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Another thought after I re-watched the beginning of the season premiere - is it just me or does it look like when Desmonde hears the blast and is adjusting his scope, that he turns it one way, then turns it a completely different way, like he is checking 2 different entrances for the source of the blast?
I noticed this as well, and had the same thought. Forgot about it until now.
I will have to check that out again. I do think that there are definitely multiple entrances to the hatch area and that the hatch that was blown up was one observation point.
I don't think it was shown on screen officially, but he had to hit switches to move mirrors to see the hatch. That does imply there are more entrances.
 
I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.
The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?
Not 1000 miles towards Fiji. 500 miles. They lost radio contact before they turned the plane, so they only need to go 500 miles backwards to be 1000 miles away from where they would have been if they'd kept going forwards. Make sense?
 
I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.
The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?
Not 1000 miles towards Fiji. 500 miles. They lost radio contact before they turned the plane, so they only need to go 500 miles backwards to be 1000 miles away from where they would have been if they'd kept going forwards. Make sense?
I almost posted the same thing, but then I thought it could be wrong.Why would they think they travelled another 500 miles? Wouldn't the search start in the place where radio contact was lost, i.e. at that point you could presume that the plane went down? I couldn't think of a reason why they would have assumed the plane lost contact at point X and so let's look for them at X+500. If at any point later the plane sent out a distress signal, wouldn't they have been able to see that the plane turned back?

That's why, I do think they travelled 1000 miles back towards Fiji after 6 hours in flight. I did a quick search and the 777 (right plane?) cruises at about 550mph, so in 6 hours, they would be 3000-3300 (considering take off time and coming up to speed), so they would have turned around and been about 2000 miles away from Sydney coming back towards Fiji.

 
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A couple of folks have mentioned white rocks and black rocks. Since we think we have identified the black rocks I was wondering more about the white rocks. Not sure what drugs where found on the plane (cocaine I think) but is it possible that there is some connection to crack which is some times called rock (and I would presume to be white). Also, any chance that the white rocks are diamonds and that someone has found a source on the "island" and it working to get them out (mining)?

 
A couple of folks have mentioned white rocks and black rocks. Since we think we have identified the black rocks I was wondering more about the white rocks. Not sure what drugs where found on the plane (cocaine I think) but is it possible that there is some connection to crack which is some times called rock (and I would presume to be white). Also, any chance that the white rocks are diamonds and that someone has found a source on the "island" and it working to get them out (mining)?
Heroin not cocaine, please try again ;)
 
I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.
The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?
Not 1000 miles towards Fiji. 500 miles. They lost radio contact before they turned the plane, so they only need to go 500 miles backwards to be 1000 miles away from where they would have been if they'd kept going forwards. Make sense?
I almost posted the same thing, but then I thought it could be wrong.Why would they think they travelled another 500 miles? Wouldn't the search start in the place where radio contact was lost, i.e. at that point you could presume that the plane went down? I couldn't think of a reason why they would have assumed the plane lost contact at point X and so let's look for them at X+500. If at any point later the plane sent out a distress signal, wouldn't they have been able to see that the plane turned back?

That's why, I do think they travelled 1000 miles back towards Fiji after 6 hours in flight. I did a quick search and the 777 (right plane?) cruises at about 550mph, so in 6 hours, they would be 3000-3300 (considering take off time and coming up to speed), so they would have turned around and been about 2000 miles away from Sydney coming back towards Fiji.
Of course they would. But that's not what we're talking about. The pilot said they were 1000 miles off course. Not from where they lost radio contact. To be 1000 miles off course you only have to travel 500 miles. Slightly more if you're going off at an angle.
 
:blackdot: Pages 15-19 of the thread were pretty much useless. Clone theory = :X . I'd stop watching if true.Many posts covering theories and observations already discussed in the first 10 pages. :thumbup: I hope the trend doesn't continue, but I think that this thread is in a downward spiral with over-analyzation. Maybe with a new episode coming Wednesday we can pick it back up again.
 
:blackdot:

Pages 15-19 of the thread were pretty much useless. 

Clone theory =  :X .  I'd stop watching if true.

Many posts covering theories and observations already discussed in the first 10 pages.  :thumbup:

I hope the trend doesn't continue, but I think that this thread is in a downward spiral with over-analyzation.  Maybe with a new episode coming Wednesday we can pick it back up again.
:blackdot:

Pages 15-19 of the thread were pretty much useless. 

Clone theory =  :X .  I'd stop watching if true.

Many posts covering theories and observations already discussed in the first 10 pages.  :thumbup:

I hope the trend doesn't continue, but I think that this thread is in a downward spiral with over-analyzation.  Maybe with a new episode coming Wednesday we can pick it back up again.
cl :own3d:
 
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Perhaps my favorite TV show ever, but in some ways I think that acting is not top notch across the board.However, not into season two, there's no doubt in my mind that Matthew Fox should start getting some individual nominations for Best Actor. Others are very good too (like Terry O'Quinn and Jorge Garcia), but Fox is phenomenal.

 
Perhaps my favorite TV show ever, but in some ways I think that acting is not top notch across the board.

However, not into season two, there's no doubt in my mind that Matthew Fox should start getting some individual nominations for Best Actor. Others are very good too (like Terry O'Quinn and Jorge Garcia), but Fox is phenomenal.
I was impressed (moved?) by his performance when Sarah told him she had feeling in her legs.I think all that crying on Party of Five helped....

 
I also went to Google and found that Fiji is about 1000-1500 miles away from New Zealand/Australia. Does anyone remember exactly what the pilot said? I remember that he said everyone would look 1000 miles away and I thought he mentioned Fiji, but I don't remember how/where of course they were. Might put a kabosh on the whole, its not an island thing, because only 1000 miles away from Fiji on a real mainlan would put them on New Zealand/Australia and I don't think that is the case.
The pilot said (not an exact quote, but damn close since I watched the pilot episode last night):They were a Sydney to LA flight. Six hours in, they lost radio contact and turned toward Fiji. They were 1,000 miles off course when the crashed. "They are looking for us in the wrong place."

Anyone want to figure out where a Sydney-->LAX flight is at the six hour mark, then estimate 1,000 miles toward Fiji?
Not 1000 miles towards Fiji. 500 miles. They lost radio contact before they turned the plane, so they only need to go 500 miles backwards to be 1000 miles away from where they would have been if they'd kept going forwards. Make sense?
I almost posted the same thing, but then I thought it could be wrong.Why would they think they travelled another 500 miles? Wouldn't the search start in the place where radio contact was lost, i.e. at that point you could presume that the plane went down? I couldn't think of a reason why they would have assumed the plane lost contact at point X and so let's look for them at X+500. If at any point later the plane sent out a distress signal, wouldn't they have been able to see that the plane turned back?

That's why, I do think they travelled 1000 miles back towards Fiji after 6 hours in flight. I did a quick search and the 777 (right plane?) cruises at about 550mph, so in 6 hours, they would be 3000-3300 (considering take off time and coming up to speed), so they would have turned around and been about 2000 miles away from Sydney coming back towards Fiji.
Of course they would. But that's not what we're talking about. The pilot said they were 1000 miles off course. Not from where they lost radio contact. To be 1000 miles off course you only have to travel 500 miles. Slightly more if you're going off at an angle.
Actually at an angle you would be less off course, but I digress. I understand the whole if they turned 500 miles back to crash that they would have been 1000 miles off course from where they should have been with no issues.My question is whether the pilot said they were 1000 miles off based on where the flight plan would have been or 1000 miles off where he thought they would search. I guess I find it hard to believe (without watching the episode again) that the pilot would be thinking about anything other than where they lost radio contact as the key point of divergence. IMHO he was using the radio contact loss point to frame his statement about being 1000 miles off course from where they were searching.

Do you at least agree that the search would be from where they lost radio contact, not where they lost radio contact + 500 miles especially since they wouldn't have know how far the plane went without radio contact?

Edit to Add: Why do we care about this again other than you wanting to correct the guy above?

 
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Perhaps my favorite TV show ever, but in some ways I think that acting is not top notch across the board.

However, not into season two, there's no doubt in my mind that Matthew Fox should start getting some individual nominations for Best Actor.  Others are very good too (like Terry O'Quinn and Jorge Garcia), but Fox is phenomenal.
I was impressed (moved?) by his performance when Sarah told him she had feeling in her legs.I think all that crying on Party of Five helped....
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Charlie and Jack are pretty much the same emotional character.

 
Actually at an angle you would be less off course, but I digress. I understand the whole if they turned 500 miles back to crash that they would have been 1000 miles off course from where they should have been with no issues.
What part of "more (than 500 miles) if you're going off at an angle" did you not understand? At an angle, you travel more than 500 miles to get 1000 miles off course. I said that. There was nothing to correct.
My question is whether the pilot said they were 1000 miles off based on where the flight plan would have been or 1000 miles off where he thought the would search. I guess I find it hard to believe (without watching the episode again) that the pilot would be thinking about anything other than where they lost radio contact as the key point of divergence. IMHO he was using the radio contact loss point to frame his statement about being 1000 miles off course from where they were searching.
Well, that's the real question. I listen to people's words and take them at face value. If somebody uses the words "off course", I hear "off course" and use that to determine how far off course they were. I don't try to figure out if they actually meant something else. It sounds simple, but you'd be surprised how many misunderstandings doing that gets me into. I blame that on people in general and the imprecision of modern speech.
Do you at least agree that the search would be from where they lost radio contact, not where they lost radio contact + 500 miles especially since they wouldn't have know how far the plane went without radio contact?
What part of "of course they would" did you not understand?
 
Perhaps my favorite TV show ever, but in some ways I think that acting is not top notch across the board.

However, not into season two, there's no doubt in my mind that Matthew Fox should start getting some individual nominations for Best Actor. Others are very good too (like Terry O'Quinn and Jorge Garcia), but Fox is phenomenal.
I was impressed (moved?) by his performance when Sarah told him she had feeling in her legs.I think all that crying on Party of Five helped....
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Charlie and Jack are pretty much the same emotional character.
Damn it, Bailey! Are you drinking again? Claudia, go to your room!
 
Actually at an angle you would be less off course, but I digress. I understand the whole if they turned 500 miles back to crash that they would have been 1000 miles off course from where they should have been with no issues.
What part of "more (than 500 miles) if you're going off at an angle" did you not understand? At an angle, you travel more than 500 miles to get 1000 miles off course. I said that. There was nothing to correct.
My question is whether the pilot said they were 1000 miles off based on where the flight plan would have been or 1000 miles off where he thought the would search. I guess I find it hard to believe (without watching the episode again) that the pilot would be thinking about anything other than where they lost radio contact as the key point of divergence. IMHO he was using the radio contact loss point to frame his statement about being 1000 miles off course from where they were searching.
Well, that's the real question. I listen to people's words and take them at face value. If somebody uses the words "off course", I hear "off course" and use that to determine how far off course they were. I don't try to figure out if they actually meant something else. It sounds simple, but you'd be surprised how many misunderstandings doing that gets me into. I blame that on people in general and the imprecision of modern speech.
Do you at least agree that the search would be from where they lost radio contact, not where they lost radio contact + 500 miles especially since they wouldn't have know how far the plane went without radio contact?
What part of "of course they would" did you not understand?
My bad on the angle thing. I misread, you were saying exactly what I said. :bag: I understand your thought, but I guess the face value I got was that they were 1000 miles off course based on where they lost radio contact. You may still disagree, but l don't know why he would say that they were 1000 miles off course if they were just 500 miles from the lost radio contact/where the rescuers would be point. I guess I would consider that turning point as where they went off course since it was the start of their from the flight path. I just don't think the pilot would continue to double the off course amount every mile they went back because they would have also gone another mile further in that same time.

The "of course" was my main point of issue. Couldn't you have used a term a little less close to our whole discussion of being "off course"? ;)

 
Perhaps my favorite TV show ever, but in some ways I think that acting is not top notch across the board.

However, not into season two, there's no doubt in my mind that Matthew Fox should start getting some individual nominations for Best Actor.  Others are very good too (like Terry O'Quinn and Jorge Garcia), but Fox is phenomenal.
I was impressed (moved?) by his performance when Sarah told him she had feeling in her legs.I think all that crying on Party of Five helped....
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Charlie and Jack are pretty much the same emotional character.
Damn it, Bailey! Are you drinking again? Claudia, go to your room!
Guys, I know I have my life back together again, but I got cancer.
 
Speaking of bad shticks... More from the German page.



Title: S02E02 - Adrift

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I am times like that free and open the contribution for the nae. Episode. Fact is, it around our pirates on the raft goes here and.....

Attention spoiler!

.....sie will discover a new monster in the water, which guards the island

We may be thus strained!
I think this was a rumor last year, but I'm not buying it.
 
Speaking of bad shticks... More from the German page.



Title: S02E02 - Adrift 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am times like that free and open the contribution for the nae. Episode. Fact is, it around our pirates on the raft goes here and.....

Attention spoiler!

.....sie will discover a new monster in the water, which guards the island 

We may be thus strained!
I think this was a rumor last year, but I'm not buying it.
So to translate:There is a security system in the water too?

 
Page 2 bump.

I'm think I'm gonna stop talking like the hulk for now.  It got old quick.
Shtick BAD!
Well, I thought it was funny at the time, and the time happened to be a friday afternoon after a frazzling work week, so my judgement may not have been clear.Anyway, I'm not an alias, so I'll just stick around and speak normally most of the time.

And now lets get back on topic...

I'd bet $50 they don't show us much of anything about the hatch next week. They'll focus on the rafters the whole time, and we'll still have 8000 unanswered questions until the 3rd episode.

 
Page 2 bump.

I'm think I'm gonna stop talking like the hulk for now.  It got old quick.
Shtick BAD!
Well, I thought it was funny at the time, and the time happened to be a friday afternoon after a frazzling work week, so my judgement may not have been clear.Anyway, I'm not an alias, so I'll just stick around and speak normally most of the time.

And now lets get back on topic...

I'd bet $50 they don't show us much of anything about the hatch next week. They'll focus on the rafters the whole time, and we'll still have 8000 unanswered questions until the 3rd episode.
I guarentee that is the game plan. The guy who plays 'Desmond' isn't due back until Episode 3.
 
Page 2 bump.

I'm think I'm gonna stop talking like the hulk for now.  It got old quick.
Shtick BAD!
Well, I thought it was funny at the time, and the time happened to be a friday afternoon after a frazzling work week, so my judgement may not have been clear.Anyway, I'm not an alias, so I'll just stick around and speak normally most of the time.

And now lets get back on topic...

I'd bet $50 they don't show us much of anything about the hatch next week. They'll focus on the rafters the whole time, and we'll still have 8000 unanswered questions until the 3rd episode.
Just giving you a hard time, green one. I don't think anyone would take that bet. Looks like Episode 2 is called "Adrift" and 3 is "Orientation". I hope they don't go back and forth all season. Although now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if they do do it like this until the 2 groups eventually merge ala Survivor.

Hehe.. I said "do do"

 
Question -I bet this is nothing, but I figured I'd ask because, well, it is a Lost thread:This Desmond guy - was there any resemblance to the tour guide guy that wouldn't let Locke on the bus?

 
Question -

I bet this is nothing, but I figured I'd ask because, well, it is a Lost thread:

This Desmond guy - was there any resemblance to the tour guide guy that wouldn't let Locke on the bus?
None. Zip. Zero. None.
 
Explain something to me..

www.oceanicflight815.com --> Click on Info, then Charecters.....

Why isn't Walt listed as a charecter?  Rousseau is, and Walt isn't?

Just seemed a little strange to me.
He's been kidnapped, duh!!
He's listed in the cast area...nothing to see here.
 
Page 2 bump.

I'm think I'm gonna stop talking like the hulk for now.  It got old quick.
Shtick BAD!
Well, I thought it was funny at the time, and the time happened to be a friday afternoon after a frazzling work week, so my judgement may not have been clear.Anyway, I'm not an alias, so I'll just stick around and speak normally most of the time.

And now lets get back on topic...

I'd bet $50 they don't show us much of anything about the hatch next week. They'll focus on the rafters the whole time, and we'll still have 8000 unanswered questions until the 3rd episode.
I'm now rooting for a rafter episode, ending with them finding the backhalfers, leading to eight straight weeks of focusing on the backhalfers before getting around to telling us about the hatch. That would make so many people so mad, and that sounds good to me.
 
Question -

I bet this is nothing, but I figured I'd ask because, well, it is a Lost thread:

This Desmond guy - was there any resemblance to the tour guide guy that wouldn't let Locke on the bus?
I don't think so, Desmond has an Irish or Scottish sounding accent and uses "brotha" a lot and the tour guide sounded pretty bland with probably a slight Australian tone.
 
Explain something to me..

www.oceanicflight815.com --> Click on Info, then Charecters.....

Why isn't Walt listed as a charecter?  Rousseau is, and Walt isn't?

Just seemed a little strange to me.
He's been kidnapped, duh!!
He's listed in the cast area...nothing to see here.
If you select his dad and scroll down, he's there.
 
Question -

I bet this is nothing, but I figured I'd ask because, well, it is a Lost thread:

This Desmond guy - was there any resemblance to the tour guide guy that wouldn't let Locke on the bus?
I don't think so, Desmond has an Irish or Scottish sounding accent and uses "brotha" a lot and the tour guide sounded pretty bland with probably a slight Australian tone.
It showed the scene where he wouldnt let Locke on the bus in the one-hour preview/recap season one show before the new episode aired. I just looked to be sure, and its not Desmond.
 
Question -

I bet this is nothing, but I figured I'd ask because, well, it is a Lost thread:

This Desmond guy - was there any resemblance to the tour guide guy that wouldn't let Locke on the bus?
I don't think so, Desmond has an Irish or Scottish sounding accent and uses "brotha" a lot and the tour guide sounded pretty bland with probably a slight Australian tone.
The actor who played the tour guide sounded like he was doing a very dodgy 'authentic' bush australian accent. Those of us who know what one sounds like will realise he's probably an american or an australian with a normal aussie accent trying to sound 'bush'
 
Page 2 bump.

I'm think I'm gonna stop talking like the hulk for now.  It got old quick.
Shtick BAD!
Well, I thought it was funny at the time, and the time happened to be a friday afternoon after a frazzling work week, so my judgement may not have been clear.Anyway, I'm not an alias, so I'll just stick around and speak normally most of the time.

And now lets get back on topic...

I'd bet $50 they don't show us much of anything about the hatch next week. They'll focus on the rafters the whole time, and we'll still have 8000 unanswered questions until the 3rd episode.
I'm now rooting for a rafter episode, ending with them finding the backhalfers, leading to eight straight weeks of focusing on the backhalfers before getting around to telling us about the hatch. That would make so many people so mad, and that sounds good to me.
I agree. As much as I would love for Desmond to sit down and go:"Well Jack, Kate and Locke, I have been down here for 24 months and I work for Y company who actually found the first sample of disease carrying nanobots on this island. We sent about 50 workers here to construct this hatch and half of them came down with the plague or were ripped apart by the monster so we shut the hatch and put a quarantine sticker on it. The Others on the island are the few workers who survived and we give them fuel and food every couple months if they bring us another child specimen to examine as we search to find a cure. Oh, did I forget to mention that we have a large magnetic device that disrupts airplane instrumentation. Sorry about that, once we got a treaty with the monster nanobots we can crash planes while leaving enough people alive to continue our research without government intervention. Once we have a cure, we can unleash the plague world wide and make billions on a new vaccine. Oh, I have been so rude brothas, would you some cream in your Starbucks coffee?"

I would actually like to see the story continue to unfold without getting all of the answers right away. I actually like the amount of work they put into the back-stories and I would like them to continue without giving us immediate gratification. That said, I hope they also don't keep wandering down paths that don't work because of something that happened before just to keep lining ABC's pockets.

 
To borrow from Prey some more, a large magnetic device would potentially useful in trying to control a swarm of rouge nanobots. Since they're tiny little metal things, a large magnet could potentially force them away or pull them in.Also, maybe the numbers are/were being broadcast as part of a set of instructions to the nanobots or something.

 
To borrow from Prey some more, a large magnetic device would potentially useful in trying to control a swarm of rouge nanobots. Since they're tiny little metal things, a large magnet could potentially force them away or pull them in.

Also, maybe the numbers are/were being broadcast as part of a set of instructions to the nanobots or something.
Hmmm, broadcasting signals with only a few numbers so I guess the nanobots can go up, down, left, right, stop and attack. That might be a bit limiting, although a really big magnet which you can turn on/off to control the swarm might have some issues as well.I guess I might throw this one out in the as plausible as clones theory.

 
To borrow from Prey some more, a large magnetic device would potentially useful in trying to control a swarm of rouge nanobots.  Since they're tiny little metal things, a large magnet could potentially force them away or pull them in.

Also, maybe the numbers are/were being broadcast as part of a set of instructions to the nanobots or something.
Hmmm, broadcasting signals with only a few numbers so I guess the nanobots can go up, down, left, right, stop and attack. That might be a bit limiting, although a really big magnet which you can turn on/off to control the swarm might have some issues as well.I guess I might throw this one out in the as plausible as clones theory.
Turning people into zombies by polluting the water supply had some issues too, but that never stopped the writer of Alias from doing it.The command could be the command for return home or turn off or something?

Its just a theory, but I haven't heard a better one for what the security system is.

 

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