions

The NCAA and UCLA have resolved the eligibility case of Shabazz Muhammad. UCLA acknowledged amateurism violations occurred and asked the NCAA on Friday afternoon to reinstate Muhammad. The university required the student-athlete to miss 10 percent of the season (three games) and repay approximately $1,600 in impermissible benefits. The NCAA agreed the actions taken by the university were sufficient. Because Muhammad has already sat out three games, he is now eligible to compete.

According to the facts of the case, which were agreed upon by the university and the NCAA staff, Muhammad accepted travel and lodging during unofficial visits to member schools. NCAA rules, which member schools create, state that student-athletes cannot receive benefits based on their athletic ability. NCAA amateurism rules are in place so that when student-athletes step onto the court, they are competing against other student-athletes who have met the same standards.

When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. The NCAA staff reviews each student-athlete reinstatement request individually based on its own merits and set of specific facts.
Muhammad reinstatedL.A. Times reporter covering the story's twitter from 15 minutes ago:

Baxter Holmes ‏@BaxterHolmes

Am told that Shabazz Muhammad (@phenom15balla) has been cleared.
 
So this is the NCAA covering their ### after that overheard conversation on the plane came to light, right? Anyway, it's good news for college basketball.

Put your tinfoil hats on for this one, but I wonder if the NCAA went after Muhammad because of Ed O'Bannon? Sending a message, as it were?

 
I think Muhammad probably took some other benefits that should make him ineligible (his sister's tennis sponsorship is a farce and just a roundabout way to funnel addidas money to the family a little early) but in terms of this particular violation (taking money/lodging for visits) the NCAA was being unreasonable. Definitely seems like they were over-punishing him for something that they COULD prove to make up for what everyone suspects, but CANT prove.

Either way, he's a great player and he'll make college hoops more fun to watch.

 
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