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*** OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings offseason thread (1 Viewer)

'RandyDB said:
'griff321 said:
I'm reserving some judgement on Claiborne until after his workout, but I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Kalil then Blackmon.

I don't care what we do to fix our CB but Cook will never be a solid 1,2 punch with anyone. Chris Cook has no future in the NFL. People do change, so here's my hope that he will. He came onto this team as a major character liability and nothing has changed so far. He's a PoS that manipulated our justice system. He may have been found not guilty by a jury, but we all know that he was guilty.

How do you guys feel about cheering for a guy that strangled a woman to the point where he left finger imprints and burst her eardrums?

Pretty shocked at how everyone is like, "well he's been punished enough" or just ignoring how much of a total PoS Cook is because it benefits the football team.
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Remind me to ask you who the fantasy leaders will be. I'm sure you KNOW that too.
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It's not predicting the stock market in three months. He's a PoS that obstructed and manipulated the justice system and got off. If you can't see that you're either ignorant of all the facts or dumb. Maybe you're just part of the group that says, "she had it coming"
 
'Donnybrook said:
One of the under the radar players the Vikings should be considering:

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Oof! We did sign a rookie DB that played a bit in a lower level arena league, Nicholas Taylor 5-10 165lbs. :mellow: ETA: The only logical step now is to sign Keanu Reeves.

 
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'griff321 said:
'RandyDB said:
'griff321 said:
I'm reserving some judgement on Claiborne until after his workout, but I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Kalil then Blackmon.

I don't care what we do to fix our CB but Cook will never be a solid 1,2 punch with anyone. Chris Cook has no future in the NFL. People do change, so here's my hope that he will. He came onto this team as a major character liability and nothing has changed so far. He's a PoS that manipulated our justice system. He may have been found not guilty by a jury, but we all know that he was guilty.

How do you guys feel about cheering for a guy that strangled a woman to the point where he left finger imprints and burst her eardrums?

Pretty shocked at how everyone is like, "well he's been punished enough" or just ignoring how much of a total PoS Cook is because it benefits the football team.
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Remind me to ask you who the fantasy leaders will be. I'm sure you KNOW that too.
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It's not predicting the stock market in three months. He's a PoS that obstructed and manipulated the justice system and got off. If you can't see that you're either ignorant of all the facts or dumb. Maybe you're just part of the group that says, "she had it coming"
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Maybe you can enlighten us on exactly how Cook manipulated and obstructed the justice system. Was it be cause he did not plead guilty?

Even the prosecutions witnesses could not testify that Baker had been strangled, only that bruises/abrasions could

have been caused by strangulation OR by slapping or pushing at the neck area.

The emergency room physician testified that Baker "did not" say she was choked or strangled.

I believe the verdict was more the result of an over zealuous district attorneys office over charging a crime.

 
How can anyone actually believe that. He belongs in prison. I find it pathetic that sports fans will condone and forgive egregious sins because a guy can play well.

 
'griff321 said:
'mr roboto said:
Jared Allen tracking Tim Tebow.

:lmao:
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:goodposting: :goodposting: How could you ever trade that!? Seriously!?

I hope he retires a Viking and right now with all the vets streaming for the exits we need someone to help transition from the Favre window fail.
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I understand completely (and if you ever listen to his radio show you will like him even more!), but if they aren't going to compete, then I think it is in the team's best interest to get the most you can for him now. And I really don't think the Favre thing was a fail - they got the best season of his career out of him and were within a play of making it to the Super Bowl...worth the gamble, IMO.

 
'FunkyPlutos said:
'griff321 said:
'mr roboto said:
Jared Allen tracking Tim Tebow.

:lmao:
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:goodposting: :goodposting: How could you ever trade that!? Seriously!?

I hope he retires a Viking and right now with all the vets streaming for the exits we need someone to help transition from the Favre window fail.
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I understand completely (and if you ever listen to his radio show you will like him even more!), but if they aren't going to compete, then I think it is in the team's best interest to get the most you can for him now. And I really don't think the Favre thing was a fail - they got the best season of his career out of him and were within a play of making it to the Super Bowl...worth the gamble, IMO.
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Right I only meant fail in the sense that we didn't win the SB. It was a good ride and I enjoyed it immensely. I think you have to draw the line at some point and keep veterans that are great in the locker room to be a voice and model for the massive influx of youth that we are experiencing. It's a tenuous balance. All I can think of is the team just letting everyone go and drop off into obscurity for a decade. I don't think this team needs a culture change yet, but this season will show us a lot. Like we "had" to trade KG and the wolves fell off the face of the planet. Devoid of any real leadership or reason for other star vets to even consider them. I rather loose value than ever see that happen to the vikings.
 
Call me crazy but I think signing Lee Evans to cheap contract would be a good move. I am talking a minimum risk contract like the one the 49ers gave Moss.

 
While I think no stone should be left unturned, Jerome Simpson at 25 offers more long term value with a developing offense than Evans who is old and struggles with injuries would.

 
'Biabreakable said:
'Donnybrook said:
'Biabreakable said:
While I think no stone should be left unturned, Jerome Simpson at 25 offers more long term value with a developing offense than Evans who is old and struggles with injuries would.
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Isn't he going to prison?
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Is he? If so I did not know that.ETA- yes busted for possession I guess. Serious bummer.
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Crazy a guy get caught with 8 lbs of weed and gets possession. I think lee Evans would be a great signing. Good thought,
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
Marshall would have been a disease for this team.
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:goodposting: I can't say that I disagree with anything they have done so far (of course they haven't done much). I don't think any of the signings that have happened so far have been fits for this team. I'm not a fan of signing a player just to say we signed someone. I thought Meachem may have beena good fit as a deep threat but that is really the only one I thought they should have gone after given his ability and age combination.
 
Bob Sansevere: Vikings GM Rick Spielman appears to like Mo Claborne over Matt KalilBob Sanseverebsansevere@pioneerpress.comPosted: 03/19/2012 12:01:00 AM CDTUpdated: 03/19/2012 09:11:07 PM CDTLast time I ran into Vikings general manager Rick Spielman, he quizzed me. He asked if I knew the starting left tackles for the Green Bay Packers and New York Giants. I shrugged. He wanted to make the point that a left tackle doesn't have to be an all-pro or even well known for a team to be successful.Here's the flaw in his thinking: The quarterbacks for the Packers and Giants are either all-pro (Aaron Rodgers) or all-pro caliber (Eli Manning). Teams with elite quarterbacks don't need an all-pro at left tackle. Teams with an inexperienced quarterback, like the Vikings, have a much better chance of success when surrounded by all-pro level players, particularly at left tackle.The discussion came about because Spielman didn't seem to agree with a column I wrote saying he might be in need of a CAT scan if he passes up Southern California left tackle Matt Kalil with the third overall pick in the NFL draft.It could just be a smokescreen that Spielman isn't gushing about the prospect of drafting a potential all-pro who could be a fixture at left tackle for the next decade. Then again, why a smokescreen is needed when the first two picks already are decided is baffling.After listening to the Spielman spiel, this much appears certain: If he keeps the third pick and passes on Kalil, Spielman will draft LSU cornerback Mo Claiborne. He raved more about Claiborne than Kalil.With each passing day, the argument builds that Spielman prefers Claiborneover Kalil. For one thing, the Vikings haven't pursued a cornerback in free agency. For another, they have expressed interest in offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz, who is nothing special and missed all of last season after hip surgery. Presumably, he fits the type of lineman Spielman thinks you can win with in the NFL.
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http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_20208169/bob-sansevere-rick-spielman-appears-like-mo-claborne?source=rssI like Claiborne a lot too. But come on LT is a bigger priority for any team than corner is. We need both and thus need the LT more.Could someone clue me in on Spielman's joke here? Because this isn't very funny. In fact its embarrassing. I can just see other GMs in the league laughing at this.
 
'FunkyPlutos said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Marshall would have been a disease for this team.
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:goodposting: I can't say that I disagree with anything they have done so far (of course they haven't done much). I don't think any of the signings that have happened so far have been fits for this team. I'm not a fan of signing a player just to say we signed someone. I thought Meachem may have beena good fit as a deep threat but that is really the only one I thought they should have gone after given his ability and age combination.
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I think Laurent Robinson would have been a nice signing...maybe not at the price that he went for, but he has the ability to be a good deep threat and red zone target- borderline #1 for any offense, and would have complemented Harvin well. I guess any big frame WR would be nice to see step up and fill that role- Simpson is in that mold, but doesn't always have the concentration/hands. Maybe Jenkins/Aromashodu will end up being that guy, but it's too early to tell. I suppose Rudolph could be that guy too if they can get other blocking help.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Biabreakable said:
Could someone clue me in on Spielman's joke here? Because this isn't very funny. In fact its embarrassing. I can just see other GMs in the league laughing at this.
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Smoke. Screen.
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Smoke screen for what :confused: It's not like they need to worry about who will go 1 & 2.Unless they are trying to make a team down below them that wants Clairborne to trade up.. I truly think he wants to trade down and take Clairborne.. If they don't trade down and still take Clairborne at #3 than he better be the next Sanders are the #hit will hit the fan. :rant:
 
jfowler@pioneerpress.com Wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is in Minnesota on Tuesday, March 20, visiting with the Vikings, according to Ginn's father, Ted Sr. Ginn, 26, a five-year NFL veteran and 2007 first-round pick, arrived in the Twin Cities on Monday night, Ted Sr. said. The 5-foot-11, 180-pounder was not a primary option for the San Francisco 49ers offense last season (19 catches, 220 yards), but is an explosive kickoff and punt returner. The Vikings could be looking to lessen the load on Percy Harvin, the Vikings' all-everything offensive weapon who also handles kickoff returns. Ginn also has visited with the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens. Ginn has good speed, which could help the Vikings' efforts to stretch the field vertically with quarterback Christian Ponder. Ginn's best season came in 2008 with the Miami Dolphins, when he recorded 56 catches for 790 yards.
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'FunkyPlutos said:
jfowler@pioneerpress.com Wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is in Minnesota on Tuesday, March 20, visiting with the Vikings, according to Ginn's father, Ted Sr. Ginn, 26, a five-year NFL veteran and 2007 first-round pick, arrived in the Twin Cities on Monday night, Ted Sr. said. The 5-foot-11, 180-pounder was not a primary option for the San Francisco 49ers offense last season (19 catches, 220 yards), but is an explosive kickoff and punt returner. The Vikings could be looking to lessen the load on Percy Harvin, the Vikings' all-everything offensive weapon who also handles kickoff returns. Ginn also has visited with the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens. Ginn has good speed, which could help the Vikings' efforts to stretch the field vertically with quarterback Christian Ponder. Ginn's best season came in 2008 with the Miami Dolphins, when he recorded 56 catches for 790 yards.
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Isn't Ginn basically Harvin with an attitude problem?
 
'Herb said:
'FunkyPlutos said:
jfowler@pioneerpress.com Wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is in Minnesota on Tuesday, March 20, visiting with the Vikings, according to Ginn's father, Ted Sr. Ginn, 26, a five-year NFL veteran and 2007 first-round pick, arrived in the Twin Cities on Monday night, Ted Sr. said. The 5-foot-11, 180-pounder was not a primary option for the San Francisco 49ers offense last season (19 catches, 220 yards), but is an explosive kickoff and punt returner. The Vikings could be looking to lessen the load on Percy Harvin, the Vikings' all-everything offensive weapon who also handles kickoff returns. Ginn also has visited with the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens. Ginn has good speed, which could help the Vikings' efforts to stretch the field vertically with quarterback Christian Ponder. Ginn's best season came in 2008 with the Miami Dolphins, when he recorded 56 catches for 790 yards.
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Isn't Ginn basically Harvin with an attitude problem?
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Harvin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ginn
 
harvin is a good player and i like the fact that when he has other primadonnas around him like brett the wiener texter cheater john edwards ii favre around him he also becomes a prima donna and hard to deal with for a good man like chilly the family man but other than that he is great and you can see it in the win column like last year

 
'SWC said:
harvin is a good player and i like the fact that when he has other primadonnas around him like brett the wiener texter cheater john edwards ii favre around him he also becomes a prima donna and hard to deal with for a good man like chilly the family man but other than that he is great and you can see it in the win column like last year
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:loco:
 
'Biabreakable said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'Biabreakable said:
Could someone clue me in on Spielman's joke here? Because this isn't very funny. In fact its embarrassing. I can just see other GMs in the league laughing at this.
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Smoke. Screen.
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I hope your right, but the only person I see Speilman fooling is himself on this one.
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With Spielman's track record of getting nervous and trading up a few spots for TJack and Toby Gerhart, I see him likely trading up again with Washington to #2 Overall and getting his guy, LSU CB Claiborne. ;)
 
The STrib had a really good breakdown of all the LTs selected in the top 10 in the past 20 years with the players longevity and the playoff record of the team that drafted them. After going over this list, I don't want Kalil. Why drafting Matt Kalil might not be as valuable as you've been led to believe.

1992

Bob Whitfield

Drafted: No. 8 by Atlanta

Team’s record while he was there: 82-109-1

Longevity: Whitfield played in Atlanta for 12 years, starting all 16 games in nine of those seasons. He lasted 15 years in the NFL, playing 220 career games.

Postseason success with Atlanta: Whitfield was a starter on the 1998 Falcons team that upset the Vikings in the NFC Championship game to reach the Super Bowl. But Atlanta made the playoffs only two other times during his stay there.

Ray Roberts

Drafted: No. 10 by Seattle

Team’s record while he was there: 22-42

Longevity: Roberts played 127 games during his NFL career with 116 starts. After four seasons in Seattle, he played his final five years for the Lions.

Postseason success with Seattle: The Seahawks did not make the playoffs during Roberts’ four seasons there.

1993

Willie Roaf

Drafted: No. 8 by New Orleans

Team’s record while he was there: 57-87

Longevity: Roaf enjoyed a Hall of Fame career during his 13 seasons in the league, reaching the Pro Bowl 11 times. After nine years in New Orleans, he finished his career in Kansas City.

Postseason success with New Orleans: Roaf played in exactly two playoff games with the Saints – a 31-28 win over the Rams in 2000 followed by a 34-16 loss to the Vikings in the division round the following week.

1995

Tony Boselli

Drafted: No. 2 by Jacksonville

Team’s record while he was there: 62-50

Longevity: Boselli played 91 games over seven seasons for the Jaguars and was an All-Pro for three consecutive years from 1997-99. He was selected in the 2002 expansion draft by the Texans but never played a game for Houston.

Postseason success: Boselli helped the Jaguars make the playoffs for four consecutive years from 1996-99. Jacksonville advanced to the AFC Championship game in 1996 but lost to New England.

1996

Willie Anderson

Drafted: No. 10 by Cincinnati

Team’s record while he was there: 76-116

Longevity: Anderson was sturdy for 13 seasons, the first 12 with the Bengals. He played 195 career games and started 184 of them. He went to the Pro Bowl four times.

Postseason success: During Anderson’s 12 seasons in Cincinnati, the Bengals played one playoff game, a 31-17 loss to Pittsburgh after the 2005 season.

1997

Orlando Pace

Drafted: No. 1 by St. Louis

Team’s record while he was there: 92-100

Longevity: Pace played 12 seasons with the Rams and finished his career with a one-season stint in Chicago. He made 165 starts in his 169 career games and made the Pro Bowl in seven consecutive seasons (1999-2005).

Postseason success: The Rams made the postseason five times and went 7-4 in playoff games during Pace’s tenure there. He was the anchor of an offensive line that helped St. Louis win Super Bowl XXXIV. The Rams also made it to Super Bowl XXXVI.

Walter Jones

Drafted: No. 6 by Seattle

Team’s record while he was there: 102-90

Longevity: Jones played his entire 12-year career with the Seahawks and started 180 games. He made the Pro Bowl in nine of his final 10 seasons.

Postseason success: Seattle made the playoffs six times and won four postseason games, including two victories following the ’05 season that sent the Seahawks onto the Super Bowl.

2000

Chris Samuels

Drafted: No. 3 by Washington

Team’s record while he was there: 70-90

Longevity: Samuels lasted 10 years and played in 141 games for the Redskins. He made the Pro Bowl six times.

Postseason success with team that drafted him: The Redskins made the playoffs in 2005 and ’07 but one only one postseason game and never reached the conference championship game during Samuels’ time there.

2002

Mike Williams

Drafted: No. 4 by Buffalo

Team’s record while he was there: 28-36

Longevity: Williams lasted four years with the Bills then spent one season each in Jacksonville and Washington.

Postseason success with Buffalo: The Bills did not reach the postseason while he was there.

Bryant McKinnie

Drafted: No. 7 by the Vikings

Team’s record while he was there: 74-70

Longevity: In nine years with the Vikings, McKinnie made 131 starts and was a mainstay up front. He made the Pro Bowl in 2009. After being released last summer, he played all 16 games in 2011 for the Ravens.

Postseason success with Minnesota: The Vikings reached the playoffs in three of McKinnie’s nine seasons and had a 2-3 record in those games. They almost reached the Super Bowl after the 2009 season before suffering a devastating overtime loss to New Orleans in the NFC Championship game.

Levi Jones

Drafted: No. 10 by Cincinnati

Team’s record while he was there: 48-63-1

Longevity: Jones spent seven seasons with the Bengals and finished his career in 2009 with the Redskins.

Postseason success with Cincinnati: The Bengals lost their only playoff game with Jones on the roster, a 31-17 stumble against Pittsburgh in January 2006.

2003

Jordan Gross

Drafted: No. 8 by Carolina

Team’s record while he’s been there: 72-72

Longevity: Gross has made 135 starts in his nine seasons in Charlotte. He’s made the Pro Bowl twice.

Postseason success: As a rookie, Gross helped the Panthers reach the Super Bowl where they lost to New England. Two years later, Carolina was back in the NFC Championship game. They’ve won five of their eight playoff games in three postseason appearances during Gross’ nine seasons.

2004

Robert Gallery

Drafted: No. 2 by Oakland

Team’s record while he was there: 33-79

Longevity: Gallery played his first seven seasons in Oakland before playing last year in Seattle. He’s played in 104 games during his eight years in the league.

Postseason success with Oakland: The Raiders never reached the playoffs.

2006

D’Brickashaw Ferguson

Drafted: No. 4 by the New York Jets

Team’s record while he’s been there: 51-45

Longevity: Ferguson hasn’t missed a start in six seasons with the Jets and has made the Pro Bowl the past three seasons.

Postseason success: New York has reached the playoffs three times in Ferguson’s six seasons and reached the AFC Championship game in consecutive seasons in 2009 and 2010.

2007

Joe Thomas

Drafted: No. 4 by Cleveland.

Team’s record while he was there: 28-52

Longevity: Thomas hasn’t missed a start in five seasons with the Browns and has made the Pro Bowl all five seasons.

Postseason success: The Browns have yet to reach the playoffs.

Levi Brown

Drafted: No. 5 by Arizona

Team’s record while he’s been there there: 40-40

Longevity: Brown hasn’t missed a start over the past four seasons and has played in 77 games during his five years in Arizona.

Postseason success: The Cardinals made the playoffs after the ’08 and ’09 seasons and advanced to Super Bowl XLIII with Brown aiding a prolific passing attack.

2008

Jake Long

Drafted: No. 1 by Miami

Team’s record while he’s been there: 31-33

Longevity: Long has played in and started 62 of Miami’s 64 games over the past four seasons. He’s made the Pro Bowl in all four seasons.

Postseason success: Miami went 11-5 when Long was a rookie in 2008 but lost its playoff opener 27-9 to Baltimore.

2009

Jason Smith

Drafted: No. 2 by the Rams

Team’s record while he’s been there: 10-38

Longevity: Smith hasn’t lived up to expectations, hampered by injuries and inconsistent play. He’s played 29 games with 26 starts in his first three seasons.

Postseason success: The Rams have yet to reach the playoffs.

Andre Smith

Drafted: No. 6 by Cincinnati

Team’s record while he was there: 23-25

Longevity: Smith has started 19 times and played in 27 games in his first three seasons.

Postseason success: The Bengals have reached the playoffs twice in the past three seasons but lost their postseason openers both times.

Eugene Monroe

Drafted: No. 8 by Jacksonville

Team’s record while he’s been there: 20-28

Longevity: Monroe has played 45 games and started 42 during his first three seasons.

Postseason success: The Jaguars have yet to reach the playoffs.

2010

Trent Williams

Drafted: No. 4 by Washington

Team’s record while he’s been there: 11-21

Longevity: Williams has played in 24 games and started 23 during his first two seasons.

Postseason success: The Redskins have yet to reach the playoffs.

Russell Okung

Drafted: No. 6 by Seattle

Team’s record while he’s been there: 14-18

Longevity: Okung has made 22 starts in his first two seasons with the Seahawks.

Postseason success: After sneaking into the playoffs with a 7-9 record in 2011, Okung helped Seattle upset New Orleans in the wild card round. The Seahawks lost the following week at Chicago.

2011

Tyron Smith

Drafted: No. 9 by Dallas

Team’s record while he’s been there: 8-8

Longevity: Smith started all 16 games as a rookie last season.

Postseason success: The Cowboys did not reach the playoffs in 2011
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I think the only thing left to be said is, Claiborne or Blackmon?
 
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The writers logic is flawed IMO. How about presenting both sides of the argument. Maybe he should list the teams that have taken top 10 corners and their records and Super Bowl victories.

How many Super Bowls have Joe Haden, DeAngelo Hall, Pacman Jones, Terence Newman, Quentin Jammer, Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson and Shaun Springs won? Charles Woodson won at least 1 with the Pack but was drafted by the Raiders. Not sure if Bailey and Springs ever won one.

 
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I think your argument is ridiculous. The best way to protect the investment in Ponder and see if he is a franchise caliber qb is to keep him upright. 3 of the teams made the superbowl by having a top left tackle. Numerous playoffs. Pro bowlers aplenty. Maybe the teams really sucked so they got the early pick and managed to become good. Look how many of these guys are really good. Compare that and the records with top wrs and cbs. I guarnatee taking left tackle is the smarter option.

 
'Donnybrook said:
The writers logic is flawed IMO. How about presenting both sides of the argument. Maybe he should list the teams that have taken top 10 corners and their records and Super Bowl victories. How many Super Bowls have Joe Haden, DeAngelo Hall, Pacman Jones, Terence Newman, Quentin Jammer, Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson and Shaun Springs won? Charles Woodson won at least 1 with the Pack but was drafted by the Raiders. Not sure if Bailey and Springs ever won one.
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Great point Donny. We have enough gaping holes in our D, specifically our secondary, to the point where one guy wouldn't even make an impact even if he turns out to be an elite shutdown corner.
 
That's a pretty terrible argument. Everyone knows that QB is the most important position in football. How many of those left tackles played for a team with a top 5 QB? Orlando Pace did. He won a SB and went to another. Walter Jones, Tony Boselli, and Levi Brown played with borderline top 5 QBs. Jones and Brown both lost a SB and Boselli played in 4 straight postseasons and made an AFC championship.

All those other left tackles played with bottom of the barrel QBs and therefore can't be judged for their lack of postseason success. That's what it really comes down to. Is Ponder going to become a Top 5 guy or even a borderline Top 5 guy? If the answer is no, then the Vikings screwed up by not making a play for RGIII. If, however, Ponder does improve to the point that he is at least a borderline top 5 guy, then protecting his ### is the most important duty the Vikings management has and passing up a likely decade of great blindside protection to fill one of about 100 holes in the secondary is asinine.

 
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