I think the point of the flash sideways is that "Contract translating, boomerang gifting, vase gluing" sayid is the same as "assassin" sayidWhile blowing up the bomb changed some things, the characters are still who they were.
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kaa
Footballguy
Or perhaps, as with Jack's scars, what happens to one happens to both. Original Sayid was claimed and turned evil, and it somehow affected alternate Sayid who also becomes evil.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I get it.I just think it is strikingly unimaginative (and largely predictable) as compared to prior writing on the show.
Jobber
Footballguy
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
So TMIB is going to try and recruit Kate next? What kind of apple can he offer her?
Jobber
Footballguy
I wonder how long Kate's going to pretend she's with the Evil Others? She looked downright scared while joining the group after the temple massacre.
Also I don't think that the couple of bras Kate had with her on the Oceanic flight would last her 3+ years on a tropical island. I want a little more realism here. LOSE THE BRA, KATE!
Also I don't think that the couple of bras Kate had with her on the Oceanic flight would last her 3+ years on a tropical island. I want a little more realism here. LOSE THE BRA, KATE!
Dr. No
Footballguy
Terrible episode yet again - tons of time spent on a flash sideways that was meaningless and didn't advance the story in any way.
I suppose they are making a headway with the "war is coming" vibe.... and the action/fighting scenes were decent.. but still.
with so many characters and so many story lines it is mind blowing to me that they have hours of time to waste on stuff like Sayid's deadbeat brother, jack's gay son, and Locke's impending marriage to Peggy Bundy and a possible free consult for back surgery.
It is no coincidence that this thread and their ratings have suffered mightily.... this is bad story telling and frankly a not very intriguing story.
If it wasn't for the fact that i'd watched over 100 hrs. of it already and that i only have like 12 to go to finalize the story, i'll stick with it. But make no mistake about it... I'm now here to just complain about the show rather than to enjoy it.
I suppose they are making a headway with the "war is coming" vibe.... and the action/fighting scenes were decent.. but still.
with so many characters and so many story lines it is mind blowing to me that they have hours of time to waste on stuff like Sayid's deadbeat brother, jack's gay son, and Locke's impending marriage to Peggy Bundy and a possible free consult for back surgery.
It is no coincidence that this thread and their ratings have suffered mightily.... this is bad story telling and frankly a not very intriguing story.
If it wasn't for the fact that i'd watched over 100 hrs. of it already and that i only have like 12 to go to finalize the story, i'll stick with it. But make no mistake about it... I'm now here to just complain about the show rather than to enjoy it.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Dr. No
Footballguy
apparently you haven't been following the story.she was only on the island for just over 100 days.. then went off island for 3 years, and now has only been back for a little while.. and the dharma people probably provided bras while she was with that group.also, her breasts aren't that great.. they just happen to be the best on the show.
The Noid
Avoid me!
What if the Flash Sideways are the "new" lives/wishes granted by the MIB (or Jacob?) Samurai could have his son live but could never see him again. Sayid could have Nadia alive again, but would not be with her. There's always a catch, but as the season plays out we get to see what each 815'er sacrificed for their "wish."
Black Box
Footballguy
She's a woman. Of course she will eat the apple.
Black Box
Footballguy
You seem pretty certain about this.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
This makes sense.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think the show would have been more enjoyable if they DIDN'T announce that the show was ending (even if it was) and just ended it. Clearly they wanted to max out the ratings by counting down how many shows were left, but that then gets people frumpy about how little time is left and how much ground they still have to cover to unravel all the mysteries. And while most of us understand we won't get all the answers, I suspect we all want something that ties everything together that has some modium of plausibility.
That being said, in my opinion in poker parlance, this show has gotten me a bit confused. Say we the viewers stayed in a hand because we had invested a fair amount in the big blind and added a few chips as the betting progressed (following the show in the beginning and early on) while the producers were the clear chip leader. Then the flop came and we ended up with two pair (a decent hand but far from spectacular). But we were still very cautious because a lot of hands could beat us given the flop (in addition to any three of a kind say there were flush, straight, and straight flush possibilities).
The producers kept betting representing either a big bluff or a big hand (or at least a decent chance of a monster hand). Well, the turn came and say we viewers now hit a full boat on what otherwise was a so so hand to now make it a very strong hand (all the years of following the show, coming up with theories, long threads reviewing what had happened, etc.). There were still flush, straight, and straight flush possibilities but now we weren't worried about the first two.
With only the river left (and all these years of watching the show passed), the producers are still upping the bidding and we are pot committed so we pretty much have to go all in and hang around until the end. However, as the cards lay we know that only a better full house, 4 of a kind, or a straight flush can beat our hand. Given the cards on the table, say we can rule out a better full house. That leaves only four of a kind or a straight flush (and neither one could actually have already happened).
So here we are near the end of the hand (show) and are going all in and the only outs for the producers seem to be drawing to catch the 4th of a kind or drawing to hit a straight flush . . . and in either case the producers probably should not have stayed in the hand for so long. If the producers were bluffing, we have the goods to call their bluff.
Already all in, it seems like the producers need to catch a card in these last 12 episodes to tie everything together, yet for that to happen the viewers are going to have to get a bad beat. It almost seems at this point that a lot of people are curious what the producers were thinking -- taking our poker hand where we now feel that we have the upper hand and why they stayed in the hand.
For me, as the years went on in this show, I think the issue I had was it went from borderline unbelievable to really, really unbelievable. In essence, some of the things potentially could have happened, and while pretty much unexplainable, we could suspend disbelief for long enough that it made the show mysterious and enjoyable as it was still somewhat grounded in reality. Sure, some things were pretty whacky (an island with magical properties), but the rest of the show was mostly believable.
By that I mean, if this were a court case there was enough going on that a partially plausable scenario could be presented in a court of law that a judgment or a decision could be crafted based on the story that was presented. But all these years later they have messed with timelines, alternate realities, have the same character in different eras (or even the same era) and it has gotten so unbelievable that IMO what kept the show riveting early on has kind of fallen by the way side.
For exsample, now we have a formerly paralyzed bald guy that died, came back to life, turns into a smoke monster, and could be the devil incarnate. OK, sure, whatever you say. Like others, I will watch to see what happens, but my commitment to this show and my backing just isn't what it once was.
They have developed this show with so many intricate, interwoven characters and story lines that it will be hard for them to have an ending that will appease most people. They can't have a simple, cheesy ending as the show was never that basic. They probably are running out of time to have a sophisticated ending that captures all the various complex issues so they will be forced to leave a lot of loose ends. I'm afraid they have painted themselves into a corner and whatever they come up with to end the show, a huge majority of people will be angered and disappointed.
That being said, any guesses on how they will end the show?
That being said, in my opinion in poker parlance, this show has gotten me a bit confused. Say we the viewers stayed in a hand because we had invested a fair amount in the big blind and added a few chips as the betting progressed (following the show in the beginning and early on) while the producers were the clear chip leader. Then the flop came and we ended up with two pair (a decent hand but far from spectacular). But we were still very cautious because a lot of hands could beat us given the flop (in addition to any three of a kind say there were flush, straight, and straight flush possibilities).
The producers kept betting representing either a big bluff or a big hand (or at least a decent chance of a monster hand). Well, the turn came and say we viewers now hit a full boat on what otherwise was a so so hand to now make it a very strong hand (all the years of following the show, coming up with theories, long threads reviewing what had happened, etc.). There were still flush, straight, and straight flush possibilities but now we weren't worried about the first two.
With only the river left (and all these years of watching the show passed), the producers are still upping the bidding and we are pot committed so we pretty much have to go all in and hang around until the end. However, as the cards lay we know that only a better full house, 4 of a kind, or a straight flush can beat our hand. Given the cards on the table, say we can rule out a better full house. That leaves only four of a kind or a straight flush (and neither one could actually have already happened).
So here we are near the end of the hand (show) and are going all in and the only outs for the producers seem to be drawing to catch the 4th of a kind or drawing to hit a straight flush . . . and in either case the producers probably should not have stayed in the hand for so long. If the producers were bluffing, we have the goods to call their bluff.
Already all in, it seems like the producers need to catch a card in these last 12 episodes to tie everything together, yet for that to happen the viewers are going to have to get a bad beat. It almost seems at this point that a lot of people are curious what the producers were thinking -- taking our poker hand where we now feel that we have the upper hand and why they stayed in the hand.
For me, as the years went on in this show, I think the issue I had was it went from borderline unbelievable to really, really unbelievable. In essence, some of the things potentially could have happened, and while pretty much unexplainable, we could suspend disbelief for long enough that it made the show mysterious and enjoyable as it was still somewhat grounded in reality. Sure, some things were pretty whacky (an island with magical properties), but the rest of the show was mostly believable.
By that I mean, if this were a court case there was enough going on that a partially plausable scenario could be presented in a court of law that a judgment or a decision could be crafted based on the story that was presented. But all these years later they have messed with timelines, alternate realities, have the same character in different eras (or even the same era) and it has gotten so unbelievable that IMO what kept the show riveting early on has kind of fallen by the way side.
For exsample, now we have a formerly paralyzed bald guy that died, came back to life, turns into a smoke monster, and could be the devil incarnate. OK, sure, whatever you say. Like others, I will watch to see what happens, but my commitment to this show and my backing just isn't what it once was.
They have developed this show with so many intricate, interwoven characters and story lines that it will be hard for them to have an ending that will appease most people. They can't have a simple, cheesy ending as the show was never that basic. They probably are running out of time to have a sophisticated ending that captures all the various complex issues so they will be forced to leave a lot of loose ends. I'm afraid they have painted themselves into a corner and whatever they come up with to end the show, a huge majority of people will be angered and disappointed.
That being said, any guesses on how they will end the show?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This needs to be clarified with "... since Juliet died."
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Interesting. But, Locke's not alive to get his wish, so that may or may not blow that theory out of the water.I think the alternate timeline for Sayid last night was more of a self-imposed pennance than "a catch." We know what he did during the war. We're not sure if he tortured Nadia in that timeline, but he's punishing himself for his past actions by not being with Nadia.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
The Noid
Avoid me!
Well, Nadia was dead, too. Maybe, and this is really mind-blowing, Locke's new timeline wasn't because of his wish...it was because of Ben's!
bostonfred
Footballguy
Remember when Jack's dad told Locke to say hello to his son for him? Maybe Jack's dad isn't Jack's dad. Maybe he's the smoke monster's dad. Or Ben Linus's. I think those were the next two characters Locke ran into?
Dr. No
Footballguy
This is actually a really good theory and very believable, but still not particularly interesting or compelling TV.If the entire point of the show is: "ok, life sucks... but then you get a chance to reset your life on a mysterious island.. but guess what, life still sucks, so you want to go back to your old life... oh but wait... that still sucks too... and you want to come back again.... but OMG that sucks even worse, so now you want to make a deal with a smoke monster to go back to your original life from the first scenario but in some way improved... and guess what.. that life still kind of sucks and has its problems too."Then screw you producers.
packersfan
Footballguy
VeryThe Duff Man said:
As mentioned earlier, Sayid-centric episodes are always money. I'll miss him as a character (the Sayid we once knew who struggled to be "good" is gone) but I agree last night's episode was a logical development for his character. As his brother said, "I know the man you are." When it was all said and done, Sayid couldn't conquer the evil that resided within him. He was a natural selection to join Anti-Locke's growing army. Terrific episode.
Black Box
Footballguy
And wasn't Samurai with his son at the concert? But that would make better sense as his actual wish.Perhaps MIB's always have a catch, but Jacob's don't.
Which would mean that anyone who has a "disappointing" alt timeline sides with MIB, and anyone who has a decent one sides with Jacob.
:highlyspeculative:
Everyone who is complaining - I hear ya, but:
1. The producers have said multiple times "Enjoy the ride"
2. It's a sci fi show....the fact that they have so many people thinking this entire thing "is believable" is what makes the show so great
3. There are still like 13 episodes left
4. It seems (to me at least) like this is one 6 season long fable, and there will be some moral at the end of it - and I'm fine with that.
For now, I'm still drinking the kool aid......the producers have delivered for 5 seasons, no reason to believe they aren't going to do it again.
1. The producers have said multiple times "Enjoy the ride"
2. It's a sci fi show....the fact that they have so many people thinking this entire thing "is believable" is what makes the show so great
3. There are still like 13 episodes left
4. It seems (to me at least) like this is one 6 season long fable, and there will be some moral at the end of it - and I'm fine with that.
For now, I'm still drinking the kool aid......the producers have delivered for 5 seasons, no reason to believe they aren't going to do it again.
packersfan
Footballguy
Had Miles seen Claire before? I can't remember if he had. I loved his explaining to Kate about Claire being back and the fact she was "still hot though." I like Miles and I'm glad they've kept him around.
packersfan
Footballguy
The impression I got at the end was he didn't expect Kate to be there but didn't have a problem with it. It's like he got a bonus gift with her coming along.Anybody else have the same feeling about his reaction to seeing Kate or am I off base there?
packersfan
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I thought the show was going to be about people surviving a plane crash too. I am not a sci-fi guy, and if I knew the show was going to go in this direction, I may not have gotten into it. Glad I did.
I have enjoyed it and it's been one of my favorite shows on network TV over the past couple of years, but when they said there were 10 more episodes followed by a 2 hour season finale, I was disappointed. I'm ready for them to wrap this thing up as much as they're going to. With 12 hours of more TV, I can only imaging how many more storylines they iwill ntroduce or how long they will string along the ones already out there.
It's all over the place for me and I can't remember where half of the characters are and whether they are dead/alive etc.
I have enjoyed it and it's been one of my favorite shows on network TV over the past couple of years, but when they said there were 10 more episodes followed by a 2 hour season finale, I was disappointed. I'm ready for them to wrap this thing up as much as they're going to. With 12 hours of more TV, I can only imaging how many more storylines they iwill ntroduce or how long they will string along the ones already out there.
It's all over the place for me and I can't remember where half of the characters are and whether they are dead/alive etc.
Black Box
Footballguy
I, too, enjoyed his dual timelines.In one (the island), he had Nadia taken away from him with no choice in the matter. And he ultimately embraced his dark side by his own choice.In the other (off island), he choose to push Nadia away from him. And he ultimately was (arguably) forced to embrace his dark side because of his circumstances.Fate/Free Will theme again.VeryThe Duff Man said:As mentioned earlier, Sayid-centric episodes are always money. I'll miss him as a character (the Sayid we once knew who struggled to be "good" is gone) but I agree last night's episode was a logical development for his character. As his brother said, "I know the man you are." When it was all said and done, Sayid couldn't conquer the evil that resided within him. He was a natural selection to join Anti-Locke's growing army. Terrific episode.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This...plus, I love all of the people criticizing what is seen as pretty darn good writing as if they could do better. Somehow their theories and ideas are better than the creators.Hilarious.
Coffee Sippin Guy
Footballguy
Coffee Sippin Guy
Footballguy
Apparently his son can.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
Anyone else think Jin is dead?
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
How do you know it's meaningless. They have 12 hours to tie it together. We just don't know.
I'm fairly sure he was in their travelling group the night she walked off. I think he even commented on her walking off.
According to who? Not the majority of people in this thread.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I'd still like to know how Ben was able to summon Norwood to not actually kill the marines.
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JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
IIRC, the mercenaries fatigues were made out of ash. They also were carrying baseballs.
IDrinkyourMilkshake
Footballguy
I'm not sure what people are expecting. These first six to seven episodes are all about setting up the eventual climax of the show. This is pretty much how most tv shows work. Last nights episode wasn't "epic" by any means, but it created the framework for the Jacob/Unlocke showdown.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Well, that explains why they're the only ones he attacked with the intention of killing them and conveniently failed. It still doesn't tell me how sticking his hand in a mud puddle inside his house made Norwood go all rogue wrestler from the dressing room with a folding chair.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Jacob's dead Jim.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Majority of people in this thread?Hmm...Id say the majority are fine with the writing and enjoying the ride.
Just the naysayers are generally louder.
But I was not judging just on "this" thread either.
I just laugh at a lot of the criticism of the writing. Its become kind of amusing (especially yours).
That Little Voice
Footballguy
I love the show, but every scene that involved Dogen seemed like it was an SNL skit parodying Lost. I am glad he is gone.
Black Box
Footballguy
Exactly.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I want to know why the smoke monster sounded like a roller coaster the first time it attacked John. And why it had a beef with Mr. Eko.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
It was social commentary RE: black on black crime.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
He'll be back. You can't keep the Big Toe down.
Black Box
Footballguy
A better explanation is Smokey was sandbagging it since he felt the marines might make good recruits to his side of things, imo. Also explains why he took out Eko, since he realized Eko would be more likely a Jacob recruit.Mud puddle is a little more hazy.
No way this show will satisfy everyone, but I love it. I don't come in here much anymore and I know it will get worse the close to the end we get. I am enjoying this season and I don't have any doubt that the sideways flashes will be resolved.
Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
Except that Samurai was at the piano thing with his son when he talked to Jack, no?
