***OFFICIAL*** Miami Dolphins 2010-11 Thread (1 Viewer)

[Horses Mouth]

This past year we saw the emergence of Henne, the loss of Ronnie Brown, the return of seemingly ageless Ricky Williams, the stone hands of Ginn, and the coming of age for several young DEF guys. What are your offseason predictions moving forward? What position do we draft?

 

[zamboni]

Sparano really seemed to take a shining to Hilliard down the stretch.

What are the homers' thoughts on whether he gets a much more prominent role with Ricky seeming to wear down (and retiring after next year)? Does Hilliard's mini-emergence impact their plans on having Brown return?

 

[=Smackdown=]

Sparano really seemed to take a shining to Hilliard down the stretch.What are the homers' thoughts on whether he gets a much more prominent role with Ricky seeming to wear down (and retiring after next year)? Does Hilliard's mini-emergence impact their plans on having Brown return?

I don't see Hilliard passing Cobbs on the depth charts next year. When they lost Cobbs their running game & Wildcat took a hit. RB is one of the few position I think the Dolphins are set at . . Ronnie Brown wil be back next year with no CBA.Ricky has one more year leftCobbs wil be back from injuryPolite is the battering ramAnd Sheets is there too.Maybe Hilliard get a more prominant role in 2011 if Ricky retires and Ronnie Brown goes elsewhere.

 

[zamboni]

Sparano really seemed to take a shining to Hilliard down the stretch.What are the homers' thoughts on whether he gets a much more prominent role with Ricky seeming to wear down (and retiring after next year)? Does Hilliard's mini-emergence impact their plans on having Brown return?

I don't see Hilliard passing Cobbs on the depth charts next year. When they lost Cobbs their running game & Wildcat took a hit. RB is one of the few position I think the Dolphins are set at . . Ronnie Brown wil be back next year with no CBA.Ricky has one more year leftCobbs wil be back from injuryPolite is the battering ramAnd Sheets is there too.Maybe Hilliard get a more prominant role in 2011 if Ricky retires and Ronnie Brown goes elsewhere.

Good insight - thanks.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Give me a veteran WR. Boldin tops the list, but Marshall is an option, as is Antonio Bryant or even Malcolm Floyd. All would be an improvement over what we have now. I know Parcells has a bad history with Bryant, so he is unlikely, and Marshall is not the kind of player that we are likely to bring in...but we need something unless we can draft Dez Bryant at 12.

We also need to replace Gibril Wilson at safety. Huge disappointment. NT and LB are also needs, but I dont think they are as glaring as WR and S.

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Give me a veteran WR. Boldin tops the list, but Marshall is an option, as is Antonio Bryant or even Malcolm Floyd. All would be an improvement over what we have now. I know Parcells has a bad history with Bryant, so he is unlikely, and Marshall is not the kind of player that we are likely to bring in...but we need something unless we can draft Dez Bryant at 12.We also need to replace Gibril Wilson at safety. Huge disappointment. NT and LB are also needs, but I dont think they are as glaring as WR and S.

I agree. I truly liked what I saw out of Henne down the stretch. He performed wonderfully considering he didn't really have a playmaker WR. Imagine what he would do with Boldin or Marshall. The question is, will Parcells & Co. be willing to go after these types of players that will command a hefty salary and involve giving up picks (in Marshall's case). I just don't think we should rely on drafting our star WR (ie, D. Bryant). If we can draft a good one and pick up a top flight free agent, that would be the best case scenario. If we pick up a FA receiver that would allow us to use the #12 pick to grab a DB or DL.

 

[Big B]

I highly doubt that a WR will be taken in the first round. The stable of WR's we have right now are sufficient enough for another year due to the glaring needs we have on defense. Grabbing a LB or a DE (Porter and Taylor likely gone) are priorities based on the breakdown our D has displayed in the second half of most of the games. I am not saying that we do no need a WR, I am just of the opinion that defense is a more glaring need at this time and the WR's we do have are "workable" for another year

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think WR and S are the biggest needs by far.

Early in the year we lost several games because receivers couldn't make catches in the 2-minute drill. Bess, Hartline, and Camarillo are good role players, but we really need a go-to guy that they can supplement. Ginn should be on the bench when the offense is on the field.

On defense, I'm not sure that we gave up a big play all year long that didn't involve Gibril Wilson doing something wrong. If he's not replaced this offseason I'm going to go nuts.

Unfortunately it looks like right now our draft spot doesn't really mesh with our needs. At the 12 spot Dez Bryant will likely be gone and there's not really another receiver that should be taken that early. Eric Berry will also be long gone and Taylor Mays is unlikely to still be on the board, leaving us in limbo as far as safeties go as well.

 

[Native]

Three of our four starting LB's are 30+ and the fourth (Crowder) went down with a serious season ending injury. Id argue that LB needs to be our top focus on defense this year. Rolando McClain is the guy Id be targetting if hes still on the board.

On offense, we need a big, fast WR like Dez Byrant. He should be there at 12. If only Parcells would draft a receiver this early....

What Free Agents are available this offseason?

 

[mchaps55]

Three of our four starting LB's are 30+ and the fourth (Crowder) went down with a serious season ending injury. Id argue that LB needs to be our top focus on defense this year. Rolando McClain is the guy Id be targetting if hes still on the board.On offense, we need a big, fast WR like Dez Byrant. He should be there at 12. If only Parcells would draft a receiver this early....What Free Agents are available this offseason?

Byrant won't be there at 12................

 

[ChuckLiddell]

There is some talk about Antonio Bryant over in the Parcells thread. Some speculation that the rift between them has been talked through to some extent, and that maybe that door is not closed completely.

If thats true, I think I would rather have Bryant as a free agent then Boldin for a 1st and 3rd round pick (which I suspect will be the price). All else being equal, give me Boldin all day, but I think I would prefer to keep the picks, fill other needs at safety and LB, and sign Bryant for no picks. He had an off year this season, but that can be attributed to a nagging knee injury and extremely inconsistent QB play. With Garcia last year he was great - and I think Henne is a potentially much better QB than the 2008 version of Jeff Garcia. Assuming his knee is OK, I think he is at the top of my wish list.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

List of needs...

NT

OLB

ILB...Dansby, check!

Safety

WR...Boldin went for a 3rd and a 4th, bummmer we didn't try and get him.

Unfortunately free agency is pretty short in supply of anything we really need.

 

[Native]

MOP -

Could be some Free Agent NT's available if they pass physicals - Jamal Williams, Maake Kemoeatu, etc. That would enable us to spend our first three picks on some combination of WR, OLB or Safety (how about 1. WR Dez Bryant, 2. OLB Jerry Hughes, 3. FS Major Wright?).

I say this because at LB, while there is still some solid veteran depth available (Will Witherspoon, Antonio Pierce), there is noone with long term starter potential. Likewise, I dont see any safeties or WR's that can come in and contribute. The wildcard IMO is to bring back Chris Chambers who looked great as a Chief late in the year. I personally still believe in him but I know most other Dolphin fans have lost hope in the guy. In anycase, its a moot point as I think he will be pretty selective where he ends up (starting opportunity, established QB that can throw down the field, etc).

 

[smashingsilver]

Could be some Free Agent NT's available if they pass physicals - Jamal Williams, Maake Kemoeatu, etc. That would enable us to spend our first three picks on some combination of WR, OLB or Safety (how about 1. WR Dez Bryant, 2. OLB Jerry Hughes, 3. FS Major Wright?).

I really like this idea. You need a rotation at tackle anyways, so getting one of these guys and encouraging Ferguson to come back for one more year would help us to focus on the other needs. I find it hard to believe that Miami would take Bryant with their first even if he were available at #12. A lot of mocks have them taking Kindle, and I really can't argue with that reasoning. It's a huge need and the boy has talent. Then maybe they go for a 2nd tier WR in round 2 (Demaryius Thomas, maybe? great run blocking skills). Wright in the 3rd would be sweet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

MOP - Could be some Free Agent NT's available if they pass physicals - Jamal Williams, Maake Kemoeatu, etc. That would enable us to spend our first three picks on some combination of WR, OLB or Safety (how about 1. WR Dez Bryant, 2. OLB Jerry Hughes, 3. FS Major Wright?).I say this because at LB, while there is still some solid veteran depth available (Will Witherspoon, Antonio Pierce), there is noone with long term starter potential. Likewise, I dont see any safeties or WR's that can come in and contribute. The wildcard IMO is to bring back Chris Chambers who looked great as a Chief late in the year. I personally still believe in him but I know most other Dolphin fans have lost hope in the guy. In anycase, its a moot point as I think he will be pretty selective where he ends up (starting opportunity, established QB that can throw down the field, etc).

Coles might not be the answer but he has been a WR1 for NY and Washington, would like to see them sign him. even if he is only a WR2, he is better than what we ahve right now. COles has had a rough couple of years but last season I don't think the system was good for him. Cinci became a power running team and he wasn't given a lot of looks, plus he played better towards the end of the year. Antonio Bryant is out there but he and Parcells don't seem to get along. Would like to see Miami address the WR situation somehow because the draft has some really good players that might not seem to be apparent needs and I'll give you some examples. Miami has their OT situation as well as Center pretty much locked down. I would not mind if Parcells made Lupati our 1st round pick. Imagine him lining up between Jake Long and Jake Grove at LG...holy slobberknocker would that be an OL from hell. Guys that are starting to make my short list in the draft include Jerry Hughes, Jason Pierre Paul(OLB switch), and Taylor Mays, those guys fill obvious needs.

 

[thekidd2009]

MOP -

Could be some Free Agent NT's available if they pass physicals - Jamal Williams, Maake Kemoeatu, etc. That would enable us to spend our first three picks on some combination of WR, OLB or Safety (how about 1. WR Dez Bryant, 2. OLB Jerry Hughes, 3. FS Major Wright?).

I say this because at LB, while there is still some solid veteran depth available (Will Witherspoon, Antonio Pierce), there is noone with long term starter potential. Likewise, I dont see any safeties or WR's that can come in and contribute. The wildcard IMO is to bring back Chris Chambers who looked great as a Chief late in the year. I personally still believe in him but I know most other Dolphin fans have lost hope in the guy. In anycase, its a moot point as I think he will be pretty selective where he ends up (starting opportunity, established QB that can throw down the field, etc).

Coles might not be the answer but he has been a WR1 for NY and Washington, would like to see them sign him. even if he is only a WR2, he is better than what we ahve right now. COles has had a rough couple of years but last season I don't think the system was good for him. Cinci became a power running team and he wasn't given a lot of looks, plus he played better towards the end of the year. Antonio Bryant is out there but he and Parcells don't seem to get along. Would like to see Miami address the WR situation somehow because the draft has some really good players that might not seem to be apparent needs and I'll give you some examples.

Miami has their OT situation as well as Center pretty much locked down. I would not mind if Parcells made Lupati our 1st round pick. Imagine him lining up between Jake Long and Jake Grove at LG...holy slobberknocker would that be an OL from hell.

Guys that are starting to make my short list in the draft include Jerry Hughes, Jason Pierre Paul(OLB switch), and Taylor Mays, those guys fill obvious needs.

Sorry but I can't agree with you on Mays. The guy is terrible in coverage and should be moved to linebacker. If the dolphins want to go with a safety, I would rather see them grab Earl Thomas.

 

[=Smackdown=]

What they've done so far . . .

ILB - Dansby

FS - Looks like they're siging Ryan Clark today - Gibril Wilson was just waived to make room for him. That puts the Earl Thomas pick in question.

NT Jason Ferguson was just suspended for 8 games in 2010 - 2nd violation. Some say he might retire.

Miami now has glaring holes at NT and OLB.

So who do they take at 12?

Might be too early for the NT's - D Williams or T Cody.

OLB Brandon Graham fits a huge need.

 

[Liquid Tension]

What they've done so far . . .ILB - DansbyFS - Looks like they're siging Ryan Clark today - Gibril Wilson was just waived to make room for him. That puts the Earl Thomas pick in question.NT Jason Ferguson was just suspended for 8 games in 2010 - 2nd violation. Some say he might retire.Miami now has glaring holes at NT and OLB.So who do they take at 12?Might be too early for the NT's - D Williams or T Cody.OLB Brandon Graham fits a huge need.

Jamal Williams should be getting a call. I am in the group of 1 person who thinks Ted Ginn has some value on offense (not just on special teams). he was clearly a bust at the pick he had, but guys who can stretch the field have value. Devery Henderson does not have Ginn's speed and Ginn's hands were never really a problem for him in the past. Devery has been better of late (now with a good QB) and Ginn had Pennington who could not hit him deep when he was opened. I think he can be effective as a guy to stretch the field once in awhile, a guy who can run a comeback route and a guy who will play special teams. He is not that expensive now and I think used correctly could be have value.The other WR's are all possession guys, but are pretty good possession guys. That being said if the Dolphins are looking at a WR, I would much rather give the money and the draft pick for Brandon Marshall than drafting Dez Bryant and giving the same amount

 

[Todem]

I have a strong feeling Derrick Mason will find his way down to South Florida and be this off-seasons veteran WR catch.

Solid guy, great work ethic, get's open and has great hands (but is as old as dirt). We will also adress the WR position again in the draft.

I am bummed with let Boldin slip away yet again. But word from insiders is we did not want to sign him for the length of contract the Ravens gav him.

All I know is this......I would give our 12th overall all day for the potential headache of Brandon Marshall. But I know Parcells will shy away from him.

Lex Hilliard has a future on this team IMO. If Cobbs can recover then Hilliard might have to wait another year...but he has some really nice potential. He can catch and runs with power.

I can only hope we get a full 16 out of Ronnie Brown...and they also make a concerted effort to pass him the ball. We under utilized that aspect of his game badly last season. In fact it was a head scratcher for me every week. He has WR hands!!

 

[Liquid Tension]

I have a strong feeling Derrick Mason will find his way down to South Florida and be this off-seasons veteran WR catch.Solid guy, great work ethic, get's open and has great hands (but is as old as dirt). We will also adress the WR position again in the draft.I am bummed with let Boldin slip away yet again. But word from insiders is we did not want to sign him for the length of contract the Ravens gav him.All I know is this......I would give our 12th overall all day for the potential headache of Brandon Marshall. But I know Parcells will shy away from him.Lex Hilliard has a future on this team IMO. If Cobbs can recover then Hilliard might have to wait another year...but he has some really nice potential. He can catch and runs with power.I can only hope we get a full 16 out of Ronnie Brown...and they also make a concerted effort to pass him the ball. We under utilized that aspect of his game badly last season. In fact it was a head scratcher for me every week. He has WR hands!!

I don't see what D. Mason can bring to this team as they already have enough possession receivers? This team has little speed on offense and this is why Ginn has more value on the Dolphins than he would on a faster team.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have a strong feeling Derrick Mason will find his way down to South Florida and be this off-seasons veteran WR catch.Solid guy, great work ethic, get's open and has great hands (but is as old as dirt). We will also adress the WR position again in the draft.I am bummed with let Boldin slip away yet again. But word from insiders is we did not want to sign him for the length of contract the Ravens gav him.All I know is this......I would give our 12th overall all day for the potential headache of Brandon Marshall. But I know Parcells will shy away from him.Lex Hilliard has a future on this team IMO. If Cobbs can recover then Hilliard might have to wait another year...but he has some really nice potential. He can catch and runs with power.I can only hope we get a full 16 out of Ronnie Brown...and they also make a concerted effort to pass him the ball. We under utilized that aspect of his game badly last season. In fact it was a head scratcher for me every week. He has WR hands!!

I don't see what D. Mason can bring to this team as they already have enough possession receivers? This team has little speed on offense and this is why Ginn has more value on the Dolphins than he would on a faster team.

I wouldn't call Mason a possession guy in the sense he can get open down the field not just 10 yd curls. He has a 13.5 avg over the past 2 seasons, 12 TDs...no Miami WR had more than 3 TDs last year, outside of Hartline Miami WRs avg about 10-11 yds a catch, Mason is actually 2.5 ypc higher than that right now. But I would also add Miami needs a good young WR that they can develop with Henne.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What they've done so far . . .ILB - DansbyFS - Looks like they're siging Ryan Clark today - Gibril Wilson was just waived to make room for him. That puts the Earl Thomas pick in question.NT Jason Ferguson was just suspended for 8 games in 2010 - 2nd violation. Some say he might retire.Miami now has glaring holes at NT and OLB.So who do they take at 12?Might be too early for the NT's - D Williams or T Cody.OLB Brandon Graham fits a huge need.

FYI...word is they are going to use Dansby to set the end in their 3-4, meaning he is going to be playing OLB, so I still see McClain as the guy they zero in on for the draft. Ryan Clark signing today will be a great move that will get little press form anyone. I think he will do really well, talk of Sean Smith going to Safety as well, but the Clark signing would make me think they will stick with himat CB in year 2. Bell, Davis, Clark, Smith, Allen, the DBs are a nice mix of youth and veteran leadership.

 

[=Smackdown=]

What they've done so far . . .

ILB - Dansby

FS - Looks like they're siging Ryan Clark today - Gibril Wilson was just waived to make room for him. That puts the Earl Thomas pick in question.

NT Jason Ferguson was just suspended for 8 games in 2010 - 2nd violation. Some say he might retire.

Miami now has glaring holes at NT and OLB.

So who do they take at 12?

Might be too early for the NT's - D Williams or T Cody.

OLB Brandon Graham fits a huge need.

FYI...word is they are going to use Dansby to set the end in their 3-4, meaning he is going to be playing OLB, so I still see McClain as the guy they zero in on for the draft. Ryan Clark signing today will be a great move that will get little press form anyone. I think he will do really well, talk of Sean Smith going to Safety as well, but the Clark signing would make me think they will stick with himat CB in year 2.

Bell, Davis, Clark, Smith, Allen, the DBs are a nice mix of youth and veteran leadership.

I can also see them moving Merling to OLB (from DE) if he got down to 275.

 

[Todem]

Mason would bring big time veteran leadership and a proven WR to this squad. He would be a huge help to the offense this upcoming season.

I do agree big time we still need to draft a potential young stud....so hopefully we find one in this years crop. Of course we could just get Marshall for a 12th overall if we made a great offer....seems like a no brainer (off-field issues aside) doesn't it?

 

[Dolfan]

Love for Miami to sign Jamal Williams and draft either Sergio Kindle or Jason Pierre-Paul in the 1st and Mardy Gilyard in the 2nd...

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Was really hoping to see Antonio Bryant come in for a visit. I love the idea of getting a WR1 without having to give up a pick. I know that his history is not great with Parcells, but I was hoping that was behind them. He is headed to Cinci tomorrow. Could end that hope, as they can really use him too.

I dont think we can continue to rely on having only posession WRs, and hoping Ted Ginn develops. Something has to happen at WR. Since I highly doubt we use our pick in the 1st on a WR, it looks like our options are down to Bryant or Marshall (which will cost us our 1st round pick) - or using a draft pick. We dont seem to be showing even a little interest in either of them so far.

Sure would be nice to address Safety (D.Clark), WR (Bryant), and one of the LB spots (Dansby - done) in FA, so that we can use our first couple picks to grab a NT and another LB.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Love for Miami to sign Jamal Williams and draft either Sergio Kindle or Jason Pierre-Paul in the 1st and Mardy Gilyard in the 2nd...

I didn't want to imagine it but it seems like Miami is going to run out of options. I won't be surprised if they make a move for Jamal Williams after he doesn't get a lot of offers. This is not Williams circa 2003-2007, and he is coming off a pretty severe injury. I guess it was a triceps injury as I am researching it now...he is two seasons removed form a Pro Bowl campaign but he is turning 34 in April. Also the Chargers are talking about brigning him back.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Was really hoping to see Antonio Bryant come in for a visit. I love the idea of getting a WR1 without having to give up a pick. I know that his history is not great with Parcells, but I was hoping that was behind them. He is headed to Cinci tomorrow. Could end that hope, as they can really use him too.

I dont think we can continue to rely on having only posession WRs, and hoping Ted Ginn develops. Something has to happen at WR. Since I highly doubt we use our pick in the 1st on a WR, it looks like our options are down to Bryant or Marshall (which will cost us our 1st round pick) - or using a draft pick. We dont seem to be showing even a little interest in either of them so far.

Sure would be nice to address Safety (D.Clark), WR (Bryant), and one of the LB spots (Dansby - done) in FA, so that we can use our first couple picks to grab a NT and another LB.

Teams can negotiate, not sure that a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year wouldn't get it done. I would much rather they do that, maybe even trade next year's #1 ultimately if they had to. But I feel they need to take another big defensive playmaker in the 1st round. Also if they were going offense, and as crazy as it may sound I like Lupati, the G form Idaho, he's a beast and maybe the best run blocking OL in the whole draft. Imagine that guy lined up next to Jake Long, or on the right side next to Vernon Carey...plow the field boys.

You could then bring in even a guy like LT and he would find holes to run through in that OL. I still lik the idea that Miami wants to pound the football, bit of a boring team thy have created but we really don't need a superstar at WR. I would just like to find a workman like guy who can get the job done...Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, those types of WRs, I know they are still very very good but I think that type of WR would be better in this scheme than a prima donna.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I have a strong feeling Derrick Mason will find his way down to South Florida and be this off-seasons veteran WR catch.Solid guy, great work ethic, get's open and has great hands (but is as old as dirt). We will also adress the WR position again in the draft.I am bummed with let Boldin slip away yet again. But word from insiders is we did not want to sign him for the length of contract the Ravens gav him.All I know is this......I would give our 12th overall all day for the potential headache of Brandon Marshall. But I know Parcells will shy away from him.Lex Hilliard has a future on this team IMO. If Cobbs can recover then Hilliard might have to wait another year...but he has some really nice potential. He can catch and runs with power.I can only hope we get a full 16 out of Ronnie Brown...and they also make a concerted effort to pass him the ball. We under utilized that aspect of his game badly last season. In fact it was a head scratcher for me every week. He has WR hands!!

I don't see what D. Mason can bring to this team as they already have enough possession receivers? This team has little speed on offense and this is why Ginn has more value on the Dolphins than he would on a faster team.

I wouldn't call Mason a possession guy in the sense he can get open down the field not just 10 yd curls. He has a 13.5 avg over the past 2 seasons, 12 TDs...no Miami WR had more than 3 TDs last year, outside of Hartline Miami WRs avg about 10-11 yds a catch, Mason is actually 2.5 ypc higher than that right now. But I would also add Miami needs a good young WR that they can develop with Henne.

Yeah, but he is still a possession receiver?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Was really hoping to see Antonio Bryant come in for a visit. I love the idea of getting a WR1 without having to give up a pick. I know that his history is not great with Parcells, but I was hoping that was behind them. He is headed to Cinci tomorrow. Could end that hope, as they can really use him too.

I dont think we can continue to rely on having only posession WRs, and hoping Ted Ginn develops. Something has to happen at WR. Since I highly doubt we use our pick in the 1st on a WR, it looks like our options are down to Bryant or Marshall (which will cost us our 1st round pick) - or using a draft pick. We dont seem to be showing even a little interest in either of them so far.

Sure would be nice to address Safety (D.Clark), WR (Bryant), and one of the LB spots (Dansby - done) in FA, so that we can use our first couple picks to grab a NT and another LB.

Teams can negotiate, not sure that a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year wouldn't get it done. I would much rather they do that, maybe even trade next year's #1 ultimately if they had to. But I feel they need to take another big defensive playmaker in the 1st round. Also if they were going offense, and as crazy as it may sound I like Lupati, the G form Idaho, he's a beast and maybe the best run blocking OL in the whole draft. Imagine that guy lined up next to Jake Long, or on the right side next to Vernon Carey...plow the field boys.

You could then bring in even a guy like LT and he would find holes to run through in that OL. I still lik the idea that Miami wants to pound the football, bit of a boring team thy have created but we really don't need a superstar at WR. I would just like to find a workman like guy who can get the job done...Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, those types of WRs, I know they are still very very good but I think that type of WR would be better in this scheme than a prima donna.

I would much rather give up a 1st round then 2 2nd rounders. The 2 2nd rounders will cost less and you could sign another guyAs for the draft, I would not have any problem drafting McClain even after the Dansby signing.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Kind of bummed that we did not make a serious run at Antonio Bryant. We have a ton of holes left to fill, and really only addressed one of them in free agency (so far). There are no WR1s available as free agents anymore, unless you count T.O., which is very debatable. I dont think there is any real chance that we trade for Marshall, and I am fine with that. Bryant seemed like a good fit, and with no draft pick compensation. Its a shame. It was very deflating to see that Cinci signed him without him ever even making a visit to Miami. Hopefully our boys know what they are doing. The lack of any effort to get a true WR1 with Boldin available for a 3 and 4, and Bryant available for no picks is a head-scratcher for me. They cannot think that they are set at WR, and using the 12th pick on Dez is unlikely, and if it happens, just takes away the OLB or NT that we should be taking at that spot.

The rebuild appears as though it will have to continue IMO. We dont have enough picks to fill all the holes that we have in this draft. I think getting a free agent WR1 was vital. We had every opportunity.

I still defer to Parcells/Ireland as studs in their positions, but after Pat White and Pat Turner, I think the luster is starting to wear off - and another mediocre season will definitely bring on some heat.

 

[Mike63]

I still defer to Parcells/Ireland as studs in their positions, but after Pat White and Pat Turner, I think the luster is starting to wear off - and another mediocre season will definitely bring on some heat.

Bryant has a negative history with Tuna, plus next season we won't be a contender (Henne will be only in year 2 as a starter) and I guess Parcells is trying to build a group of players that will last several seasons. We have to be patient, if this offseason will be filled OLB and NT holes the job is done in my opinion.Next offseason we'll add a WR and possibly a RB and maybe we'll be a contender

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I still defer to Parcells/Ireland as studs in their positions, but after Pat White and Pat Turner, I think the luster is starting to wear off - and another mediocre season will definitely bring on some heat.

Bryant has a negative history with Tuna, plus next season we won't be a contender (Henne will be only in year 2 as a starter) and I guess Parcells is trying to build a group of players that will last several seasons. We have to be patient, if this offseason will be filled OLB and NT holes the job is done in my opinion.Next offseason we'll add a WR and possibly a RB and maybe we'll be a contender

I guess the negative history was not "behind them" as had been said by both parties. Bryant specifically said he wanted to be in Miami, so clearly he was not holding a grudge. If we are not willing to talk to guys with attitude issues, we are going to severely limit our options. Bryant may not be a saint, but he is not a convicted criminal/wife beater/drug user. He is probably not a guy I would want my daughter to marry, and I am sure that he could use an attitude adjustment - but so could a large portion of the players in the 2010 NFL. Thats the NFL. Give a 22 year old from a rough upbringing $10 million, and the lack of maturity will usually shine through. I think we should have at least spoken to him first, but again, I defer to Parcells/Ireland...for now.

 

[=Smackdown=]

4 years 28 million for Antonio Bryant. Antonio Bryant?!? No thanks.

I also doubt they pick Dez Bryant at #12. I can see them drafting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd rd again like last year - hopefully they'll have better success than another Patrick Turner. Dunno? Maybe bring in T.O. on a year contract?

Saw that they resigned NT Jason Ferguson - eventhough he'll be suspended the 1st 8 games. I guess Solai will have to do the 1st half of the season.

IMO OLB & FS are much bigger holes right now

 

[ChuckLiddell]

4 years 28 million for Antonio Bryant. Antonio Bryant?!? No thanks. I also doubt they pick Dez Bryant at #12. I can see them drafting a WR in the 2nd or 3rd rd again like last year - hopefully they'll have better success than another Patrick Turner. Dunno? Maybe bring in T.O. on a year contract?Saw that they resigned NT Jason Ferguson - eventhough he'll be suspended the 1st 8 games. I guess Solai will have to do the 1st half of the season.IMO OLB & FS are much bigger holes right now

I dont think that contract is that outrageous for a WR1 personally. Bryant is a talented WR. He immediately makes Cinci and Palmer better - as he would have done to Miami and Henne IMO.Ferguson is 36 and coming off injury and a PED suspension. Soliai is a solid backup, but in a 3-4 D, you need a monster at NT. I dont think Soliai is viable in that role, and a 36 year old NT giving us only 8 games tops does not excite me. NT is a hole - a big hole. Just as big as Safety, WR, and OLB IMO. A solid NT makes the S and OLB better in our defense. It would have been nice to lock up a WR1 for the next 4 years. Bryant turned 29 yesterday. He has 3-4 really good seasons left. T.O. has 1-2 mediocre seasons left, and I dont see Parcells bringing in "the player" anyway. I see us lining up Brian Hartline and Devonne Bess as our starting WR this year, and that just wont do it.I want to believe, and I am trying to believe...but I just dont.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm pretty disappointed that we didn't end up with Bryant or Jamaal Williams, but I guess that's the way it goes. If we go into next season with the same WR corps as last year, I might end up putting a hole through my TV at some point during the season. And adding a longshot prospect in the 3rd round isn't going to cut it.

We have a ton of holes left to fill, and really only addressed one of them in free agency (so far).

To be fair, Gibril Wilson was a huge hole, and we filled that as well.

Bryant has a negative history with Tuna, plus next season we won't be a contender (Henne will be only in year 2 as a starter)

That's a poor approach to take in the NFL, where teams go from worst to first seemingly overnight, and where teams with young QBs are making it deep into the playoffs every year. Henne is entering his 3rd year and is much more experienced than Roethlisberger was when they won their first super bowl, or than Flacco when they went to the AFC championship game, or than Sanchez when they went there, etc.That's not to mention that this is a team that narrowly missed the playoffs last year in spite of some major holes, in spite of some big injuries, and in spite of giving away a few games early on before Henne stepped in.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I'm pretty disappointed that we didn't end up with Bryant or Jamaal Williams, but I guess that's the way it goes. If we go into next season with the same WR corps as last year, I might end up putting a hole through my TV at some point during the season. And adding a longshot prospect in the 3rd round isn't going to cut it.

We have a ton of holes left to fill, and really only addressed one of them in free agency (so far).

To be fair, Gibril Wilson was a huge hole, and we filled that as well.

Bryant has a negative history with Tuna, plus next season we won't be a contender (Henne will be only in year 2 as a starter)

That's a poor approach to take in the NFL, where teams go from worst to first seemingly overnight, and where teams with young QBs are making it deep into the playoffs every year. Henne is entering his 3rd year and is much more experienced than Roethlisberger was when they won their first super bowl, or than Flacco when they went to the AFC championship game, or than Sanchez when they went there, etc.

That's not to mention that this is a team that narrowly missed the playoffs last year in spite of some major holes, in spite of some big injuries, and in spite of giving away a few games early on before Henne stepped in.

I completely agree. I dont want credit for that quote in any way - that was not me. I am on the other side of the fence. I felt that if we had signed a WR1 and Dansby, then used our first few picks successfully on a NT, S, and OLB that we would have had a serious chance to contend this season at least for the AFC East crown. Henne is in year 3, and with a solid WR1 I think he could have been a break-out player this season.Just gettign Dansby and a bunch of rookies will not do the trick IMO. I suspect we will fill some of the defensive holes in the draft, but we also will need to score points. That Jets D is real good and getting better, and New England can still light up the scoreboard.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Whoops, sorry Chuck. I fixed the name in the quote box.

 

[Desert_Power]

Looks like we are closing in on signing Richie Incognito. I don't know much about him ouotside of his headbutts. Do you guys think he is a good signing?

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't think WR1 is a priority. There is such a low hit-rate on these players that I think we should look at lower priced veterans like Mason or Coles.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Richie Incognito was signed. This OL already has a lot invested into it with book end Tackles that cost in the $40-$50 million range for each, Grove at Center got $30 million last year, Justin Smiley has been pretty average although he looked good preinjury last year.

I also hold a lot of hope for Donald Thomas who I think in year 3 will be ready to roll at RG. Cognito adds good depth but i don't see him starting for us. We really didn't have much behind Smiley and Thomas, glad we were smart enough to get a guy that has starting experience.

 

[=Smackdown=]

The line is now 8 deep and strong. Garner backs up T and Berger and Icognito back up C & G unless one beats out Thomas. Great depth there. You add maybe one more young guy for development and there are your 9 OL guys.

Gonna be a D heavy draft for the Dolphins.

 

[Native]

Incognito is a good low risk/ high reward type player. Hes got natural strength and girth to play any position along the interior line and didnt cost a lot to sign. With Smiley injured a lot and Thomas unable to solidify his starter spot, Incognito should see a lot of playing time next year if he can keep his head on straight.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

Just pulled this off rotoworld. Obviously just their opinion, but worth noting:

Dolphins OG Donald Thomas is not expected to regain his starting spot at right guard this offseason.

Thomas lost the coaching staff's confidence late last season, being sent to the bench in favor of Nate Garner. Wednesday's signing of Richie Incognito is further proof that Thomas has fallen out of favor.

Source: ESPN.com

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just pulled this off rotoworld. Obviously just their opinion, but worth notingolphins OG Donald Thomas is not expected to regain his starting spot at right guard this offseason.Thomas lost the coaching staff's confidence late last season, being sent to the bench in favor of Nate Garner. Wednesday's signing of Richie Incognito is further proof that Thomas has fallen out of favor.Source: ESPN.com

He was a 2008 6th round pick so he isn't life or death for Miami but I actually think this will push Thomas and overall Miami is much better in the interior of the line now.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Just pulled this off rotoworld. Obviously just their opinion, but worth notingolphins OG Donald Thomas is not expected to regain his starting spot at right guard this offseason.Thomas lost the coaching staff's confidence late last season, being sent to the bench in favor of Nate Garner. Wednesday's signing of Richie Incognito is further proof that Thomas has fallen out of favor.Source: ESPN.com

He was a 2008 6th round pick so he isn't life or death for Miami but I actually think this will push Thomas and overall Miami is much better in the interior of the line now.

Donald Thomas loses his starting spot? We'll see in training camp about that one. Sounds like more Parcells/Ireland offseason mind games

 

[Desert_Power]

Just pulled this off rotoworld. Obviously just their opinion, but worth notingolphins OG Donald Thomas is not expected to regain his starting spot at right guard this offseason.Thomas lost the coaching staff's confidence late last season, being sent to the bench in favor of Nate Garner. Wednesday's signing of Richie Incognito is further proof that Thomas has fallen out of favor.Source: ESPN.com

He was a 2008 6th round pick so he isn't life or death for Miami but I actually think this will push Thomas and overall Miami is much better in the interior of the line now.

My take as well. Keep opening up those holes for Ronnie and Ricky.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So far, here are 3 players that Miami missed out on that I think would have made us a strong playoff contender...

Safety-Ryan Clark would have been a very nice signing after Dansby and would have made us better up the middle. Now I guess round 2 of the draft...although if Berry from TN is all that and a bag of chips, why not trade up and go get this guy? They could be really good in the secondary for years to come.

NT-Jamal Williams would have looked better here than in Denver...might not have a ton left but even if he could play 50% of the snaps on defense that would be a big help till Ferguson comes back in week 9...can't believe Miami resigned that guy but whatever. The draft has a lot of prospects but I kinda hope Miami tries to take one of the lesser knowns in rounds 2 or 3.

WR-Anquan Boldin...sorry but watching Baltimore trade and get that guy was a real downer for me. We need a playmaker somewhere on offense, right now I don't see it at WR or RB...many are still high on Brown and Williams but I don't really see it at this point and wish Miami had some GD speed in the backfield. Believe me, the holes are gonna be there for a RB, part of me almost wishes they go RB in the draft or position themselves in a way where they can get some speed. Maimi might be interested in trading down...don't discredit the relationship Bill has or hasn't with Jerry Jones, would not surprise me if Miami found a dance partner in Dallas.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Incognito is a good low risk/ high reward type player. Hes got natural strength and girth to play any position along the interior line and didnt cost a lot to sign. With Smiley injured a lot and Thomas unable to solidify his starter spot, Incognito should see a lot of playing time next year if he can keep his head on straight.

Incognito will cost you bout 1 - 15 yard personal foul penalty per game

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

How to Phins fans feel about Henne moving forward?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Incognito is a good low risk/ high reward type player. Hes got natural strength and girth to play any position along the interior line and didnt cost a lot to sign. With Smiley injured a lot and Thomas unable to solidify his starter spot, Incognito should see a lot of playing time next year if he can keep his head on straight.

Incognito will cost you bout 1 - 15 yard personal foul penalty per game

And A.J. Smith will cost you your head coach who went 14-2 during the regular season over some philisophical differences.