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JohnnyU said:
Didn't big Al just insinuate Trump supporters are in favor of lynchings?
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You guys are funny. You say no one discusses the subject, then someone does and then you clam up.

Who is the Adam and the article that Sharpton was referring to? He didn’t just dream up the lynching comp out of thin air.

By the way Trump supporters should love a bomb throwing populist racialist, just the wrong side of the fence I guess.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
You guys are funny. You say no one discusses the subject, then someone does and then you clam up.

Who is the Adam and the article that Sharpton was referring to? He didn’t just dream up the lynching comp out of thin air.

By the way Trump supporters should love a bomb throwing populist racialist, just the wrong side of the fence I guess.
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I believe he was talking about Adam Serwer of the Atlantic. The Cruelty Is the Point

It's not related to Sharpton but I found Lynching in America of interest.  

 
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squistion said:
So are the southern Democrats you referred to that were doing the lynchings.  
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Yes, in the past it was southern Democrats doing all the lynching in America.  Thankfully that doesn't happen anymore, but it's still Democrats that hold African Americans in the welfare plantation and are still the slaves of Democrats.  .  Many are starting to see the light and are walking away from the Democrats and that welfare plantation. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
Yes, in the past it was southern Democrats doing all the lynching in America.  Thankfully that doesn't happen anymore, but it's still Democrats that hold African Americans in the welfare plantation and are still the slaves of Democrats.  .  Many are starting to see the light and are walking away from the Democrats and that welfare plantation. 
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Do you mind letting me know if you have any aliases?  I want to make sure I get you 100% on ignore and not just 80%.  TIA.

 
AAABatteries said:
Do you mind letting me know if you have any aliases?  I want to make sure I get you 100% on ignore and not just 80%.  TIA.
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Sorry if the truth hurts.  It was Lyndon Johnson who created the welfare plantation and said he would have blacks voting for Democrats for the next 200 years.

 
JohnnyU said:
Yes, in the past it was southern democrats doing all the lynching in America.  Thankfully that doesn't happen anymore, but it's still Democrats that hold African Americans in the welfare plantation and are still the slaves of democrats.  .  Many are starting to see the light and are walking away from that plantation. 
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:mellow:

Welfare plantation? African Americans are still the slaves of Democrats?

A horrible stereotypical characterization of both Democrats and black people.

 
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if the truth hurts.  It was Lyndon Johnson who created the welfare plantation and said he would have blacks voting for Democrats for the next 200 years.
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I’m like Trump supporters, I don’t care about truth - I just don’t want to read your posts any more.  Is that a no to the aliases?

 
JohnnyU said:
Sorry if the truth hurts.  It was Lyndon Johnson who created the welfare plantation and said he would have blacks voting for Democrats for the next 200 years.
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Per Snopes, it is unproven that LBJ actually said that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

Did LBJ Say ‘I’ll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years’?

CLAIM

President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those s voting Democratic for 200 years."

President Lyndon B. Johnson supposedly made a crude racist remark about his party's voter base. There's little evidence to back it up.

RATING

UNPROVEN

[...]

LBJ’s comment about black people voting Democrat was supposedly uttered to two unnamed governors traveling with the president on Air Force One, but we only have one source — MacMillan, who claimed he overheard the exchange — and no corroboration from anyone else. And then there’s MacMillan’s editorializing: “It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.” And: “This was the attitude of these people who were championing civil rights.”

It’s not just that MacMillan gives the appearance of being a biased witness, but also that his cynical portrait is at odds with historical evidence showing that by the time Johnson took office after JFK’s assassination, he was fully committed to Kennedy’s civil rights legislation.  [...]

 
squistion said:
Per Snopes, it is unproven that LBJ actually said that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/

Did LBJ Say ‘I’ll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years’?

CLAIM

President B. Lyndon Johnson once said, "I'll have those s voting Democratic for 200 years."

President Lyndon B. Johnson supposedly made a crude racist remark about his party's voter base. There's little evidence to back it up.

RATING

UNPROVEN

[...]

LBJ’s comment about black people voting Democrat was supposedly uttered to two unnamed governors traveling with the president on Air Force One, but we only have one source — MacMillan, who claimed he overheard the exchange — and no corroboration from anyone else. And then there’s MacMillan’s editorializing: “It was strictly a political ploy for the Democratic party. He was phony from the word go.” And: “This was the attitude of these people who were championing civil rights.”

It’s not just that MacMillan gives the appearance of being a biased witness, but also that his cynical portrait is at odds with historical evidence showing that by the time Johnson took office after JFK’s assassination, he was fully committed to Kennedy’s civil rights legislation.  [...]
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Johnson used the "N word" in private often.  That is a fact.  Do I believe he said this?  Yes I do.  Regardless, it's obvious his programs did put blacks in the welfare plantation and has them voting Democrats.  I see that reversing, however slowly, but it will happen. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
Here is a well respected black women who thinks this way - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a3-Z73gIHY
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Fox commentator Candace Owens is a well respected black woman?

She is hardly an objective and unbiased source to be used to speak for all African Americans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

Candace Owens (born 1989)[1] is an American conservative commentator and activist. She is known for her pro-Trump stance and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party.[2][3][4] She is the Director of Communications at the conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA.

 
squistion said:
Fox commentator Candace Owens is a well respected black woman?

She is hardly an objective and unbiased source to be used to speak for all African Americans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

Candace Owens (born 1989)[1] is an American conservative commentator and activist. She is known for her pro-Trump stance and her criticism of Black Lives Matter and of the Democratic Party.[2][3][4] She is the Director of Communications at the conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA.
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She's a very smart women and is a true leader of the black community. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Johnson used the "N word" in private often.  That is a fact.  Do I believe he said this?  Yes I do.
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LBJ is considered the person most responsible for getting The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed. He couldn't have been too racist to have accomplished that.

Also, his use of the N word does not prove he said that he would have blacks voting for Democrats for the next 200 years.

 
squistion said:
LBJ is considered the person most responsible for getting The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed. He couldn't have been too racist to have accomplished that.

Also, his use of the N word does not prove he said that he would have blacks voting for Democrats for the next 200 years.
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Regardless whether he said it (and I believe he did), his programs ensured the black vote for Democrats (so far for decades).  I see that reversing. 

 
JohnnyU said:
She's a very smart women and is a true leader of the black community. 
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Most black people would disagree with that, as evidenced by a closer look at Candace Owens views on race relations. No wonder Fox loves her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

Race relations

Owens is known for her criticism of Black Lives Matter.[4][27][28][29] She has described Black Lives Matter protesters as "a bunch of whiny toddlers, pretending to be oppressed for attention."[30] Owens has argued that African Americans have a "victim mentality" and often refers to the Democratic Party as a "plantation".[21][27] She has argued that the American left "like black people to be government-dependent".[31] Owens has argued that black people have been brainwashed to vote for Democrats.[3] She has argued that police violence against black people is not about racism.[27][30] According to The Guardian and The Daily Beast, Owens has referred to police killings of black people as a trivial matter to African Americans.[21][8]

After the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Owens said that concern over rising white nationalism was “stupid”.[5]

 
squistion said:
Most black people would disagree with that, as evidenced by a closer look at Candace Owens views on race relations. No wonder Fox loves her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

Race relations

Owens is known for her criticism of Black Lives Matter.[4][27][28][29] She has described Black Lives Matter protesters as "a bunch of whiny toddlers, pretending to be oppressed for attention."[30] Owens has argued that African Americans have a "victim mentality" and often refers to the Democratic Party as a "plantation".[21][27] She has argued that the American left "like black people to be government-dependent".[31] Owens has argued that black people have been brainwashed to vote for Democrats.[3] She has argued that police violence against black people is not about racism.[27][30] According to The Guardian and The Daily Beast, Owens has referred to police killings of black people as a trivial matter to African Americans.[21][8]

After the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Owens said that concern over rising white nationalism was “stupid”.[5]
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I think she is making positive traction with her black communities.  It's a slow process to make people understand they are enslaved to a party because of the handouts started by Johnson, but I think in time this will reverse.  Black unemployment is at an all-time low under this president and I believe more and more African Americans are starting to see the truth.

 
JohnnyU said:
I think she is making positive traction with her black communities.  It's a slow process to make people understand they are enslaved to a party because of the handouts started by Johnson, but I think in time this will reverse.  Black unemployment is at an all-time low under this president and I believe more and more African Americans are starting to see the truth.
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Have you seen the graphs of black unemployment for the last 10 years? The decline started under Obama and has continued to the same degree under Trump, nothing to indicate that any of his policies (whatever they could be) have accelerated that trend.

 
squistion said:
Have you seen the graphs of black unemployment for the last 10 years? The decline started under Obama and has continued to the same degree under Trump, nothing to indicate that any of his policies (whatever they could be) have accelerated that trend.
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 Trump's pro-business policies, aggressive deregulation and GOP tax bill are having a direct effect on the economy. Obama regulations were choking the American economy. Trump's swift actions to undo Obama's efforts spurred the economy and encouraged businesses to create jobs.

 
JohnnyU said:
squistion said:
Have you seen the graphs of black unemployment for the last 10 years? The decline started under Obama and has continued to the same degree under Trump, nothing to indicate that any of his policies (whatever they could be) have accelerated that trend.
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 Trump's pro-business policies, aggressive deregulation and GOP tax bill are having a direct effect on the economy. Obama regulations were choking the American economy. Trump's swift actions to undo Obama's efforts spurred the economy and encouraged businesses to create j
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Doesn’t really seem like you addressed the meat of his point.  You ignored it and said something good about Trump.

 
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toshiba said:
Doesn’t really seem like you addressed the meat of his point.  You ignored it and said something good about Trump.
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Just a fact.  His policies and removing Obama's regulation policies has more to do with unemployment 

 
JohnnyU said:
toshiba said:
Doesn’t really seem like you addressed the meat of his point.  You ignored it and said something good about Trump.
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Just a fact.  His policies and removing Obama's regulation policies has more to do with unemployment 
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But that doesn’t address his point of Trumps trajectory being the same as Obama’s, or more specifically a continuation of Obama’s.

 
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squistion said:
:bs:

The fact is that statistics show that the trend of black unemployment dropping has continued to the same degree as it did under Obama, it has absolutely nothing to do with removing regulation policies or any action of Trump. Nothing.
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If you understood economics you would have a different point of view.

 
squistion said:
You ignore facts, statistics and graphs and then have the audacity to say I don't understand economics? :lol:
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In fairness, it should be noted the decline in the overall unemployment rate during the Obama Administration occurred over seven years, and President Trump has only been in office for 19 months  Still, it's a fact that black and Hispanic unemployment is at its lowest in history and that occurred under Trump's watch.  There is a lot at play and I don't think presidents should get all the credit for the unemployment rate however. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
In fairness, it should be noted the decline in the overall unemployment rate during the Obama Administration occurred over seven years, and President Trump has only been in office for 19 months
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But you can't get around the fact (as Toshiba noted) of Trumps trajectory being the same as Obama’s, or more specifically a continuation of Obama’s.

 
squistion said:
But you can't get around the fact (as Toshiba noted) of Trumps trajectory being the same as Obama’s, or more specifically a continuation of Obama’s.
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Like I said, there are a lot of factors at play with the unemployment rate, but Trump's deregulation and GOP tax bill has helped the economy in such a way that Obama couldn't.   People have more money in their pockets today than they did under Obama.  That is a fact.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Like I said, there are a lot of factors at play with the unemployment rate, but Trump's deregulation and GOP tax bill has helped the economy in such a way that Obama couldn't.   People have more money in their pockets today than they did under Obama.  That is a fact.
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This is the most ridiculous conversation, it has nothing to do with what Sharpton said. You and the other fellow raised it but you’re relying on the Breitbart link and you apparently have no clue why Sharpton said what he said.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
This is the most ridiculous conversation, it has nothing to do with what Sharpton said. You and the other fellow raised it but you’re relying on the Breitbart link and you apparently have no clue why Sharpton said what he said.
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Somehow I think I moved on to another conversation and left big Al at the last truck stop when he went to use the bathroom.

 
JohnnyU said:
Somehow I think I moved on to another conversation and left big Al at the last truck stop when he went to use the bathroom.
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Yes almost as if it was never a serious point, seeing as how he’s just a drive by commentator while his counterpart on the right Big Don is promoted all the way to the most powerful job in the world.

 
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