*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

[The Dude]

Some things that jumped out at me:1. The dual timelines. Obviously this is pretty significant. Juliette saying "it worked" and the alternate storyline would seem to be telling us Jack's plan was a success. But how are the two timelines tied together or will they remain separate - one life that could have been?

Maybe it's a chronological issue. You are led to believe the two timelines are occuring simultaneously - maybe they're not. Maybe the bomb going off set in motion the reset - explaining Juliette's "It worked" statement. The just haven't reset yet - maybe there's another step to the equation.

This.Although the Desmond wrinkle has me a little confused.

I'm not sure if this is the right path but remember when the merc doctor was both alive off island and dead on island at the same time? It really doesn't make sense as they were talking over the talkies in real time and the doc was in both locations.But they seemed to want to set up a time difference on island and off island. Same thing with the nut job scientists harpoon experiment. So the new LAX timeline and the island time could be in synch relatively but also occuring at different times.

 

[Sack-Religious]

This makes sense above. I think Dr. Shepard was in the casket on the plane originally. He was seen by jack on the island in white shoes, BUT they never found his body(similar to syid from last night?) Anyway Jacob can assume an actual body and MIB actually assumes another form of a body? Could the Shepard visions be Jacob in Christians body(white shoes)?Still doesnt explain in the non-crashing reality what happened to Dr. Shepard. The island doesnt exist/is underwater, so the casket should have arrived. They made a pretty big deal about the Oceanic employee delivering the line that "we dont know where the casket actually is"

Since Jacob is often wearing white, perhaps the white shoes are a tip off that perhaps Jacob did manifest as Christian. Who knows?The island does exist and seems to only somewhat recently be underwater. When it showed the underwater shot, it looked as if the DHARMA barracks were there, so it would appear that it was sometime after the 1970's that the island went under.

 

[The Dude]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

 

[southeastjerome]

We know the island is underwater in the reality where the survivors do not know each other. Also, in that same reality, an obvious big deal was made about the casket gone missing as well. Did anything that Juliet did cause the missing casket?

They found Jack's father's casket on the island with no body in it.

But that is the "other" reality no? In the reality where Oceanic F'ed up the transfer of a casket, there is no island. Christian Shepard still dies in that reality, and Jack is still (successfully) bringing his body from Sidney to LAX

The body wasn't put on the plane in either timeline.

Now im shuked and must have missed something. Could you unpack this davinci. I am trying to keep up

I think he is saying that they loaded the casket but the body wasn't in there both times. This explains how the casket ends up on the island when they crash, but no body. The problem with that is that the airline has no mention of them having the casket but not the body. You think they would have included that bit of info. Also why would the airline look in the casket to see if the body is in there? The oceanic customer service guy says he doesn't think that his Jack's father's body made it on the plane. Why would they load the casket on the plane, but not the body? Maybe Jack has to make a trip back to Australia and another flight back to LAX. Maybe the flight they were showing wasn't "the flight". That might explain why Ecco, Ana Lucia, et al. were not on the flight, but Desmond was. They would have a lot of loose ends to tie up to get everyone to go back though and be on the same flight. Who knows with this show though.

 

[harryhood]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think it was mentioned before. Maybe the LAX reality converges at one point in the future with the 2007Island reality. Fringe(same creators) touches on this quite a bit as well. A certain decision has two seperate paths. The path you took and the one you didnt. They seperate, but both actually occur....I guess it is conceivable the paths could then converge at a point down the road. "it only happens once, anything BEFORE that is just progress" ---> Jacob

 

[Pisgah Flying Pigmen]

Lots of good stuff here.

When Smokie Locke says he wants to go home, first thing I thought of was Devil trying to re-enter heaven.

Don't understand why Smokie Locke said he was disappointed or whatever in the people outside the statue.

I agree that Ben when thought he was getting orders from Jacob, it may have been the nemesis at some times.

Only thing I came up with regarding Juliette knowing it worked, was that she jumped ahead in time, and returned. Maybe another event in the future??

Forgot to add, puzzled on why Jacon tells nemesis "they're coming". Wouldn't think he would warn him.

 

[beer 30]

Here's what I came away thinking last night. The members of Oceanic 815 are being recycled by the island. Jacob and the Evil Dude manipulate them ever so slightly through each iteration but they all keep coming back and playing the good vs evil thing over and over and over again. #### on the wall.

 

[Lehigh98]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

 

[Sack-Religious]

alert.

The shark they showed during the underwater scene appears to be the same shark (or at least another shark with a DHARMA logo on it) from season 2.

 

[Lehigh98]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think it was mentioned before. Maybe the LAX reality converges at one point in the future with the 2007Island reality. Fringe(same creators) touches on this quite a bit as well. A certain decision has two seperate paths. The path you took and the one you didnt. They seperate, but both actually occur....I guess it is conceivable the paths could then converge at a point down the road.

"it only happens ends once, anything BEFORE that is just progress" ---> Jacob

Fixed

 

[harryhood]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think it was mentioned before. Maybe the LAX reality converges at one point in the future with the 2007Island reality. Fringe(same creators) touches on this quite a bit as well. A certain decision has two seperate paths. The path you took and the one you didnt. They seperate, but both actually occur....I guess it is conceivable the paths could then converge at a point down the road.

"it only happens ends once, anything BEFORE that is just progress" ---> Jacob

Fixed

Thanks for the fix. knew I was close.

 

[Fiddles]

hippy translator other is saul from deadwood

 

[The Dude]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think it was mentioned before. Maybe the LAX reality converges at one point in the future with the 2007Island reality. Fringe(same creators) touches on this quite a bit as well. A certain decision has two seperate paths. The path you took and the one you didnt. They seperate, but both actually occur....I guess it is conceivable the paths could then converge at a point down the road. "it only happens once, anything BEFORE that is just progress" ---> Jacob

Here's a guess - maybe we're in for a Constant Part 2 - where Desmond is going to share consciousnesses with LAX Des (future Des) to somehow make the realities converge.

 

[harryhood]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

 

[Joseph]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

I'm here too.the two timelines will converge at the end of the series and confirm that "what happened happened"

 

[Sabertooth]

3. The Man in Black once had Richard in chains. (I THINK

I thought this was referring to Richard being in the service of Jacob.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Another thing.

It would appear that Juliette making the bomb go off, "pushed" Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Hurley, Sayid etc. to 2007.

So I guess, in a way, that was the reset. It got them back into the "present" timeline, so they've moved from the 1970's to 2007 where Richard, Lapidus, Sun, etc. are.

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

I think those new others in the temple are the crew from the boat from that episode where Jacob and Smokey were chilling on the beach. That fountain is sort of like a fountain of youth....which would explain Richards ability to never age.

I also found it interesting how Jack and Sawyers hair was long on the plane. The producers pay very close attention to every detail, so I find it hard to believe they overlooked that.

 

[southeastjerome]

Random thought: Why was Kate up 15' in a tree, hugging it after the bomb went off?

 

[djjosee]

Did we ever figure out who the "they" are when Jacob was dying and said "They are coming" to MIB (who seemed concerned as well)?

 

[packersfan]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

I'm here too.the two timelines will converge at the end of the series and confirm that "what happened happened"

I agree that the two timelines will likely converge at some point but they can't be occurring simultaneously. The current events on the island are happening three years later, correct? What we saw last night with LA X was occurring in 2004 removing the crash from the timeline.

 

[Twilight]

alert.The shark they showed during the underwater scene appears to be the same shark (or at least another shark with a DHARMA logo on it) from season 2.

Good to see I'm not the only one who paused the DVR to double check that.

 

[Lehigh98]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

Not sure what your point of reference for "simultaneously" is but they are different points in time. Time on the island and outside of the "bubble" may not be in sych but the island is always protrayed as being behind (time moving slower), not the other way around as is the case with the two scenarios where the events you're seeing on the island are taking place months in advance of the events at LAX.

 

[Lehigh98]

Random thought: Why was Kate up 15' in a tree, hugging it after the bomb went off?

Not sure but I had never wanted to be a tree more in my life.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Did we ever figure out who the "they" are when Jacob was dying and said "They are coming" to MIB (who seemed concerned as well)?

We don't know for sure yet, but it seems like it has to be one of these three options:A) Illana and the Ajira bodyguard crewB) The original Losties, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc jumping through time from the '70's to current timeC) Some unknown group that we haven't met yetI'm thinking it's B since Smokey just killed 90% of the Ajira crew..

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

alert.The shark they showed during the underwater scene appears to be the same shark (or at least another shark with a DHARMA logo on it) from season 2.

Good to see I'm not the only one who paused the DVR to double check that.

Speaking of that scene - that was some crappy low-end underwater CG. I expect better from Lost.

 

[Lehigh98]

One other thought - I really hope they don't spend a lot of time on the LAX reality. I'm just not certain what the intent would be - unless they are working towards something - and I have no idea what that could be.

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

I'm here too.the two timelines will converge at the end of the series and confirm that "what happened happened"

I agree that the two timelines will likely converge at some point but they can't be occurring simultaneously. The current events on the island are happening three years later, correct? What we saw last night with LA X was occurring in 2004 removing the crash from the timeline.

Mentioned above about time in and out of the bubble. I think in "island time" its been a matter of months where in "real world time" its been a matter of years. Not 100% though. Confused at how much time has passed on the island because most people either left and lived off the island or were jumping around in time.We know Jack, Kate, Sawyer are now in the same time as the events with Jacob being killed by Ben. But is that "in island time" months or years from the crash? I think its still months even though people were off island for longer but not sure, thoughts?

 

[packersfan]

Did we ever figure out who the "they" are when Jacob was dying and said "They are coming" to MIB (who seemed concerned as well)?

We don't know for sure yet, but it seems like it has to be one of these three options:A) Illana and the Ajira bodyguard crewB) The original Losties, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc jumping through time from the '70's to current timeC) Some unknown group that we haven't met yetI'm thinking it's B since Smokey just killed 90% of the Ajira crew..

I vote for B too. There's clearly a significance being placed upon Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin and Sayid. Jacob wanted them there (anybody else think the paper the Asian guy was reading had their names on it?). I also hope it's not C because the one thing that concerns me with this new group is I think the final season should be paring down the storylines and focusing on resolving the primary ones, not creating additional tangents.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Re: The message in the ankh.

My first assumption was that it was a "list" of Hurley, Jack, Kate, Jin and Sayid as the Japanese dude seemed to be checking them off mentally as they gave their names.

But when Hurley(?) asked what was on the list, the hippy guy said something to the effect of if your friend dies, we're all in big trouble. Nothing is ever as it seems on this show, so it could be either of these, or something I haven't even considered.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So, there's this underground maze that leads to a temple. Outside the temple is a HUGE courtyard, open air, see the sky, the whole nine yards. At one end is a wall that reaches into the air hundreds of feet. These people flew over the island several times by plane and by helicopter and NOBERY EVER SAW the damn temple from the sky?

 

[Twilight]

Think the intent is to enforce fate and destiny, no matter what you do you can't escape it (even with a "reset").Its possible this isn't two alternate realities but 2 points on the same timeline.A couple problems with this theory though especially the sunken island... although it can "move".

I am pretty confident that those two realities are occurring simultaneously. CC and DL, as well as the cast, seem to have drilled home that "flash-sideways" mantra.

I'm here too.the two timelines will converge at the end of the series and confirm that "what happened happened"

I agree that the two timelines will likely converge at some point but they can't be occurring simultaneously. The current events on the island are happening three years later, correct? What we saw last night with LA X was occurring in 2004 removing the crash from the timeline.

Mentioned above about time in and out of the bubble. I think in "island time" its been a matter of months where in "real world time" its been a matter of years. Not 100% though. Confused at how much time has passed on the island because most people either left and lived off the island or were jumping around in time.We know Jack, Kate, Sawyer are now in the same time as the events with Jacob being killed by Ben. But is that "in island time" months or years from the crash? I think its still months even though people were off island for longer but not sure, thoughts?

It's 3 years after the crash on the island, and that should be the difference in time between the two timelines.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Did we ever figure out who the "they" are when Jacob was dying and said "They are coming" to MIB (who seemed concerned as well)?

We don't know for sure yet, but it seems like it has to be one of these three options:A) Illana and the Ajira bodyguard crewB) The original Losties, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc jumping through time from the '70's to current timeC) Some unknown group that we haven't met yetI'm thinking it's B since Smokey just killed 90% of the Ajira crew..

I vote for B too. There's clearly a significance being placed upon Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin and Sayid. Jacob wanted them there (anybody else think the paper the Asian guy was reading had their names on it?). I also hope it's not C because the one thing that concerns me with this new group is I think the final season should be paring down the storylines and focusing on resolving the primary ones, not creating additional tangents.

Well option C 'could' be a group that we haven't seen functioning as a group yet, but is comprised of characters that we already know. For example" Widmore, Ellie, Faraday, Desmond & Penny...I still think it's B though.

 

[Buckna]

Mentioned above about time in and out of the bubble. I think in "island time" its been a matter of months where in "real world time" its been a matter of years. Not 100% though. Confused at how much time has passed on the island because most people either left and lived off the island or were jumping around in time.We know Jack, Kate, Sawyer are now in the same time as the events with Jacob being killed by Ben. But is that "in island time" months or years from the crash? I think its still months even though people were off island for longer but not sure, thoughts?

Sawyer, Juliette, etc spent three years with the Dharma Initiative, the same amount of time that Jack, Kate, etc spent off the island once they escaped. The Ajira crash is in 2007, 3 years after the flight 815 crash so they are all now matching up to the same time line and have moved forward to the same point in time right after the Ajira crash. I believe the Others living at the temple have also had 3 years pass by. The biggest clue being Cindy the stewardess who had very short hair on the flight and now has long curly hair at the temple. She was just an early initiate shortly after the crash, but now seems to be fully integrated into the Others community. It also explains the 2 young kids abducted from the tail end of 815 recurrence last night and their aging since the original crash. (Cindy also said "the first plane," which indicates the Others at the temple know about the Ajira flight crashing too.)As for the "new" timeline where the plane didn't crash, last nights events are all in 2004 shortly after the plane landed. I think it will be fairly easy for the writers to move the "new" timeline story forward in time very quickly to eventually have both storylines taking place at the exact same point and run concurrently in 2007. All you have to do is skip forward a few weeks here, a few months there, explaining what is happening to the new timeline characters (such as Jack & Locke having a consult and surgery and maybe Locke walking again. That would take months of story time.)

 

[AAABatteries]

Ok, discussing this with co-workers. Explain this to me:

Does the bomb go off in both timelines? If no, then which ones and when? Does the bomb going off cause the island to "sink" in the new timeline or something unknown cause it? I think something unknown because of being able to see the houses in the water but I'm so confused now that I'm not sure any more.

 

[Buckna]

So much to talk about, but I actually have to get some work done this morning. Argh!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Mentioned above about time in and out of the bubble. I think in "island time" its been a matter of months where in "real world time" its been a matter of years. Not 100% though. Confused at how much time has passed on the island because most people either left and lived off the island or were jumping around in time.We know Jack, Kate, Sawyer are now in the same time as the events with Jacob being killed by Ben. But is that "in island time" months or years from the crash? I think its still months even though people were off island for longer but not sure, thoughts?

Sawyer, Juliette, etc spent three years with the Dharma Initiative, the same amount of time that Jack, Kate, etc spent off the island once they escaped. The Ajira crash is in 2007, 3 years after the flight 815 crash so they are all now matching up to the same time line and have moved forward to the same point in time right after the Ajira crash. I believe the Others living at the temple have also had 3 years pass by. The biggest clue being Cindy the stewardess who had very short hair on the flight and now has long curly hair at the temple. She was just an early initiate shortly after the crash, but now seems to be fully integrated into the Others community. It also explains the 2 young kids abducted from the tail end of 815 recurrence last night and their aging since the original crash. (Cindy also said "the first plane," which indicates the Others at the temple know about the Ajira flight crashing too.)As for the "new" timeline where the plane didn't crash, last nights events are all in 2004 shortly after the plane landed. I think it will be fairly easy for the writers to move the "new" timeline story forward in time very quickly to eventually have both storylines taking place at the exact same point and run concurrently in 2007. All you have to do is skip forward a few weeks here, a few months there, explaining what is happening to the new timeline characters (such as Jack & Locke having a consult and surgery and maybe Locke walking again. That would take months of story time.)

Exactly my thoughts. It's like you were in my living room talking about the episode with my wife and I. Sorry I was so gassy. I blame the lunchtime burrito.

 

[Twilight]

Mentioned above about time in and out of the bubble. I think in "island time" its been a matter of months where in "real world time" its been a matter of years. Not 100% though. Confused at how much time has passed on the island because most people either left and lived off the island or were jumping around in time.We know Jack, Kate, Sawyer are now in the same time as the events with Jacob being killed by Ben. But is that "in island time" months or years from the crash? I think its still months even though people were off island for longer but not sure, thoughts?

Sawyer, Juliette, etc spent three years with the Dharma Initiative, the same amount of time that Jack, Kate, etc spent off the island once they escaped. The Ajira crash is in 2007, 3 years after the flight 815 crash so they are all now matching up to the same time line and have moved forward to the same point in time right after the Ajira crash. I believe the Others living at the temple have also had 3 years pass by. The biggest clue being Cindy the stewardess who had very short hair on the flight and now has long curly hair at the temple. She was just an early initiate shortly after the crash, but now seems to be fully integrated into the Others community. It also explains the 2 young kids abducted from the tail end of 815 recurrence last night and their aging since the original crash. (Cindy also said "the first plane," which indicates the Others at the temple know about the Ajira flight crashing too.)As for the "new" timeline where the plane didn't crash, last nights events are all in 2004 shortly after the plane landed. I think it will be fairly easy for the writers to move the "new" timeline story forward in time very quickly to eventually have both storylines taking place at the exact same point and run concurrently in 2007. All you have to do is skip forward a few weeks here, a few months there, explaining what is happening to the new timeline characters (such as Jack & Locke having a consult and surgery and maybe Locke walking again. That would take months of story time.)

All accurate, but no elaborate clues were needed. Jacob said he was killed an hour ago to Hurley, pegging the timeline connection. It's further confirmed that everyone on the island is in the same time when Richard sees the fireworks lit by the Temple crew.

 

[Buckna]

Ok, discussing this with co-workers. Explain this to meoes the bomb go off in both timelines? If no, then which ones and when? Does the bomb going off cause the island to "sink" in the new timeline or something unknown cause it? I think something unknown because of being able to see the houses in the water but I'm so confused now that I'm not sure any more.

I think it's safe to assume the bomb going off only occurs in the "new" timeline where 815 doesn't crash. The bomb destroys/sinks the island so there is no hatch built, Desmond may or may not still go on his sail around the world, but there is no island to trap him. Desmond isn't on the island in the hatch to cause the crash of the 815 flight.The original timeline where the bomb did not go off still exists and those are the events on the island taking place now with Smokey/Locke and with our original versions of our characters. Instead of that version of the timeline being erased, it still exists, it's just an alternate reality or a parallel universe or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

Couple things:

3. The Man in Black once had Richard in chains.

Someone beat me to this, but I assumed this meant Richard arrived on the Island as a prisoner on the Black Rock.

Also, can we asusme that smokie was inhabiting Christian and Yemi and others in the past?

I think we've assumed this for a while, or at least assumed Yemi and the Chrisitan that appeared to Jack was the monster. The interesting twist to me is that it now seems like all instances of Christian could be the monster, including the one that appeared to Locke in Jacob's cabin (remember there was a break in the sand circle around Jacob's cabin at some point). Maybe Claire's appearance in Jacob's cabin was the monster too...

We know the island is underwater in the reality where the survivors do not know each other. Also, in that same reality, an obvious big deal was made about the casket gone missing as well. Did anything that Juliet did cause the missing casket?

Time has certainly become less than absolute on the show, but I believe the Island is underwater in 2004. In 2007, Locke/MIB/Nemisis has Ben kill Jacob. Jacob then appears to Hurley and says he's been dead for an hour. This seems to be confirmed by Jin's statement to Hurley about the flash of light and the headache meaning a jump through time.ETA: looks like Buckna and Twilight beat to the timeline stuff as well. I agree with their conclusions.

 

[Sundays Rule]

When MIB says he wants to go home - do you think he just meant he wants off the island?

I have a feeling "home" may be the Temple. Think of it like Lucifer getting cast out of Heaven then doing everything in his power to kill God and return. At some point Jacob and this other guy had an epic falling out, can't wait to find out what caused it.

 

[Sundays Rule]

I'm also wondering what the real story with the cabin was. Now that the ash circle has been confirmed as Anti-Smoke deterrent, it was used to keep the MIB in or out. Any guesses?

 

[Lehigh98]

Random thought:

In the alternate timeline, Hurley had still won the lottery and was lucky and nothing bad ever happened to him. In the original he used the number to win the lottery and then was unlucky. What did he use to win the lottery this time? Or was it just fate that he was to win either way and the fact he used the numbers what made him unlucky?

 

[AAABatteries]

Ok, discussing this with co-workers. Explain this to meoes the bomb go off in both timelines? If no, then which ones and when? Does the bomb going off cause the island to "sink" in the new timeline or something unknown cause it? I think something unknown because of being able to see the houses in the water but I'm so confused now that I'm not sure any more.

I think it's safe to assume the bomb going off only occurs in the "new" timeline where 815 doesn't crash. The bomb destroys/sinks the island so there is no hatch built, Desmond may or may not still go on his sail around the world, but there is no island to trap him. Desmond isn't on the island in the hatch to cause the crash of the 815 flight.The original timeline where the bomb did not go off still exists and those are the events on the island taking place now with Smokey/Locke and with our original versions of our characters. Instead of that version of the timeline being erased, it still exists, it's just an alternate reality or a parallel universe or whatever you want to call it.

The only question I have from this then is when does the bomb go off? 1977? If so, the island goes under then? And if so, then wth do we see the Dharma houses? Is that just an oversight? If it's not an oversight then something else causes the island to "sink" some time around 2004.

 

[Dr. No]

Random thought:In the alternate timeline, Hurley had still won the lottery and was lucky and nothing bad ever happened to him. In the original he used the number to win the lottery and then was unlucky. What did he use to win the lottery this time? Or was it just fate that he was to win either way and the fact he used the numbers what made him unlucky?

I just figured Hurley was lying to Sawyer.. just like Locke lied that he actually went on his walkabout.

 

[Sack-Religious]

When MIB says he wants to go home - do you think he just meant he wants off the island?

I have a feeling "home" may be the Temple. Think of it like Lucifer getting cast out of Heaven then doing everything in his power to kill God and return. At some point Jacob and this other guy had an epic falling out, can't wait to find out what caused it.

He's already been at the temple though. He dragged one of Rousseau's guys down the hole.I totally agree on the whole Lucifer vs. God thing though, I just think that "home" is off-island for MIB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When MIB says he wants to go home - do you think he just meant he wants off the island?

I have a feeling "home" may be the Temple. Think of it like Lucifer getting cast out of Heaven then doing everything in his power to kill God and return. At some point Jacob and this other guy had an epic falling out, can't wait to find out what caused it.

He's already been at the temple though. He dragged one of Rousseau's guys down the hole.I totally agree on the whole Lucifer vs. God thing though, I just think that "home" is off-island for MIB.

He's been inside that little area they used to access the temple. Maybe that's not considered part of the temple. DMZ imo.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Random thought:In the alternate timeline, Hurley had still won the lottery and was lucky and nothing bad ever happened to him. In the original he used the number to win the lottery and then was unlucky. What did he use to win the lottery this time? Or was it just fate that he was to win either way and the fact he used the numbers what made him unlucky?

I just figured Hurley was lying to Sawyer.. just like Locke lied that he actually went on his walkabout.

Did Locke lie? There seems to be subtle differences in the characters. 1) Rose comforts Jack about the turbulence instead of the other way around like it was originally2) Rose mentions that Bernard says planes want to stay in the air, the opposite of what happened originally3) Hurley's now lucky4) Maybe the guy in Australia did allow Locke to go on the walkabout5) Maybe Sawyer didn't kill the guy he thought was Sawyer in Australia

 

[AAABatteries]

When MIB says he wants to go home - do you think he just meant he wants off the island?

I have a feeling "home" may be the Temple. Think of it like Lucifer getting cast out of Heaven then doing everything in his power to kill God and return. At some point Jacob and this other guy had an epic falling out, can't wait to find out what caused it.

He's already been at the temple though. He dragged one of Rousseau's guys down the hole.I totally agree on the whole Lucifer vs. God thing though, I just think that "home" is off-island for MIB.

Space Alien!

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Some things that jumped out at me:

1. The dual timelines. Obviously this is pretty significant. Juliette saying "it worked" and the alternate storyline would seem to be telling us Jack's plan was a success. But how are the two timelines tied together or will they remain separate - one life that could have been?

Maybe it's a chronological issue. You are led to believe the two timelines are occuring simultaneously - maybe they're not. Maybe the bomb going off set in motion the reset - explaining Juliette's "It worked" statement. The just haven't reset yet - maybe there's another step to the equation.No idea how Desmond is on the plane in a reset.

Well we dont know why he is on it, but we know that the reason for blowing up the bomb was to destroy the electromagnetic field, so there would be no button to push, so there would be no reason for Desmond to be in the hatch etc.

 

[Sack-Religious]

So, there's this underground maze that leads to a temple. Outside the temple is a HUGE courtyard, open air, see the sky, the whole nine yards. At one end is a wall that reaches into the air hundreds of feet. These people flew over the island several times by plane and by helicopter and NOBERY EVER SAW the damn temple from the sky?

The wall looked tall, but I don't think the wall is hundreds of feet high, but I see your point. I don't know who flew over the island in a plane THAT many times though. When Oceanic 815 flew over the island, it was so high when it broke up that nobody looking out a window would have seen it. When Ajira crashed, I don't think people were looking out the windows sight-seeing. The only other plane I can think of is the Beechcraft and nobody on that plane is alive so we don't know if they saw it. The helicopter first appeared at night and wouldn't have seen the temple. They didn't routinely fly over the island in the helicopter looking to map it out. The other times they left the island, by chopper, they may not have been near enough to the temple to see it. The island is relatively large and it could just be that wherever and whenever people flew over it they weren't near enough to see it.