*** OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings offseason thread (1 Viewer)

[Donnybrook]

I have to bite my tongue every time I see Harrison Smith in a mock. The problem I have is still with our corners. I consider Chris Cook a complete bust until he proves something on the field and Winfield hasn't been playing as a #2 corner in a while. Vikings have been using him almost exclusively as a nickel back. I may have to remind people how bad the Vikings were against the pass:

The Vikings' struggles on defense this year, particularly in the passing game, were well-documented this year. Opposing passers had an astonishing 107.6 passer rating, easily tops in the league. They passed for over 4,000 yards with 34 touchdowns and just eight interceptions.

http://www.vikings10...etely-obsolete/I will be disappointed if we don't get a corner with ball skills in the second or later (ie Horsley, Hayward, etc). IMO, Smith is better against the run than the pass. Nice player but not the position the Vikings need most.

 

[Herb]

I have to bite my tongue every time I see Harrison Smith in a mock. The problem I have is still with our corners. I consider Chris Cook a complete bust until he proves something on the field and Winfield hasn't been playing as a #2 corner in a while. Vikings have been using him almost exclusively as a nickel back. I may have to remind people how bad the Vikings were against the pass:

The Vikings' struggles on defense this year, particularly in the passing game, were well-documented this year. Opposing passers had an astonishing 107.6 passer rating, easily tops in the league. They passed for over 4,000 yards with 34 touchdowns and just eight interceptions.

http://www.vikings10...etely-obsolete/I will be disappointed if we don't get a corner with ball skills in the second or later (ie Horsley, Hayward, etc). IMO, Smith is better against the run than the pass. Nice player but not the position the Vikings need most.

I'm not sold that the "Tampa 2" (I hate that moniker, Dungy and Kiffin ran it in MN before they ever took it to TB but whatever, it's just my Viking fan inferiority complex) is some defunct, obsolete scheme that the NFL has passed by. With the passing games being what they are nowadays I would argue that a properly coached and talented cover 2 can still be an incredibly effective D. I mean, creating havoc with the front four and playing coverage in the back 7 is pretty much the winning blueprint, right?Note the bolded to understand what the Vikings (and Colts, and Bucs) problems were on defense last year. Those respective teams offenses didn't do them any favors either. Bad examples by the author of that article.

 

[Faust]

With Ponder in place, Vikings need to draft LT Matt Kalil

By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior NFL Columnist

We know what Indianapolis and Washington will do with the first two picks of the NFL Draft, and I can tell you what Minnesota should do with the third -- because, like Indianapolis and Washington, the Vikings have no decision to make.

The choice is a slam-dunk, and the slam-dunk is Matt Kalil.

Kalil is the best tackle in the draft and one of its best three or four prospects. More important, he's a left tackle whose strength is pass blocking, which means he's the ideal choice for Minnesota. Reason: The Vikings need someone to protect the blind side of quarterback Christian Ponder, and Kalil is that someone.

Look, if you're going to build your club on the shoulders of a promising young quarterback -- and the Vikings are trying -- you do what you can to protect him. Kalil is the best offensive lineman in this year's draft, so connect the dots.

"Unless [the Vikings] get a real strong offer at 3 to move out of there," former Indianapolis president Bill Polian said, "I think they'll stay right where they are and get him."

Good. They should.

Nevertheless, there's a debate going on as to whom makes more sense for Minnesota -- Kalil or LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne -- and you don't have to look far to see why. The Vikings not only have one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL; they play in a division with Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford and Jay Cutler -- and if you can't defend them you're doomed to fail.

My guess is the Vikings probably are doomed, anyway, this season, but this isn't about 2012. This is about the next five to 10 years. This is about doing what's best for a franchise that's been the division doormat the past two seasons, and doing what's best for the Vikings is giving Ponder the weapons and protection he needs to help him succeed.

The Vikings have a head start on the weapons. They have the franchise running back in Adrian Peterson, and they have a franchise wide receiver in Percy Harvin. What they don't have is an offensive line to protect quarterback Christian Ponder, and choosing a bodyguard like Kalil goes a long way toward solving a front five that surrendered 49 sacks last season and was about as airtight as the S.S. Minnow.

The value of protection for a young quarterback cannot be overstated, and I offer St. Louis as Exhibit A. Sam Bradford was one of the league's promising young quarterbacks as a rookie, yet he and the Rams regressed last season, and I can tell you why in one word: Protection. He didn't have it.

His offensive line sprung unexpected leaks, his receivers couldn’t catch and Bradford became a piñata. The result was predictable: Everyone suffered. Bradford missed six starts, his completion percentage dropped, his passer rating dropped and his confidence took a hit. But he wasn't alone. St. Louis lost all but two games, and the team's head coach and GM lost their jobs.

Now look at the clubs that were successful in 2011. More specifically, look at last year's conference championship games. All four teams had quarterbacks that didn't miss a start. That should tell you something about the value of protecting that position, and what it tells Minnesota is loud and clear.

DRAFT MATT KALIL.

As poor as the Vikings were defending the pass in 2011, they were worse throwing it. They ranked 28th, and that can happen when you start a rookie at the most important position. But there should be improvement -- and considerable improvement -- the second season, with Eli Manning a textbook example. In his first season, he was 1-6 and had one game with a 0.0 passer rating. In his second, he led the Giants to the playoffs.

Ponder may not be Manning, but he's talented enough that the Vikings think they can win with him. That means that, along with Peterson, he becomes a foundation of an offense that needs to move forward to keep up with the rest of the NFC North. It also means the Vikings must do what they can to protect him.

"Coming out of the season," coach Leslie Frazier said of Ponder, "it felt like we had a guy who has a chance to be something special for the long term. He's got the qualities you look for in a quarterback, and we expect him to take big leaps as a leader of our offense and our team over time. We really expect him to take off and be a much improved quarterback."

It's not often you have an opportunity to draft a franchise left tackle, and when you do you don't waste it. Look at Miami in the 2008 draft. It made Jake Long the first overall pick. A year earlier, Cleveland made Joe Thomas the third. In 2010, Washington made Trent Williams the fourth choice.

I know, none of those clubs had much success, but they didn't really settle on a quarterback, either. Minnesota has. So give him the protection he didn't have a year ago. Give him Matt Kalil.

 

[Biabreakable]

I have to bite my tongue every time I see Harrison Smith in a mock. The problem I have is still with our corners. I consider Chris Cook a complete bust until he proves something on the field and Winfield hasn't been playing as a #2 corner in a while. Vikings have been using him almost exclusively as a nickel back. I may have to remind people how bad the Vikings were against the pass:

The Vikings' struggles on defense this year, particularly in the passing game, were well-documented this year. Opposing passers had an astonishing 107.6 passer rating, easily tops in the league. They passed for over 4,000 yards with 34 touchdowns and just eight interceptions.

http://www.vikings10...etely-obsolete/I will be disappointed if we don't get a corner with ball skills in the second or later (ie Horsley, Hayward, etc). IMO, Smith is better against the run than the pass. Nice player but not the position the Vikings need most.

From what I have been reading about Smith is he is the best coverage safety in the draft. If that is true and he is available I think that makes him a very good option, perhaps better than the corners available @ pick 35. We actually need a safety much more than a corner. We have nothing at safety. Mistral Raymond? Yeah it is that bad. At least we signed 2 corners who are actually good enough to start for other teams in the league. Chris Carr is not who I want to be our best corner by any means but at least he and Bowman are upgrades from last year. It's something. We got jack n squat at safety.

The Bears have proven to be much better than the Vikings have been at evaluating defensive backs. Zackary Bowman lost his starting job to better talent but he is an upgrade for us.

We need 2 safeties still and in my opinion we need a safety more than a corner. The cover 2 does not work unless you have safeties who can make plays and be where they need to be.

Now if there is a corner who is clearly better than Smith when the Vikings are on the clock (very unlikely)then sure you take the better player. However the way things look now I kind of doubt even Smith will be there, but if he is I would be happy for the Vikings to pick him.

 

[Donnybrook]

I have to bite my tongue every time I see Harrison Smith in a mock. The problem I have is still with our corners. I consider Chris Cook a complete bust until he proves something on the field and Winfield hasn't been playing as a #2 corner in a while. Vikings have been using him almost exclusively as a nickel back. I may have to remind people how bad the Vikings were against the pass:

The Vikings' struggles on defense this year, particularly in the passing game, were well-documented this year. Opposing passers had an astonishing 107.6 passer rating, easily tops in the league. They passed for over 4,000 yards with 34 touchdowns and just eight interceptions.

http://www.vikings10...etely-obsolete/I will be disappointed if we don't get a corner with ball skills in the second or later (ie Horsley, Hayward, etc). IMO, Smith is better against the run than the pass. Nice player but not the position the Vikings need most.

From what I have been reading about Smith is he is the best coverage safety in the draft. If that is true and he is available I think that makes him a very good option, perhaps better than the corners available @ pick 35. We actually need a safety much more than a corner. We have nothing at safety. Mistral Raymond? Yeah it is that bad. At least we signed 2 corners who are actually good enough to start for other teams in the league. Chris Carr is not who I want to be our best corner by any means but at least he and Bowman are upgrades from last year. It's something. We got jack n squat at safety.

The Bears have proven to be much better than the Vikings have been at evaluating defensive backs. Zackary Bowman lost his starting job to better talent but he is an upgrade for us.

We need 2 safeties still and in my opinion we need a safety more than a corner. The cover 2 does not work unless you have safeties who can make plays and be where they need to be.

Now if there is a corner who is clearly better than Smith when the Vikings are on the clock (very unlikely)then sure you take the better player. However the way things look now I kind of doubt even Smith will be there, but if he is I would be happy for the Vikings to pick him.

I do not see Bowman and Carr as starters. Good corners do not sign contracts close to the league minimum. They are special teamers and hopefully backups. I don't hate Harrison Smith but I don't like taking him at 35. Obviously, It means we will have to forego getting a 2nd round CB or WR. My assumption is that it is harder to find a diamond in rough at CB or WR then safety.I guess I have to get used to the idea that the the front office can't cover all the holes on this team in a single draft.

BTW: I actually wish Abdullah would re-sign. He was, IMO, the Vikings best player in their secondary.

 

[Red Forman]

Jeez AE who pissed in your cheerios today? All fair-weather fans jumped ship early to beat the traffic.

Andy was being a #####. He is a so so fan like urbanhack. And he needed the beat down.

Link?

You said my thread about the Vikes out playing the Saints in the 2009 NFC game is an embarrasement... What kind of Vikings fan are you?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What kind of Vikings fan are you?

The sane kind?

 

[the turnip]

Unity my brothers!

 

[datonn]

Unity my brothers!

This thread has been hijacked with junior-high-aged-boy testosterone about as bad as the local forums in MSP get. i.e. KFAN.com's Rube Chat...which is either Green Bay Packer fans being their usual ##### selves kicking Vikings fans when they are down, or guys calling each other morons because one wants Justin Blackmon to be drafted at 1.03 and will shout-down anyone who says Kalil is the smarter choice...while the other says the Vikings should trade the 1.03 for 18 first-round picks, LFitz, and Jerry Rice in his prime. Cuz you know...he's smarter than the Vikings front office. AKA maybe the respective "morons" are staring back at everyone in the discussion in the mirror. Seriously, if guys really need to have an "I'm a bigger fan" contest, move to Green Bay, where a styrofoam piece of cheese on your head, pleasure yourself to pictures of Aaron Rodgers (or Brett Favre, if you're middle aged, or Lombardi/Starr, if you're getting ready for the nursing home), drink beer and bowl for a living (when you're not out hunting, lighting bonfires astronauts can see from space, and vandalizing other people's property). Don't stoop to Packer fans' levels of sadness when it comes to painting your house purple and gold while naming your kids "Bud," "Fran," or "Ahmad." It's okay to love the Vikings...I think most of us in this thread do! But seriously: "I'm a bigger Vikings fan?!" "I'll insult strange women in bars for donning Packer gear?" Are you guys still 13-14 years old?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Unity my brothers!

This thread has been hijacked with junior-high-aged-boy testosterone about as bad as the local forums in MSP get. i.e. KFAN.com's Rube Chat...which is either Green Bay Packer fans being their usual ##### selves Vikings kicking fans when they are down, or guys calling each other morons because one wants Justin Blackmon to be drafted at 1.03 and will shout-down anyone who says Kalil is the smarter choice...while the other says the Vikings should trade the 1.03 for 18 first-round picks, LFitz, and Jerry Rice in his prime. Cuz you know...he's smarter than the Vikings front office. AKA maybe the respective "morons" are staring back at everyone in the discussion in the mirror. Seriously, if guys really need to have an "I'm a bigger fan" contest, move to Green Bay, where a styrofoam piece of cheese on your head, pleasure yourself to pictures of Aaron Rodgers (or Brett Favre, if you're old-school), drink beer and bowl for a living (when you're not out hunting, lighting bonfires astronauts can see from space, and vandalizing other people's property). Don't stoop to Packer fans' levels of sadness when it comes to painting your house purple and gold while naming your kids "Bud," "Fran," or "Ahmad." It's okay to love the Vikings...I think most of us in this thread do! But seriously: "I'm a bigger Vikings fan?!" "I'll insult strange women in bars for donning Packer gear?" Are you guys still 13-14 years old?

There's only one guy doing any of that.

 

[datonn]

Unity my brothers!

This thread has been hijacked with junior-high-aged-boy testosterone about as bad as the local forums in MSP get. i.e. KFAN.com's Rube Chat...which is either Green Bay Packer fans being their usual ##### selves Vikings kicking fans when they are down, or guys calling each other morons because one wants Justin Blackmon to be drafted at 1.03 and will shout-down anyone who says Kalil is the smarter choice...while the other says the Vikings should trade the 1.03 for 18 first-round picks, LFitz, and Jerry Rice in his prime. Cuz you know...he's smarter than the Vikings front office. AKA maybe the respective "morons" are staring back at everyone in the discussion in the mirror. Seriously, if guys really need to have an "I'm a bigger fan" contest, move to Green Bay, where a styrofoam piece of cheese on your head, pleasure yourself to pictures of Aaron Rodgers (or Brett Favre, if you're old-school), drink beer and bowl for a living (when you're not out hunting, lighting bonfires astronauts can see from space, and vandalizing other people's property). Don't stoop to Packer fans' levels of sadness when it comes to painting your house purple and gold while naming your kids "Bud," "Fran," or "Ahmad." It's okay to love the Vikings...I think most of us in this thread do! But seriously: "I'm a bigger Vikings fan?!" "I'll insult strange women in bars for donning Packer gear?" Are you guys still 13-14 years old?

There's only one guy doing any of that.

One guy, but 4-5 aliases...

 

[Herb]

Good article on Spielman

This guy definitely deserves a couple of years to right the ship, IMO

 

[Red Forman]

What kind of Vikings fan are you?

The sane kind?

Fair weather reporting kind, more like it..

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What kind of Vikings fan are you?

The sane kind?

Fair weather reporting kind, more like it..

If it makes you feel better about yourself...

 

[Red Forman]

What kind of Vikings fan are you?

The sane kind?

Fair weather reporting kind, more like it..

If it makes you feel better about yourself...

No, it doesnt. Urbanhack fans like you I can do with out.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What kind of Vikings fan are you?

The sane kind?

Fair weather reporting kind, more like it..

If it makes you feel better about yourself...

No, it doesnt. Urbanhack fans like you I can do with out.

How is it that you're "doing with" me?

 

[Red Forman]

Unity my brothers!

Fine. If Andy admits that we out played the Saints in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and accepts my motto, "#### the Saints!", I will accept him as a legit fan again.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Unity my brothers!

Fine. If Andy admits that we out played the Saints in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and accepts my motto, "#### the Saints!", I will accept him as a legit fan again.

Since "play" includes turnovers and scoreboards, I'm afraid I can't agree on the first. As for the second...yeah, "#### the Saints." I never really liked them anyway.

 

[daveR]

Unity my brothers!

Fine. If Andy admits that we out played the Saints in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and accepts my motto, "#### the Saints!", I will accept him as a legit fan again.

Since "play" includes turnovers and scoreboards, I'm afraid I can't agree on the first. As for the second...yeah, "#### the Saints." I never really liked them anyway.

By this definition, only the winners can play best. One could never outplay an opponent and lose.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Unity my brothers!

Fine. If Andy admits that we out played the Saints in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and accepts my motto, "#### the Saints!", I will accept him as a legit fan again.

Since "play" includes turnovers and scoreboards, I'm afraid I can't agree on the first. As for the second...yeah, "#### the Saints." I never really liked them anyway.

By this definition, only the winners can play best. One could never outplay an opponent and lose.

That would be the definition...if all I said was scoreboards. But negatives like turnovers, especially multiple ones, often have much greater weight than good plays. So no, in this case the Vikings did not outplay the Saints. In balance, they stood toe to toe, but didn't outplay them.

 

[Red Forman]

Unity my brothers!

Fine. If Andy admits that we out played the Saints in the 2009 NFC Championship game, and accepts my motto, "#### the Saints!", I will accept him as a legit fan again.

Since "play" includes turnovers and scoreboards, I'm afraid I can't agree on the first. As for the second...yeah, "#### the Saints." I never really liked them anyway.

By this definition, only the winners can play best. One could never outplay an opponent and lose.

That would be the definition...if all I said was scoreboards. But negatives like turnovers, especially multiple ones, often have much greater weight than good plays. So no, in this case the Vikings did not outplay the Saints. In balance, they stood toe to toe, but didn't outplay them.

The scoreboard was tied going into OT. Despite 5 turnovers. What if we won the coin toss?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The scoreboard was tied going into OT. Despite 5 turnovers. What if we won the coin toss?

Then they would have had the chance to win.

 

[Red Forman]

The scoreboard was tied going into OT. Despite 5 turnovers. What if we won the coin toss?

Then they would have had the chance to win.

Exactly. So how can you talk about turnovers or the scoreboard, when it was even going into OT. Saints won the coin toss, hence, got lucky.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why not give the Vikes the 1975 NFCC?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197512280min.htm

And the 1998 NFCC?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901170min.htm

I'd also like to see the Browns get the three AFCC's which they deserved because they outplayed the other team too:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801170den.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198701110cle.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198101040cle.htm

Also, the Saints were really NFCC champs in 2011 because they should have homefield throughout the playoffs:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201009260nor.htm

And they really deserved the 1983 NFCW crown because they really outplayed the Rams that year but lost because of a stupid kicker, that didn't count:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198312180nor.htm

Why stop at the 2009 NFCCG? Can we just re-divvy up all the championships "won" since 1919? Thank you.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

We already have a thread for this nonsense, right?

 

[Red Forman]

Why not give the Vikes the 1975 NFCC?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197512280min.htmAnd the 1998 NFCC?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901170min.htmI'd also like to see the Browns get the three AFCC's which they deserved because they outplayed the other team too:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801170den.htmhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198701110cle.htmhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198101040cle.htmAlso, the Saints were really NFCC champs in 2011 because they should have homefield throughout the playoffs:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201009260nor.htmAnd they really deserved the 1983 NFCW crown because they really outplayed the Rams that year but lost because of a stupid kicker, that didn't count:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198312180nor.htmWhy stop at the 2009 NFCCG? Can we just re-divvy up all the championships "won" since 1919? Thank you.

Get the #### out of our thread, lucky ### doosh! #### the Saints!!!

 

[daveR]

Why not give the Vikes the 1975 NFCC?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197512280min.htmAnd the 1998 NFCC?http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199901170min.htmI'd also like to see the Browns get the three AFCC's which they deserved because they outplayed the other team too:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198801170den.htmhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198701110cle.htmhttp://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198101040cle.htmAlso, the Saints were really NFCC champs in 2011 because they should have homefield throughout the playoffs:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201009260nor.htmAnd they really deserved the 1983 NFCW crown because they really outplayed the Rams that year but lost because of a stupid kicker, that didn't count:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198312180nor.htmWhy stop at the 2009 NFCCG? Can we just re-divvy up all the championships "won" since 1919? Thank you.

Get the #### out of our thread, lucky ### doosh! #### the Saints!!!

 

[SWC]

so lets see what the girls at the hair salon are up to today oh hey they are catfighting with eachotehr shocking i guess that is what life on the tough streets of st paul is like forget compton st paul is worse forget nwa around st paul they have stylists with attitude swa is what they say up there its like this Straight outta st paul crazy nonbrohan named red foreman From the gang called stylists With Attitudes When I'm called off I got a blonde highlights off Squeeze the scissors and extra bangs are hauled off man you nancies are tough i hope i am never in an airport with a green bay shirt on or else you will be mean to me and then brag about it on a message board doesnt artic edge have kids fine role model i guess that is what it takes to be a viqueens fan stay super super guys nonbrohans and remember to take it to the beauty aisle and let us know what the best new shampoo and rinse is

 

[Herb]

so lets see what the girls at the hair salon are up to today oh hey they are catfighting with eachotehr shocking i guess that is what life on the tough streets of st paul is like forget compton st paul is worse forget nwa around st paul they have stylists with attitude swa is what they say up there its like this Straight outta st paul crazy nonbrohan named red foreman From the gang called stylists With Attitudes When I'm called off I got a blonde highlights off Squeeze the scissors and extra bangs are hauled off man you nancies are tough i hope i am never in an airport with a green bay shirt on or else you will be mean to me and then brag about it on a message board doesnt artic edge have kids fine role model i guess that is what it takes to be a viqueens fan stay super super guys nonbrohans and remember to take it to the beauty aisle and let us know what the best new shampoo and rinse is

I enjoy your posts because of the entertainment value (NWA references are always welcome) and because you make it so much easier to hate Packer fans, but please for the love of christ go back to 2nd grade and learn how to use punctuation and capitals. You seriously give the rudest, dumbest, drunkenest Packer fans a bad name. Paging Carl Gerbschmidt...Can we get back to the Viking thread now?

 

[SWC]

hey sorry horb i didnt mean to ruin your day i guess you could have just not read my crappy typed and punctuated post i guess i really let you down my bad brohan but at least i am serving a purpose to the universe today by making some other dudes look really smart and thats one to grow on the more you know so my karma points are about one million right now so you know the more i type here horb the better i am feeling so maybe you are te one viqueen fan with a soul congrats my main brohan from the mean streets of st paul and you can in fact take it to the bank which is my highest ranking

 

[RustyFA4]

I think the Vikes are at least two drafts and another offeseason away from competing, so take Kalil then trade down a little and take the best players possible. We are so far away that we just need to take bpa.

 

[Herb]

So now what?

Are we screwed?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.

We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.

People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.

We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

 

[snogger]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.

We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.

People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.

We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

Not right now.. But after last nights "F U" vote I can almost guarantee the Wilf's are getting phone calls and are looking into other avenues. At this point I'm letting myself believe they will be gone..

If by some miracle they get a stadium then I'll be

But if Minnesota continues down this path of self destruction I won't be as distraught as I would be right now.

After last night I'd raise the Vikings leaving in the next two years to 60%..

 

[mozzy84]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.

We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.

People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.

We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

Not right now.. But after last nights "F U" vote I can almost guarantee the Wilf's are getting phone calls and are looking into other avenues. At this point I'm letting myself believe they will be gone..

If by some miracle they get a stadium then I'll be

But if Minnesota continues down this path of self destruction I won't be as distraught as I would be right now.

After last night I'd raise the Vikings leaving in the next two years to 60%..

I can't blame Ziggy if he does move the team now. That team brings tons of money into the state, I don't get it....

 

[Herb]

The line of logic that givs me a bit of comfort is that this is an election year and the team has nowhere to go. So once we get through the 2012 election cycle, will the lawmakers be more willing to support the stadium without having re-election hanging over their heads?

This situation really sucks cuz I don't think I believe in building the stadium via taxpayer dollars-- but if the Vikes leave MN... well that would really be sucky, to put it mildly.

 

[griff321]

So PA on KFAN is talking about framing the last schedule that's being released, because that may be the last home games in MN. I've never heard the eternal optimist so pessimistic. It's depressing.

 

[daveR]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

I think the reason is that people are tired of giving our tax money to people who are already filthy rich. How many schools could be rebuilt for the same money?

 

[snogger]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

I think the reason is that people are tired of giving our tax money to people who are already filthy rich. How many schools could be rebuilt for the same money?

you do realize how much money is brought into the state with the team here.. Not just taxes but the 8+ games at home brings in money as the teams are in town staying at hotels, eating at restaurants, etc..Say to those tax dollars, and look forward to higher taxes on all to make up for the lost revenue..Why do you think cities like St. Louis and Houston did everything they could to bring teams back in after they lost their franchise?

 

[griff321]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

I think the reason is that people are tired of giving our tax money to people who are already filthy rich. How many schools could be rebuilt for the same money?

Cmon Dave the Vikings don't really apply to the old study of entertainment dollars are spent regardless of a team or not. We regularly draw fans from at least four other states and two provinces. Do you really think these people make the trip for the Walker and Guthrie? Also places that were funded through tax dollars.

 

[mozzy84]

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — If the Minnesota Vikings left Minnesota, there would be a loss to the economy both directly and indirectly. But how severe that loss is depends on your perspective. So, how much do Vikings players pay in income taxes? According to the team, Vikings players paid $10 million in state withholding taxes in 2010. Staff and coaches paid $1.5 million. Also, visiting NFL players pay a percentage of their salary in income tax to Minnesota, in 2010 that came to about $1 million. How much does the state make in game day taxes? In 2010, tickets led to $3 million in sales taxes. Tickets also provided $4.4 million in an admissions tax that goes to the sports commission. Also, the sales and use tax on merchandise sales in the stadium was $100,000. Concession sales led to $400,000 in tax receipts. Liquor led to $300,000 in 2010, along with city of Minneapolis liquor taxes of $200,000. The total in direct contributions from the Vikings games to Minnesota is about $21.5 million. If the state paid $650 million for a new stadium in Arden Hills, it would take 31 years to recoup that money, at a rate of $21.5 million per year. • What kind of impact does each game have on other businesses? The University of Minnesota extension service did an analysis of the impact of a 2010 Vikings playoff game, and put that amount at about $5.8 million. They only include the 25,000 out-of-metro visitors to the games, because economists believe that local residents would simply shift their spending to other activities rather than stop the spending entirely if the Vikings left. In that playoff game, visitors spent $1.5 million on restaurants, $1.4 million on hotels, $1.2 million on retail, along with $720,000 on entertainment, $657,000 on transportation, and $211,000 on parking. For a regular season game, the impact would likely be less than the money spent on one playoff game, according to researchers. Still, $50 million would be a sizable impact for 10 dates. To compare that to other local events: Meet Minneapolis said the 2011 American Legion convention brought 12,000 people to town, with an economic impact $13.572 million. In economic impact, Minnesota would need four of those major conventions to equal an entire season of Vikings games

this is older but it serves the purpose, they would be fools to let the team leave, like I said I don't get it....all these politicians need to go.http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/good-question-how-much-will-minn-lose-if-vikings-leave/

 

[Andy Dufresne]

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — If the Minnesota Vikings left Minnesota, there would be a loss to the economy both directly and indirectly. But how severe that loss is depends on your perspective.

So, how much do Vikings players pay in income taxes?

According to the team, Vikings players paid $10 million in state withholding taxes in 2010. Staff and coaches paid $1.5 million. Also, visiting NFL players pay a percentage of their salary in income tax to Minnesota, in 2010 that came to about $1 million.

How much does the state make in game day taxes?

In 2010, tickets led to $3 million in sales taxes. Tickets also provided $4.4 million in an admissions tax that goes to the sports commission.

Also, the sales and use tax on merchandise sales in the stadium was $100,000. Concession sales led to $400,000 in tax receipts. Liquor led to $300,000 in 2010, along with city of Minneapolis liquor taxes of $200,000.

The total in direct contributions from the Vikings games to Minnesota is about $21.5 million.

If the state paid $650 million for a new stadium in Arden Hills, it would take 31 years to recoup that money, at a rate of $21.5 million per year.

• What kind of impact does each game have on other businesses?

The University of Minnesota extension service did an analysis of the impact of a 2010 Vikings playoff game, and put that amount at about $5.8 million.

They only include the 25,000 out-of-metro visitors to the games, because economists believe that local residents would simply shift their spending to other activities rather than stop the spending entirely if the Vikings left.

In that playoff game, visitors spent $1.5 million on restaurants, $1.4 million on hotels, $1.2 million on retail, along with $720,000 on entertainment, $657,000 on transportation, and $211,000 on parking.

For a regular season game, the impact would likely be less than the money spent on one playoff game, according to researchers.

Still, $50 million would be a sizable impact for 10 dates.

To compare that to other local events: Meet Minneapolis said the 2011 American Legion convention brought 12,000 people to town, with an economic impact $13.572 million.

In economic impact, Minnesota would need four of those major conventions to equal an entire season of Vikings games

this is older but it serves the purpose, they would be fools to let the team leave, like I said I don't get it....all these politicians need to go.http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/good-question-how-much-will-minn-lose-if-vikings-leave/

Looks to me like, by those numbers, it actually wouldn't be a good investment.

 

[daveR]

I wonder if the biggest reason that there isn't support for the stadium is because of Target Field.

We were told that the Twins needed to have the park to have the revenue to compete. Well for two years they maid bushels of dough but then spent only some it on only two players - and are now one of the worst teams in baseball.

People can see the same thing happening with the Vikings.

We're lucky they don't have anywhere to go otherwise they'd be gone.

I think the reason is that people are tired of giving our tax money to people who are already filthy rich. How many schools could be rebuilt for the same money?

you do realize how much money is brought into the state with the team here.. Not just taxes but the 8+ games at home brings in money as the teams are in town staying at hotels, eating at restaurants, etc..

Say to those tax dollars, and look forward to higher taxes on all to make up for the lost revenue..

Why do you think cities like St. Louis and Houston did everything they could to bring teams back in after they lost their franchise?

I don't have the numbers, so anything I say here could be totally out in left field. Having said that, do you think that the tax revenue generated by the Vikings and all the ancilary revenue streams would exceed the outlay within the next 25 years? I doubt the team, owners, or NFL pays much of anything in taxes.

 

[Red Forman]

 

[Red Forman]

This thread is awesome. I love how dedicated a fan AE is, and am proud to have him on our side. If we ever get into a rumble with a group of Packer fans, we can have our own little "bring out the gimp" moment. Andy can have the honor of leading AE out on the leash.

I believe I went above and beyond being a "True" Viking fan when I wore my Viking jacket around town in Wisconsin the day after the Packers won their last Super Bowl.

Packers shouldnt even have been in the playoffs.. In week 7 against the Vikes, that Quarless TD was not a TD, and the Shiancoe TD was a TD. Vikes win if the refs get those calls correct, as was admitted after the game. #### the Packers!!!

 

[Heatman]

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — If the Minnesota Vikings left Minnesota, there would be a loss to the economy both directly and indirectly. But how severe that loss is depends on your perspective.

So, how much do Vikings players pay in income taxes?

According to the team, Vikings players paid $10 million in state withholding taxes in 2010. Staff and coaches paid $1.5 million. Also, visiting NFL players pay a percentage of their salary in income tax to Minnesota, in 2010 that came to about $1 million.

How much does the state make in game day taxes?

In 2010, tickets led to $3 million in sales taxes. Tickets also provided $4.4 million in an admissions tax that goes to the sports commission.

Also, the sales and use tax on merchandise sales in the stadium was $100,000. Concession sales led to $400,000 in tax receipts. Liquor led to $300,000 in 2010, along with city of Minneapolis liquor taxes of $200,000.

The total in direct contributions from the Vikings games to Minnesota is about $21.5 million.

If the state paid $650 million for a new stadium in Arden Hills, it would take 31 years to recoup that money, at a rate of $21.5 million per year.

• What kind of impact does each game have on other businesses?

The University of Minnesota extension service did an analysis of the impact of a 2010 Vikings playoff game, and put that amount at about $5.8 million.

They only include the 25,000 out-of-metro visitors to the games, because economists believe that local residents would simply shift their spending to other activities rather than stop the spending entirely if the Vikings left.

In that playoff game, visitors spent $1.5 million on restaurants, $1.4 million on hotels, $1.2 million on retail, along with $720,000 on entertainment, $657,000 on transportation, and $211,000 on parking.

For a regular season game, the impact would likely be less than the money spent on one playoff game, according to researchers.

Still, $50 million would be a sizable impact for 10 dates.

To compare that to other local events: Meet Minneapolis said the 2011 American Legion convention brought 12,000 people to town, with an economic impact $13.572 million.

In economic impact, Minnesota would need four of those major conventions to equal an entire season of Vikings games

this is older but it serves the purpose, they would be fools to let the team leave, like I said I don't get it....all these politicians need to go.http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/11/08/good-question-how-much-will-minn-lose-if-vikings-leave/

Looks to me like, by those numbers, it actually wouldn't be a good investment.

Doesn't take into account all of the other events held at the stadium every year.

 

[Funkley]

Going to miss all those Superbowls.

 

[Gopher State]

The Minnesota Vikings will open the season at home against Jacksonville on Sept. 9. The NFL released the schedule on Tuesday night.

Other notable games: Minnesota closes the season at home against Green Bay on Dec. 30 and visits the Packers on Dec. 2.

Minnesota hosts Tampa Bay on Oct. 25 – a Thursday night game on the NFL Network. The Vikings aren't scheduled to appear on Monday Night Football or Sunday Night Football.

They visit Chicago on Nov. 25 and host the Bears on Dec. 9.

Sept. 9 – vs. Jacksonville, noon, CBS

Sept. 16 – at Indianapolis, noon, FOX

Sept. 23 – vs. San Francisco, noon, FOX

Sept. 30 – at Detroit, noon, FOX

Oct. 7 – vs. Tennessee, noon, CBS

Oct. 14 – at Washington, 3:15 p.m., FOX

Oct. 21 – vs. Arizona, noon, FOX

Oct. 25 (Thursday) – vs. Tampa Bay, 7:20 p.m., NFL Network

Nov. 4 – at Seattle, 3:05 p.m., FOX

Nov. 11 – vs. Detroit, noon, FOX

Nov. 18 – Bye

Nov. 25 – at Chicago, noon, FOX

Dec. 2 – at Green Bay, noon, FOX

Dec. 9 – vs. Chicago, noon, FOX

Dec. 16 – at St. Louis, noon, FOX

Dec. 23 – at Houston, noon, FOX

Dec. 30 – vs. Green Bay, noon, FOX

looking at this schedule, I glad I moved to WI and married into a Packier family

 

[Herb]

The Minnesota Vikings will open the season at home against Jacksonville on Sept. 9. The NFL released the schedule on Tuesday night.

Other notable games: Minnesota closes the season at home against Green Bay on Dec. 30 and visits the Packers on Dec. 2.

Minnesota hosts Tampa Bay on Oct. 25 a Thursday night game on the NFL Network. The Vikings aren't scheduled to appear on Monday Night Football or Sunday Night Football.

They visit Chicago on Nov. 25 and host the Bears on Dec. 9.

Sept. 9 vs. Jacksonville, noon, CBS

Sept. 16 at Indianapolis, noon, FOX

Sept. 23 vs. San Francisco, noon, FOX

Sept. 30 at Detroit, noon, FOX

Oct. 7 vs. Tennessee, noon, CBS

Oct. 14 at Washington, 3:15 p.m., FOX

Oct. 21 vs. Arizona, noon, FOX

Oct. 25 (Thursday) vs. Tampa Bay, 7:20 p.m., NFL Network

Nov. 4 at Seattle, 3:05 p.m., FOX

Nov. 11 vs. Detroit, noon, FOX

Nov. 18 Bye

Nov. 25 at Chicago, noon, FOX

Dec. 2 at Green Bay, noon, FOX

Dec. 9 vs. Chicago, noon, FOX

Dec. 16 at St. Louis, noon, FOX

Dec. 23 at Houston, noon, FOX

Dec. 30 vs. Green Bay, noon, FOX

looking at this schedule, I glad I moved to WI and married into a Packier family

I'm looking at that schedule and thinking that surprisingly, if things break right they could go .500 next year. But the end of the season is friggin brutal.ETA: WTF does the bolded mean?

 

[Heatman]

The Minnesota Vikings will open the season at home against Jacksonville on Sept. 9. The NFL released the schedule on Tuesday night.Other notable games: Minnesota closes the season at home against Green Bay on Dec. 30 and visits the Packers on Dec. 2. Minnesota hosts Tampa Bay on Oct. 25 – a Thursday night game on the NFL Network. The Vikings aren't scheduled to appear on Monday Night Football or Sunday Night Football.They visit Chicago on Nov. 25 and host the Bears on Dec. 9. Sept. 9 – vs. Jacksonville, noon, CBSSept. 16 – at Indianapolis, noon, FOXSept. 23 – vs. San Francisco, noon, FOXSept. 30 – at Detroit, noon, FOXOct. 7 – vs. Tennessee, noon, CBSOct. 14 – at Washington, 3:15 p.m., FOXOct. 21 – vs. Arizona, noon, FOXOct. 25 (Thursday) – vs. Tampa Bay, 7:20 p.m., NFL NetworkNov. 4 – at Seattle, 3:05 p.m., FOXNov. 11 – vs. Detroit, noon, FOXNov. 18 – ByeNov. 25 – at Chicago, noon, FOXDec. 2 – at Green Bay, noon, FOXDec. 9 – vs. Chicago, noon, FOXDec. 16 – at St. Louis, noon, FOXDec. 23 – at Houston, noon, FOXDec. 30 – vs. Green Bay, noon, FOXlooking at this schedule, I glad I moved to WI and married into a Packier family

What the H is a Packier?