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*** OFFICIAL*** Minnesota Vikings offseason thread (2 Viewers)

Awesome deal for Zygi. It was a long fight but he made off like a bandit.

I like him as an Owner though. I'm excited to see where he takes the Vikings.
What makes you see it that way?
I don't get this way of thinking either. The Vikings are paying more than almost any other team in the NFL (Cowboys and Redskins maybe the only exceptions). Heck I live in Cincinnati, talk about making out like a bandit. Then the city even kicked in millions more a couple years ago for upgrades. I think the Vikings and the state both got a fair deal, and to those who don't think having and NFL team in your city/state why do you think LA is spending so much money to try to entice a team to come back there?

 
So we're just waiting for the Senate to vote on this and then it goes to the governor? Any chance the Senate votes it down?

 
So we're just waiting for the Senate to vote on this and then it goes to the governor? Any chance the Senate votes it down?
Correct and I do see any reason the Senate wouldn't vote for it.. They originally asked for an additional $25 Million and got $50. :thumbup:
 
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Glad they will be hanging around.

As much enjoyment as I get from making fun of them for being ready to move...it really is best for the division with them in it (especially while they suck :) )

 
Glad they will be hanging around.As much enjoyment as I get from making fun of them for being ready to move...it really is best for the division with them in it (especially while they suck :) )
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I hate you too ;) G'damn packers! Thank god I can keep talking #### to the poor suckers unfortunate enough to be born in that sewer and back that team.Whew! that was a close one gents.
 
Glad they will be hanging around.As much enjoyment as I get from making fun of them for being ready to move...it really is best for the division with them in it (especially while they suck :) )
:hifive: I can't imagine living in Western Wisconsin and NOT having the Rivalry.. My Father in-law was just saying the other day.. " If the Vikings leave what am I going to have to rip you on??" :lol:Him and I have a good old nature ripping rivalry.. Of course he has the edge being a packer fan and all with the SB Titles.. but it is still fun.. :thumbup: :thumbup: to many more years of the Packer vs. Viking fan rivalry!!! :football: :excited:
 
As much as I hate to say it, I think you guys had a very good draft and I think you got the WR steal in Greg Childs, he was a beast prior to injury and looks to now be fully healed and has a bit of a chip/point to prove.

Go Pack Go! :banned:

 
HF 2958 - Financing a Vikings stadium in Minneapolis (Conference Committee Report)

Yea 38, Nay 28, the bill is approved, and on its way to Governor Dayton's desk for signing.

 
According to the PDF link posted about the stadium...

"... Accommodations for NCAA basketball, a Super Bowl,

amateur baseball, Major League Soccer, concerts, civic,

community and not-for-profi t events.

:excited:

Please let this happen. A sweet new stadium for the Vikes and possible future soccer team!?!!

 
'Scooby said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
It will be built with a closed roof.. But it will be "provisioned" to make the change to a retractable roof. The plan to bring in a Soccer team is what Wilf wanted and if he does that he wants to replace the roof with a retractable one.. :thumbup:
 
:suds: :banned: Here's to 30 more years of cussing our beloved Vikings and their inability to win a superbowl. I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
'Scooby said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
I read something (can't remember where for the link) about how it was a closed roof, but that if the Vikings wanted a retractable roof, they would have to pay for it. Given the weather there, is the extra $25-$50 mill or whatever it would be worth it? I mean on a 45 degree Sunday in October/November it would be nice to have open, but would it be worth that price tag? It's not like you're going to open it when the windchill is 30 below just for "home field advantage"
 
I didn't see it coming at all. I got the impression Walsh would be primarily a kickoff specialist with the occasional long FG attempt. Looking at his college stats, I have a hard time getting excited about his prospects as the primary kicker. They better at least bring in someone to compete with him.
The Vikings will now likely give the job to Blair Walsh, the rookie from Georgia that they took in the sixth round of the draft. Walsh connected on just over 50 percent of his field goal attempts as a senior.
Vikings cutting Ryan Longwell makes little sense on any levelBy Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

What the Vikings did recently is a real head-scratcher. After drafting Georgia kicker Blair Walsh with a sixth-round pick, they released 15-year veteran Ryan Longwell.

We're talking about a guy who had been with the Vikings for six seasons and made 135 of 157 field goals -- an 85.9 percent success rate. Sure, Longwell started to slump last season with 22 of 28 kicks made, but at the very least he would have been excellent training camp competition for Walsh, who made 60 percent of his field goals at Georgia and obviously has never been tested at the pro level.

But here's the strangest part: Many people reported that the Vikings would save $1.75 million on the cap, but because his release accelerated his signing bonus, the team is still charged that amount. The Vikings won't save a dime.

When it comes to negotiating stadium deals, the Vikings seem to be doing OK. When it comes to kickers, the Vikings might need some help. One hundred games last season were decided by three points or fewer. I don't know about you, but I'd be nervous gifting the kicking job to a rookie instead of having him fight a veteran for it -- especially since I'm not saving any cap space either way.
 
'Scooby said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
I read something (can't remember where for the link) about how it was a closed roof, but that if the Vikings wanted a retractable roof, they would have to pay for it. Given the weather there, is the extra $25-$50 mill or whatever it would be worth it? I mean on a 45 degree Sunday in October/November it would be nice to have open, but would it be worth that price tag? It's not like you're going to open it when the windchill is 30 below just for "home field advantage"
Don't be surprised if it does end up being a retractable roof. Part of the bill says that the Vikings have 5 year exclusive rights to bring in a Major League Soccer team and host it at the new facility....who the heck wants to sit inside on a beautiful July day to watch soccer?
 
'Scooby said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
I read something (can't remember where for the link) about how it was a closed roof, but that if the Vikings wanted a retractable roof, they would have to pay for it. Given the weather there, is the extra $25-$50 mill or whatever it would be worth it? I mean on a 45 degree Sunday in October/November it would be nice to have open, but would it be worth that price tag? It's not like you're going to open it when the windchill is 30 below just for "home field advantage"
I still don't get this. Four times the Vikes made the Super Bowl, three of those they won championship games at home:1976 - Win: NFCC at home1974 - Win: NFCC at home1969 - Win: NFCC at homeBy my count the Vikes were 8-2 in the playoffs at home in Metropolitan - Outside - 3-0 in conference championships, and four Super Bowl appearances. One of those losses was the fluke to the Cowboys on the hail mary or else they were probably looking at three straight SB's and a 10-1 home playoff record at Metropolitan. And the one home playoff game they lost, was by 3 points. That's practically unbeatable. And yet Vikes fans are desperate for another Super Bowl and another shot at a championship. Are the warm seats worth it?
 
'Scooby said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
I read something (can't remember where for the link) about how it was a closed roof, but that if the Vikings wanted a retractable roof, they would have to pay for it. Given the weather there, is the extra $25-$50 mill or whatever it would be worth it? I mean on a 45 degree Sunday in October/November it would be nice to have open, but would it be worth that price tag? It's not like you're going to open it when the windchill is 30 below just for "home field advantage"
I still don't get this. Four times the Vikes made the Super Bowl, three of those they won championship games at home:

1976 - Win: NFCC at home

1974 - Win: NFCC at home

1969 - Win: NFCC at home

By my count the Vikes were 8-2 in the playoffs at home in Metropolitan - Outside - 3-0 in conference championships, and four Super Bowl appearances. One of those losses was the fluke to the Cowboys on the hail mary or else they were probably looking at three straight SB's and a 10-1 home playoff record at Metropolitan. And the one home playoff game they lost, was by 3 points. That's practically unbeatable. And yet Vikes fans are desperate for another Super Bowl and another shot at a championship. Are the warm seats worth it?
Abso-freakin-lutely.Not sure where you live, SID2006, but if you haven't experienced 10 below zero temps with a 25 mph wind, I can't explain to you what it feels like. It's awful. I remember a December Monday night game against SF in '94 that I attended. Those were the conditions outside. The 12 members of our party, staunch Vikes fans all, were happy as hell to be inside a dome that night.

Besides, several dome teams, yours included, have now won super bowls, so it can be done. Also, public funding for it would never have gone through if the venue couldn't be used 3-4 months of the year.

 
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I didn't see it coming at all. I got the impression Walsh would be primarily a kickoff specialist with the occasional long FG attempt. Looking at his college stats, I have a hard time getting excited about his prospects as the primary kicker. They better at least bring in someone to compete with him.
The Vikings will now likely give the job to Blair Walsh, the rookie from Georgia that they took in the sixth round of the draft. Walsh connected on just over 50 percent of his field goal attempts as a senior.
Vikings cutting Ryan Longwell makes little sense on any levelBy Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

What the Vikings did recently is a real head-scratcher. After drafting Georgia kicker Blair Walsh with a sixth-round pick, they released 15-year veteran Ryan Longwell.

We're talking about a guy who had been with the Vikings for six seasons and made 135 of 157 field goals -- an 85.9 percent success rate. Sure, Longwell started to slump last season with 22 of 28 kicks made, but at the very least he would have been excellent training camp competition for Walsh, who made 60 percent of his field goals at Georgia and obviously has never been tested at the pro level.

But here's the strangest part: Many people reported that the Vikings would save $1.75 million on the cap, but because his release accelerated his signing bonus, the team is still charged that amount. The Vikings won't save a dime.

When it comes to negotiating stadium deals, the Vikings seem to be doing OK. When it comes to kickers, the Vikings might need some help. One hundred games last season were decided by three points or fewer. I don't know about you, but I'd be nervous gifting the kicking job to a rookie instead of having him fight a veteran for it -- especially since I'm not saving any cap space either way.
I agree keeping the veteran kicker would make more sense if the Vikings were planning to contend for a title in 2012.As they are not, the roster spot is more valuable for a position other than kicker. Speilman and Frasier like the rookies power and believe he will kick more touch backs than Longwell is capable of. Field position is also an important part of winning games. There was an article that laid out the numbers on this that was interesting. If I find it again will post here later.

In essence the way I am seeing their evaluation of this being that better kick off distance will amount to the same benefit as higher field goal percentage. They will also feel comfortable with having the rookie attempt longer field goals than they would with Longwell.

The roster spot will be used to keep another young player instead of a 2nd kicker who might help the Vikings win a game or two more in 2012.

Also Longwell may get picked up by another team who may make a free agent kicker available to the Vikings if they end up not being sure this rookie will be accurate enough. I see this as perhaps a built in excuse in close games that might protect the coaches or Ponder from greater criticism.

 
I didn't see it coming at all. I got the impression Walsh would be primarily a kickoff specialist with the occasional long FG attempt. Looking at his college stats, I have a hard time getting excited about his prospects as the primary kicker. They better at least bring in someone to compete with him.
The Vikings will now likely give the job to Blair Walsh, the rookie from Georgia that they took in the sixth round of the draft. Walsh connected on just over 50 percent of his field goal attempts as a senior.
Vikings cutting Ryan Longwell makes little sense on any levelBy Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

What the Vikings did recently is a real head-scratcher. After drafting Georgia kicker Blair Walsh with a sixth-round pick, they released 15-year veteran Ryan Longwell.

We're talking about a guy who had been with the Vikings for six seasons and made 135 of 157 field goals -- an 85.9 percent success rate. Sure, Longwell started to slump last season with 22 of 28 kicks made, but at the very least he would have been excellent training camp competition for Walsh, who made 60 percent of his field goals at Georgia and obviously has never been tested at the pro level.

But here's the strangest part: Many people reported that the Vikings would save $1.75 million on the cap, but because his release accelerated his signing bonus, the team is still charged that amount. The Vikings won't save a dime.

When it comes to negotiating stadium deals, the Vikings seem to be doing OK. When it comes to kickers, the Vikings might need some help. One hundred games last season were decided by three points or fewer. I don't know about you, but I'd be nervous gifting the kicking job to a rookie instead of having him fight a veteran for it -- especially since I'm not saving any cap space either way.
I agree keeping the veteran kicker would make more sense if the Vikings were planning to contend for a title in 2012.As they are not, the roster spot is more valuable for a position other than kicker. Speilman and Frasier like the rookies power and believe he will kick more touch backs than Longwell is capable of. Field position is also an important part of winning games. There was an article that laid out the numbers on this that was interesting. If I find it again will post here later.

In essence the way I am seeing their evaluation of this being that better kick off distance will amount to the same benefit as higher field goal percentage. They will also feel comfortable with having the rookie attempt longer field goals than they would with Longwell.

The roster spot will be used to keep another young player instead of a 2nd kicker who might help the Vikings win a game or two more in 2012.

Also Longwell may get picked up by another team who may make a free agent kicker available to the Vikings if they end up not being sure this rookie will be accurate enough. I see this as perhaps a built in excuse in close games that might protect the coaches or Ponder from greater criticism.
I think it is a really good move (even though I love Longwell). With all the one year contracts that they have given out this season and the extra salary cap money that they deferred to next season, this move is more about next year than this year.
 
I didn't see it coming at all. I got the impression Walsh would be primarily a kickoff specialist with the occasional long FG attempt. Looking at his college stats, I have a hard time getting excited about his prospects as the primary kicker. They better at least bring in someone to compete with him.
The Vikings will now likely give the job to Blair Walsh, the rookie from Georgia that they took in the sixth round of the draft. Walsh connected on just over 50 percent of his field goal attempts as a senior.
Vikings cutting Ryan Longwell makes little sense on any levelBy Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

What the Vikings did recently is a real head-scratcher. After drafting Georgia kicker Blair Walsh with a sixth-round pick, they released 15-year veteran Ryan Longwell.

We're talking about a guy who had been with the Vikings for six seasons and made 135 of 157 field goals -- an 85.9 percent success rate. Sure, Longwell started to slump last season with 22 of 28 kicks made, but at the very least he would have been excellent training camp competition for Walsh, who made 60 percent of his field goals at Georgia and obviously has never been tested at the pro level.

But here's the strangest part: Many people reported that the Vikings would save $1.75 million on the cap, but because his release accelerated his signing bonus, the team is still charged that amount. The Vikings won't save a dime.

When it comes to negotiating stadium deals, the Vikings seem to be doing OK. When it comes to kickers, the Vikings might need some help. One hundred games last season were decided by three points or fewer. I don't know about you, but I'd be nervous gifting the kicking job to a rookie instead of having him fight a veteran for it -- especially since I'm not saving any cap space either way.
I agree keeping the veteran kicker would make more sense if the Vikings were planning to contend for a title in 2012.As they are not, the roster spot is more valuable for a position other than kicker. Speilman and Frasier like the rookies power and believe he will kick more touch backs than Longwell is capable of. Field position is also an important part of winning games. There was an article that laid out the numbers on this that was interesting. If I find it again will post here later.

In essence the way I am seeing their evaluation of this being that better kick off distance will amount to the same benefit as higher field goal percentage. They will also feel comfortable with having the rookie attempt longer field goals than they would with Longwell.

The roster spot will be used to keep another young player instead of a 2nd kicker who might help the Vikings win a game or two more in 2012.

Also Longwell may get picked up by another team who may make a free agent kicker available to the Vikings if they end up not being sure this rookie will be accurate enough. I see this as perhaps a built in excuse in close games that might protect the coaches or Ponder from greater criticism.
I think it is a really good move (even though I love Longwell). With all the one year contracts that they have given out this season and the extra salary cap money that they deferred to next season, this move is more about next year than this year.
There are some quality kick returners like Hester where if we could kick the ball deeper it becomes easier to defend the return. I guess Blair Walsh missed a lot of field goals but most of them were long range.Since the Vikings are developing players might as well do so at the kicker position as well.

 
Awesome deal for Zygi. It was a long fight but he made off like a bandit.

I like him as an Owner though. I'm excited to see where he takes the Vikings.
What makes you see it that way?
I don't get this way of thinking either. The Vikings are paying more than almost any other team in the NFL (Cowboys and Redskins maybe the only exceptions). Heck I live in Cincinnati, talk about making out like a bandit. Then the city even kicked in millions more a couple years ago for upgrades. I think the Vikings and the state both got a fair deal, and to those who don't think having and NFL team in your city/state why do you think LA is spending so much money to try to entice a team to come back there?
LA is a mirage. There is no new public stadium there. There is the old Colleseum. The same stadium that wasn't good enough for the Rams or Raiders. Supposedly there is a private investor there who will build a stadium, but there isn't a state or city bill to do it. The state of California has a 9 BILLION dollar deficit. We are cutting our universities by 500M this year and our community colleges by 250M. Anyone who thinks the public in LA will tax themselves to build a private stadium is crazy. The whole thing is a scam to pressure states and cities into giving corporate welfare.

Basically the state of Minnesota just wrote a check for 500 Million dollars to a billionaire. Good deal? I have been watching the Vikings for 40 years and I am close to giving up. First, we lost the loyalty of players. When I was young players stayed with the same team their whole career and you really identified with them. Players made good salaries--but not crazy--and owners made good profits--but not exorbitant. Now both the players and the owners are out of touch and eventhough the state is paying half the cost for this stadium, ticket prices will be out of reach for the average family. Meanwhile, we can't afford to educate our children... I love football, but our priorities in this country are way out of line.

 
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Awesome deal for Zygi. It was a long fight but he made off like a bandit.

I like him as an Owner though. I'm excited to see where he takes the Vikings.
What makes you see it that way?
I don't get this way of thinking either. The Vikings are paying more than almost any other team in the NFL (Cowboys and Redskins maybe the only exceptions). Heck I live in Cincinnati, talk about making out like a bandit. Then the city even kicked in millions more a couple years ago for upgrades. I think the Vikings and the state both got a fair deal, and to those who don't think having and NFL team in your city/state why do you think LA is spending so much money to try to entice a team to come back there?
LA is a mirage. There is no new public stadium there. There is the old Colleseum. The same stadium that wasn't good enough for the Rams or Raiders. Supposedly there is a private investor there who will build a stadium, but there isn't a state or city bill to do it. The state of California has a 9 BILLION dollar deficit. We are cutting our universities by 500M this year and our community colleges by 250M. Anyone who thinks the public in LA will tax themselves to build a private stadium is crazy. The whole thing is a scam to pressure states and cities into giving corporate welfare.

Basically the state of Minnesota just wrote a check for 500 Million dollars to a billionaire. Good deal? I have been watching the Vikings for 40 years and I am close to giving up. First, we lost the loyalty of players. When I was young players stayed with the same team their whole career and you really identified with them. Players made good salaries--but not crazy--and owners made good profits--but not exorbitant. Now both the players and the owners are out of touch and eventhough the state is paying half the cost for this stadium, ticket prices will be out of reach for the average family. Meanwhile, we can't afford to educate our children... I love football, but our priorities in this country are way out of line.
:rolleyes: So tired of this "You are taking money from education/Children"..

Seriously.. the money being used for the stadium did not exist. Hard to "steal" money from someone when they didn't have it to begin with.

The money being used is being generated off of pull tabs... If you don't want to support the team, then don't buy pull tabs, and don't go to Minneapolis and pay the sales tax that is already being used for the Convention center.. Simple as that.

ETA - Not to mention.. even though the Wilfs are paying for 50% of the stadium they will pay rent to use the building.

So not only did they pony up 400+ million dollars, they will continue to pay the State to use the stadium.

 
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Awesome deal for Zygi. It was a long fight but he made off like a bandit.

I like him as an Owner though. I'm excited to see where he takes the Vikings.
What makes you see it that way?
I don't get this way of thinking either. The Vikings are paying more than almost any other team in the NFL (Cowboys and Redskins maybe the only exceptions). Heck I live in Cincinnati, talk about making out like a bandit. Then the city even kicked in millions more a couple years ago for upgrades. I think the Vikings and the state both got a fair deal, and to those who don't think having and NFL team in your city/state why do you think LA is spending so much money to try to entice a team to come back there?
LA is a mirage. There is no new public stadium there. There is the old Colleseum. The same stadium that wasn't good enough for the Rams or Raiders. Supposedly there is a private investor there who will build a stadium, but there isn't a state or city bill to do it. The state of California has a 9 BILLION dollar deficit. We are cutting our universities by 500M this year and our community colleges by 250M. Anyone who thinks the public in LA will tax themselves to build a private stadium is crazy. The whole thing is a scam to pressure states and cities into giving corporate welfare.

Basically the state of Minnesota just wrote a check for 500 Million dollars to a billionaire. Good deal? I have been watching the Vikings for 40 years and I am close to giving up. First, we lost the loyalty of players. When I was young players stayed with the same team their whole career and you really identified with them. Players made good salaries--but not crazy--and owners made good profits--but not exorbitant. Now both the players and the owners are out of touch and eventhough the state is paying half the cost for this stadium, ticket prices will be out of reach for the average family. Meanwhile, we can't afford to educate our children... I love football, but our priorities in this country are way out of line.
:rolleyes: So tired of this "You are taking money from education/Children"..

Seriously.. the money being used for the stadium did not exist. Hard to "steal" money from someone when they didn't have it to begin with.

The money being used is being generated off of pull tabs... If you don't want to support the team, then don't buy pull tabs, and don't go to Minneapolis and pay the sales tax that is already being used for the Convention center.. Simple as that.

ETA - Not to mention.. even though the Wilfs are paying for 50% of the stadium they will pay rent to use the building.

So not only did they pony up 400+ million dollars, they will continue to pay the State to use the stadium.
I read recently that the state of MN in 2011 received $18 million in income taxes from the NFL. Multiply that by however many years you want and the taxpayers recoup much of this money.
 
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. - Minnesota Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf appear to be leaning in favor of a retractable roof for their new stadium.

The brothers scored a major victory on Thursday when they won legislative approval for a publicly subsidized $975 million stadium that is targeted to open in 2016. Lawmakers included a provision that allows for a retractable roof, but made it clear that the Vikings would have to pay the extra costs for it.

The exact price tag isn't currently known. But the Wilfs said Friday that they are exploring the idea. Mark Wilf says they want to make the stadium as attractive to fans as possible. If a retractable roof is the best way to go, he says "we're going to try to do it."
:thumbup:
 
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Gov Dayton Signs Vikings Stadium Bill

Governor Mark Dayton has signed the Vikings stadium bill into law. Although, Minneapolis City Council will still need to approve the project.

Both supporters and protesters were at the bill signing event. According to KSTP Reporter Tom Hauser, supporters sang "Skol Vikings," while protesters yelled "Shame on you Governor Dayton."

Dayton has been one of the biggest cheerleaders for the new $975 million project, which won final legislative approval Thursday after years of failed attempts.

The legislation commits the state to raising $348 million by allowing electronic pull-tabs and bingo in bars and restaurants. There are also backup funding measures such as a lottery game and luxury suite taxes.

The Minneapolis City Council has 30 days to act on the plan, and their next meeting is scheduled for May 25.

 
After an overwhelmingly positive reaction to the Vikings’ first-round draft picks on Thursday night, the rest of NFL Draft Weekend turned into a bit of a snoozer for most Vikings fans, and Saturday’s somewhat controversial selections seem to have drawn a fair amount of angst amongst the Purple Faithful. In particular, the selection of Georgia kicker Blair Walsh in Round 6 has seemingly caused the most outrage amongst Vikings fans and detractors alike.In the end, I fall on the side of the naysayers on this one, but I’ll get to that in a bit. First, there actually are several arguments in favor of the move. To start with, incumbent kicker Ryan Longwell is 37 years old (he’ll be 38 by the time the season starts) He missed six of his 28 field goal attempts in 2011, and missed five of his 13 attempts from beyond 40 yards. He’s also still owed $7 million over the next three seasons, with a cap hit of another $2.6 million on top of his base salary. From a pure business standpoint, it makes little sense to pay a 38-year-old kicker with obvious limitations coming off one of the worst seasons of his impressive career $7 million when a rookie would cost a tiny fraction of that cost. The $2.6 million cap hit (Longwell’s $3.5 million signing bonus, spread evenly across the life of his 4-year deal) would be a tough pill to swallow, but continuing to pay Longwell through his age 41 season might be throwing good money after bad. Even if Walsh misses a bunch of field goal attempts (he made just 74 percent of his kicks in college), would it really matter in 2012? Are the re-building Vikings just a couple of field goals away from the playoffs next year? Is paying a kicker who may be past his prime like one of the best in the league really a good allocation of Zygi Wilf’s money?There’s also a case to be made that jettisoning the weak-legged Longwell in favor of the stronger Walsh is also a savvy move from a pure football standpoint as well.Longwell’s major limitation is his inability to produce touchbacks on kickoffs. In 2011, he ranked 28th in the NFL with just 19 kickoffs, and he ranked 34th by forcing touchbacks on just 24.7 percent of his kicks (in part because of this, the Vikings ranked 31st in the NFL in average opponent starting position, according to Football Outsiders' drive stats. Vikings opponents started the average drive at the 31-yard line, while the 49ers defense/special teams led the NFL by forcing opponents to start each drive, on average, at their own 24-yard line). That might not seem very important, but according to people who are a lot smarter than me, it is. According to an article on a website called Advanced NFL Stats, touchbacks are a lot more valuable than you might imagine. The article is from 2009 and is therefore somewhat outdated, but the findings remain valid today. You can see all the nerdy details here if you’d like, but the highlights of the research done by Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats are these:Using a concept called Expected Points, Burke concludes that a touchback is worth the rough equivalent of half a sack (to drastically oversimplify things, this means that forcing a team to start out at their own 20-yard line twice in a game has roughly the same negative effect on the expected points that team’s offense will score as does sacking the quarterback once). The average field position for non-touchback kickoffs is the 32-yard line. Therefore, each touchback saves 12 yards of field position, which results in the opposing offense having to attain one more first down than they would have otherwise in order to get into scoring position. According to Burke, “the average first down conversion rate in the NFL is 67%, so a touchback turns a TD drive into a FG drive or a FG drive into a punt 33% of the time.”For the sake of argument, let’s assume Walsh makes the team as a kickoff specialist, or just beats Longwell out for all of the place-kicking duties, and is able to boot 33 touchbacks in 2012, which was the league average for the top 32 kickers in 2011. According to Advanced NFL Stats’ Expected Points, Walsh’s addition, purely in terms of field position and allowing fewer points, would be the equivalent of the Vikings having added a defensive player who produces 6.5 sacks this season. And when you consider that the top 10 kickers in 2011 all booted at least 40 touchbacks, Walsh’s impact could be even greater if his leg proves significantly stronger than Longwell’s.It’s a fancy way of saying what should be obvious – starting field position does matter in the NFL, and the ability of a kicker to produce touchbacks and prevent long kickoff returns is a factor in winning and losing games. Of course, this is an argument that really only works for winning teams. Or, at least for teams that aren’t in full-scale rebuilding mode. Carrying that extra kickoff specialist in an effort to gain 50 percent more touchbacks makes sense for a playoff team looking for every little edge. On a deep roster filled with above-average NFL players, eating a roster spot on a kickoff specialist is probably more valuable than carrying that ninth offensive lineman, seventh cornerback, or sixth wide receiver. But, realistically, the Vikings aren’t a playoff team, and shouldn’t be making decisions like one, and the reality is that spending an asset – even if just a sixth-round draft pick – on a kicker just isn’t worth it. Over the last 10 years, only 23 placekickers have been selected in the NFL Draft. Only a handful of those 23 have gone on to make a significant impact in the NFL (the short list of high-impact kickers who were actually drafted includes Mason Crosby, Nate Kaeding, Stephen Gostkowski, Josh Scobee, Josh Brown, and Mike Nugent). Overall, just 10 of the 23 kickers drafted over the past 10 years were still on an NFL roster in 2011. That’s a pretty bleak success rate. When you consider that a kicker has to be viewed as the absolute best of the best in college to be drafted at all, the fact that over 50 percent of them fail miserably is not exactly a ringing endorsement for spending a pick on a kicker. And that’s essentially what it comes down to. The Vikings need players all over the field, and passing up the opportunity to draft a developmental player at any number of positions in favor of selecting a kicker that is more likely to fizzle than make any kind of meaningful impact wasn’t the wisest use of their assets.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/149765645.htmlToday they picked up a tackle from Bears practice squad.
 
Now with the 7-6 city council vote in the bag the final hurdle has been cleared.

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Despite bitter divisions, the Minneapolis City Council made a decades-long commitment to subsidizing professional sports with a 7-6 vote Thursday to build a new stadium for the Minnesota Vikings.

The vote eliminates the final political obstacle in the Vikings' long quest for a new stadium. Gov. Mark Dayton signed the stadium bill into law earlier this month. If the council ratifies the vote at its regular meeting Friday, the deal will represent one of the largest capital investments in Minneapolis history -- if not the largest.

The city is sharing the costs of the $1 billion stadium with the state and the team. By redirecting sales taxes, the city will contribute to a massive new football stadium at the site of the Metrodome while also reserving funds to upgrade and pay debt on the city-owned Target Center, home of the Timberwolves.

"I'm very proud of this because we've taken one of the most complicated and long-running public issues in the history of this state and come up with a plan that makes sense for the people of Minneapolis," said Mayor R.T. Rybak, a onetime opponent of sports subsidies, after Thursday's vote.

With its vote, the council also nullified a 15-year-old city law that requires voter approval of any stadium subsidies of $10 million or more. The momentous nature of the debate was not lost on council members, who frequently wondered aloud how it would be viewed by future generations. Supporters said it would create needed jobs and aid the city's budget, while opponents countered that it bypassed the will of the people and makes no economic sense.

"I'm not really sure I want to be part of a government any more -- at the state level and at the city level -- that behaves this way," said Council Member Lisa Goodman, an opponent of the plan.

The most immediate beneficiaries of the new stadium swarmed into the chambers as soon as doors opened Thursday morning: construction union members wearing reflective yellow jackets and hard hats, followed by die-hard fans adorned with Vikings garb from horns to shields.

Rybak's victory

The vote represented perhaps the biggest political victory for Rybak in his 10 years as mayor. Rybak overcame a year of setbacks and skepticism over his position that the best place for the Vikings was right where they are today.

For much of last year, the Vikings declared they would relocate to Arden Hills, and as recently as March, Rybak lacked the votes to get the deal through the council. His council majority did not materialize until Council Member Sandy Colvin Roy, who represents southeast Minneapolis, switched her position and supported the plan.

The city will finance its portion of the stadium using a series of sales taxes that will continue until 2046 -- a citywide sales tax, downtown restaurant and liquor taxes and a hotel tax. Those taxes currently pay for the city's convention center, but money will become available when debt on that facility is paid down in 2020.

The total city subsidy will be about $309 million for construction and operations, or $678 million when accounting for interest over the life of the deal. That figure could rise to a maximum of $890 million if the sales taxes grow by 5 percent per year, leaving the city with about $1.4 billion to use for economic development -- after it pays its other obligations.

Throughout the public debate, opponents were united by an insistence that Minneapolis residents take a vote on the deal, citing the 1997 charter amendment.

The city attorney said the deal never triggered a vote since the taxes technically belonged to the state, but the final state legislation nonetheless included language to nullify the charter amendment.

"For the city to go to the state, and to override the charter, to me is a betrayal of the citizens and the vote that they clearly expressed themselves on in 1997," said Council Member Gary Schiff, a coauthor of the charter amendment.

Supporters trumpeted the jobs that will be created by building a new stadium in downtown Minneapolis.

"There's a strong link between ... the things we like to do for fun and the jobs we get to support our families," said Council Member Don Samuels. "And this is the link right here. We're making that connection today."

Council President Barb Johnson said being a regional center means making tough decisions, like those which created the convention center and the Metrodome.

"Millions of people attend sporting events," Johnson said. "And I don't want to denigrate them. But they're part of what makes us great."

Target Center

One of Rybak's biggest selling points for the stadium deal is the upgrading and paying debt on the city-owned Target Center, which requires an annual city subsidy. By locking in the sales taxes until 2046, the city will pay off debt on the facility and perform a $135 million renovation that will be split with private interests.Council Member Cam Gordon warned that the purchase of the Target Center in 1995 -- an annual drain on city finances -- likely looked just as wise on paper as the current proposal. "We can't predict the future," Gordon said. "We don't know what's going to happen."

He added that he "never imagined" he would be on a council that approved what may be "the largest corporate subsidy in the history of Minneapolis. And maybe, who knows, the biggest boondoggle that anybody will be able to remember."

Rybak said that despite the heated rhetoric from the council, he's confident that both sides can work together to make the deal work come Monday morning.

"This is a group of people that has navigated through crime waves, through bridges collapsing, through tornadoes, through multiple other issues, and we've always found a way to work together and we will again," Rybak said.
 
Do we know what kind of building it'll be? Closed roof? Retractable? Open air?
I think just a closed roof, not retractable...
thats good because it would be a shame if the twinky nancypantses from minny had to sit outside in the cold they might catch a sniffle wusses all of you but i am glad that you got your stadium and will not be going to california because no matter what i think we all know that la can take a long hike on a short pier so although i still think you all stink the bag i am glad you are sticking around so take that to the bank brohans from across the big muddy
 
Any word on the Vikes OTA's, specifically the QB situation?

I wasn't a fan of Ponder in College, and I don't think he his skill set will translate well to the NFL game, so in every League where I can afford a 'lottery ticket' type guy, I've rostered Joe Webb. Love Webb. Freakish athelete, and cannon arm. If he can improve on his accuracy, I think he'd make for a fun and exciting story.

Thoughts, Vikes homers?

 
Any word on the Vikes OTA's, specifically the QB situation?I wasn't a fan of Ponder in College, and I don't think he his skill set will translate well to the NFL game, so in every League where I can afford a 'lottery ticket' type guy, I've rostered Joe Webb. Love Webb. Freakish athelete, and cannon arm. If he can improve on his accuracy, I think he'd make for a fun and exciting story.Thoughts, Vikes homers?
In a 2 QB dynasty I have Ponder and Webb. IIRC Waldmans RSP had Ponder above Gabbert. He's not gonna break any passing records but for a West Coast offense he's a good fit. I would say his ceiling is around top 7-12 in the league. Webb could develop if a team really focused their offense around his skills. I don't know that it's gonna happen here in Minny though.
 
'nittanylion said:
Any word on the Vikes OTA's, specifically the QB situation?I wasn't a fan of Ponder in College, and I don't think he his skill set will translate well to the NFL game, so in every League where I can afford a 'lottery ticket' type guy, I've rostered Joe Webb. Love Webb. Freakish athelete, and cannon arm. If he can improve on his accuracy, I think he'd make for a fun and exciting story.Thoughts, Vikes homers?
Seems to me that Webb is a perfect short term backup. If Ponder goes down and Webb comes in to finish a game or maybe start a couple games the Vikes will be OK and Webb has a shot at really impressing from a fantasy standpoint. But once there's some film on him I don't like his prospects much. His accuracy is average at best.
 
'The Gatekeeper said:
Anyone have any observations from the OTA's they saw or heard that they could pass along.
Nothing has really been out there other than AD being about 50/50 to be ready for TRAINING CAMP. Dude is a fking beast.
 
'The Gatekeeper said:
Anyone have any observations from the OTA's they saw or heard that they could pass along.
Nothing has really been out there other than AD being about 50/50 to be ready for TRAINING CAMP. Dude is a fking beast.
AD is a truly amazing! I am hopeful that he can come back 100% even if that is not until 2013 :football:
So I imagine the addition of Kalil won't only help Ponder's blindside, but cut down on the number of times AD gets tackled behind the LOS a split second after being handed the ball.
 
Anyone have any observations from the OTA's they saw or heard that they could pass along.
Nothing has really been out there other than AD being about 50/50 to be ready for TRAINING CAMP. Dude is a fking beast.
AD is a truly amazing! I am hopeful that he can come back 100% even if that is not until 2013 :football:
So I imagine the addition of Kalil won't only help Ponder's blindside, but cut down on the number of times AD gets tackled behind the LOS a split second after being handed the ball.
Absolutely.I have watched a fair amount of Kalils games at USC. He is great in space is the main thing about him that stands out for me. Kalil should allow the Vikings to be more creative with their blocking schemes and make the left side more dominant again.
 
maybe we can put kalil on the bridge from the twin cities to wisco and he can block you twinkies from coming over here and driving around at 30 under in the fast lane jeez between you guys and the fibs going 30 over everywhere its like why even drive take that to the bank power grub brohans from a state that woudl be better as a giant bass fishin hole

 
maybe we can put kalil on the bridge from the twin cities to wisco and he can block you twinkies from coming over here and driving around at 30 under in the fast lane jeez between you guys and the fibs going 30 over everywhere its like why even drive take that to the bank power grub brohans from a state that woudl be better as a giant bass fishin hole
:lmao: I haven't heard FIBS (F'n Illiniois Bastages) in 20 years! Last time I heard it was at UW Madison from a Wisconsin guy. He hated people from Illinois. Not sure why.

 

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