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wadegarrett
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Worst kept secret around...Torrance Gibson to Ohio State.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Getting close. Thought I'd bump this up.
psychobillies
Footballguy
They've got 25 and 27 commits right now. I don't expect them to drop too far, but others should move up and shake up the rankings a bit when the classes are filled out.
Scout.com has UCLA closing with:
Soso Jamabo (TX) - 5 star, #18 overall, #1 RB
Chris Clark (CT) - 5 star, #23 overall, #1 TE
Dechaun Holiday (CA) - 4 star, #76 overall, #11 CB
Joseph Wicker (CA) - 4 star, #93 overall, #11 DT
Carlos Strickland (TX) - 4 star, #101 overall, #14 WR
They are split between Oklahoma and UCLA for 4 star, #163 overall, #10 OG, Josh Wariboko, out of Oklahoma.
UCLA is a finalist for, but predicted to lose out on:
Iman Marshall (CA) - 5 star, #7 overall, #1 CB (Southern Cal)
Osa Masina (UT) - 5 star, #19 overall, #2 OLB (Southern Cal)
Roquan Smith (GA) - 4 star, #62 overall, #1 MLB (Georgia)
Cassius Peat (AZ) - 4 star, #166 overall, #16 DE (currently committed to UCLA, but predicted flip to Arizona St.)
Benning Potoae (WA) - 4 star, #179 overall, #18 DE (Washington)
Ryan Newsome (TX) - 4 star, #193 overall, #26 WR (Texas)
Tyrone Wheatley (NY) - 4 star, #279 overall, #25 DE (Michigan)
UCLA is also trying to flip the #1 OG in the country, Maea Teuhema (TX), from LSU. He's officially visiting UCLA this weekend.
247's crystal ball, which seems to be pretty suspect until the day of each announcement, concurs with most of the above, although they've got UCLA as the leader for Wariboko and Chris Clark going to Michigan.
If UCLA lands all five of the players Scout.com is predicting they land and also Wariboko, then most UCLA fans would be very happy. Add any of the guys who they are finalists for, particularly Marshall, Masina or Potoae (position of need), then UCLA fans can't really ask for much more. The class would pretty much fill all needs with excellent talent, particularly at QB, RB and OL/DL.
Soso Jamabo (TX) - 5 star, #18 overall, #1 RB
Chris Clark (CT) - 5 star, #23 overall, #1 TE
Dechaun Holiday (CA) - 4 star, #76 overall, #11 CB
Joseph Wicker (CA) - 4 star, #93 overall, #11 DT
Carlos Strickland (TX) - 4 star, #101 overall, #14 WR
They are split between Oklahoma and UCLA for 4 star, #163 overall, #10 OG, Josh Wariboko, out of Oklahoma.
UCLA is a finalist for, but predicted to lose out on:
Iman Marshall (CA) - 5 star, #7 overall, #1 CB (Southern Cal)
Osa Masina (UT) - 5 star, #19 overall, #2 OLB (Southern Cal)
Roquan Smith (GA) - 4 star, #62 overall, #1 MLB (Georgia)
Cassius Peat (AZ) - 4 star, #166 overall, #16 DE (currently committed to UCLA, but predicted flip to Arizona St.)
Benning Potoae (WA) - 4 star, #179 overall, #18 DE (Washington)
Ryan Newsome (TX) - 4 star, #193 overall, #26 WR (Texas)
Tyrone Wheatley (NY) - 4 star, #279 overall, #25 DE (Michigan)
UCLA is also trying to flip the #1 OG in the country, Maea Teuhema (TX), from LSU. He's officially visiting UCLA this weekend.
247's crystal ball, which seems to be pretty suspect until the day of each announcement, concurs with most of the above, although they've got UCLA as the leader for Wariboko and Chris Clark going to Michigan.
If UCLA lands all five of the players Scout.com is predicting they land and also Wariboko, then most UCLA fans would be very happy. Add any of the guys who they are finalists for, particularly Marshall, Masina or Potoae (position of need), then UCLA fans can't really ask for much more. The class would pretty much fill all needs with excellent talent, particularly at QB, RB and OL/DL.
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psychobillies
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Teuhema committed when his brother signed on last year. I guess stranger things have happened, but I don't think it's likely. Apparently, they are a real tight family, and the brothers were a package deal.
I don't think it's likely, either, but he's supposedly been receptive to UCLA. He probably wants to take an official visit to L.A. When else would he get this opportunity? I don't really blame him.
And, it's Washington for Potoae. Oh well. The Bruins could have used him. Nice get for the Huskies.
Osa Masina (most likely to Southern Cal) and Ryan Newsome (most likely to Texas) are up next on UCLA's board, both announcing tomorrow.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Clemson has closed especially strong. Why so surprised I guess? We've won 10+ games each of the past 4 years including OOC wins over Auburn, UGA, LSU, SCar, Ohio State, and Oklahoma.
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bigmarc27
Footballguy
I think 247 only counts your top 20 commits in class rankings so numbers don't matter quite so much.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I didn't realize that, but some teams are still under 20 at this point. I'm not trying to diminish their classes, they could easily remain in the top five.bigmarc27 said:
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Absolutely, I didn't think you were. I actually doubt Clemson finishes top 5 because of what you said - lots of guys left to fall. I was just clarifying on the rankings - gone are the days where a team takes 34 *** guys and finishes top 5 (I remember a year where MD or UVA did that awhile back). I thankfully follow this less intently than I used to. I remember being late for a meeting so I could watch CJ Spiller's announcement live. I still get the urge to follow the last month, but don't get nearly as worked up about it anymore.
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The Commish
Footballguy
It's not diminishing to point out that quantity matters in these things. I don't know why, but they do. I rarely look at anything other than average star rating anymore. Seems more telling.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I tend to agree. Average star rating is as good an indicator as any, but sometimes you have to look at volume. A class with 25 is just a better thing to have than a class of 22.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I just switched from Rivals to 247 this week. So far, I'm glad I did. Boards are moderated better and there is more timely info. I'm mostly talking about the LSU specific stuff, but it seems to apply to the national stuff also, just to a lesser extent.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Nebraska's Rivals page is still probably the best overall Husker football news site, but I'm probably going to cancel my sub soon. I originally signed up years ago to see Rivals exclusive highlight videos, but those have since been replaced by everyone being on Hudl (shout out to those guys, Lincoln NE based company, I went to HS with couple of the founders).
I think you'll find that it's going to be school/site specific. UCLA's Scout site blows Rivals and 247's out of the water. And, I'm pretty sure that Scout has grabbed all of the "experts" from both Rivals' and 247's Southern Cal sites.
I'd probably say that if you live in the west region, then Scout would probably be the best. They have more scouts and recruiting coverage of the western players than Rivals and 247.
I know gump is a big fan of 247's Alabama site. Others may disagree, but it does seem to me that Rivals is on a downturn right now while Scout seems to be announcing hires from Rivals every month and 247 seems to be gobbling up a lot of Rivals' former base, too.
Just don't pay any attention to ESPN other than for announcements. Their former west coast scout/reporter, Greg Biggins, has pulled back the curtain a bit about their ranking "process" and that they are essentially a joke.
Masina's a Trojan. Again, not unexpected, but it's a larger blow to lose such a talent and to lose him to your rival. Great get for the Trojans.
Next one to go somewhere other than UCLA is Ryan Newsome from Texas who is expected to announce for Texas in a couple hours...His finalists are UCLA and Texas.
Newsome chose UCLA.
It's a huge surprise. Everything the UCLA people were hearing (and most didn't lend credence to it) was that he really wanted to go to UCLA, but that his family wanted him at Texas and that he'd pick Texas because of it. 247's crystal ball was 90% for Texas.
So, UCLA fans are pretty happy. He'll be the speedy slot receiver UCLA's been lacking the last few years.
Next up for UCLA is Carlos Strickland's announcement on Tuesday, January 27.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Iman Marshall is visiting LSU this weekend. If LSU somehow lands him, it'll be the best haul of DBs in recent memory.
derek245583
Footballguy
I read a tweet yesterday saying "Not a single 5* recruit will be playing in the Super Bowl"
That is hard to imagine/pretty telling
That is hard to imagine/pretty telling
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I don't know. I guess. I don't think stars are the end all be all of everything, but they do a pretty damn good job of picking out elite talent. Is there a huge difference between the 25th best ranked player and a 4 star guy who is ranked 100th? Probably not. That said, the really elite guys that Clemson has pulled lately were 5 stars - Spiller, Watkins, etc... It's a lot easier to work with hard-working 5 star guys than hard-working 3 star guys, but there's plenty of room for error just like in the NFL draft.
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derek245583
Footballguy
Right, I agree they arent the whole picture....but not 1 solitary 5 star of the 106 or whatever on the the Super Bowl rosters? Really?
Being over-hyped too early is not an easy thing for most kids to handle. Talent only gets you so far. The real stars are the ones who work their asses off and that doesn't show up in the number of *'s they get. So many super talented kids never pan out.
Just look at OU's 5 stars since 2002:
Joe Mixon '14
Trey Metoyer '12
Brandon Williams '11
RJ Washington '08
Stephen Good '08
Jermie Calhoun '08
Mike Reed '07
Gerald McCoy '06
Ryan Reynolds '05
DeMarcus Granger '05
Rhett Bomar '04
Adrian Peterson '04
Chris Patterson '04
Pasha Jackson '02
Zach Lattimer '02
Lance Mitchell '02
Whole lotta meh in there.
Capella
Footballguy
I don't follow it as much anymore but the point is not any one specific 5-star. It's to get as many 4s and 5s as you can because a whole lot of them will work out.
If you look at Bama, FSU, OSU recruiting these last few years, they are the teams killing it.
If you look at Bama, FSU, OSU recruiting these last few years, they are the teams killing it.
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gump
Footballguy
Agree it school or region specific when it comes to personnel..and as you mentioned I'm (and most Bama fans now) are with 247.
The guy who created Rivals quit, sat out his 2 year non-compete, then founded 247. He also runs the 247 Bama site personally (BamaOnline).
He's bringing a lot of new ideas and freshness to 247...such as the combined Composite ranking, the Crystal Ball for documenting predictions, etc. I think eventually we have less than 4, and 247 will be one standing.
bentley
Footballguy
This. Stars are good gauges of overall talent but it makes no sense to get all crazy about a single recruit.
gump
Footballguy
There are only 30-35 5-stars per year. So thats only 300-350 kids in a pool from the last 10 years that you're targeting.
And the pool is realistically smaller than that because the average career is so short.
And as mentioned, the difference between a 5-star and a large number of 4-stars is not very big...which is why they now rank every kid by a 4-digit number going up to 1.0000. Andrew Luck for example was a high 4-star.
gump
Footballguy
Love it. Everyone is in a tizzy now because of Murray's body language yesterday. This is going to be fun to watch.
gump
Footballguy
You know you'll reel me in with this...none of those schools do that. Bama signs 24-26 every year and the other two fluctuate more but still average less than 25 per.
gump
Footballguy
Cap brought up UF recruiting in the other thread...after digging a little, here's what I see:
- 10 commits with 16 spots left
- ranked 73 in composite
- 3 of the top 7 players in the country are from Florida and have UF currently leading
- there are a number of other 4 stars likely leaning UF
So they could make a huge leap next week...BUT...
- 1 of the 'Big 3' is all but gone, likely to Ole Miss...with Bama and AU trending
- another of the 'Big 3' is still alive, but trending to AU
So WED will be quite the dramatic day at UF, with ESPN also live on campus.
- 10 commits with 16 spots left
- ranked 73 in composite
- 3 of the top 7 players in the country are from Florida and have UF currently leading
- there are a number of other 4 stars likely leaning UF
So they could make a huge leap next week...BUT...
- 1 of the 'Big 3' is all but gone, likely to Ole Miss...with Bama and AU trending
- another of the 'Big 3' is still alive, but trending to AU
So WED will be quite the dramatic day at UF, with ESPN also live on campus.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Do y expect to pull Key? Spurrier kinda screwed your class up by the "2-3 years remaining" comment.
culdeus
Footballguy
Twitter has made lots of things better in this world. Giving high functioning 18 year old kids with questionable language skills the ability to broadcast is not one of them.
20 years ago kids didn't make up their mind till the last 5 days or so, and just waited for the guy with the biggest sack of cash to show up. They were like expiring options contracts.
The internet would have melted down.
20 years ago kids didn't make up their mind till the last 5 days or so, and just waited for the guy with the biggest sack of cash to show up. They were like expiring options contracts.
The internet would have melted down.
Ran off a few highly regarded prospects, but they still are going to have a class of 30 or more kids. Excited about a lot of the D-line guys. Like what I have read about the JuCo DB Boyd, who was a backfill for earlier decommits.
I don't subscribe to the sites, so I don't know the latest on Key. Whole thing seems odd to me. I have heard he is close to Ward. Maybe that uncertainty is what drove it. Either way, I'd rather have upgraded at DC.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Per the recruit's father, Michigan lost out on flipping another Nebraska DE recruit because he basically called the kid dumb and poor to his face. Something to the effect of "you're only going to get into Michigan because of your athletics." Apparently the dad essentially kicked out the Michigan assistant after he said that and they confirmed their commitment to Nebraska the next morning. It very well might be true that he couldn't get in, but apparently they didn't do their homework on how that statement would be perceived by someone outside of the Michigan bubble.
It's probably true. Michigan is an excellent school that is extremely difficult to get into.
But, I just don't understand why a coach would ever say that to a recruit/parent. Talk about how great the degree is and how great the school is. In what world does it seem like a good recruiting strategy to follow up the value of the degree by stating, "without football, you wouldn't be able to attend Michigan."
It looks like UCLA and Michigan are going to be going head to head for a bunch of kids moving forward. Michigan is trying to flip a bunch of UCLA commits, but thus far, have been rebuffed. I don't expect Michigan to do very well down the stretch this year, but starting with the 2016 class, they are going to be pulling in some very good classes. Harbaugh was hired late in the process and has only had about 2 weeks to recruit in person. It's just going to be too late for a lot the 4 and 5 star guys with equivalent options.
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Joe T
Footballguy
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
Can you push just one of these guys to the Gophers? They need a starter. TIA
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I get why someone would be mad about that statement - but conversely if you could get into a prestigious academic institution via athletics and took advantage of that opportunity to actually get an outstanding education - then it is a valid selling point. Delivery could be better, though.
The Commish
Footballguy
It was Greg Mattison that was on the visit and he told the kid he was getting into Michigan because of football. It went downhill from there with the father. If we are to believe the information out there with respect to the kid's grades, Mattison was right. He wouldn't have made the cut just going as an average Joe. Had nothing to do with being "dumb" though. I suspect part of this story, or most of it was significantly blown out of proportion and/or misunderstood OR Mattison was temporarily possessed by a meanie and said awful things.
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