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*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (2 Viewers)
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Jobber
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What I'm really looking forward to is the flashback showing how Richard came to the island. I wonder if he was aboard the Black Rock or if he's even older - like from Egyptian times or something.
It would be a trip to see a flashback of Jacob walking into a tent in Egypt thousands of years ago and touching Richard.
It would be a trip to see a flashback of Jacob walking into a tent in Egypt thousands of years ago and touching Richard.
Bob Sacamano
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Bobcat10 said:
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This actually makes a lot of sense. I believe it was in Season 5 that Pickett stated that Jack was "not even on Jacob's list". Can someone break out their notebook and confirm?Scruff Mcgruff said:
good memory...http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Danny_Pickett
When Pickett brought Sawyer back to the cages, he threatened Sawyer's life by suggesting that he should say goodbye to Kate by tonight, a threat that Juliet also observed.("I Do") This threat may have contributed to Sawyer and Kate sleeping together that evening. Later, when Jack began surgery on Ben, keeping both Ben, Juliet, and Tom occupied, Pickett took this opportunity to leave the operating room to kill Sawyer, despite Jason's suggestion not to. Pickett commented that Ben just put his life in Jack's hands, who was not even on Jacob's list. ("I Do")
Sack-Religious
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I think Pickett was saying that none of that group were on Jacob's list. By now we know that Ben never actually spoke to Jacob so whatever "list" Pickett was referring to may have had nothing to do with Jacob and may have been guided by MIB.
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If you don't like what's on the show, turn it off, that simple? Right?Aaron Rudnicki said:
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Aloof
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If you don't like what people say in this thread, don't come in it, that simple? Right?
Eviloutsider
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More so an inside joke from the Olympics thread.
Aloof
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Oh. Oops. I'll #### now. Sorry.
Well in his defense last night, they did pay to send Locke all the way to Australia for a conference that apparantly Locke never attended. I'd probably fire him too.
I might be in the minority but other than the scene in the cave I was much more interested in alternate timeline Locke than the island story last night. 1st time that has happened. All the little differences but similarities were pretty interesting:Locke is still with Peg BundyLocke's dad was invited to the wedding, suggests they are friendlyIf so, why is Locke in a wheel chair?Ben is alive off the island! Can anyone remember last year's season finale, did young Ben evacuate on the submarine?The Dude said:
TobiasFunke
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Speaking of ... she was quite good. Easy to forget or even miss that it was Peg/Leela. As opposed to Mac from Always Sunny in Philadelphia last week, whose Mac-ness ruined every one of his scenes.
Bob Sacamano
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What age would Walt be in the off-island timeline? I don't suppose Taller Ghost Walt is going to end up being in Locke's class, is he?
Bob Sacamano
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The reference to Ben's obsession with Juliete and her "looking like her" makes me think Annie is the chick who passed on adopting Aaron. There was enough resemblance. The husband who left her = teacherBen?
Bob Sacamano
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Also, somebody refresh my memory. Did we ever find out what Faraday did around the Desmond timeline in the multiple references to his having done something to "that poor girl"? Or who she was? Gotta be a play-in here somewhere, too. I suppose we'll be seeing him off-island soon, too?
Phurfur
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Christian was dead, that is a fact. Are you saying he was claimed?
I don't think it was 100% confirmed, but she was Faraday's assistant/girlfriend with his experiments. There was some sort of accident that turned her into a vegetable (highly suggested she was jumping around in time in her mind) and fried Faraday's head enough to where he had to have a full time nurse taking care of him.
Sack-Religious
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IIRC, Faraday was doing his consciousness timetravel experiments with the girl, who may have been his girlfriend. I think this was before Faraday realized the need for a constant and as a result, she appeared to be in a permanent vegetative state, possibly because her brain fried from all the time-jumps.
Twilight
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He tested his time travel machine on his girlfriend. She didn't have a constant, and became a vegetable. (Never explicitly said, but the references were all there.)Faraday probably doesn't exist. It depends on if Ellie left the sunken island.
Sack-Religious
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Dead is dead.
caabeel
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I was thinking that possibly Locke's accident occurred in a different manner. Perhaps his father didn't do it this time. Then again, I doubt Anthony Cooper's life changed. I imagine he was still a con man. So I'm back to square one.I believe that Cuse or Lindelof confirmed that the island sank in 1977 because of the bomb. If that's the case, then we can assume that Ben did leave the island before it sank.
I agree, she was always good in the few episodes she was in. I think the last one she was in was all the way back in season 2 when she leaves him because he can't get past his father issues, that was really sad.
yeah it could be something as random as a car accident.The father thing makes my head hurt thinking about it. All of Locke's backstory that we have seen basically stemmed from his daddy issues. That he would still end up with Helen, end up in a wheel chair, working at the same box company and going to Australia which were all events related to his bad relationship with his father makes me
larry_boy_44
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this isn't necessarily true, she could have not known English and we assumed she did because she did in the other timeline...The Duff Man said:
Bill Brasky
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Bobcat10 said:
Leeroy Jenkins
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Chang could be Miles also, right?No Faraday or Desmond?KGB said:
Thinking about it - I think they attempted to reveal something last night that really created more paradoxes.
It is implied that the 815ers are on the island because of Jacob's list. According to not-Locke, the list is why their group is on the island. Which further implies some type of God-like influence by Jacob to arrange for those people to be on the plane. It doesn't explain their pre-flight relations.
Having said that, if there is no crash due to a change in events years before the crash, there's no reason for Jacob to arrange for the same people to be on the flight that doesn't crash.
It is implied that the 815ers are on the island because of Jacob's list. According to not-Locke, the list is why their group is on the island. Which further implies some type of God-like influence by Jacob to arrange for those people to be on the plane. It doesn't explain their pre-flight relations.
Having said that, if there is no crash due to a change in events years before the crash, there's no reason for Jacob to arrange for the same people to be on the flight that doesn't crash.
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caabeel
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That's why I believe his wheelchair situation was brought about by something different. Maybe daddy issues are cleared up in the alternate timeline. Kate claimed innocence when she was talking to Claire in the hospital last week. She never did that in the previous timeline. Maybe she didn't kill her father, it was something different. Could it be that Jack and Locke no longer have daddy issues as well? Sure Jack's dad died, but maybe their relationship was better?yeah it could be something as random as a car accident.The father thing makes my head hurt thinking about it. All of Locke's backstory that we have seen basically stemmed from his daddy issues. That he would still end up with Helen, end up in a wheel chair, working at the same box company and going to Australia which were all events related to his bad relationship with his father makes me
Wyld Stallyns
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Wyld Stallyns
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This explains the ninja dude's baseball at the temple last week...ETA:"I can't believe they killed Don Mattingly"Cant believe Don Mattingly was a candidate at one point and they killed him
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caabeel
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Unless he would try to find another way to bring them to the island.
I think Locke's accident had to have been different in the other timeline. If Jacob didn't touch him after being pushed, he would likely have died, so has to be another way. Especially since Helen left him before he got pushed in the main timeline.Also, don't forget that Hugo said on the plane that he was always lucky. Before the plane crash in the main timeline he was completely unlucky once he won the money and the Hummer he is driving caught on fire. It wouldn't surprise me if Locke and his dad did make up and heck, he might not be all that bad a guy anymore, who knows.yeah it could be something as random as a car accident.The father thing makes my head hurt thinking about it. All of Locke's backstory that we have seen basically stemmed from his daddy issues. That he would still end up with Helen, end up in a wheel chair, working at the same box company and going to Australia which were all events related to his bad relationship with his father makes me
Bob Sacamano
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I'm not sure this is true. Jack, Kate, Ben, etc were on the island in 1977 and did not die. Why would everyone else?
I'm starting to think Jacob might be a liar also he said that people have free will but if that's true how does he know years in advance they would all be coming to the island unless he planned it or put things in place that made it happen. The numbers were put on the Swan hatch a long time before Kate was on the run or Jacks Dad died in Australia. Best case is Jacob can see the future but if that's the case then he knew he would be killed by Ben and nothing could change that.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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Why do we think Jacob wrote all that stuff in the cave?
I agree. We now know that Ben never, ever spoke to Jacob, so any list he created could have been for any reason. Maybe he was just making it up as he went a long to make sure no one questioned him. Problem was that he needed Jack for the operation, so his made up lists were talked about. Or as sack mentions, maybe MIB had Ben's ear even though he didn't realize it. MIB has every reason to want people on Jacob's real list to die or to do his bidding instead of replacing Jacob.Also, as many mentioned, Jack's dad is dead and dead is dead, especially since he is dead in both timelines. I understand Ethan being alive since in the new timeline, he would never have been recruited post 1977. Christian was in fact dead in both timelines, so I think we can leave him be now.Man, I am so far behind in this thread.MIB told Sawyer that Jacob wrote it...
Twilight
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Jack/Kate/etc. time traveled to survive. Ben was Dharma in '77, and might have been evacuated. Ellie (and Charles) were Others, and the most likely to be on the island when it sunk.But, as of now, we don't know why the circumstances of why the island sunk, short of the assumption that the bomb did it, nor do we even know if Ellie and Charles were Others when the island sunk. It's very possible that, because Jacob died, his "bringing" 815 down wasn't the only event that brought people to the island that didn't happen, like whatever brought Ellie and Charles to the island. But, from what we've seen, I tend to side with Ellie being dead in the sinking, and no Faraday being born.
I think because MIB told us. While he could be lying, the show has been good about not trying to pull the old bait and switch where you felt like they tricked us. For example, take Ben. When he lied about being Gale we had the 815ers split on whether he was lying or not and Sayid and Anna went looking for the truth. So, while Ben lied, it was part of the story. Also, Ben lied last night and last week about killing Locke (until the funeral) and Jacob, but that was to other folks on the island. We saw it happen.While MIB may have been lying, I believe it it true based on the show. Also, I think in that case MIB knows that the truth will convince Sawyer better than a lie.
Bob Sacamano
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Hadn't Ben already been shot, taken to Richard, presumably revived in the spring and changed forever/lost his innocence (as an Other)?
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Sack-Religious
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Didn't Richard basically tell Sawyer not to believe anything notLocke says?I get the impression that notLocke will do just about anything to get off the island, and it would appear he needs someone else to do that. Sawyers got nothing holding him to the island, so he's a pretty solid bet to do just about anything to get away from it.
Phurfur
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I think MIB wrote the names. Why would he cross Locke's name off if it wasn't his?
because jacob wasn't there to cross them off anymore?
Jack's main motivation for setting the bomb off was to prevent the crash and save lives and make it so no one ever came to the island. They seem to be setting it up so far as everyone is much better off in the alternate timeline where the island sunk and the plane never went down.In the interview someone posted right after the first episode, the writers made a big deal about unintended consequences. I get the feeling this is going to be a setup where they will eventually pull the rug out from underneath everybody and all our alternate timeline characters lives will start going down the drain and they won't really be better off than if they had crashed on the island.Who really knows though?I think Locke's accident had to have been different in the other timeline. If Jacob didn't touch him after being pushed, he would likely have died, so has to be another way. Especially since Helen left him before he got pushed in the main timeline.Also, don't forget that Hugo said on the plane that he was always lucky. Before the plane crash in the main timeline he was completely unlucky once he won the money and the Hummer he is driving caught on fire. It wouldn't surprise me if Locke and his dad did make up and heck, he might not be all that bad a guy anymore, who knows.yeah it could be something as random as a car accident.The father thing makes my head hurt thinking about it. All of Locke's backstory that we have seen basically stemmed from his daddy issues. That he would still end up with Helen, end up in a wheel chair, working at the same box company and going to Australia which were all events related to his bad relationship with his father makes me
