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***Official National Signing Day thread*** (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter gump
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Good day so far for the Gamecocks. Started by signing a former FSU commit at DE (Blake McClain) who has not even visited. Picked up Chris Lammons at CB over Wisconsin. Then just flipped DT Dexter Wideman from FSU. CB Wesley Green still to announce is the last piece of the puzzle.
Another year reloading at positions of need.
Another year reloading at positions of need.
One can only dream.....
gump
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gump
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Final Composite rankings:
Final rankings:
1 Alabama 26 6 15 5 93.68 319.65
2 LSU 23 4 12 7 92.33 297.59
3 Ohio State 23 1 15 7 92.38 296.06
4 Florida State 29 2 14 12 90.07 286.77
5 Texas A&M 21 3 11 7 91.36 277.35
6 Auburn 23 2 11 10 90.23 275.90
7 Tennessee 33 0 16 17 89.34 274.79
8 Georgia 21 3 10 8 90.97 273.38
9 Florida 24 1 8 15 89.61 267.75
10 Notre Dame 23 0 16 7 89.93 261.46
11 USC 19 2 8 8 90.27 260.54
12 Miami 26 1 7 18 88.33 255.72
13 Stanford 20 1 7 12 89.38 250.06
14 Oklahoma 27 1 7 18 87.51 248.45
15 South Carolina 21 0 10 11 88.85 241.50
16 Ole Miss 26 0 6 20 88.10 241.28
17 Texas 23 0 8 15 88.09 240.71
18 Clemson 20 0 10 10 88.67 240.66
19 UCLA 18 0 8 10 89.16 233.99
20 Michigan 16 1 8 7 89.90 233.54
21 Oregon 20 0 7 12 87.99 230.73
22 Kentucky 29 0 6 23 86.68 225.53
23 Arizona State 28 0 8 19 86.71 223.48
24 Penn State 25 0 5 20 86.80 222.38
25 Michigan State 23 1 3 19 86.74 219.63
Final rankings:
1 Alabama 26 6 15 5 93.68 319.65
2 LSU 23 4 12 7 92.33 297.59
3 Ohio State 23 1 15 7 92.38 296.06
4 Florida State 29 2 14 12 90.07 286.77
5 Texas A&M 21 3 11 7 91.36 277.35
6 Auburn 23 2 11 10 90.23 275.90
7 Tennessee 33 0 16 17 89.34 274.79
8 Georgia 21 3 10 8 90.97 273.38
9 Florida 24 1 8 15 89.61 267.75
10 Notre Dame 23 0 16 7 89.93 261.46
11 USC 19 2 8 8 90.27 260.54
12 Miami 26 1 7 18 88.33 255.72
13 Stanford 20 1 7 12 89.38 250.06
14 Oklahoma 27 1 7 18 87.51 248.45
15 South Carolina 21 0 10 11 88.85 241.50
16 Ole Miss 26 0 6 20 88.10 241.28
17 Texas 23 0 8 15 88.09 240.71
18 Clemson 20 0 10 10 88.67 240.66
19 UCLA 18 0 8 10 89.16 233.99
20 Michigan 16 1 8 7 89.90 233.54
21 Oregon 20 0 7 12 87.99 230.73
22 Kentucky 29 0 6 23 86.68 225.53
23 Arizona State 28 0 8 19 86.71 223.48
24 Penn State 25 0 5 20 86.80 222.38
25 Michigan State 23 1 3 19 86.74 219.63
Ministry of Pain
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Considering no one really spoke much about them I am delighted with this. Finally we got some big names form the local scene down here. Guys from St Thomas, Booker T, and Central.
Brad Kaaya-QB from West Hills in California should be a great prospect in a year or two. I love the the beef they got for both sides of the line. Brought in a couple of super tall WRs, like 6-5 type tall which should give us some added leaping ability for Kaaya. Chad Thomas the DE from Central is going to be a name folks hear, he's 6-5/230 and has a lot of speed for a DE, kind of built a bit like Jason Taylor so I look forward to watching him.
Congrads to the SEC for grabbing most of the top talent again. Maybe FSU and Miami eventually can get back some of that thunder. FSU has already taken that step, hoping Miami can follow suit in the next 2-3 years.
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psychobillies
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The gap between Ohio State and the rest of the Big 10 is ridiculous.
The Commish
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Usually it's between them and Michigan for top recruiting class in the B1G. With them taking 7 more players than Michigan, it really isn't a contest. However, if MSU continues on their current path and Franklin continues as he's doing at PSU, these rankings will change significantly. You get a better idea of the quality of class if you look at the average.
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gump
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gump
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Great class. Keeping up with UF and UGA...and gaining a ton of ground on Mizzou and some on SCar.
shader
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I have a feeling that Ohio State and FSU are going to benefit the most from the new playoff system. If they can keep recruiting like this, they will walk into the playoffs every year.
MoveToSkypager
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Don't Noonan
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Oregon is never going to be ranked in the top 5 in recruiting because of the location relative to where the athletes are coming from. Big disadvantage. However, they signed another good class with an average ranking of 3.40, 16th overall. By comparison, 3.47 in 2013,3.48 in 2012, 3.52 in 2011, and 3.35 in 2010.
SteevieG
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They did get some good prospects, but I believe their lofty ranking is due more to the quantity of players they signed rather than the quality. I don't think they gained much ground on Florida or any on Georgia.
But they did need depth and got it, so they have that going for them.
Orlando RMF
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It's interesting to note what they are rank is going into college. It would also be interesting to compare their rank coming out for the NFL draft. Like a net positive growth or decline at their time in that college program. I don't know if that makes sense, but by choosing a particular school/program did that enhance your abilities going pro or not?
Oregon usually slots in between 12 and 25 or so. Since 2008, they've been ranked (according to Scout): 23 (2008), 26 (2009), 13 (2010), 13 (2011), 15 (2012), 17 (2013).
They recruit to a system and it's been successful.
By the way, UCLA got destroyed on Signing Day. They were arguably runner ups (who knows one way or the other, though) for 5 stars Rashaan Evans, Malachi Dupre, Solomon Thomas and Adoree Jackson, and 4 stars Budda Baker, and Davon Gaudchaux.
The big problem is that UCLA either put their eggs in the wrong baskets or simply misread how good their chances were with the recruits. I'm pretty skeptical at the moment of the excuses coming out from UCLA about what went wrong with them. I don't think there is a real excuse. They simply got outrecruited and/or the recruits chose schools with whom they felt more comfortable.
I follow recruiting pretty closely and it felt like a kick in the balls with the way the day went (starting Tuesday night when Budda unexpectedly announced for UW), but UCLA got a pretty damn good class. It's a small class (with only 18 kids), but is 9th, according to scout, in average stars per recruit. I'm happy, but I'd have been ecstatic with the addition of Jackson or maybe one of Evans, Dupre or Baker.
The big problem is that UCLA either put their eggs in the wrong baskets or simply misread how good their chances were with the recruits. I'm pretty skeptical at the moment of the excuses coming out from UCLA about what went wrong with them. I don't think there is a real excuse. They simply got outrecruited and/or the recruits chose schools with whom they felt more comfortable.
I follow recruiting pretty closely and it felt like a kick in the balls with the way the day went (starting Tuesday night when Budda unexpectedly announced for UW), but UCLA got a pretty damn good class. It's a small class (with only 18 kids), but is 9th, according to scout, in average stars per recruit. I'm happy, but I'd have been ecstatic with the addition of Jackson or maybe one of Evans, Dupre or Baker.
The Commish
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Why isn't it more popular to list the classes based on "average star"?
gump
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Depth. The idea is there should be some weight given to filling more needs along with stars. A class of 23, with 7 more kids than a class of 16, is putting legit talent into more spots.
Joe T
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Not following the "more spots" part. I'd probably understand this perspective if these kids were evaluated year to year and a overall team score was kept track of, but I don't understand your point as it pertains to how the classes are done today. Is a class really "better" because they have 25 three stars rather than 15 four stars? If you're class is 25 large, it's because you're losing a lot. Everyone is 85 "deep".
gump
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Nope. I don't see stars going back to the 2009 class for ESPN, but he'd probably be a 4 star (#143 overall). He was a 4 star on scout.com, too.
You aren't always filling all of your spots. Some team's 85 "deep" might include a few walk-ons who are offered scholarships. UCLA could have, and would have, signed as many as 25 this year if they were elite players willing to jump in the boat. They'd have had to have freed up some scholarships.
A good reason for the filling "more spots" argument is to take a look at Southern Cal's recruiting classes the last three years. Their per star average rank, according to Scout, is: 4 (2014), 1 by a mile (2013), and 4 (2012). Their overall ranks, though, were: 10 (2014), 18 (2013), and 20 (2012).
Their roster is so thin that very few schools who have recruited with a roughly top 10 average over that time would trade their classes with Southern Cal's despite the elite talent they got in each class.
You need more spots to make up for the players that flame out/bust for whatever reason (injury/medical retirement, don't develop and leave, etc.) or leave early (jump to NFL and/or transfer). It gives you more "chances" to hit on players, even though the hit rate for 4 and 5 star players is better than for 3 star players. And, it allows you to weather the storm when your starters inevitably get injured throughout the year by inserting legitimate, high-major level players.
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wadegarrett
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Keerock
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Consensus 5 star and 2015 #1/#2 QB (depending on the site) Josh Rosen is announcing tomorrow at noon pacific. It would be a gigantic shock if he didn't pick UCLA.
That would give UCLA two early 5 stars and top rated players at their position (along with TE Alize Jones) and be a nice early start to the 2015 class.
That would give UCLA two early 5 stars and top rated players at their position (along with TE Alize Jones) and be a nice early start to the 2015 class.
gump
Footballguy
Alabama added the following commits at today's A-Day game:
Calvin Ridley (Pompano Beach, FL) - #41 overall, #3 WR
Minkah Fitzpatrick (Jersey City, NJ) - #30 overall, #4 CB, #1 in NJ
Shawn Burgess-Becker (Pompano Beach, FL) - #88 overall, #9 athlete
Leo Lewis (Brookhaven, MS) - #68 overall, #5 LB
Calvin Ridley (Pompano Beach, FL) - #41 overall, #3 WR
Minkah Fitzpatrick (Jersey City, NJ) - #30 overall, #4 CB, #1 in NJ
Shawn Burgess-Becker (Pompano Beach, FL) - #88 overall, #9 athlete
Leo Lewis (Brookhaven, MS) - #68 overall, #5 LB
gump
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@finebaum: A rival SEC assistant told @jeremycrabtree: "The recruiting race (for 2015) is over. Alabama has already wrapped up No. 1."
Slider6
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gump
Footballguy
Yea...long way to go for the out of state kids.
Slider6
Footballguy
It's crazy how much the recruiting cycle has moved forward. They really need to implement some kind of early signing period in the summer.Yea...long way to go for the out of state kids.
Concerns from UM message boards are that Ridley is possibly too old to play his Senior year and has atrocious grades (this was said before he committed, so it's not sour grapes)
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Maybe with all that #1 Talent Alabama is signing ... maybe just maybe Saban can sub in and out players and stop worrying about the hurry up offenses.
gump
Footballguy
It is. Coaches are more prepared and looking at kids at younger ages like never before. The good recruiters are ready to commit to kids now, and spring games help too.Slider6 said:It's crazy how much the recruiting cycle has moved forward. They really need to implement some kind of early signing period in the summer.gump said:Yea...long way to go for the out of state kids.Slider6 said:
Ramblin Wreck
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That just locks kids into schools only to watch coaches change jobs or get fired in December. We all know coaches are friendly and do the right thing and let kids out of their scholarships when situations like that occur too.Slider6 said:It's crazy how much the recruiting cycle has moved forward. They really need to implement some kind of early signing period in the summer.gump said:Yea...long way to go for the out of state kids.Slider6 said:
Concerns from UM message boards are that Ridley is possibly too old to play his Senior year and has atrocious grades (this was said before he committed, so it's not sour grapes)
gump
Footballguy
Then today, Blake Barnett chooses Bama over Oregon...after de-committing from Notre Dame.
Barnett is a 6'3" dual-threat and one of the top 6 QBs in the country (no doubt landed by Kiffin).
Great QB class...any of the top 6 could end up being #1.
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