*** Official Lost Season 6 *** (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

I think my biggest problem was it was anti-climactic - or at least not climactic. The confrontation between Widmore and unLocke & unLocke and Jack - just not enough build up during the show. I know Jack v Locke has been built up for a while but the confrontation last night felt like more of a formality.

And even upon beating unLocke, he has to fix the island. I think a great confrontation would have made it more enjoyable - something to do with choice, or sacrifice, or good v evil

Just "a while", huh? How about the whole show?

 

[Rooster]

My lost timeline goes something like this:

Love the concept of survivors on a strange island with mysteries and "others."

I get invested in the characters and it starts feeling a little sci-fi for my tastes, I feel a little duped because that's not exactly what I thought I signed up for but whatever ... good show.

That half season where Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are getting tortured on hydra island rubs me the wrong way. The show is losing me, too many questions and not enough answers.

I realize that I'm bound to be disappointed but hang on just long enough until I hear they announce the end. I think that this clearly shifts the equation. Before, I was bound to be disappointed because it would be cancelled at some undetermined point where they'd have to wrap up several seasons worth of mysteries in a few shows. Now they have time to slowly give us the answers and everyone can be happy. Renewed interest.

I'm mostly happy with the show until the last few episodes because I have faith in the writers to wrap everything up. They've had years and hours and hours of TV, they're not going to leave out the basics, right? Why negotiate an end if you don't have an awesome plan? A couple episodes left and I realize they can't possibly answer everything, I go back to mildly disappointed and ready to be over with it.

In the end, I'm disappointed, but relieved it's over. Too many basic mysteries left unsolved (Why the emphasis on children being special (especially Walt)? Why can't you have kids on the island? etc.). So many changes in the focus of the story (Plane Crash on an Island, Losties vs. Others, What is Dharma, Widmore vs Ben, Getting off the Island, Getting back to the Island, Smokey vs MIB, etc.) that I can't even remember some of the mysteries or plot lines. Others, in retrospect, seem completely unnecessary. In the end, Dharma feels like a diversion (Is there still any plausible reason for the food crates being dropped by planes? Especially so long after Ben wiped them out?). Not really important to the story, yet we spent a couple seasons thinking that it was the source of all the mystery. That feels wasted. So much, in retrospect, feels like wasted parts of the story just to lead us on.

It wasn't all bad, obviously, or it wouldn't have been so popular. In the end, it was entertaining enough that I'd have rather watched it than some random new sitcom, but my disappointment is more in that it could've been so much better than it was, but the story changed direction too much and when I look back and see that all the direction changes were just a way to stall telling the real story, it cheapens the experience. This isn't the case of a fan of the Lions being disappointed for their being terrible. It's the fan of the New England Patriots feeling like they could've been a part of something legendary and above reproach, but they just couldn't take advantage of the opportunity and instead are 18-1. The writers let me down, but lets not forget how great they were along the way to even have that opportunity.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

I think my biggest problem was it was anti-climactic - or at least not climactic. The confrontation between Widmore and unLocke & unLocke and Jack - just not enough build up during the show. I know Jack v Locke has been built up for a while but the confrontation last night felt like more of a formality.

And even upon beating unLocke, he has to fix the island. I think a great confrontation would have made it more enjoyable - something to do with choice, or sacrifice, or good v evil

Just "a while", huh? How about the whole show?

What'd you guys expect? Should they have spliced in the Burly Brawl or The Final Showdown from the last two Matrix movies?(Actually, that would have been kinda cool.)

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

I think my biggest problem was it was anti-climactic - or at least not climactic. The confrontation between Widmore and unLocke & unLocke and Jack - just not enough build up during the show. I know Jack v Locke has been built up for a while but the confrontation last night felt like more of a formality.

And even upon beating unLocke, he has to fix the island. I think a great confrontation would have made it more enjoyable - something to do with choice, or sacrifice, or good v evil

Just "a while", huh? How about the whole show?

What'd you guys expect? Should they have spliced in the Burly Brawl or The Final Showdown from the last two Matrix movies?(Actually, that would have been kinda cool.)

You misunderstand me. I think that the final conflict was built very nicely. I liked the fact that that they went together to "duke it out"; neither of them being sure what would happen, ultimately.

 

[El Floppo]

just sideways world?

I took it that they died from the plane-crash and the whole show was purgatory.

Here's two things that might change your mind:

1. When Jack walked past has father's white tennis shoe hanging from the bamboo in his death scene last night it was weathered, a clear attempt to show that real time had passed since the initial Oceanic 815 crash that flung him into the bamboo. The shoe was clean and white in the opening scene.

2. Apparently the shots of the wreckage that aired with the closing credits- after the LOST logo- weren't part of the script, and that footage didn't air in other countries.

...... If they're spending "time" in purgatory after the plane crash- wouldn't the shoes age along with all of them?

I could see that they survived the plane crash and then all died before or in the Nuke, going through purgatory side-ways world afterwards. If that, I don't see what the escaping plane means (although I did take it as Jack's way of letting go of his responisibiites to his friends, but then that means the show is about him and not all his friends). As I'm typing, I think the plane is the producers' way of keeping some mystery in the show and not wrapping everything up with a nice little bow exactly how we all guessed it would after the first few shows.

Seems to me, they planned it but then denied the whole purgatory thing thinking they'd come up with something better as they kept writing. They didn't. And I don't mind.

Here's what I was thinking:1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

2. I'm guessing a lot of people who concluded that they were dead from the crash and were in purgatory all along did so based on the footage of the wreckage with no survivors shown over the closing credits. I thought it was a possibility myself, until I got on the internets this morning and read that the footage wasn't in the script and didn't air in other countries. That's why I mentioned it.

re: 2... I don't remember at what point my wife and I realized it, but it was either season 1 or 2 that the whole purgatory thing came up for us. As it did here and and also directed at the producers who flatly denied the show had anything to do with Purgatory.re: 1... I hear ya. Very overt cinematic statement with the shoes. I still think it means like I'm saying, but c'est la fromage. So if it's like you're saying- do you agree with the previous posts that say the people on the plane escape and then return to the island later for purgatory after they've all died? (Dodd's post?) I don't.

 

[Lehigh98]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

 

[Carver]

What were Jacob and the MIB? (Serious question)

 

[El Floppo]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

wow. a bit uppity, no?

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

re: 1... I hear ya. Very overt cinematic statement with the shoes. I still think it means like I'm saying, but c'est la fromage. So if it's like you're saying- do you agree with the previous posts that say the people on the plane escape and then return to the island later for purgatory after they've all died? (Dodd's post?) I don't.

We don't see purgatory on the Island. All the purgatory elements of the story happen in L.A.(Which sounds about right. Except replace purgatory with hell.)

 

[Dr. No]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

worst ever.shades of the "higher ground" schtick from Star Wars.but ultimately just terrible.the real John Locke would've thrown that knife in the air and pegged Jacked in the gut on his way down from his jump and gotten pwned.That was BAD

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

It was like Achilles in Troy or Perseus in Clash Of The Titans.

 

[Neo]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

worst ever.shades of the "higher ground" schtick from Star Wars.but ultimately just terrible.the real John Locke would've thrown that knife in the air and pegged Jacked in the gut on his way down from his jump and gotten pwned.That was BAD

I was cracking up....I laughed even harder when it came back on and they barely touched each other. I was thinking Jack was going to rock-em-sock-em take his head off and it was like this girlie push and the both tumble away from each other. Hysterical.

 

[El Floppo]

re: 1... I hear ya. Very overt cinematic statement with the shoes. I still think it means like I'm saying, but c'est la fromage. So if it's like you're saying- do you agree with the previous posts that say the people on the plane escape and then return to the island later for purgatory after they've all died? (Dodd's post?) I don't.

We don't see purgatory on the Island. All the purgatory elements of the story happen in L.A.(Which sounds about right. Except replace purgatory with hell.)

And yeah- I stand corrected. LA, not the island.

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

 

[Angry Cheesehead]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

However, as stated before, I DID immediately hear Joe Rogan say, "OHHH! SUPERMAN PUNCH! Locke defends it nicely"

 

[TobiasFunke]

just sideways world?

I took it that they died from the plane-crash and the whole show was purgatory.

Here's two things that might change your mind:

1. When Jack walked past has father's white tennis shoe hanging from the bamboo in his death scene last night it was weathered, a clear attempt to show that real time had passed since the initial Oceanic 815 crash that flung him into the bamboo. The shoe was clean and white in the opening scene.

2. Apparently the shots of the wreckage that aired with the closing credits- after the LOST logo- weren't part of the script, and that footage didn't air in other countries.

...... If they're spending "time" in purgatory after the plane crash- wouldn't the shoes age along with all of them?

I could see that they survived the plane crash and then all died before or in the Nuke, going through purgatory side-ways world afterwards. If that, I don't see what the escaping plane means (although I did take it as Jack's way of letting go of his responisibiites to his friends, but then that means the show is about him and not all his friends). As I'm typing, I think the plane is the producers' way of keeping some mystery in the show and not wrapping everything up with a nice little bow exactly how we all guessed it would after the first few shows.

Seems to me, they planned it but then denied the whole purgatory thing thinking they'd come up with something better as they kept writing. They didn't. And I don't mind.

Here's what I was thinking:1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

2. I'm guessing a lot of people who concluded that they were dead from the crash and were in purgatory all along did so based on the footage of the wreckage with no survivors shown over the closing credits. I thought it was a possibility myself, until I got on the internets this morning and read that the footage wasn't in the script and didn't air in other countries. That's why I mentioned it.

re: 2... I don't remember at what point my wife and I realized it, but it was either season 1 or 2 that the whole purgatory thing came up for us. As it did here and and also directed at the producers who flatly denied the show had anything to do with Purgatory.re: 1... I hear ya. Very overt cinematic statement with the shoes. I still think it means like I'm saying, but c'est la fromage. So if it's like you're saying- do you agree with the previous posts that say the people on the plane escape and then return to the island later for purgatory after they've all died? (Dodd's post?) I don't.

No, I don't think so. My read is the same as what seems to be the plurality opinion- the island was real and the alt-timeline was some sort of purgatory-like fantasy/reconciliation that took place "after" they had all lived out their lives and were ready to move on to whatever comes next.

 

[The Duff Man]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

 

[toshiba]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

I agree I think purgatory is the wrong word, but it is easier then explaining what it really was. Maybe we can call it "The Meeting Place"

 

[larry_boy_44]

Is there anyone that believes they had the basic ideas for the series ending all along? Pretty sure that whole "cave of light" stuff was first thought of a few months ago.

no, I don't see any reason to assume that the closing scene was planned from day 1.... Nothing happened in that closing scene (both the church one and Jack dying) that would make me think they didn't have it planned from the beginning...Now, maybe they didn't plan on Juliet and Ben being a part of it, but other than that, i don't see why not...

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

Right. It's also the reason the island was underwater at the beginning of this season. They created a place where the island no longer existed as they knew it. Not really that hard to follow.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Great show. Will definitely be missed and for all the speculation, I think the show was meant to convey a message that you can take out of it what you want. There were religious overtones but at no time do I recall hearing the word "God" said at all. The show and its meaning were not religious in nature rather any one religion in nature. It was about people and trying to understand life and death.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Is there anyone that believes they had the basic ideas for the series ending all along? Pretty sure that whole "cave of light" stuff was first thought of a few months ago.

no, I don't see any reason to assume that the closing scene was planned from day 1.... Nothing happened in that closing scene (both the church one and Jack dying) that would make me think they didn't have it planned from the beginning...Now, maybe they didn't plan on Juliet and Ben being a part of it, but other than that, i don't see why not...

How about the fact that Jack was supposed to die in either the pilot or early on in the first season? Don't remember which but I remember that being talked about in Season 1.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

I agree I think purgatory is the wrong word, but it is easier then explaining what it really was. Maybe we can call it "The Meeting Place"

Limbo might be closer.

The Limbo of the Fathers (limbus patrum) was the abode of people who, before Jesus' Resurrection, had died in the friendship of God, but had to wait for Christ to open heaven's gates. This concept of Limbo affirms that one can get into heaven only through Jesus Christ but does not portray Moses, etc., as being punished eternally in Hell.

 

[packersfan]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

Right. It's also the reason the island was underwater at the beginning of this season. They created a place where the island no longer existed as they knew it. Not really that hard to follow.

Agreed. I thought it was very straight forward with how they explained it. No ambiguity whatsoever.

 

[tdoss]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

I agree I think purgatory is the wrong word, but it is easier then explaining what it really was. Maybe we can call it "The Meeting Place"

Limbo is the word you're looking for...Still...DUPED though...we were all DUPED!

 

[TobiasFunke]

1. They wouldn't have been so careful to have shown the weathered tennis shoe to draw the obvious contrast if they didn't want you to come to the conclusion that real time had passed. I'm not talking about what might have happened to a random shoe in some purgatory-like spiritual state. I'm talking about the writers/producers conscious decision to show the aged shoe as one of the last images. Seems to me like a clear attempt by them to make the island events "real."

They also had a character tell us the island events were real. I'm not sure what more the producers needed to do. They provided the answer. People can like it or not like it but I don't see any ambiguity with what Christian said to Jack with that statement.

I think the purgatory line of thinking is off track. My take is that the island stuff was real. The flash sideways stuff was the afterlife but not purgatory. Christian explained it: a place you created so you could find each other and remember. That is it. I believe the prevailing thought about purgatory is that it is a place where you are temporarily punished for your sins before being cleansed for heaven. The flash sideways was not about being punished. If anything, the Losties had better lives there than in real life.

Right. It's also the reason the island was underwater at the beginning of this season. They created a place where the island no longer existed as they knew it. Not really that hard to follow.

Agreed. I thought it was very straight forward with how they explained it. No ambiguity whatsoever.

The island no longer existing would be one thing. But that's not what they showed. They showed the island underwater, which makes no sense in a world "created" so they could find each other and remember. That's why the failure to explain the underwater island shot is my biggest beef with the finale. Unless maybe its being underwater at the time they flew over was symbolic of it being submerged/hidden, and they had to discover it, which they began to do when Charlie took Desmond under water?Hmmm.

 

[(HULK)]

I think the finale would've worked better if they had kept it from being the uber sappy happy ending.

Maybe have it exactly the same, and then after Jack closed his eyes, smash cut to a couple of Dharma guys in a cave or something looking at a monitor that says, "End of simulation, repeat Y/N?" And have them look at each other and type Y, then smash cut to Jack's eyes opening, and then WHOOOSH: LOST

Would've been better imo. Let us think it was a happy ending and then steal it away. Would've fit much better with how the show has been over the years. A true happy ending was a cop out I think.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

I think the finale would've worked better if they had kept it from being the uber sappy happy ending.Maybe have it exactly the same, and then after Jack closed his eyes, smash cut to a couple of Dharma guys in a cave or something looking at a monitor that says, "End of simulation, repeat Y/N?" And have them look at each other and type Y, then smash cut to Jack's eyes opening, and then WHOOOSH: LOSTWould've been better imo. Let us think it was a happy ending and then steal it away. Would've fit much better with how the show has been over the years. A true happy ending was a cop out I think.

Ah yes the Ambrose "Bitter" Bierce ending...

 

[packersfan]

The island no longer existing would be one thing. But that's not what they showed. They showed the island underwater, which makes no sense in a world "created" so they could find each other and remember.

It makes sense to me. Everything about the Sideways world was false. The island under water was false as well. It's all linked.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is there anyone that believes they had the basic ideas for the series ending all along? Pretty sure that whole "cave of light" stuff was first thought of a few months ago.

no, I don't see any reason to assume that the closing scene was planned from day 1.... Nothing happened in that closing scene (both the church one and Jack dying) that would make me think they didn't have it planned from the beginning...Now, maybe they didn't plan on Juliet and Ben being a part of it, but other than that, i don't see why not...

How about the fact that Jack was supposed to die in either the pilot or early on in the first season? Don't remember which but I remember that being talked about in Season 1.

They clearly had it in mind since at least the end of Season 5. The "Apollo" (God of light and truth) candy bar getting stuck in the machine? Either they set up Juliet's line about unplugging it and plugging it back in way back then, or they just got really really lucky. I assume the former.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Did they ever explain why Kate sometimes has freckles and sometimes doesn't? That's the only mystery I really cared about.

 

[wikkidpissah]

thoughts:

- Apparently i was the only Lost fan on these boards who watched Abrams' previous show. Alias, cuz its yet to be mentioned during this postgame wrapup. The Alias finale prepared me for the Lost finale, both doing similar things: Suggesting an answer instead of providing the answers, then reminding us how invested we were in the relationships created by the show. I never believed they had anything but a basic flow chart at the beginning, because the nature of the business is too fluid to allow for any more (they werent given 6 seasons to work with, they were given Season One ....then Season Two....after Season Three, they could write their own ticket and agreed they could keep the arcs juggled for three more years without milking it & began writing the mythology that at least made the themes cogent).

- Dont you DARE buy the August DVD release. You just know that the edition released around Xmas will have an entire disc of Abrams, Cuse & Lindehof play-by-play-ing the entire series.

- Cant wait for the Hurley-running-the-island spinoff. I imagine a brief desert-island dalliance between Hugo & Ben (where the latter was an excellent #2), but then they'll use the energy of the island to bring down a plane filled with Next Top Model contestants being flown to a shoot, with Ben eventually becoming irritated by his cohort's Big Kahuna act with the ladies. Call it "2 1/2 Men, plus Ben".

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that. That's the Secret of Abrams - in Alias, Lost & the Star Trek movie, he has used the fact that inter-personal drama intensifies when naught but madness surrounds it, and i've come to enjoy that, even if its the only reason they worked so hard to come up with so much madness.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

Did they ever explain why Kate sometimes has freckles and sometimes doesn't? That's the only mystery I really cared about.

For some, an increase in sunlight increases the prevalence of freckles. Happens to my wife.

 

[pollardsvision]

So, when people go to sideways-world or purgatory or your basic afterlife limbo, do they only forget the things that happened on a mystical, time-traveling island (or off the island with people from the island)?

 

[packersfan]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that. That's the Secret of Abrams - in Alias, Lost & the Star Trek movie, he has used the fact that inter-personal drama intensifies when naught but madness surrounds it, and i've come to enjoy that, even if its the only reason they worked so hard to come up with so much madness.

I'm a big Abrams fan but other than writing and directing the pilot and helping to create the series, I don't think he's had any creative input since then. The finale struck me as being entirely Cuse and Lindelof.

 

[El Floppo]

I'm coming around to the Island=real, LA=Limbo version.

FFAer brought up Kate telling Jack in teh chapel that it had been a long time since she'd seen him... that, along with the arguments posed in here has swayed me.

edit: also the whole Ben/Hurley you were a great #1/#2 thing, sim to above.

 

[bigbottom]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that.

That was the one reunion that bothered me a bit. Sure, he and Shannon had a fling, but she wasn't the love of his life.

 

[cstu]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that.

That was the one reunion that bothered me a bit. Sure, he and Shannon had a fling, but she wasn't the love of his life.

 

[David Yudkin]

Humor me for a minute. Could a case be made that exploding the bomb sank the island AND killed everyone on it and that season 6 was all limbo and purgatory on BOTH the island and in the flash sideways?

Both had themes of redemption, both had characters doing things that they wished they could do or filling roles that they wanted, both had the battle of faith vs science, etc.

If not, there are many things that don't add up in terms of timelines, who lives/dies, who gets off the island/who doesn't, etc.

IMO, Juliet saying that "it worked" could reflect all of them getting off the island by dying and getting back together after they had died.

 

[wikkidpissah]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that. That's the Secret of Abrams - in Alias, Lost & the Star Trek movie, he has used the fact that inter-personal drama intensifies when naught but madness surrounds it, and i've come to enjoy that, even if its the only reason they worked so hard to come up with so much madness.

I'm a big Abrams fan but other than writing and directing the pilot and helping to create the series, I don't think he's had any creative input since then. The finale struck me as being entirely Cuse and Lindelof.

Disagree. I'm guessing that Cuse & Lindehof became an entity during the course of the show & Abrams entrusted them with the 4-6 arc (which explains the disconnect: while the "tribes" gestalt of 1-3 was very Abrams, he was fascinated by the time-travel/mythology angles and turned the plotting over to them once they got the go-ahead from network to resolve the show as they wanted), but EVERYTHING was run by the boss first.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Humor me for a minute. Could a case be made that exploding the bomb sank the island AND killed everyone on it and that season 6 was all limbo and purgatory on BOTH the island and in the flash sideways?Both had themes of redemption, both had characters doing things that they wished they could do or filling roles that they wanted, both had the battle of faith vs science, etc.If not, there are many things that don't add up in terms of timelines, who lives/dies, who gets off the island/who doesn't, etc.IMO, Juliet saying that "it worked" could reflect all of them getting off the island by dying and getting back together after they had died.

You just...(pop) blew my mind!

 

[packersfan]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that. That's the Secret of Abrams - in Alias, Lost & the Star Trek movie, he has used the fact that inter-personal drama intensifies when naught but madness surrounds it, and i've come to enjoy that, even if its the only reason they worked so hard to come up with so much madness.

I'm a big Abrams fan but other than writing and directing the pilot and helping to create the series, I don't think he's had any creative input since then. The finale struck me as being entirely Cuse and Lindelof.

Disagree. I'm guessing that Cuse & Lindehof became an entity during the course of the show & Abrams entrusted them with the 4-6 arc (which explains the disconnect: while the "tribes" gestalt of 1-3 was very Abrams, he was fascinated by the time-travel/mythology angles and turned the plotting over to them once they got the go-ahead from network to resolve the show as they wanted), but EVERYTHING was run by the boss first.

I admit I don't know the specifics about Abrams' involvement since the pilot but based on what I've read it sounds like he had very little creative involvement with the series after the first season. If someone knows more specifically please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

 

[Statorama]

Humor me for a minute. Could a case be made that exploding the bomb sank the island AND killed everyone on it and that season 6 was all limbo and purgatory on BOTH the island and in the flash sideways?

I could get behind that.

 

[Statorama]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that.

That was the one reunion that bothered me a bit. Sure, he and Shannon had a fling, but she wasn't the love of his life.

Yeah, Nadia kind of got the shaft there.

 

[Iraqi Information Minister]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that.

That was the one reunion that bothered me a bit. Sure, he and Shannon had a fling, but she wasn't the love of his life.

Yeah, Nadia kind of got the shaft there.

Like in Braveheart when Wallace fights a war for the dead love of his life only to sleep with the princess because...

 

[TobiasFunke]

- I'm glad the finale reminded me how invested i'd become in the relationships of Lost. Had a choke point with even Sayid & Beach Bimbo and i barely even remember that. That's the Secret of Abrams - in Alias, Lost & the Star Trek movie, he has used the fact that inter-personal drama intensifies when naught but madness surrounds it, and i've come to enjoy that, even if its the only reason they worked so hard to come up with so much madness.

I'm a big Abrams fan but other than writing and directing the pilot and helping to create the series, I don't think he's had any creative input since then. The finale struck me as being entirely Cuse and Lindelof.

Disagree. I'm guessing that Cuse & Lindehof became an entity during the course of the show & Abrams entrusted them with the 4-6 arc (which explains the disconnect: while the "tribes" gestalt of 1-3 was very Abrams, he was fascinated by the time-travel/mythology angles and turned the plotting over to them once they got the go-ahead from network to resolve the show as they wanted), but EVERYTHING was run by the boss first.

I admit I don't know the specifics about Abrams' involvement since the pilot but based on what I've read it sounds like he had very little creative involvement with the series after the first season. If someone knows more specifically please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

You're right. From Lostpedia:

Early in Season 1, Abrams was busy with producing and directing Mission: Impossible III. When Damon Lindelof was considering quitting Lost due to the sudden burden, Carlton Cuse talked him out of leaving and joined the show's staff as an executive producer.[3] From this point on, Abrams stopped being directly involved with the show.[4] Abrams briefly considered returning to the show and getting "more involved" with Season 3. Even though he intended directing an episode and "writing some"[5], he ultimately only ended up co-writing the Season 3 premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities", together with Damon Lindelof. (The Lost: Missing Pieces mobisode "The Envelope", which was officially released over a year later, also has an Abrams/Lindelof writing credit, but is actually a deleted scene from "A Tale of Two Cities").In an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live! in early May 2008, Damon Lindelof denied rumors of not having heard from Abrams in years, and confirmed still being in contact with him. At the 2009 Hawaii International Film Festival, Lindelof stated that Abrams watches Lost as a fan, seeing the episodes for the first time as they air, and has "expressed an interest and curiosity in how the show is going to end."[6] Abrams is still credited as an executive producer of the show as of Season 5. Abrams will not be involved with Season 6, as he thinks that Damon and Carlton themselves should finish what they have been doing with the show.

Sounds to me like he hasn't had much to do with Lost for years.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Ok, who else laughed out loud at Jack's jump in the air and throw a punch move right before the commercial break when him and MIB were running at each other ready to attack on the cliff face?

that was a good CoD jump/knife moveI was seriously hoping Jack would pickup a bat-like stick and the FFA would get to solve another mystery.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Humor me for a minute. Could a case be made that exploding the bomb sank the island AND killed everyone on it and that season 6 was all limbo and purgatory on BOTH the island and in the flash sideways?Both had themes of redemption, both had characters doing things that they wished they could do or filling roles that they wanted, both had the battle of faith vs science, etc.If not, there are many things that don't add up in terms of timelines, who lives/dies, who gets off the island/who doesn't, etc.IMO, Juliet saying that "it worked" could reflect all of them getting off the island by dying and getting back together after they had died.

I'm saying no. Kate said to Jack when they were reunited in the alt world that she had missed him for so long. I think this indicates she kept on living a long life after leaving him on the island. Also, Hurley and Ben had a relationship as #1 and #2 on the island. I see no reason to treat those as anything other than 'real' in terms of the show.

 

[The Duff Man]

If there is a Spinoff, it should be about Miles. Maybe he re-integrates Richard into the real world and hilarity ensues?