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[Buckychudd]

No offense meant to you with this comment, but that would be a huge disappointment.

agreed

It doesn't mean that's the only meaning for the numbers.

 

[Brewdude]

Hulk, the schtick is already old and you just started today.Come on man...

 

[shuke]

Did you see the St. Elsewhere finale?

Bump. Just read some spoilers and this is the answer.

 

[Zapato]

ABC destroyed the other networks on Wednesday. Head Cases.

'Lost' finds big ratings Wednesday'Head Cases' gone after two episodes LOS ANGELES, California (Hollywood Reporter) -- Fresh off its upset Emmy win for best drama Sunday, "Lost" went off the chart Wednesday with eye-popping, series-high ratings delivered by its sophomore-season debut."Lost" and its 8 p.m. recap special, "Destination: Lost," sucked up so much of the available audience that ABC's rivals had a hard time getting any traction on the night. NBC in particular suffered through weak turnouts for the 8 p.m. bow of "The Apprentice: Martha Stewart" and 9 p.m.'s "E-Ring."Fox took such a drubbing at 9 p.m. with the second outing of "Head Cases" that the drama about a pair of oddball lawyers became the new season's first official cancellation by Thursday afternoon.Of the six broadcast networks, UPN was the most competitive, relatively speaking, with solid numbers from its two-hour premiere of "America's Next Top Model." ABC capped a stellar night with a strong showing from the 10 p.m. debut of the drama "Invasion," which proved a worthy companion to "Lost.""Lost" opened its second season with 23.4 million viewers and a 10.2 rating/25 share in the adults 18-49 demographic, according to Nielsen Media Research. That marked all-time high ratings for the series, even higher than its first-season finale, a two-hour cliffhanger that brought in 20.7 million viewers and a 7.8/19 in adults 18-49 in May even as it went mano a mano with the final round of competition on Fox's "American Idol." ("Lost" proved it was going to be a major player for ABC right out of the box this time last year, when it premiered to an impressive 18.7 million viewers and a 6.8/20 in adults 18-49.)At 8 p.m., "Destination: Lost" (15.3 million, 5.9/17) got ABC off to a good start and made things inordinately more difficult for NBC's heavily promoted "Apprentice" hosted by Stewart (7.1 million, 2.3/7). Still, the lack of a turnout for the opening salvo of Stewart's "Apprentice" bodes badly for the series; many in the industry had predicted sizable ratings for at least the first few episodes of the series, if only for the curiosity factor.There was no silver lining at all for Fox in the 9 p.m. hour, as the new drama "Head Cases" (3.1 million, 1.2/3) sank to cancellation territory in what proved to be its final airing.At 10 p.m., "Invasion" (16.4 million, 6.8/17) kept ABC on top by a mile with strong retention of its "Lost" lead-in. "Invasion" and the second hour of the "CSI" finale conspired to push NBC's veteran "Law & Order" (13 million, 4.0/10) to a record-low turnout for a season premiere episode.UPN looked sharp with the fifth edition of "Top Model," finishing out with an average of 4.8 million viewers and a 2.3/6 in adults 18-49. In the final half-hour of the two-hour premiere, "Top Model" peaked at 5.4 million viewers.

 

[Buckychudd]

Did you see the St. Elsewhere finale?

Bump. Just read some spoilers and this is the answer.

Let's hope they don't #### it up that badly.

 

[GoL]

Is it common knowledge that there is an endgame planned?How many seasons does it include? Why should anyone beleive that this won't spiral into an endless series of flashbacks and coincidences until there is no way to tie them all together at all?

 

[Buckychudd]

Is it common knowledge that there is an endgame planned?

How many seasons does it include. Why should anyone beleive that this won't spiral into an endless series of flashbacks and coincidences until there is no way to tie them all together at all?

Let's hope they don't #### it up that badly.

 

[saintfool]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs. But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

do we believe the hatch and its content pre-date rousseau's arrival on the island?the hatch and its contents would have to be constructed in the jungle. the construction of it all would have been rather obvious. rousseau likely would have observed the construction, if she did not actively participate in the construction.

i believe she knows what is within the hatch, specifically who "desmond" is. she attempted to dissuade the survivors from opening the hatch, if i recall correctly. she did not mention as a reason that it was a biohazard/quarantine. she is living away, roughing it really, deliberately despite the possibility of an increased likelihood of survival on the island by sharing the experience with "desmond". "desmond" is ill, infected with whatever malaise that necessitated rousseau's killing of her original science team comrades. "desmond" remains in the hatch, therefore, for his own safety but is infected. now jack, locke and kate are infected. "desmond" believes that they serve rousseau and/or possibly the "others".

 

[Zapato]

 

[Zapato]

:X

 

[Tick]

Is it common knowledge that there is an endgame planned?

How many seasons does it include? Why should anyone beleive that this won't spiral into an endless series of flashbacks and coincidences until there is no way to tie them all together at all?

Pessimistically, that's what I expect. I'll love this show for four years, then stick around for another year, then stop watching in disgust. The X Flies plan.I'd love to see them go in with a three-year plan, which would give them time to think up their next series, which would also have a three-year plan... they'd be king of the ratings if they had those guts, I think.

 

[Sclaffer]

Why must the Black Rock be a slave ship? Why couldn't be a prisoner ship? Was Australia a place that England sent it's prisoners? Not sure what means this, but would at least throw that out there. Still doesn't tell us how the ship go so far in shore (hurricane? typhoon?)

 

[shuke]

(HULK) also see white rock on table

Really? I'm not seeing it.......also, do you have to TYPE like the Incredible Hulk? Playing the role gets a little annoying after a while.

Is white. Is round. Is on left of table.(HULK) not smart. No type like regular people, get angry when type big words.

Big words....?Inconclusive....I would say its a flourecent Illuminating device.

The schtick is groing old, Bruce.

No, white rock from pool table!

so it is a circular piece of granite? A pool ball.nah. I am going to stick with lightbulb.

They say white rock and black wrong in all scenes.Where black rock?

Seriously, are you just learning english, or something?

I thought "MeatCutterDan" was rock-bottom for alias shtick.I was wrong.

 

[shuke]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs.  But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

Crazy french lady look like when she see hatch.

Was that , as in "hey... I didn't know that was there", or , as in "DAMN! They found the hatch"?

(HULK) think she not know it there

Seriously dude, be quiet please.

 

[shuke]

Some semi-spoilers from TV Guide about the new cast members:

The black guy - plays a Nigerian that "lives" on the island. TV Guide speculates it's a survivor from the heroin-carrying plane. Also, producers hinted that the plane plays a big role in the plot.

The blonde woman plays a therapist named Libby. Doesn't appear until episode 4. TVG speculates that she was the woman on the others' boat. A therapist?

 

[stbugs]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs.  But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

Crazy french lady look like when she see hatch.

Agree with posts above, the Boone/Locke found the hatch by accident by dropping something on it. It was never visible because it had dirt on it. It would be more probable that Rousseau never knew about it than she knew.

 

[stbugs]

I count 29 tick marks.

108 is written twice

I see an angry, amphibian-looking thing at the tip of the arrow.

I see 13 people...expected that to match one of the numbers.

I also count 13 rays from the Sun.

Could just be overanalyzing it.

I really wonder if the numbers are tied to the periodical chart...being on the bottle seems to tie them to chemicals...I'll have to do more research on this.

Isn't the blue thing above the arrow a bunch of waves. What looks like teeth between two waves are strands of the person's hair. I may be wrong, but it seems kind of obvious to me.For those who are having trouble keeping up, like me, here is the link to the mural again: LINK

 

[stbugs]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs.  But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

do we believe the hatch and its content pre-date rousseau's arrival on the island?the hatch and its contents would have to be constructed in the jungle. the construction of it all would have been rather obvious. rousseau likely would have observed the construction, if she did not actively participate in the construction.

i believe she knows what is within the hatch, specifically who "desmond" is. she attempted to dissuade the survivors from opening the hatch, if i recall correctly. she did not mention as a reason that it was a biohazard/quarantine. she is living away, roughing it really, deliberately despite the possibility of an increased likelihood of survival on the island by sharing the experience with "desmond". "desmond" is ill, infected with whatever malaise that necessitated rousseau's killing of her original science team comrades. "desmond" remains in the hatch, therefore, for his own safety but is infected. now jack, locke and kate are infected. "desmond" believes that they serve rousseau and/or possibly the "others".

I do think the hatch pre-dates Rousseau's arrival based on the computers. I am 13 years out of college and in my freshmen year (16 years ago), you could get an IBM PC or a Macintosh, so those computers are more than 16 years old based on my thoughts. Anyway, I think Desmond isn't sick, maybe loopy from being alone down there, and that Rousseau knew nothing about the hatch.I think Desmond came after Rousseau, but he is part of a group of folks, assuming he hasn't been on the island since the hatch was put in, that aren't Rousseau's folks, weren't on the plane, weren't on the Black Rock, aren't the drug dealers, aren't the others and know the most about what is going on.

Don't forget that saintfool made an important point that this hatch had to have been constructed by people not on the island, or growing new continent, that have been on/off again to bring all of the supplies and equipment, etc. Can we at least agree that the stuff in the hatch, like the new Whirpool washer/dryer, was brought to the island in a non-crash related voyage. That is why I think Desmond knows more than anyone else. That is also why I think nobody else is connected to him or else they could have easily gotten off the island. Why would they rough it when they could just bunk up with Desmond or take the boat back when FedEx delivered the washer/dryer that Desmond ordered at HomeDeport.com?

 

[Mahoney]

By any chance, has anybody taken the time to watch episodes 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23 exclusively- in order to check if it shed a different perspective on any particular issues? I haven't.......just thinking out loud.....

 

[Brewdude]

By any chance, has anybody taken the time to watch episodes 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23 exclusively- in order to check if it shed a different perspective on any particular issues?  I haven't.......just thinking out loud.....

Interesting idea. May have to do that.Just opened the DVD box, checked out the specials (nothing that special) and watched episode 1. A couple points:

1. They didn't edit out that black "magic carpet" that came swooping down when the engine exploded. There were other things (presumably debris) falling around the guy that got sucked in when one suddenly shot up and ricocheted off the engine as it exploded. Still don't know if it's significant...the explosion was from the guy getting sucked in.

2. Turned on closed captioning. After the first sighting of the "monster" at night...the next day, people are talking in the background as Jack & Kate get ready to go find the cockpit. A guy says something like "it's not an animal" to which Rose responds with "There was something familiar about the sound." A woman asks where she's from and Rose responds "Bronx." Just seemed an odd thing to say...

3. Where is the person with the raincoat when they visit the cockpit supposed to be?

ETA: There are a few easter eggs in the set, but nothing I saw that provided any insight.

 

[PeaceBringer]

finally saw the season premier on download. This thread is huge and not read anything but definitely the faith vs fact set up with jack going on. Someone saved who shouldn't have been. It was very interesting episode, would have loved to watch on TV (downloaded episodes is my least perferred method of viewing.

 

[Wingnut]

finally saw the season premier on download. This thread is huge and not read anything but definitely the faith vs fact set up with jack going on. Someone saved who shouldn't have been.

It was very interesting episode, would have loved to watch on TV (downloaded episodes is my least perferred method of viewing.

[babel]Downloaded the episode. Too lazy to read the thread, but I liked the science vs faith angle. gibberish, gibberish.

Thumbs up, but I would have rather watched it on something bigger than my 15" PC screen.

[/babel]

 

[Tick]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs. But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Very good post here.Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

do we believe the hatch and its content pre-date rousseau's arrival on the island?the hatch and its contents would have to be constructed in the jungle. the construction of it all would have been rather obvious. rousseau likely would have observed the construction, if she did not actively participate in the construction.

i believe she knows what is within the hatch, specifically who "desmond" is. she attempted to dissuade the survivors from opening the hatch, if i recall correctly. she did not mention as a reason that it was a biohazard/quarantine. she is living away, roughing it really, deliberately despite the possibility of an increased likelihood of survival on the island by sharing the experience with "desmond". "desmond" is ill, infected with whatever malaise that necessitated rousseau's killing of her original science team comrades. "desmond" remains in the hatch, therefore, for his own safety but is infected. now jack, locke and kate are infected. "desmond" believes that they serve rousseau and/or possibly the "others".

I do think the hatch pre-dates Rousseau's arrival based on the computers. I am 13 years out of college and in my freshmen year (16 years ago), you could get an IBM PC or a Macintosh, so those computers are more than 16 years old based on my thoughts. Anyway, I think Desmond isn't sick, maybe loopy from being alone down there, and that Rousseau knew nothing about the hatch.I think Desmond came after Rousseau, but he is part of a group of folks, assuming he hasn't been on the island since the hatch was put in, that aren't Rousseau's folks, weren't on the plane, weren't on the Black Rock, aren't the drug dealers, aren't the others and know the most about what is going on.

Don't forget that saintfool made an important point that this hatch had to have been constructed by people not on the island, or growing new continent, that have been on/off again to bring all of the supplies and equipment, etc. Can we at least agree that the stuff in the hatch, like the new Whirpool washer/dryer, was brought to the island in a non-crash related voyage. That is why I think Desmond knows more than anyone else. That is also why I think nobody else is connected to him or else they could have easily gotten off the island. Why would they rough it when they could just bunk up with Desmond or take the boat back when FedEx delivered the washer/dryer that Desmond ordered at HomeDeport.com?

 

[oso diablo]

2. Turned on closed captioning. After the first sighting of the "monster" at night...the next day, people are talking in the background as Jack & Kate get ready to go find the cockpit. A guy says something like "it's not an animal" to which Rose responds with "There was something familiar about the sound." A woman asks where she's from and Rose responds "Bronx." Just seemed an odd thing to say...

a plausible Bronx connection (yes, i know it's in Brooklyn)

 

[Heavy B]

"No one is really watching the show for the answers to those mysteries. They're watching to see: Will Kate and Jack hook up?"

I'm in it for the mysteries.

Me too. I couldn't care less about hook-ups.

As a matter of fact I'd prefer to avoid them - romance BS takes away from plot time. Gimme Mr Locke being drug underground by the Gizmo and the little kid spontaneously generating polar bears, brutha!

(and if you can't give that to me then spend the episode team developing why not and what's really going on rather then me having to sit through Freckles and The Doctor smooching. )

 

[Sack-Religious.]

2.  Turned on closed captioning.  After the first sighting of the "monster" at night...the next day, people are talking in the background as Jack & Kate get ready to go find the cockpit.  A guy says something like "it's not an animal" to which Rose responds with "There was something familiar about the sound."  A woman asks where she's from and Rose responds "Bronx."  Just seemed an odd thing to say...

a plausible Bronx connection (yes, i know it's in Brooklyn)

Not that we heard the sound during the first episode. But the chain winding sound when Locke was being dragged sounds a lot like the sound of old-school roller coaster cars being brought up a steep incline.

 

[Heavy B]

Could Adebisi be the black lady's husband who was also in the tail section?

I thought Adebisi was a great character on Oz. That said I don't Rose's husband is a big enough role for him. He just seems to carry a lot of weight and I see that character as being a throw away. I'd much rather see him being the leader of the Others or something with some power/importance.

Rose's husband is supposed to be Samuel L. Jackson if I remember correctly.

Samuel L. Jackson: Sawyer, it's dark as hell in here. Hand me my flashlight.Sawyer: Which one is it?

Samuel L. Jackson: The one that says "Bad Mother Fu##er" on it.

 

[NCCommish]

2.  Turned on closed captioning.  After the first sighting of the "monster" at night...the next day, people are talking in the background as Jack & Kate get ready to go find the cockpit.  A guy says something like "it's not an animal" to which Rose responds with "There was something familiar about the sound."  A woman asks where she's from and Rose responds "Bronx."  Just seemed an odd thing to say...

a plausible Bronx connection (yes, i know it's in Brooklyn)

Not that we heard the sound during the first episode. But the chain winding sound when Locke was being dragged sounds a lot like the sound of old-school roller coaster cars being brought up a steep incline.

Yep

 

[NCCommish]

Could Adebisi be the black lady's husband who was also in the tail section?

I thought Adebisi was a great character on Oz. That said I don't Rose's husband is a big enough role for him. He just seems to carry a lot of weight and I see that character as being a throw away. I'd much rather see him being the leader of the Others or something with some power/importance.

Rose's husband is supposed to be Samuel L. Jackson if I remember correctly.

Samuel L. Jackson: Sawyer, it's dark as hell in here. Hand me my flashlight.Sawyer: Which one is it?

Samuel L. Jackson: The one that says "Bad Mother Fu##er" on it.

 

[Incogneto]

2 new tidbits that just came to me...1) The Bunkbeds. When Desmond woke up at the start of the ep, he jumped down from the TOP BUNK of BUNKBEDS. So I started thinking....Remember Ethan? Any possibility that the bottom bunk was for him?2) There has been some talk of the Island not being an Island at all. Any chance that it actually moves? This might help to explane an african drug plane and African Slave ship.....Possibly, 100-50 years ago, the 'island' was located in the Atlantic, and had just relocated to the South Pacific 16 years ago....When transmissions of the numbers were first picked up...Wow...I REALLY like my No.2. Anyone else want to add on to this?

 

[saintfool]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs. But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

do we believe the hatch and its content pre-date rousseau's arrival on the island?the hatch and its contents would have to be constructed in the jungle. the construction of it all would have been rather obvious. rousseau likely would have observed the construction, if she did not actively participate in the construction.

i believe she knows what is within the hatch, specifically who "desmond" is. she attempted to dissuade the survivors from opening the hatch, if i recall correctly. she did not mention as a reason that it was a biohazard/quarantine. she is living away, roughing it really, deliberately despite the possibility of an increased likelihood of survival on the island by sharing the experience with "desmond". "desmond" is ill, infected with whatever malaise that necessitated rousseau's killing of her original science team comrades. "desmond" remains in the hatch, therefore, for his own safety but is infected. now jack, locke and kate are infected. "desmond" believes that they serve rousseau and/or possibly the "others".

I do think the hatch pre-dates Rousseau's arrival based on the computers. I am 13 years out of college and in my freshmen year (16 years ago), you could get an IBM PC or a Macintosh, so those computers are more than 16 years old based on my thoughts. Anyway, I think Desmond isn't sick, maybe loopy from being alone down there, and that Rousseau knew nothing about the hatch.I think Desmond came after Rousseau, but he is part of a group of folks, assuming he hasn't been on the island since the hatch was put in, that aren't Rousseau's folks, weren't on the plane, weren't on the Black Rock, aren't the drug dealers, aren't the others and know the most about what is going on.

Don't forget that saintfool made an important point that this hatch had to have been constructed by people not on the island, or growing new continent, that have been on/off again to bring all of the supplies and equipment, etc. Can we at least agree that the stuff in the hatch, like the new Whirpool washer/dryer, was brought to the island in a non-crash related voyage. That is why I think Desmond knows more than anyone else. That is also why I think nobody else is connected to him or else they could have easily gotten off the island. Why would they rough it when they could just bunk up with Desmond or take the boat back when FedEx delivered the washer/dryer that Desmond ordered at HomeDeport.com?

what are the chances that the hatch and its contents were Hurley's australian friends listening post? the one driven crazy by the numbers?what are the chances that desmond was a survivor the the drug plane crash?

 

[Football Girl]

What was Desmond's exact quote about almost being a doctor?

"What do you know about sprains?""I was almost a doctor once."

"Small world."

Thanks. I have a feeling Desmond is some kind of medical/disease researcher. The mainframes recording data. The quarantine sign indicating the outside of the hatch. The serum he injected into himself as some type of antibody/vaccine.

I've been thinking about this, and I think you are right.Desmond is a medical researcher of some kind.

I'm leaning this way myself. For those of you theorizing he was only on the island for a short time (3-4 months) consider how non-chalant he was with his morning routine, injection, etc. The feeling I got was he has been there for a while, he was much too comfortable in his routine to have only been there for a short time.

So if Desmond is a medical researcher, it would indicate that the occurances on the island are of a biological nature rather than a mechanical nature.Which kind of shoots the nanobot theory to threads.

I don't think this shoots down the nanobot theory. I actually think it supports it. There is theoretical research on biological nanobots. They hope to someday inject these nanobots in people to attack cancer cells, etc. nanomedicineIf we are allowed to suspend belief for the show, there are a whole lot of places they could go with this. I still think the black swarm thing was very reminiscent of Prey by M. Crichton. It's been quite a while since I read it, but I remember that the nanobot swarms were able to take certain shapes (Walt in the woods?), bring things down from the sky, etc. Is it possible the Numbers are some kind of code to launch the nanobots?

 

[FFChick32]

I count 29 tick marks. 

108 is written twice

I see an angry, amphibian-looking thing at the tip of the arrow. 

I see 13 people...expected that to match one of the numbers.

I also count 13 rays from the Sun.

Could just be overanalyzing it.

I really wonder if the numbers are tied to the periodical chart...being on the bottle seems to tie them to chemicals...I'll have to do more research on this.

Isn't the blue thing above the arrow a bunch of waves. What looks like teeth between two waves are strands of the person's hair. I may be wrong, but it seems kind of obvious to me.For those who are having trouble keeping up, like me, here is the link to the mural again: LINK

OK, I have been staring at this mural also and noticed a few things, who knows if they are worth anything, but:1) One of the stick figures on the top left is colored red (Boone?)

2) Why are there houses on the mural - has anyone talked about that? They appear to be across the blue (water?) from the stick people, like there is civilized land not too far away from them.

3)I was trying to look at the stuff on the table in front of the mural and is that a gold key sticking up on the right side?

I really need to get a life!

 

[stbugs]

slow down, I started reading this thread 2 hours ago and now its grown another 6 pages.....I need to catch up

since I am only on page 15, I don't know if this has been stated yet but people were concerned about the timeline of Jack meeting Desmond then him being on the island for 16 yrs.  But, why do we have to assume he showed up the same time as Rosseau, maybe he has only been there a few years or less?

now slow this thing down until I catch up

this sort of makes me wonder. shouldn't Rousseau know about either or both the batch and its inhabitant(s)? if that's the case, why is she living in the bush instead of the more hospitable hatch?

Boone and Locke walked right over the hatch without noticing it buried under the brush. Only when they dropped the flashlight did they realize something was there.

do we believe the hatch and its content pre-date rousseau's arrival on the island?the hatch and its contents would have to be constructed in the jungle. the construction of it all would have been rather obvious. rousseau likely would have observed the construction, if she did not actively participate in the construction.

i believe she knows what is within the hatch, specifically who "desmond" is. she attempted to dissuade the survivors from opening the hatch, if i recall correctly. she did not mention as a reason that it was a biohazard/quarantine. she is living away, roughing it really, deliberately despite the possibility of an increased likelihood of survival on the island by sharing the experience with "desmond". "desmond" is ill, infected with whatever malaise that necessitated rousseau's killing of her original science team comrades. "desmond" remains in the hatch, therefore, for his own safety but is infected. now jack, locke and kate are infected. "desmond" believes that they serve rousseau and/or possibly the "others".

I do think the hatch pre-dates Rousseau's arrival based on the computers. I am 13 years out of college and in my freshmen year (16 years ago), you could get an IBM PC or a Macintosh, so those computers are more than 16 years old based on my thoughts. Anyway, I think Desmond isn't sick, maybe loopy from being alone down there, and that Rousseau knew nothing about the hatch.I think Desmond came after Rousseau, but he is part of a group of folks, assuming he hasn't been on the island since the hatch was put in, that aren't Rousseau's folks, weren't on the plane, weren't on the Black Rock, aren't the drug dealers, aren't the others and know the most about what is going on.

Don't forget that saintfool made an important point that this hatch had to have been constructed by people not on the island, or growing new continent, that have been on/off again to bring all of the supplies and equipment, etc. Can we at least agree that the stuff in the hatch, like the new Whirpool washer/dryer, was brought to the island in a non-crash related voyage. That is why I think Desmond knows more than anyone else. That is also why I think nobody else is connected to him or else they could have easily gotten off the island. Why would they rough it when they could just bunk up with Desmond or take the boat back when FedEx delivered the washer/dryer that Desmond ordered at HomeDeport.com?

what are the chances that the hatch and its contents were Hurley's australian friends listening post? the one driven crazy by the numbers?what are the chances that desmond was a survivor the the drug plane crash?

I don't think that Hurley's friends listening post was in the hatch. They heard the numbers, like Rouseau's team did. It seems like the hatch is the source of the signal or controlling it, but I am almost 100% sure that in Hurley's episode, the listening post folks just heard the signal and had nothing to do with creating it.I think it is remotely possible that Desmond could have been one of the smuggler's, but IMHO I think the smugglers crashed like everyone else did which means that they aren't associated with the hatch. The only people that I think could (pure conjecture) be connected to Desmond/the hatch constructors are the Others. The reason why they might be connected is because they have guns and a working boat (implying fuel source) and may kind of be the henchmen for the hatch folks. The only other reason is because they wanted Walt, so they have some other driving force than just getting off the island. Otherwise, they would have tried to get enough fuel and get out into the shipping lanes.

Anyway, Tick bumped my post (I think) above and I didn't see any comments, but it may be a good discussion to have about the hatch construction and how the groups fit together. The construction of the hatch is kind of overlooked, but it would definitely have required a lot of planning and people that would have known exactly where it was and made trips from a mainland (depending on what the island actually is) to there and back since only one person is left.

I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.

 

[prosopis]

Ad for next weeks episode says they are showing an encore of the premier before the new episode

 

[Tick]

Anyway, Tick bumped my post (I think) above and I didn't see any comments, but it may be a good discussion to have about the hatch construction and how the groups fit together. The construction of the hatch is kind of overlooked, but it would definitely have required a lot of planning and people that would have known exactly where it was and made trips from a mainland (depending on what the island actually is) to there and back since only one person is left.

Quote mistake. Somewhere buried in my bump is "Very good post"

 

[Brewdude]

I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.

The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?

 

[The Man With No Name]

The whispers:

Sayid in the Jungle

From "Solitary"

Man's voice-Just let him get out of here

Man's voice-He's seen too much already

Man's voice-What if he tells

Woman's voice-Could just speak to him

...

Where'd you find this, Boltz?This reminds me of a show (Twilight Zone?) I saw where an old couple's spirits are still in the house and taking care of and/or scaring people.

If the above is accurate, I wonder if it's people in another dimension...or hidden by a gravitational field that distorts light around them--a personal black hole.

I'm a little surprised there has been no more commentary on the transcript from the various "whispers" posted a few pages back (unless I missed in last year's thread). Have people dismissed this interpretation of the whispers as B.S.?Why would a man and a women be watching/monitoring Sayid/Sayer ect. and commenting on what they might have seen, whether they should speak to them, ect. Are these the spirits of the "Adam & Eve" corpses? or something less surreal/more mechanical.

In the season 1 thread, some of us theorized Adan and Eve were Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Why has no one suggested that Desmonds 'bunkmate' could have been Ethan?

 

[David Yudkin]

Why has no one suggested that Desmonds 'bunkmate' could have been Ethan?

Several people already suggested this.

 

[David Yudkin]

I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.

The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?

Int he Season One thread, there were several pages devoted to this, but I can't remember if it was in the first thread (deleted) or the second one (100+ pages long).IIRC, they were really not near anything noteworthy.

 

[FFChick32]

I count 29 tick marks. 

108 is written twice

I see an angry, amphibian-looking thing at the tip of the arrow. 

I see 13 people...expected that to match one of the numbers.

I also count 13 rays from the Sun.

Could just be overanalyzing it.

I really wonder if the numbers are tied to the periodical chart...being on the bottle seems to tie them to chemicals...I'll have to do more research on this.

Isn't the blue thing above the arrow a bunch of waves. What looks like teeth between two waves are strands of the person's hair. I may be wrong, but it seems kind of obvious to me.For those who are having trouble keeping up, like me, here is the link to the mural again: LINK

OK, I have been staring at this mural also and noticed a few things, who knows if they are worth anything, but:1) One of the stick figures on the top left is colored red (Boone?)

2) Why are there houses on the mural - has anyone talked about that? They appear to be across the blue (water?) from the stick people, like there is civilized land not too far away from them.

3)I was trying to look at the stuff on the table in front of the mural and is that a gold key sticking up on the right side?

I really need to get a life!

Another thought after I re-watched the beginning of the season premiere - is it just me or does it look like when Desmonde hears the blast and is adjusting his scope, that he turns it one way, then turns it a completely different way, like he is checking 2 different entrances for the source of the blast?

 

[Paper Lions]

Another thought after I re-watched the beginning of the season premiere - is it just me or does it look like when Desmonde hears the blast and is adjusting his scope, that he turns it one way, then turns it a completely different way, like he is checking 2 different entrances for the source of the blast?

I noticed this as well, and had the same thought. Forgot about it until now.

 

[saintfool]

Why has no one suggested that Desmonds 'bunkmate' could have been Ethan?

Who is Ethan?

Season 1... inhabitant of the island who hid among the survivors; kidnapped a very pregant claire and almost killed charlie; was apprehended by the main players and was promptly shot and killed by a distraught charlie. both claire and charlie have no real recollection of their time with ethan.

 

[stbugs]

Quote mistake. Somewhere buried in my bump is "Very good post"

I went back and found where you typed it! To try and keep this thread a little more concise (not that you can find anything anyway) I decided to remove the rest of the quote.

 

[stbugs]

I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.

The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?

Int he Season One thread, there were several pages devoted to this, but I can't remember if it was in the first thread (deleted) or the second one (100+ pages long).IIRC, they were really not near anything noteworthy.

True, but if after 6 hours they were far enough past Fiji that they couldn't make it back there then the whole "it's not an island" doesn't make sense if there are no wormhole/time travel/phenomenons. If you look in the Pacific there ain't much other than islands once you get past Australia/NZ/Fiji, which of course are islands as well, but I think the first thought by the survivors was that this was a small island, which makes some sense since Charlie/Sayid were able to run to the others fire signal in a couple hours.

 

[stbugs]

Another thought after I re-watched the beginning of the season premiere - is it just me or does it look like when Desmonde hears the blast and is adjusting his scope, that he turns it one way, then turns it a completely different way, like he is checking 2 different entrances for the source of the blast?

I noticed this as well, and had the same thought. Forgot about it until now.

I will have to check that out again. I do think that there are definitely multiple entrances to the hatch area and that the hatch that was blown up was one observation point.

 

[CDoody]

 

[Pass_The_Peas]

Is the first season out on dvd?

Yes. It came out a week or two ago.Another popular theory going around on other sites is known as the Genetic Mirror Theory. Here is the concept started with this post . . .

I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.

4 8 15 16 23 42

Let me explain...

The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory. Thats where I got it from.

LINKThe theory fits with the show, but no one apparently has been able to produce the book that allegedly is the primary focus for this explanation.

Shouldn't you be a twin to someone who was born in 1957? So in theory their can be 3 lookalikes alive at the same time?

 

[Pass_The_Peas]

Explain something to me..

www.oceanicflight815.com --> Click on Info, then Charecters.....

Why isn't Walt listed as a charecter? Rousseau is, and Walt isn't?

Just seemed a little strange to me.

He's been kidnapped, duh!!