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*** OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings offseason thread (1 Viewer)

'ArcticEdge said:
How bout this. We take Blackmon, and then we have the foursome of Harvin, Blackmon, Rudolph and Ponder for several years. Then we take the best LT in the second. And in FA, we get Finnegan. I like this a whole lot better than taking Kalil and using our FA money on overpaying Vincent Jackson or somebody else. And we get a bad ### corner. What do you think? :popcorn:
I'm a bigger Michael Floyd fan than Blackmon, so if this is the plan then I hope they can trade down and add some more picks and grab some extra lineman through the draft.
 
'ArcticEdge said:
How bout this. We take Blackmon, and then we have the foursome of Harvin, Blackmon, Rudolph and Ponder for several years. Then we take the best LT in the second. And in FA, we get Finnegan. I like this a whole lot better than taking Kalil and using our FA money on overpaying Vincent Jackson or somebody else. And we get a bad ### corner. What do you think? :popcorn:
I like the cut of your jib sir.
 
I'm not opposed to the Vikings trading down. However, it would have to be worth it. If they trade down the the 6 spot they had better get a load of picks in return. Fair compensation for St. Louis to trade down one spot would be 1 future 1st round draft pick. Which means the Vikings asking price should be the 2014 1st and this year's 2nd round pick they got in that trade otherwise they shouldn't consider it.

Also, the reason Jake Long and Joe Thomas haven't helped their teams is because the leadership of those teams has been terrible for years. What about Matt Light? He wasn't a huge part of the Patriots' success? What about Walter Jones? He wasn't a big reason Seattle made the SB? What about Orlando Pace? It isn't a coincidence that St. Louis has been the only team capable of running Martz's constant 7 step drops with such success. How about we look no further than our own team's success? You think it was coincidence that Favre couldn't stay upright in his second season with us after Hutch got hurt and McKinney stopped giving a ####?

Ponder has got great mobility, but unless we want him to become David Carr we must protect his ###. The only situation I would accept missing out on Kalil would be if we got another 1st in next year's draft.

 
I'm not opposed to the Vikings trading down. However, it would have to be worth it. If they trade down the the 6 spot they had better get a load of picks in return. Fair compensation for St. Louis to trade down one spot would be 1 future 1st round draft pick. Which means the Vikings asking price should be the 2014 1st and this year's 2nd round pick they got in that trade otherwise they shouldn't consider it.

Also, the reason Jake Long and Joe Thomas haven't helped their teams is because the leadership of those teams has been terrible for years. What about Matt Light? He wasn't a huge part of the Patriots' success? What about Walter Jones? He wasn't a big reason Seattle made the SB? What about Orlando Pace? It isn't a coincidence that St. Louis has been the only team capable of running Martz's constant 7 step drops with such success. How about we look no further than our own team's success? You think it was coincidence that Favre couldn't stay upright in his second season with us after Hutch got hurt and McKinney stopped giving a ####?

Ponder has got great mobility, but unless we want him to become David Carr we must protect his ###. The only situation I would accept missing out on Kalil would be if we got another 1st in next year's draft.
What about Matt Light? He was drafted in the second round.Walter Jones was drafted in '97. Didn't make the Super Bowl until the '05-'06 year.

Orlando Pace is an okay example. He was also drafted in '97 and made the Super Bowl two years later.

Look at the LTs of the Last six Super Bowl winners.

David Diehl - Round: 5 / Pick: 160

Chad Clifton - Round: 2 / Pick: 44

Jermon Bushrod - Round: 4 / Pick: 125

Max Starks - Round: 3 / Pick: 75 and Marvel Smith - Round: 2 / Pick: 38

Charlie Johnson - Round: 6 / Pick: 199

:shrug:

 
That list of LTs is a telling one. That said I think the same could be said about WRs. I look at Megatron, the lions draft him and go 0-16. Look at last years SB. Nicks was drafted in the first, but it was pick 29. Packers, saints, patriots ect don't spend top picks on WRs.

The bottom line between all these teams is they're finding good starters in late rounds. Heck they're blowing all sorts of first round selections, but it doesn't seem to matter. That's why I really don't care about our first pick. It's all about what these guys do in the later rounds.

Kalil will be a good LT, but a lot of scouts don't even project him to be as good as Pace or Jones. He certainly could be one of the top guys of the decade, but to have him in that kind of company is a tall order.

 
That's fine. Paying Vjax $12M or Garcon $8M per year is not my idea of a wise long term investment.

 
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This was pretty predictable. Ziggy is done spending until he gets his stadium. And like others mentioned, thats ok. Free agent results are often meh.

 
Come on Vikings give us something to get excited about! Re-signing Sage Rosenfels and Letroy Guion is not getting the juices flowing. Man I stayed up all night like a kid on Christmas Eve just hoping we would land a stud and in 8 hours of watching this free agent coverage I haven't even heard the Vikings mentioned at all.

 
That list of LTs is a telling one. That said I think the same could be said about WRs. I look at Megatron, the lions draft him and go 0-16. Look at last years SB. Nicks was drafted in the first, but it was pick 29. Packers, saints, patriots ect don't spend top picks on WRs.

The bottom line between all these teams is they're finding good starters in late rounds. Heck they're blowing all sorts of first round selections, but it doesn't seem to matter. That's why I really don't care about our first pick. It's all about what these guys do in the later rounds.

Kalil will be a good LT, but a lot of scouts don't even project him to be as good as Pace or Jones. He certainly could be one of the top guys of the decade, but to have him in that kind of company is a tall order.
So the scouts are not immediately predicting that Kalil will be a HOF type player? Just one of the top Ts of the decade? I guess he's not worth picking then.
 
I'm not opposed to the Vikings trading down. However, it would have to be worth it. If they trade down the the 6 spot they had better get a load of picks in return. Fair compensation for St. Louis to trade down one spot would be 1 future 1st round draft pick. Which means the Vikings asking price should be the 2014 1st and this year's 2nd round pick they got in that trade otherwise they shouldn't consider it.

Also, the reason Jake Long and Joe Thomas haven't helped their teams is because the leadership of those teams has been terrible for years. What about Matt Light? He wasn't a huge part of the Patriots' success? What about Walter Jones? He wasn't a big reason Seattle made the SB? What about Orlando Pace? It isn't a coincidence that St. Louis has been the only team capable of running Martz's constant 7 step drops with such success. How about we look no further than our own team's success? You think it was coincidence that Favre couldn't stay upright in his second season with us after Hutch got hurt and McKinney stopped giving a ####?

Ponder has got great mobility, but unless we want him to become David Carr we must protect his ###. The only situation I would accept missing out on Kalil would be if we got another 1st in next year's draft.
What about Matt Light? He was drafted in the second round.Walter Jones was drafted in '97. Didn't make the Super Bowl until the '05-'06 year.

Orlando Pace is an okay example. He was also drafted in '97 and made the Super Bowl two years later.

Look at the LTs of the Last six Super Bowl winners.

David Diehl - Round: 5 / Pick: 160

Chad Clifton - Round: 2 / Pick: 44

Jermon Bushrod - Round: 4 / Pick: 125

Max Starks - Round: 3 / Pick: 75 and Marvel Smith - Round: 2 / Pick: 38

Charlie Johnson - Round: 6 / Pick: 199

:shrug:
One of the justifications for taking a LT in the draft is that isn't one good one available in free agency. With the rookie salary cap the Vikes are getting a starting tackle at half the price of a good free agent (if there was one available). No question later round draft picks can develop into premier tackles but they need time and if they show any promise teams do not let them leave.

 
Well, we re-signed a backup DT and are hoping to get a guy who would be a backup TE to visit. BIG SPLASH!!!!!

Haha, well I guess Spielman's holding onto that cap room like it's his money. Maybe saving it to extend Jared and Percy?

Pressing question.... Who's playing guard next year? Charlie Johnson and????

 
I for one am not disappointed in the lack of action. The money that is being thrown around is nuts right now and there are way too many holes to fill on the roster to justify spending that much on 1 or 2 positions. That being said, As Dan Barrero said today on KFAN, this team needs to start hitting more doubles on late round picks and Undrafted FAs. He had a good example of the hated Packers. They do not get into the free agent rush, building through the draft instead. While they may not hit a homerun with every draft pick, they have hit a lot of doubles over the last few years.

 
I was hoping to get Meachem because I thought his skill set was exactly what they needed at WR, but I guess they don't see it that way. I can't say that I expected them to go after any of the players that signed yesterday. I thought they would pursue Carr or Finnegan but it doesn't sound like they want either of them. This team is more than one big free agent away and they have vowed to get younger so that is fine - as long as there is some kind of plan in place.

However, I would have to wonder if moving Jared Allen wouldn't be something to explore if the plan is to get younger and go into full rebuild mode. After the year he had, you would think they could fetch some good picks for him. I love Allen and would not be happy if he did leave but if the plan is to build in the draft and get younger, this is something they would have to at least be thinking about. Everson Griffen showed he has some explosiveness and Robison played well...

 
I was hoping to get Meachem because I thought his skill set was exactly what they needed at WR, but I guess they don't see it that way. I can't say that I expected them to go after any of the players that signed yesterday. I thought they would pursue Carr or Finnegan but it doesn't sound like they want either of them. This team is more than one big free agent away and they have vowed to get younger so that is fine - as long as there is some kind of plan in place. However, I would have to wonder if moving Jared Allen wouldn't be something to explore if the plan is to get younger and go into full rebuild mode. After the year he had, you would think they could fetch some good picks for him. I love Allen and would not be happy if he did leave but if the plan is to build in the draft and get younger, this is something they would have to at least be thinking about. Everson Griffen showed he has some explosiveness and Robison played well...
I've thought the same thing as you. If the Vikings are rebuilding their roster completely, then they have to consider moving him. He turns 30 next month and if the Vikings are 3-4 years away from competing, it makes no sense not to get the value for him now.
 
I think it signals that they're not going to pursue or draft any worthwhile wide receiver talent this year but will go with more two TE sets like the Patriots model.

Not necessarily a bad thing either.

Kalil will be the pick.

 
It looks like we are seeing the effects of so many teams having money to spend. $25 million for Carlson seems like a ton, but I hope it works out.

 
They had two TEs last year and didn't throw to them. Rudolph was extremely underutilized, especially given the fact that they had no WRs besides Harvin. I liked Carlson in SEA his rookie year. Better use them.

Barreiro has been saying to trade Allen too. I disagree. You need pass rushers and he's one of the best. He's also the heart and soul; never quits. With his MMA workouts he's got years left.

I was hoping for at least a few holes to be filled in FA. Hopefully they believe the Tier2 guys present value. With their spotty drafting I hate to rely solely on the Draft to fill holes.

 
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I also read that they deferred the 1.6 million "extra" cap dollars until 2013. That is a sign that they are going to take their time and make plays for FA's in the future. I know fans are upset but I see it as the smart thing to do.

 
They have no shot at winning this division in 2012 anyway. Why go sign a bunch of older high dollar FAs this year? Why not hold onto that cap space, move it to next year, and see what they get out of the draft? Then next year there is plenty of cap space to make the moves they need to become a contender. That's why I like the Kalil pick, improve that O-line and give them a year. They should do the same with the D-line imo, if one of the many excellent DTs are there in round 2 I wouldn't mind if they grabbed one of those guys and improved the D-line as well. They should go BPA the whole way through the draft and see how much talent they can get. They have 10 picks so I wouldn't mind seeing them work some trades for higher future picks as well. Sounds like fantasy but in todays NFL it's reality, just ask the Patriots.

 
Sounds like the Tannehill hype is beginning to grow...nothing but good things for the Vikings!!
How is that going to affect the Vikes? Someone willing to trade to #3 to draft him? Seems awfully unlikely.
I was just going off of this Peter King Tweet:
Peter King‏@SI_PeterKingMiami may not get OC Mike Sherman's college QB, Tannehill, staying at 8. How incredible that you might have to trade into top 4 to get him.
 
I'm just not a fan of the Carlson signing, because of the money involved as well as his similarity to Rudolph. Both are great receivers, neither great blockers. I think less money could have been spent for a more balanced TE to complement Rudolph.

I'm floored that Cook was found not guilty, although I really shouldn't be. Amazing what money for quality lawyers can do for oneself. I'm interested to see what the Vikings do with him now, considering their need for CB's coupled with how the fanbase views him (not favorably).

 
If Cleveland wants Tannehill and they are not willing to risk another team trading ahead of them the Vikings could drop down to 4 and still get Kahil.

Possibly a 2nd round pick for that security? Seems like something like this could happen in light of the St Louis/Redskins deal.

I am interested in the Vikings taking a look at former Colts MLB Gary Brackett. He may come at a reasonable price and plays pretty well in the scheme.

I was also reading Jerome Simpson might be a WR for the Vikings in speculation. I'm not sure if he will be an answer but might be in our price range.

I think the Carlson signing is an upgrade from last year as long as he is healthy. Improved protection should help the TEs get out on routes once in awhile instead of both tackles needing help all the time.

I would really like to see the Vikings get a veteran safety, they need at least 2 free agent defensive backs. There is not one on the roster I have confidence in being starting quality.

 
I think the Cook news is big...he was playing well last season and hopefully the way the team handled it will help lessen the blow from the commish...

 
I think the Cook news is big...he was playing well last season and hopefully the way the team handled it will help lessen the blow from the commish...
Given that he was found not guilty and, as you said, with the way the Vikes handled it, the commish may feel that hes already been punished enough.
 
I'm just not a fan of the Carlson signing, because of the money involved as well as his similarity to Rudolph. Both are great receivers, neither great blockers. I think less money could have been spent for a more balanced TE to complement Rudolph.

I'm floored that Cook was found not guilty, although I really shouldn't be. Amazing what money for quality lawyers can do for oneself. I'm interested to see what the Vikings do with him now, considering their need for CB's coupled with how the fanbase views him (not favorably).
Maybe he was on the expensive side but I understand the move. This year tight end draft class is mediocre. I think that increases Carlson's value. It doesn't preclude the Vikings from taking a blocking tight end late in the draft - a prospect like Evan Rodriguez could be a fit.
 
Let the NFL draft smokescreens begin:

Draft tip sheet: Vikings reportedly not sold on Trojans OT Kalil at No. 3 slot

Excerpt:

With the top two picks in the draft pretty well set, quarterbacks Andrew Luck of Stanford and Baylor's Robert Griffin III in some order, it's been pretty popular in most circles to assume that Minnesota, with the third overall choice, will pounce on Southern Cal left offensive tackle Matt Kalil.

Such a move certainly would bolster the blindside protection of young starting quarterback Christian Ponder, but also allow the Vikings to move Charles Johnson inside to left guard, probably his better position, as the replacement for Steve Hutchinson, who was released earlier this week.

But a Vikings official insisted to The Sports Xchange that no decision has been made, and that there is still considerable debate about the No. 3 slot.

Although the official didn't acknowledge it, some of the debate is thought to focus on the team's crying need at cornerback, and the viability of LSU's Morris Claiborne in the No. 3 spot. Minnesota ranked No. 26 in defense versus the pass in 2011, and its eight interceptions tied for the league low.

The corner-needy Vikings used eight different starters, and seven different starting combinations, at the position. The team has five cornerbacks on its roster and, after the aging and increasingly brittle Antoine Winfield (158 starts), only Allen Asher (21) has more than eight regular-season starts.

Of course, with Washington dealing up to the second overall spot in the recent blockbuster trade, Minnesota's third slot could be in play now, although it's believed the Vikings haven't had any substantive inquiries yet about it. None are likely to come until closer to the draft.

"But some people here love (Claiborne)," the official said. "I mean really love him."

After a four-year absence from the top 10, there has been a cornerback chosen among the top 10 guys off the board the past two years. Whether he goes to the Vikings or someone else, Claiborne will extend the streak to two months.

Claiborne is regarded as the most natural corner in the draft. Although he ran in the 4.45-4.52 range at the combine, he plays even faster, and is maybe more technically sound than Patrick Peterson, the former LSU cornerback chosen by Arizona last year as the fifth overall pick. It will be interesting to see if Claiborne runs the 40 at LSU's pro day on March 22.

There figures to be a strong Vikings contingent in attendance, as there was at the campus workout for Oklahoma State junior wide receiver Justin Blackmon. He met immediately after his workout with coach Leslie Frazier and officials from the team, the first of many scheduled appointments on his tour of NFL facilities in the next six weeks.
 
I like Claiborne a lot too. He and Cook would be a solid 1,2 punch at CB for years to come, but what would our line look like if we did that? We would need to pick up a decent FA or two along the Oline for me to feel comfortable with them passing on Kalil. So far it looks like they have no plans to do so.

 
They would be stupid to pass on Kalil.

Welcome to the Vikings Morris Claiborne!

 
Carolina Panthers free agent offensive lineman Geoff Schwartz is scheduled to visit the Minnesota Vikings on Monday, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

 
I hope so, but there have been a TON of rumors/discussions all over the radio in regards to their :wub: for Claiborne.. I just hope if they truly have decided on Claiborne, then they at least trade down a few spots, pick up a draft pick or two and THEN take Claiborne.

If they take Claiborne at #3 there will be so many :angry: people they might need to pack up the team and move elsewhere just to avoid the wrath.

 
I hope so, but there have been a TON of rumors/discussions all over the radio in regards to their :wub: for Claiborne.. I just hope if they truly have decided on Claiborne, then they at least trade down a few spots, pick up a draft pick or two and THEN take Claiborne.

If they take Claiborne at #3 there will be so many :angry: people they might need to pack up the team and move elsewhere just to avoid the wrath.
I think Claiborne is a great player and would be a great selection, but if they are going to play the Cover-2 they better get some safeties because if teams go deep, it is the safeties that are responsible for those areas and that is where they got burned last year.
 
I like Claiborne a lot too. He and Cook would be a solid 1,2 punch at CB for years to come, but what would our line look like if we did that? We would need to pick up a decent FA or two along the Oline for me to feel comfortable with them passing on Kalil. So far it looks like they have no plans to do so.
I'm reserving some judgement on Claiborne until after his workout, but I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Kalil then Blackmon.I don't care what we do to fix our CB but Cook will never be a solid 1,2 punch with anyone. Chris Cook has no future in the NFL. People do change, so here's my hope that he will. He came onto this team as a major character liability and nothing has changed so far. He's a PoS that manipulated our justice system. He may have been found not guilty by a jury, but we all know that he was guilty.How do you guys feel about cheering for a guy that strangled a woman to the point where he left finger imprints and burst her eardrums?Pretty shocked at how everyone is like, "well he's been punished enough" or just ignoring how much of a total PoS Cook is because it benefits the football team.
 
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Pretty shocked at how everyone is like, "well he's been punished enough" or just ignoring how much of a total PoS Cook is because it benefits the football team.
I guess the point I was trying to make is that I was very happy with how the Vikings handled the situation. There aren't many teams that would have sat him out for the season (especially the way the season ended up going) and let the courts settle the matter. I just don't think the team should be punished twice for doing it the right way.
 
How do you guys feel about cheering for a guy that strangled a woman to the point where he left finger imprints and burst her eardrums?
Well come on now, since it was self defense, think of how beat up he could have gotten if he wasn't a professional athlete? :sarcasm:
Right!? That's the funniest part(as in so freaking sad and messed up). He admits to hitting her in self defense, but someone else must have choked the sht out of her after cause like she and he said "he didn't." I'm still kinda shocked he got off.@FP: I agree that the vikings handled things up until now perfectly and it remains to be seen how they react from here. They need to cut ties as soon as possible. If they can get a third, they need to do it. We've seen before that team punishments often mean nothing in Rodger's eyes. If it's not this specific incident that they get punished for again it'll be something else. If they keep him then I think they're flying too close to the sun and they will get burned one way or another.
 
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@FP: I agree that the vikings handled things up until now perfectly and it remains to be seen how they react from here. They need to cut ties as soon as possible. If they can get a third, they need to do it. We've seen before that team punishments often mean nothing in Rodger's eyes. If it's not this specific incident that they get punished for again it'll be something else. If they keep him then I think they're flying too close to the sun and they will get burned one way or another.
Wishful thinking. I don't think he will fetch much or anything in a trade. Vikings have to make the most of a bad situation. If he doesn't smart up and becomes a distraction, the vikings should cut him.
 
I'm reserving some judgement on Claiborne until after his workout, but I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Kalil then Blackmon.

I don't care what we do to fix our CB but Cook will never be a solid 1,2 punch with anyone. Chris Cook has no future in the NFL. People do change, so here's my hope that he will. He came onto this team as a major character liability and nothing has changed so far. He's a PoS that manipulated our justice system. He may have been found not guilty by a jury, but we all know that he was guilty.

How do you guys feel about cheering for a guy that strangled a woman to the point where he left finger imprints and burst her eardrums?

Pretty shocked at how everyone is like, "well he's been punished enough" or just ignoring how much of a total PoS Cook is because it benefits the football team.
Remind me to ask you who the fantasy leaders will be. I'm sure you KNOW that too.

 

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