Mr.Pack
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What a comeback after a dismal homestand!!
I was tired and disgusted with the pitching last night. Went to bed after the Injuns made it 12-8. 
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***Official Milwaukee Brewers 2009 Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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I was tired and disgusted with the pitching last night. Went to bed after the Injuns made it 12-8. 
sho nuff
Footballguy
I gave up for a bit too and finished watching something on my DVR...it ended and next thing I know I see Prince smacking that slam...very nice.My favorite comment though...cannot remember who it was in the booth said "I miss Orel"...but say that out loud and see how it sounds.Too funny.
What a comeback after a dismal homestand!!
strykerpks
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Bush has a micro-tear in his right biceps. Between now and the All-star game will be very telling for the Crew.strykerpks said:
for 2 brats with mustard and stadium sauce
strykerpks
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Only if you take Hall and Suppan...but we may want Marshall tooThis is cubs G.M. Jim Hendry,......We'll give you Kevin Greggfor 2 brats with mustard and stadium sauce
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
BRAUN! BRAUN! BRAUN!
strykerpks
Footballguy
Ok...2nd half is here
Have yourself a game Braden Looper...3-3
Parra pitched well in his first start back. Let see if he can carry that momentum
Bush should be back, hopefully he can help restore some consistency and balance to that starting rotation.
The Crew has a relatively easy schedule coming up here. If they tank the first few series, don't expect Melvin to do anything and mail it in for '09. If they take advantage of the schedule and win a few, look for him to deal...probably not Halladay but more along the lines of Doug Davis making a return.
I'm cautiously optimistic. As poorly as they have played (something like 13-20 since June 1), they're still in striking distance. The Cubs and Cards will have their streaks too. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go down to the last week/series/game again.
Have yourself a game Braden Looper...3-3
Parra pitched well in his first start back. Let see if he can carry that momentum
Bush should be back, hopefully he can help restore some consistency and balance to that starting rotation.
The Crew has a relatively easy schedule coming up here. If they tank the first few series, don't expect Melvin to do anything and mail it in for '09. If they take advantage of the schedule and win a few, look for him to deal...probably not Halladay but more along the lines of Doug Davis making a return.
I'm cautiously optimistic. As poorly as they have played (something like 13-20 since June 1), they're still in striking distance. The Cubs and Cards will have their streaks too. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go down to the last week/series/game again.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Off to a good start to the second half. Let's get on a roll.Heard on the radio on Thursday that Bush had a very poor outing last time with Huntsville and complained about continued arm fatigue. Doesn't sound good.Ok...2nd half is here
Have yourself a game Braden Looper...3-3
Parra pitched well in his first start back. Let see if he can carry that momentum
Bush should be back, hopefully he can help restore some consistency and balance to that starting rotation.
The Crew has a relatively easy schedule coming up here. If they tank the first few series, don't expect Melvin to do anything and mail it in for '09. If they take advantage of the schedule and win a few, look for him to deal...probably not Halladay but more along the lines of Doug Davis making a return.
I'm cautiously optimistic. As poorly as they have played (something like 13-20 since June 1), they're still in striking distance. The Cubs and Cards will have their streaks too. I wouldn't be surprised to see this go down to the last week/series/game again.
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Tony Jabroni
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I keep hearing/reading about Doug Davis and Felipe Lopez. With the emergence of Casey Mcghee, I don't see Lopez in a Brewer uniform. Either way, a stabilizing starter is definitely a big need.Go Crew!Ok...2nd half is hereHave yourself a game Braden Looper...3-3
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I like this move. They've been missing a leadoff hitter since Weeks got hurt. Now Counsell can platoon at third with McGahee and or Gamel. Also moves Counsell back as the top pinch hitter, something they've been missing since he moved in to the starting lineup. Gamel maybe gets moved back down to get some playing time.
trader jake
Footballguy
GM Doug Melvin doesn't understand that pitching wins more baseball games than hitting.
Until he changes his Texas Rangers championship blueprint not much will change.
Until he changes his Texas Rangers championship blueprint not much will change.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Sorry but I'm a little buzzed and I'm going to be a bit negative. Its only July, but it's time to start planning for 2010 and beyond methinks. The Crew needs to go into September in first place with a decent cushion (say 4-5 games) in order to win the Central as the wildcard is just as unlikely. With the Cards landing Holliday, even a move for Halladay doesn't get them there IMO.
Lopez was a nice addition and hopefully he can bring some spark back to this offense. The 4 runs tonight against Vasquez was nice but ultimately they will need to score 7-8+ consistently to stay in ballgames.
Their window of opportunity was just '08 it seems. '11 or '12 seem to be the next most likely opportunities with Hall and Suppan sucking around $20MM of the payroll through '10. And I agree with traderjake that they need some legit pitching help badly.
I'll continue to root and will eat crow if they turn it around, but it simply isn't likely at this point.
Thoughts?
Lopez was a nice addition and hopefully he can bring some spark back to this offense. The 4 runs tonight against Vasquez was nice but ultimately they will need to score 7-8+ consistently to stay in ballgames.
Their window of opportunity was just '08 it seems. '11 or '12 seem to be the next most likely opportunities with Hall and Suppan sucking around $20MM of the payroll through '10. And I agree with traderjake that they need some legit pitching help badly.
I'll continue to root and will eat crow if they turn it around, but it simply isn't likely at this point.
Thoughts?
strykerpks
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Balco
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Not sure why they wouldn't go after Halladay. Yes it would probably cost Escobar + (I would offer Gamel instead, but I would think Escobar is more valuable due to his position), but Halladay is a dominant pitcher signed through next year. I know Hardy is a FA after next season, but when they eventually have to trade Fielder, I am sure they can get a SS prospect (and Gamel will start at 1st).
I like the talent on the Brewers team, they just need to do some tweaking to make it a finished product. And the first order of business is to get a frontline pitcher.
I like the talent on the Brewers team, they just need to do some tweaking to make it a finished product. And the first order of business is to get a frontline pitcher.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
It would cost more than either Gamel or Escobar to get Halladay. It would take both. That would be a huge mistake. This team is more than just a starting pitcher away and a little tweaking. At this point, I think it would be a mistake to deal any of your top prospects like Gamel or Escobar for a pitcher. I've heard possible trades like Washburn or Davis for Escobar. What a disaster that would be. Neither is any better than Suppan or Looper. Doug Melvin failed this team during the off-season.
CletiusMaximus
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SELL!!
SELL!!
SELL!!
SELL!!
SELL!!
Balco
Footballguy
I am not a Brewer fan, so I will defer to your opinion, but looking at the roster makeup it does look like they are a frontline starter and a couple minor tweakins away from being a very legitimate contender. I do agree if the Jays wanted Gamel and Escobar that would be foolish.KingPrawn said:
If they are as far away as you think they are, they should be sellers, and the biggest piece (literally and figuratively) they have is Prince Fielder. They could get a ton for him. Move Gamel to first, let Hardy walk and insert Escobar, and just like that, rebuilding mode. Also get rid of Trevor Hoffman (not sure if he has a no trade), I am sure a team like the Rays would give up a decent prospect for him.
When you are a small market like Milwaukee, you have to determine when your window is, and if it is there, you need to trade to get pieces. They did it last year with CC, still think they have a good shot at contending this year and next if they land Halladay. But if they think the window is closed, they need to begin rebuilding again.
CletiusMaximus
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This is very similar to what I said to my buddy as we sat at Miller Park last night watching the Brewers lose their second straight to the hapless Nats. Fielder and Hoffman should be on the block. Highlight of the entire night was when the bratwurst tripped coming out of the gate and took the chorizo with him, directly in front of us along the third base line. The Italian never looked back and won easily, but didn't come close to challenging the season record of 16.1 seconds. We also had fun harrassing Nat's third base coach Pat Listach - sad days indeed in Brew Town.
trader jake
Footballguy
The Brewers will draw over 3 million people for the second straight season and have the 3rd highest television ratings in all of MLB. It's time the fan base get out of the small market mindset (at least a little) and start thinking about what it will take to finally win a World Series.
Um, let's add some pitching this offseason!?! Right now Trevor Hoffman and Mike Cameron are the two biggest pieces that will probably not be with Milwaukee next season and should be moved. There's a lot of season left and the Crew is within striking distance but, realistically, 2009 just doesn't look like their year.
Um, let's add some pitching this offseason!?! Right now Trevor Hoffman and Mike Cameron are the two biggest pieces that will probably not be with Milwaukee next season and should be moved. There's a lot of season left and the Crew is within striking distance but, realistically, 2009 just doesn't look like their year.
Statorama
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Neither Hoffman nor Cameron are likely to make it through waivers, so if they're to be dealt they need to be dealt now.This team, as currently constructed, is not very likely to make the playoffs this season. They should be sellers and I'd include JJ Hardy on that list as well.My gut tells me that Melvin was waiting to see if he could get Washburn before going into sale mode. Mariners look like buyers right now, so we might see some Brewer movement soon.
strykerpks
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Word around here is that Seattle is asking for too much as far as prospects go for Washburn. I gotta think after giving up 22 runs to the NatsNeither Hoffman nor Cameron are likely to make it through waivers, so if they're to be dealt they need to be dealt now.
This team, as currently constructed, is not very likely to make the playoffs this season. They should be sellers and I'd include JJ Hardy on that list as well.
My gut tells me that Melvin was waiting to see if he could get Washburn before going into sale mode. Mariners look like buyers right now, so we might see some Brewer movement soon.
in 2 games (as well as the current 7-16 July record), Melvin realizes that one pitcher isn't going to get it done. Also, the Mariners just picked up Jack Wilson so a Hardy/Escobar trade seems unlikely..at least to Seattle.
trader jake
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Regarding JJ Hardy...I agree he should be moved as well but believe that Doug Melvin can fetch much more in return by waiting until the offseason to move him.Neither Hoffman nor Cameron are likely to make it through waivers, so if they're to be dealt they need to be dealt now.This team, as currently constructed, is not very likely to make the playoffs this season. They should be sellers and I'd include JJ Hardy on that list as well.My gut tells me that Melvin was waiting to see if he could get Washburn before going into sale mode. Mariners look like buyers right now, so we might see some Brewer movement soon.
Statorama
Footballguy
MLBTR has Melvin sniffing around Kevin Corriea of the Padres. Ugh.
Times running out on Melvin to decide he's a seller (non-waiver deadline is about 31 hours from now). More importantly he's running out of time to determine if his kids are ready for full time duty. Is there an internal closer candidate (Stetter? Coffey?) when Hoffman leaves? Can Gamel handle 3B full time? Is Escobar truly ready? Who handles CF when Cameron leaves? Gerut? Hart?
There are a lot of questions about this team that Melvin needs to answer, but who they're going to play in the playoffs isn't one of them.
Times running out on Melvin to decide he's a seller (non-waiver deadline is about 31 hours from now). More importantly he's running out of time to determine if his kids are ready for full time duty. Is there an internal closer candidate (Stetter? Coffey?) when Hoffman leaves? Can Gamel handle 3B full time? Is Escobar truly ready? Who handles CF when Cameron leaves? Gerut? Hart?
There are a lot of questions about this team that Melvin needs to answer, but who they're going to play in the playoffs isn't one of them.
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strykerpks
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deep vacuum
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Someone who should get moved now is Felipe Lopez. For a team in a slide and nowhere near playoff ready this year, he is an expensive 1/2 season rental. Cut bait and get some prospect for him. Hoffman and Cameron should also get moved. We're not winning with them and there is no future for them in Milwaukee, so adios guys.Hardy AND Hart should get moved during the off season when their value will be higher that it is now.Regarding JJ Hardy...I agree he should be moved as well but believe that Doug Melvin can fetch much more in return by waiting until the offseason to move him.Neither Hoffman nor Cameron are likely to make it through waivers, so if they're to be dealt they need to be dealt now.This team, as currently constructed, is not very likely to make the playoffs this season. They should be sellers and I'd include JJ Hardy on that list as well.My gut tells me that Melvin was waiting to see if he could get Washburn before going into sale mode. Mariners look like buyers right now, so we might see some Brewer movement soon.
deep vacuum
Footballguy
Suppan AND Hall in one day? I felt happier when we aquired CC last year but this news does make me happy.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Done.
####### done
7-1 top of 3
11-7 top of 9
Jesus ####### christ
####### done
7-1 top of 3
11-7 top of 9
Jesus ####### christ
The Kerminator
Footballguy
I'm so happy they didn't trade Escobar or Gamel for a questionable pitcher. This team is beyond help.Starting pitching is horrible.Relieve pitching is horrible.7 of the last 11 games they have allowed more than 8 runs. And they've allowed at least 10 runs in 3 of the last 6.Macha's got to get his bullpen some rest. I don't understand why he doesn't let his starters go longer. Sure, they've been terrible but it's not like the bullpen is shutting the other team down.
Balco
Footballguy
Don't know why they wouldn't trade Hoffman, then, if they feel the team is hopeless this year. If they want to blow up the roster, they should start taking calls for Fielder in the offseason.
strykerpks
Footballguy
The Fielder issue aside...not worth talking about...
Let me get this straight...lose or split to the Padres, Nationals, Braves, Pirates and Reds..
But then take a series from the Dodgers (with a 17 run allowance vs our "ace")
Color me confused about this team (other than their pitching really really sucks)
Let me get this straight...lose or split to the Padres, Nationals, Braves, Pirates and Reds..
But then take a series from the Dodgers (with a 17 run allowance vs our "ace")
Color me confused about this team (other than their pitching really really sucks)
strykerpks
Footballguy
@ eating ~$12MM.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Oof. Swept by the Pirates. Its been official for a while now, but now its officially official. Its done. <_<
But, hey at least we got rid of $1+ million of Bill Halls remaining $10+ million :X
But, hey at least we got rid of $1+ million of Bill Halls remaining $10+ million
:X
The Kerminator
Footballguy
They can't beat the gimmees on the schedule. September will be brutal against the Cubs and Cards.
