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Porkchop Express
Footballguy
I dont think anyone is expecting all the answers to be solely in the last episode. I do think that this most recent episode was supposed to answer some vital questions about the current meaning of the show. What should have been an absolutely epic episode was amazingly, stupefyingly horrible. Nothing makes sense, and what does make sense is just awful. Well there's this place that's glowy... but Jacob doesn't even know what it is or what it does... and it magically turns a guy into a smoke monster... and there's a bunch of ancient guys who don't even know what magnets are but somehow designed a system involving turning a wheel to teleport out of the island... and Jacob and MIB can hurt each other but they cant.... and Jacob cant get off the island but he can to touch the LostiesAlso, apparently the entire series boils down to Jacob vs. Still Nameless, rendering the entire previous six years of episodes totally meaningless. Epic Fail!I don't get people expecting all of the answers to be solved in the last episode, they have 2 more left, including a monster 2.5 hour grand finale. People expect too much from a TV show. Plus they did give us more information, the viewers starved for answers are not satisfied though.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
They are rushing to tie everything up which is crazy - the 1st few episodes of this season (temple, new characters, Sun/Jin looking for each other/lots of walking) could have been combined into 1 - the last episode could have been done in 20 minutes!
Part of the problem is time is slipping away in the series and the fans see them wasting it - I hope that they really use the last 3 hrs but I dont have faith anymore.
Part of the problem is time is slipping away in the series and the fans see them wasting it - I hope that they really use the last 3 hrs but I dont have faith anymore.
Sideshow Bob
Footballguy
They really did have a plan from the very beginning, and now it's taking shape beyond the television set. Brilliant execution, really.
Dr. No
Footballguy
are you an employee of the show?
What we are watching is really not good TV or storytelling.
The show was very well written from season 1-3, then the writers strike happened and the show just went from weird (but in a good way) and edgy to stupid.
oso diablo
Footballguy
reminds me of the Star Wars movies
Sideshow Bob
Footballguy
They're causing RL people to shift from men of faith to men of science. You can't script that kind of brilliance.Dr. No said:
Mario Kart
Footballguy
The show is as good as ever. It is not the shows fault that people expecting one thing, hoped for another, and were given something different. Don't blame the show for your failure of expectations. Again, the show is as good as ever and the people downplaying how good it is lost something... the show has not.
Dr. No
Footballguy
All its caused me to do is deeply regret watching this show, wish I had the time back, want to punch the writers in the face, and chastise my friend who roped me into this show.
I usually don't watch this type of #### because it's generally crap. Well.. for awhile, Lost wasn't crap.. I was entertained. But then once I was pot committed the writers took a huge dump on everyone.
I can tell you I won't get sucked into another one of these types of shows ever again. Sports is a lot easier to consume and enjoy on TV.
Dr. No
Footballguy
well you're just wrong.it's not that I hoped for one thing and didn't get it.I didn't know how I wanted to the show to be resolved.but I do know that if there was a way I did NOT want it to be resolved that this would be it.The episode ranked terribly amongst the show's own fans.It's just not good TV or storytelling.
Porkchop Express
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Sad. What Emmy shows have you written? What grammy songs have you written? What Oscar movies have you written? What honor winning novels have you written? Everyone is a critic and sadly your own expectations are not going to be met. That is not the shows fault. If you did know how you wanted it to end, you surely had expectations as to how it should end and it is not going to in your mind, oh well. In a world full of negativity, there are dozens in here proclaiming this show is horrible now, must be nice to live in a world that keeps reinforcing negative notions in your current life. Again, the show has not changed at all. Each season is a different chapter in the whole story. Appreciate what they do give you rather than what they do not because the show did not go down the path you thought it would.And, if you hate the show so much, quit posting about it.
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Lehigh98
Footballguy
It's ironic and frustrating that it feels that way when it was their decision to self impose a deadline for ending the show so they could finish the story the way they wanted to and not have to keep plugging along with a meandering storyline for years as long as the ratings held up and the nextwork kept wanting to greenlight additional seasons. You would think the pacing would be exactly the way they would want to set it up with that grand plan in mind years in advance but several episodes have felt like filler to stretch things out and now it seems like they're trying to rush things to catch up for the conclusion. I thought the announcement of an end date years in advance was really cool when they did it but now it seems like its just a source of frustration.That said, looking at the show in its entirety, its still one of my favorites (if not #1) of all time.Guess that's why some of these things bother me more than they would for any other show.Hedgehog said:
CrunchBerries
Footballguy
Mario Kart pulling some serious pwnage in here.
parrot
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
People who present their opinion as fact (terrible writing, the show just sucks now, the writers owe me an apology for taking a huge dump on me) is always hilarious to me. "I'm pot committed". 
Waaaaaaaaaah.
Waaaaaaaaaah.Let's go Han
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Mario Kart is to Lost
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Otis is to iPad
sorry Mario Kart
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Otis is to iPad
sorry Mario Kart
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CrunchBerries
Footballguy
Porkchop Express
Footballguy
Most people posting about their disappointment actually have liked the show, and still do. You do realize that being critical doesnt mean you hate the show. Or is all or nothing, black or white, love or hate it in your mind.The show is definately not the same as it was seasons ago, this has been for better and worse but during the last season or so it has been bad, that takes nothing away from the quality of earlier in the series. In fact the high quality of the early seasons only highlight the ridiculously bad recent episodes.My expectations are to have whatever outcome they chose to be well written, well acted, somewhat explainable, and in line with what we have previously seen in the last 6 years. So far I am very disappointed.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Now that Lost is ending, I need a new show to complain and moan about every week. Anyone got any suggestions?
packersfan
Footballguy
I wasn't a big fan of this week's show but I think the season has been damn good and the show itself remains incredible. I don't expect everything to be answered at this point and I'm fine with that. I just want a fun ride to the end and this season has delivered. It hasn't always been perfect but few shows rarely are during a season. I am going to miss this show greatly when it's over.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
There's a show on Tuesday May 17th (1 hour, at its regular time) and the season finale is on Sunday May 23rd. The season finale airs from 9:00-11:30 and there's apparently a 2-hour recap before and some sort of Kimmel special afterwards.JerseyToughGuys said:
Sideshow Bob
Footballguy
Result of the flash sideways?
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
This is all coming together exactly as I predicted.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Simon Cowell is leaving American Idol...should make a bad show absolutely dreadful.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Jacob was mentioned as early as season two and referenced many times as being "in charge" of the island and viewers were clamouring for more information on this mysterious Jacob and his role in the whole plot.
We've seen and heard Smokey since season one and people have been wondering what it is and what it's purpose is since then.
Now people are complaining that we're getting these answers because they're not invested in the characters? They've been central, if not entirely visible, almost the entire series.
Their presence does not diminish the "main" characters of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc. as they'll be central to the ending of the story. But, to beg for answers about Jacob and Smokey and who they are and why they're doing it and then complain because you're getting answers (albeit answers you don't like) is bizarre to me.
Perhaps this show's best and worst quality at the same time is that it caused it's viewers to think. Viewers came up with pre-conceived notions of the answers they'd like—it's only natural to do that when you become invested in the characters and there are so many mysteries layered throughout the show that are slow to be answered. And human nature being what it is, we think our own answers are the best. When the answers we're provided don't match up with what we think is better, people will naturally become upset that it doesn't measure up.
We've seen and heard Smokey since season one and people have been wondering what it is and what it's purpose is since then.
Now people are complaining that we're getting these answers because they're not invested in the characters? They've been central, if not entirely visible, almost the entire series.
Their presence does not diminish the "main" characters of Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, etc. as they'll be central to the ending of the story. But, to beg for answers about Jacob and Smokey and who they are and why they're doing it and then complain because you're getting answers (albeit answers you don't like) is bizarre to me.
Perhaps this show's best and worst quality at the same time is that it caused it's viewers to think. Viewers came up with pre-conceived notions of the answers they'd like—it's only natural to do that when you become invested in the characters and there are so many mysteries layered throughout the show that are slow to be answered. And human nature being what it is, we think our own answers are the best. When the answers we're provided don't match up with what we think is better, people will naturally become upset that it doesn't measure up.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Result of the flash sideways?
Many are speculating that the 23rd is also a very significant date given that it's one of the numbers and that it's Jack's "Candidate number"
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Wish you had your time back?Somebody call Desmond or prep the donkey wheel...Stat!
Yes, I thought Jacob was actually a pretty cool character before he ever appeared on screen.
Yeah, that one was always a bit weird, but it was forgivable when the rest of the story was awesome.
Back when the show held my attention better, Jacob and the Smoke Monster were side-characters at best. (We didn't even know that they were actually characters. Jacob could have been made up, and Smokey could have been, well, pretty much anything.)I don't think it's accurate to imply that Jacob and Smokey have been the same since day one.
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Dr. No
Footballguy
Yes. all i wish is that i had the time back.Wish you had your time back?Somebody call Desmond or prep the donkey wheel...Stat!
Sideshow Bob
Footballguy
The FFA of island characters.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
I feel that since the Season Five finale....it's been an entirely different show. To me, all of the DHARMA/Others/Widmore stuff that was a significant driving force of the first five seasons has been rendered moot as soon as Jacob and MIB appeared on the beach.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I caught the pilot episode of this show completely by accident. I was flipping around the TV almost 6 years ago, and somehow came across Jack waking up in the jungle. I thought "hmm, what is this?" eventually, Jack runs out onto the beach amidst the debris of plane parts, dead bodies, and confused, bloody survivors. then some guy got sucked into a turbine, the turbine blew up, Kate showed up, Locke stood up, Sawyer stole some ####, and Hurley made some jokes. I was hooked.
I haven't missed an episode since that day. sure there have been some extraneous plot lines, irrelevant elements and characters, and head scratching logic. but I still love it. maybe I don't get the same sense of awe much any more, like I did at certain moments before (Eko's faceoff with Smokey, Walt being kidnapped, Locke's "I was wrong" when the hatch imploded, Alex being executed, just to name a few), but I'm invested to the end. the current direction may not be some people's cup of tea, and I get it...there are some developments that I wish would have gone a different way. but the show hooked me early on like very few other shows ever have, so when it's over, I'll be happy, sad, and have no choice but to be satisfied with what I was given.
and to be honest, I watch it these days just as much for the performances as for the plot. I really enjoy the performances of Locke, Hurley, Ben, Sawyer, Desmond, and Faraday...especially Locke, and I believe that Terry O'Quinn deserves serious Emmy consideration.
I haven't missed an episode since that day. sure there have been some extraneous plot lines, irrelevant elements and characters, and head scratching logic. but I still love it. maybe I don't get the same sense of awe much any more, like I did at certain moments before (Eko's faceoff with Smokey, Walt being kidnapped, Locke's "I was wrong" when the hatch imploded, Alex being executed, just to name a few), but I'm invested to the end. the current direction may not be some people's cup of tea, and I get it...there are some developments that I wish would have gone a different way. but the show hooked me early on like very few other shows ever have, so when it's over, I'll be happy, sad, and have no choice but to be satisfied with what I was given.
and to be honest, I watch it these days just as much for the performances as for the plot. I really enjoy the performances of Locke, Hurley, Ben, Sawyer, Desmond, and Faraday...especially Locke, and I believe that Terry O'Quinn deserves serious Emmy consideration.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm fine with that. My problem with this episode isn't didn't really forward the story in any meaningful way in my opinion or answer many pressing questions. OK, Jacob and MIB are brothers and we now know who Adam and Eve are. That's all I got from the episode in terms of answers. And at this stage of the game, the show needs to be about finality. Again, I don't expect all of the answers to be provided and I'm fine with that but having an episode at this stage which doesn't really fuel the storyline in a meaningful way seems like extremely poor timing. I think this episode could have easily been placed earlier in the season - perhaps right after we first saw young Jacob in the woods.And I'm not someone who's been #####ing about this show. I think this season has been great for the most part. I just didn't think this episode was all that great and it was a real downer following an episode which I did believe was great and really pushed the storyline further in interesting ways.
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Sack-Religious
Footballguy
At one time, Ben was a side character and has emerged to be quite central. This show, with it's intertwined storylines has obviously morphed considerably since the beginning. Some would say for the better, some would say for worse. I'm admittedly a big fan, but I'm trying to remain objective, at least until the final episode.I think, looking back at the show, Smokey actually had a much bigger role than Jacob. He/it appears to have been talking to and/or guiding Ben since Ben was brought to the island as a boy. In episode 4 of season one, Locke comes face-to-face with Smokey, gets "scanned" and along with Ben becomes an integral part of Smokey's loophole to kill Jacob and get his one wish of getting off the island.I wasn't suggesting that Jacob and Smokey were the same since day one, if it came across that way it wasn't meant to. While we didn't know since day one that they were characters their actions have been what brought these people (and many others) to the island and also what got many of these same people killed. I guess what I'm saying is that while they haven't been "in your face" central the whole time, they've been guiding the story constantly and consistently towards the end-game.
Dr. No
Footballguy
that's one of my main problems with the whole thing.Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
Original post fixed
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For me, the first three seasons were awesome because they were character-driven episodes, some unexplained phenomena and mystery, and basically a self-contained stroyline and plot. The story was riveting and you were always wondering what would happen next to the people on the island and what lay on the other side of the island.
But then they stared having flash forwards, backwards, and sideways. And multiple timelines. And the same characters got spaced out on and off the island in different decades. Now the characters have become secondary.
At this point, it almost seems like the show has very little to do with the first three seasons at all. The Others, the hatch, Dharma, the numbers, the main characters, how they were going to get off the island, etc. really don't matter much at all anymore. Now it's more about basic good vs. evil, faith vs. science, and they have made it a point to try to make things more obscure and bizarre to expand the mysteries. IMO, we care about the tried and true characters we have watched for years, so many people would prefer to concentrate on them without introducing new characters, new timelines, more locales, or more stories from across the ages. They had enough mysteries to explore without having to one up themselves each week.
The backstory was a great device to develop each key character. Even though Kate was on the run, we learned about how she got to be where she was. At this point, we have had so little time devoted to her this season on both the island and in the flash sideways that she almost is immaterial. The plane crash was so distant in the story that what started the show has been rendered unimportant. And while they raised questions in the first few seasons, much of what happened could be considered somewhat believable. It's almost gone from non-fiction (could have been the story of a real plane crash) to fiction (got to be a bit over the top) to science fiction (time travel, folklore, superhero powers, reincarnation, etc.).
While it's still entertaining, it has morphed into a completely different show. Overall, some of the issues early on required some suspension of disbelief, but the show was mostly grounded in believable events and characters. Since then, the central driving force is a smoke monster that doubles as a corpse brought to life on the island who at one point was a time traveller but is still alive off the island in one universe but dead in another. So the same character (or a variation of him) is wheelchair bound, dead, and an uber being all rolled into one.
So while some folks may say it's still a brilliantly written show, IMO, it's not the same show. Some folks may not like the direction it took, and I tend to agree with Maurile that it went from must see tv to I better watch just to play out the string and maybe they will tie things together and have it make a little more sense.
At this point, the analogy I used was that it's a 1,000 piece puzzle that has given us 400 puzzle pieces in 6 years. Now with only a handful of hours left, they have way more puzzle pieces left than they could realistically dole out and that may make for a disappointing ending for some. Clearly we haven't seen it all yet, but that's the sense some people are getting . . .
But then they stared having flash forwards, backwards, and sideways. And multiple timelines. And the same characters got spaced out on and off the island in different decades. Now the characters have become secondary.
At this point, it almost seems like the show has very little to do with the first three seasons at all. The Others, the hatch, Dharma, the numbers, the main characters, how they were going to get off the island, etc. really don't matter much at all anymore. Now it's more about basic good vs. evil, faith vs. science, and they have made it a point to try to make things more obscure and bizarre to expand the mysteries. IMO, we care about the tried and true characters we have watched for years, so many people would prefer to concentrate on them without introducing new characters, new timelines, more locales, or more stories from across the ages. They had enough mysteries to explore without having to one up themselves each week.
The backstory was a great device to develop each key character. Even though Kate was on the run, we learned about how she got to be where she was. At this point, we have had so little time devoted to her this season on both the island and in the flash sideways that she almost is immaterial. The plane crash was so distant in the story that what started the show has been rendered unimportant. And while they raised questions in the first few seasons, much of what happened could be considered somewhat believable. It's almost gone from non-fiction (could have been the story of a real plane crash) to fiction (got to be a bit over the top) to science fiction (time travel, folklore, superhero powers, reincarnation, etc.).
While it's still entertaining, it has morphed into a completely different show. Overall, some of the issues early on required some suspension of disbelief, but the show was mostly grounded in believable events and characters. Since then, the central driving force is a smoke monster that doubles as a corpse brought to life on the island who at one point was a time traveller but is still alive off the island in one universe but dead in another. So the same character (or a variation of him) is wheelchair bound, dead, and an uber being all rolled into one.
So while some folks may say it's still a brilliantly written show, IMO, it's not the same show. Some folks may not like the direction it took, and I tend to agree with Maurile that it went from must see tv to I better watch just to play out the string and maybe they will tie things together and have it make a little more sense.
At this point, the analogy I used was that it's a 1,000 piece puzzle that has given us 400 puzzle pieces in 6 years. Now with only a handful of hours left, they have way more puzzle pieces left than they could realistically dole out and that may make for a disappointing ending for some. Clearly we haven't seen it all yet, but that's the sense some people are getting . . .
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I agree with you. I had very high expectations for this episode and was actually somewhat disappointed with it. That said, I can't say definitively what it did, or didn't do because I don't know how this past episode will play into the next 3.5 hours. If there is absolutely nothing from "Across the sea" reflected in the next 3.5 hours, then it was a wasted episode, but I think it's too early to judge that just yet. For the most part, I have faith that the placement and pace of these episodes are playing into the finale and that there's a reason this episode was placed where it was. After nearly 6 seasons that, for the most part, I've really enjoyed I have to have faith that they know what they're doing.Over its history, Lost has been good at hiding an answer in plain sight, so perhaps there were things in the past episode we'll realize had much more significance when all is said and done.
packersfan
Footballguy
Good point. I hope after the finale that things we've seen previously all become crystalized. For what it's worth, several cast members have hinted that will be the case.
Peak
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
IMO, the problem is that they set an end date to the show - rewind back to Charlie's "Where are we?" quote from Season 1. Everyone then wanted to know where they were and why. Then eveyrone got invested in the people that had crashed on the island. And then about Dharma, the people on the island, why the island is special and on and on and on. Well, we've all wanted to know like Charlie, where they are and why. The problem is most of us got more interested in all the in-between time and writing because it was so good and we all enjoyed it. When they made the decision to finish the series they realized they would have to finally give the answer to the big questions - maybe not the mysteries along the way. But the big questions of the island and why they are there. Maybe some of the writing this season has been subpar (I would tend to agree at times). Maybe it's been subpar because they really didn't have all the details fleshed out like they said they did. Either way, they almost have no choice but to have some kind of resolution which most seem to be liking less than the overall trip. With the Lost universe they've made there could be any number of interesting story arcs they could write and it would be interesting and take up an entire season. They've just had to attempt to write a begin/end to this overall story and on some level they aren't doing a great job, but I'm still enjoying it.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I don't understand this as a complaint, really. Think of it this way, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Ben and whomever else you want to put in there are simply pawns to the overall picture here. They are all puppets being played with to fit a larger story. The flashbacks we saw of them gave us information as to how each one of them can be manipulated over a long period of time. We saw their weaknesses, strengths, loves, desires, hopes, whatever else and that gave us information as to how the game was being played. That covers season 1. Season 2 brought in more people, the Tailies, as well as the Others and gave us more information as to how the backgrounds, weaknesses and such but also gave us more information to the overall game. All of these people were living on the beach or living in Otherton and following orders from who? The Losties followed orders from Jack, the Others from Ben, and Ben from Jacob via Richard and/or possibly MIB. The significance of the season led us down to who might be important as there were deaths but overall they were insignificant.
Season 3 brought us the possibilities of getting off the island to fulfill their wishes but in the end they had to go back because the draw of the island, rather the draw of their weaknesses needed them to get back to the island to continue playing the game. We met new people with new backgrounds but that only showed us how they, too, can be or have been manipulated.
In the end, what we have seen is that Jacob and MIB, for now, are the main characters and everyone else played a significant role in the game those two are playing. The role of the Senet game tells us that that game is the oldest game known to man. But, the oldest game known to man is how man manipulates man as that has been done in every civilization since the beginning of time. Jacob and MIB are playing a game and moving the pieces throughout time to try to win. This past episode, if not showing us the origin of the two, definitely showed us that they each like playing games. There are rules to follow, rules we do not know yet fully, but they apparently do with their own objectives as well.
The writers did not lead us down any wrong paths throughout the six seasons, rather they showed us in plain daylight how each piece can be moved and how each piece influences another piece. The writers were not playing a game with us either, rather they were giving us the rules as to how the game is played. And, it has turned into one hell of a game.
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Neo
The Dude minds
Great post David...pretty much sums up how a lot of us probably feel. Good work.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Based on my response to Maurile, I just thought of something.
MiB, when he was a boy of about 12 saw the ghost of his mother and she guided him towards The Others, who I guess could now be called The Original Others.
Ben, when he was a boy of about 12 saw the ghost of his mother and she guided him towards The Others.
Is there any significance here, or am I drawing parallels where there are none to be made?
MiB, when he was a boy of about 12 saw the ghost of his mother and she guided him towards The Others, who I guess could now be called The Original Others.
Ben, when he was a boy of about 12 saw the ghost of his mother and she guided him towards The Others.
Is there any significance here, or am I drawing parallels where there are none to be made?
KGB
Footballguy
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
What a bunch of whiners in this thread.
Sure the last episode wasn't the greatest, but let's see how it plays out over the final 2 shows.
The fact that this show could have gone in so many directions and did, is why there are so many whiners. At the end of last season everyone was predicting how this season would play out (Landing at LAX), and they did that in the first episode.
The shows unpredictability is it's 2nd greatest strength, behind the writing. A lot of people want their formulaic ####e and aren't getting it. Go watch a sitcom.
The thrill isn't in the ending, it's in the ride.
Lost sure has been a great rollercoaster
Sure the last episode wasn't the greatest, but let's see how it plays out over the final 2 shows.
The fact that this show could have gone in so many directions and did, is why there are so many whiners. At the end of last season everyone was predicting how this season would play out (Landing at LAX), and they did that in the first episode.
The shows unpredictability is it's 2nd greatest strength, behind the writing. A lot of people want their formulaic ####e and aren't getting it. Go watch a sitcom.
The thrill isn't in the ending, it's in the ride.
Lost sure has been a great rollercoaster
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Are you my brother?
