They’re Netflix shows. I would guess they’ll stay there for a while. I don’t think they’ll sell them Disney.
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*** Official Marvel's Daredevil series on Netflix (2 Viewers)
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dhockster
Footballguy
I just started re-watching this last weekend with my 12 year old who is a big marvel fan but had not seen it. I forgot how violent it was. Still, at 12, I think he can handle it. We are about halfway through season 1. I had totally forgotten about the Hawkeye connection so we were both
at the ending last night. Marvel is awesome
Jayrod
Footballguy
I remember being rather shocked with Kingpin crushes that guys head in the car door and thinking, "yeah, this show isn't OK for kids to watch".I just started re-watching this last weekend with my 12 year old who is a big marvel fan but had not seen it. I forgot how violent it was. Still, at 12, I think he can handle it. We are about halfway through season 1. I had totally forgotten about the Hawkeye connection so we were both
Hawks64
Footballguy
Not sure about that, the actors and their characters will likely be in the MCU going forward but their origins and backstories in the series aren't canon for MCU and won't be carried over.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Lighten up, Francis.
As long as its Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio playing the roles, it is the same character no matter what they choose to reference.
Hawks64
Footballguy
Makes no sense to me to re-watch a show where nothing from it plays any part in the MCU going forward. Nothing in their interactions or their story will be carried forward. The issues with Froggy or Karen or literally anything will be carried forward.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I get what you are saying.
I'm just excited about the characters again....don't feel like I need to gain any knowledge or backstory or anything....just a celebration that they are finally acknowledging the Netflix Marvel world in the MCU.
Hawks64
Footballguy
Agree on that 100%! Charlie Cox, Vincent D'Onofrio and Jon Bernthal are perfectly cast. Krysten Ritter is an ok casting.
pantherclub
Footballguy
karen is so hotHawks64 said:
kupcho1
Footballguy
Being entertained down?
Whether or not something is "MCU going forward" seems ridiculous to me. The source material "retconned" stuff all the time. If you came to a comic series late to the party, would you ignore the earlier issues?
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
'Daredevil: Born Again' won't be the Netflix follow-up fans wanted, Charlie Cox confirms
The upcoming Disney+ series will forge its own path rather than picking up old plot points.
www.inverse.com
Following his appearance at Marvel Studios’ D23 presentation, Charlie Cox spoke about Daredevil: Born Again with several outlets. While Cox was quick to note that he hasn’t yet read any of the scripts for the 18-episode Disney+ series, he did tell Extra that he doesn’t expect Born Again to be a straightforward continuation of his Netflix show.
“My feeling is, based on the title, Born Again, I think that the sense is it’s gonna be a new beginning, it’s going to be different. It’s going to be tonally different,” Cox said. “It’s going to be new stories, and new ideas.” The actor also said, “Like Kevin [Feige] said, it’s a Season 1, it’s not Season 4, so it’s a whole new thing. Which is, I think, the right way to go. If you are going to do it again, let’s do it differently.”
SWC
Bromigo
i hope that the daredeviler comes back and that he has a sidekick who is better than foggy and i for one hope that sidekick is none other than moana it makes sense because they are both disney and no one can fight a ninja like moana so bam sorry about the spoiler but that is probably how it will go down take that to the bank bromigos
Hawks64
Footballguy
I thought they have all been good to excellent so far, the fact that its the original actors I have faith they will knock it out of the park again. Don't forget, based on reviews, most only loved DD and Punisher. JJ, Luke Cage were meh for a lot of folks, and most downright hated Iron Fist. Defenders was somewhere between watchable and meh for most all.I personally loved all but Iron Fist, thought it was ok.
To each their own, which is why I said IMO. I’ve only thought Loki and WandaVision were really good myself. I enjoyed Hawkeye. The rest have been meh to outright bad (FatWS was downright terrible, once again, IMO.) And WV was kind of completely rendered pointless by MoM. The D+ Star Wars shows have been equally disappointing as well other than parts of Mando. If I wasn’t getting D+ for free I’d probably have cancelled it by now (I don’t have kids.)
I personally loved all but Iron Fist, thought it was ok.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What do you mean - MoM was directly tied to Wanda Vision?
A common complaint about Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is that it completely undercuts Wanda’s arc in WandaVision, and the entirety of the Disney+ show. Not everyone agrees with that I know, but I definitely felt that way when I saw Multiverse of Madness. And that’s with the comic knowledge that the Darkhold corrupts everyone who reads it. My wife for example was totally confused on why Wanda was now bad, and while she has no comic knowledge, she did watch AofS season 4 which featured the Darkhold and had to remind her about those episodes and how it corrupts everyone who reads it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And they showed her further messing with it at the very end of WV. I kind of liked the twist of her as the villain.
Hastur
Footballguy
New season drops March 4th. Looking forward to seeing this.
Vincent D'Onofrio has had a long and distinguished career. Everything from Full Metal Jacket to Men in Black to Law & Order. Worthy of the Hollywood version of the Hall of Fame. However, he was BORN to play the Kingpin! Such depth. It is a masterclass in acting. I think my man crush on him surpasses my man crush on Tom Harding lol
Vincent D'Onofrio has had a long and distinguished career. Everything from Full Metal Jacket to Men in Black to Law & Order. Worthy of the Hollywood version of the Hall of Fame. However, he was BORN to play the Kingpin! Such depth. It is a masterclass in acting. I think my man crush on him surpasses my man crush on Tom Harding lol
B Maverick
Footballguy
For sure.
I put this in the MCU thread:
AND I AM SO 
THEY KILLED FOGGY AND MOVED KAREN TO SF!!!!!! 
HOPEFULLY WE SEE MORE OF KAREN THOUGH
THEY KILLED FOGGY AND MOVED KAREN TO SF!!!!!! HOPEFULLY WE SEE MORE OF KAREN THOUGH
Jayrod
Footballguy
Word is, the show does not do what you want in your last line.For sure.
I put this in the MCU thread:
AND I AM SO
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
Word is, the show does not do what you want in your last line.For sure.
I put this in the MCU thread:
AND I AM SO
From my understanding, Foggy and Karen were late additions as part of rewrites that happened, I'm willing to bet what we saw int he beginning of Ep1 was the reshoots and they didn't have time to include her in the larger story. Look for her in part 2.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Word is, the show does not do what you want in your last line.For sure.
I put this in the MCU thread:
AND I AM SOFrom my understanding, Foggy and Karen were late additions as part of rewrites that happened, I'm willing to bet what we saw int he beginning of Ep1 was the reshoots and they didn't have time to include her in the larger story. Look for her in part 2.
Correct. Feige didn't like how the original story was going after 3 eps and fired everyone, redoing everything. Didn't sound like it was a reshoot as much as a complete start over. But I don't know. I hope she comes back for S2.
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
Yeah this show rocks. First two episodes knocked it out of the park.
That ending of Ep2...
That ending of Ep2...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I've liked both episodes but there's been very little Daredevil in Daredevil so far.Yeah this show rocks. First two episodes knocked it out of the park.
That ending of Ep2...
The diner scene dialogue was incredible, and the story is being set up well so I'm not really complaining.
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
I look at these episodes as a big set up with a payoff at the end of ep2.I've liked both episodes but there's been very little Daredevil in Daredevil so far.Yeah this show rocks. First two episodes knocked it out of the park.
That ending of Ep2...
The diner scene dialogue was incredible, and the story is being set up well so I'm not really complaining.
Ep1 we got 10 minutes of Daredevil, then the remaining episode and first 40 minutes of ep2 was Matt being a lawyer and resisting temptation with the culmination of ep2 being his realization the city needs daredevil and as much as he'd like to solve problems as Matt, it won't work and if he doesn't act people will get hurt.
I fully expect ep3 onward to have a very different ratio of Matt vs DD
Hastur
Footballguy
No need to read this, I just feel like ranting.
In the comics, Daredevil and Spiderman work together often, sometimes even being referred to as good friends. I want this in the movies. It would be epic.
Before any of you put a dunce cap on me and send me to stand in the corner, know I am aware of these two things:
a.) Sony owns Spiderman, and will not allow Spiderman to appear in Daredevil without SIGNIFICANT financial compensation.
b.) Matt Murdock has appeared in a Spiderman movie as a lawyer to council Petey and his Aunt regarding a legal problem.
I just wish they could get above their greed and egos to make this happen.
In the comics, Daredevil and Spiderman work together often, sometimes even being referred to as good friends. I want this in the movies. It would be epic.
Before any of you put a dunce cap on me and send me to stand in the corner, know I am aware of these two things:
a.) Sony owns Spiderman, and will not allow Spiderman to appear in Daredevil without SIGNIFICANT financial compensation.
b.) Matt Murdock has appeared in a Spiderman movie as a lawyer to council Petey and his Aunt regarding a legal problem.
I just wish they could get above their greed and egos to make this happen.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
It better, or Disney is about to make the same mistake Netflix made with Daredevil. Unfortunately it would be the same mistake Disney has made with LOTS of other marvel TV projects, which is to go cheap on the superhero stuff. It would be a shame, too, because DD is one of the properties where they can actually get away with a lot lower special effects budget than, say, avengers or even Spider-Man. As mentioned in the MCU thread, too bad they didn't realize this and put a Black Widow series together, which would have been awesome.I look at these episodes as a big set up with a payoff at the end of ep2.I've liked both episodes but there's been very little Daredevil in Daredevil so far.Yeah this show rocks. First two episodes knocked it out of the park.
That ending of Ep2...
The diner scene dialogue was incredible, and the story is being set up well so I'm not really complaining.
Ep1 we got 10 minutes of Daredevil, then the remaining episode and first 40 minutes of ep2 was Matt being a lawyer and resisting temptation with the culmination of ep2 being his realization the city needs daredevil and as much as he'd like to solve problems as Matt, it won't work and if he doesn't act people will get hurt.
I fully expect ep3 onward to have a very different ratio of Matt vs DD
Dr. Manhattan
Footballguy
I think another Bucky series would be great in that vein.It better, or Disney is about to make the same mistake Netflix made with Daredevil. Unfortunately it would be the same mistake Disney has made with LOTS of other marvel TV projects, which is to go cheap on the superhero stuff. It would be a shame, too, because DD is one of the properties where they can actually get away with a lot lower special effects budget than, say, avengers or even Spider-Man. As mentioned in the MCU thread, too bad they didn't realize this and put a Black Widow series together, which would have been awesome.I look at these episodes as a big set up with a payoff at the end of ep2.I've liked both episodes but there's been very little Daredevil in Daredevil so far.Yeah this show rocks. First two episodes knocked it out of the park.
That ending of Ep2...
The diner scene dialogue was incredible, and the story is being set up well so I'm not really complaining.
Ep1 we got 10 minutes of Daredevil, then the remaining episode and first 40 minutes of ep2 was Matt being a lawyer and resisting temptation with the culmination of ep2 being his realization the city needs daredevil and as much as he'd like to solve problems as Matt, it won't work and if he doesn't act people will get hurt.
I fully expect ep3 onward to have a very different ratio of Matt vs DD
I have confidence they’ll keep daredevil daredevil. The hype around this show repeatedly said it was going to be brutally violent and so far I can see that continuing
B Maverick
Footballguy
I see a mix between "its great and the best MCU show yet" and "Disney ruined Daredevil". Doesn't seem to be any in between, love or hate...
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I'm in the its very good camp. Not the best MCU show (not even the best Daredevil at this point). Far from "Disney ruined Daredevil".
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I guess in the original series we didn’t even get the Daredevil costume until the last episode of the season - so this isn’t uncharted territory.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Sure, hard to top the original, but if it gets close to any of the first three seasons I will be happy.
Which D+ do you rate higher?
A lot online mostly. Could be just trolling but it does seem to be split via love/hate, not much in between.
Well technically he wasn't in the suit until the end of S1, but he was at least running around in his black mask being DD. Aside from the opening seen he hasn't even been doing that.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I really loved the concept and execution of WandaVision and Loki. I agree, if this one can exceed Season 2 and get close to Season 3 of DD, I'll be very happy.
I did like the Hawkeye series as well, and What If has been entertaining, but I think this Daredevil has the potential to easily beat those. Not sure if it can top WV and Loki for me though.
Most of the other D+ series have been "pretty good to ok". Falcon and Winter Solider was pretty good. I'm in the small camp that thought SheHulk wasn't as bad as others, putting it in the "ok" camp. MoonKnight was "ok" but really ranked as a disappointment for me as I had high hopes.
I didn't like Echo, and I was massively disappointed in Secret Invasion. For some reason, I've only seen 2 episodes each of Agatha and Ms. Marvel, though I've heard both are good. I just didn't captured by the first few, which is really shocking on Agatha because I loved the character in WandaVision.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Thanks. I am with you on these actually. Although MoonKnight and Secret Invasion are on my worst list and I really liked Agatha.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I need to get into Agatha, most everyone says it is good and I don't know what I was expecting but I just didn't get hooked immediately. I may have been in a weird mood
B Maverick
Footballguy
Sometimes a character is better as the nosey neighbor than the lead. And It does start off in a weird offshoot of WV kind of way. But does get to be a fun ride once they get into the adventure with some actual good twists and turns.I need to get into Agatha, most everyone says it is good and I don't know what I was expecting but I just didn't get hooked immediately. I may have been in a weird mood
IMO worth another look, but if it doesn't grab you what can you do?
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Another good episode. Watch the credits, a callback to the show. I should say, listen to the credits.
Agatha is very different than WandaVision and takes a little while to get going, but it is worth it.
My ranking of Disney+ and Netflix Marvel shows (not network shows like Agents of Shield):
1) WandaVision
2) Daredevil
3) Loki
4) Agatha All Along
5) Hawkeye
6) Punisher
7) Jessica Jones
8) She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
9) What If?
10) Ms. Marvel
11) The Defenders
12) Echo
13) Secret Invasion
14) Moon Knight
15) Falcon and the Winter Soldier
16) Luke Cage
17) Iron Fist
My ranking of Disney+ and Netflix Marvel shows (not network shows like Agents of Shield):
1) WandaVision
2) Daredevil
3) Loki
4) Agatha All Along
5) Hawkeye
6) Punisher
7) Jessica Jones
8) She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
9) What If?
10) Ms. Marvel
11) The Defenders
12) Echo
13) Secret Invasion
14) Moon Knight
15) Falcon and the Winter Soldier
16) Luke Cage
17) Iron Fist
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Here we go again. Another superhero show with 3 episodes in and about 5 minutes of actual, well, super-hero'ing.
Disney: we don't want just another courtroom procedural. Even though the characters are compelling, they have to be super-powered and we need to see them doing super-powered stuff or this will fizzle. Sure it will attract some die-hards but it looks like you're still just trying to do a super hero show on the cheap (aka cash in).
Disney: we don't want just another courtroom procedural. Even though the characters are compelling, they have to be super-powered and we need to see them doing super-powered stuff or this will fizzle. Sure it will attract some die-hards but it looks like you're still just trying to do a super hero show on the cheap (aka cash in).
B Maverick
Footballguy
Yeah I noticed that as well. Thought they were reworking for more DD and less Murdock but guess not. I am hoping it pays off though with the way this ep ended and what should be coming...
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
I know when I was a kid I couldn't wait for that day every month when I could finally catch up on Matt Murdock's latest compelling courtroom drama. It was second only to all those edge-of-my-seat moments that Peter Parker spent in study hall, homeroom, and don't forget the cafeteria at lunchtime! It's that kind of deep storytelling that made Marvel the juggernaut that it is today.
B Maverick
Footballguy
He is a really good lawyer
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Put another way: if THIS is what Stan Lee's legions of fans wanted all those years, they could have put out the NetFlix (and now Disney) Marvel shows in the 80s and done just fine. There's a reason Marvel is hot now and is slipping away from Disney's grasp, and it ain't because we're in the "golden age of television".
Hint: special effects play a role.
Hint: special effects play a role.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Daredevil does it again to me....
I didn't have Netflix and then there was that free period. I started watching Daredevil and then I was hooked. I have had Netflix since.
I been very close to canceling Disney + as they have been producing crap upon crap upon crap recently. Just as I was about to pull the trigger.... Daredevil comes out. DANG, this is even better than the first run. Hooked again and Disney + is saved.
I didn't have Netflix and then there was that free period. I started watching Daredevil and then I was hooked. I have had Netflix since.
I been very close to canceling Disney + as they have been producing crap upon crap upon crap recently. Just as I was about to pull the trigger.... Daredevil comes out. DANG, this is even better than the first run. Hooked again and Disney + is saved.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’m pretty sure Daredevil comes out of retirement now.
I get the frustration of very little Daredevil in Daredevil but I believe there are 13 episodes and we’ve only seen 3 so far which have set up the overarching storyline.
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