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** Official New England Patriots Off-Season thread ** (2 Viewers)

They need a new cam corder opperator. They aren't too good without filming the other team prior to a game.

 
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I wouldn't complain about peppers, but that dude has a pretty fat price tag.

I'd like to see the linebacking corps addressed, though.

 
The only positive to come out of today's shalacking is that they do not finish in the final 8 which means they will not have any of the restrictions on signing free agents. If you were like me and thought their shot at winning a championship was extremely slim then this might be the best thing that could happen for the 2010 and 2011 Patriots.

All comes down to Kraft opening the checkbook. Give me any of Dansby, Peppers, Dunta Robinson, Marshall, VJax. Money should not be an issue with the amount of revenue they bring in.

 
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Is it 100% certain that Bellicheck comes back next season? I wouldnt be shocked if he stepped down.

 
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.

 
ratbast said:
Competitive depth at LB, DL, OL and RB. I would love to see a fresh every down RB.
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For fantasy purposes, RB will definitely be an interesting situation to watch.Maroney had his moments, but with the fumbling issue down the stretch, I don't think Belicheck will ever trust him again to be the feature back. Morris, Taylor and Faulk are also on the wrong side of 30 and best used in situational roles. Law Firm seems destined as a career backup.
 
They need to start with hiring a top-notch offensive coordinator. They seemed completely unable to make adjustments to the offensive game plan once the game started. Their general M.O. for the year was to come out and score a bunch of points in the first half only to hang on for dear life in the second half. The fault for that lies at the feet of the offensive coordinator. I liked what they were back in the days of Weis. They were alot of fun to watch with Josh McDaniel. Those offenses were effective because the coordinator had an effective scheme and an understanding of how to adjust that scheme to how their opponent was playing defense.

This year, it felt like they were just running plays that had worked in the past without regard to their opponent.

When they were at their peak in the early 2000s, they seemed to be the best at making half time adjustments. They were always going to find what the other team wasnt prepared to stop. That is no longer the case.

 
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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All teams end up this ay as the "lunch pail" guys get hurt or move on for bigger paychecks.Without sounding snarky about the whole "video tape gate" thing: How much of the half time adjustments and other shortcomings may be due to the loss of this "edge" that they had for so many years. They had a great team and were mad as hell about the findings which definitely helped motivate them to 16-0, but since then, they have been flat.Also, what about wolfork? He is a FA in an uncapped year and wants a big contract. This team is not done by any means, but it seems to have lost its "edge". Brady is back from an injury but his pocket command is shakier than it used to be (injury), moss is getting shut down by some corners, and welker seems to be all the heart this team has left. Miami and New York are getting better, so the 1st round bye that helped the patriots so much is gone as well...
 
Itchy Amos said:
They need to start with hiring a top-notch offensive coordinator. They seemed completely unable to make adjustments to the offensive game plan once the game started. Their general M.O. for the year was to come out and score a bunch of points in the first half only to hang on for dear life in the second half. The fault for that lies at the feet of the offensive coordinator. I liked what they were back in the days of Weis. They were alot of fun to watch with Josh McDaniel. Those offenses were effective because the coordinator had an effective scheme and an understanding of how to adjust that scheme to how their opponent was playing defense. ger the case.
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It's kind of hard to get a good coordinator in New England since they all bolt for HC jobs after a year or two.
 
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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I just think that their defensive core got old and moved on, Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Seymour,Vrabel,Ty Law etc. Thats a lot of solid players to replace. The O is as good as it ever was but when pressed Brady seems to be making alot of mistakes lately
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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I just think that their defensive core got old and moved on, Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Seymour,Vrabel,Ty Law etc. Thats a lot of solid players to replace. The O is as good as it ever was but when pressed Brady seems to be making alot of mistakes lately
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So how much do u hate the Patriots again cuz?
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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I just think that their defensive core got old and moved on, Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Seymour,Vrabel,Ty Law etc. Thats a lot of solid players to replace. The O is as good as it ever was but when pressed Brady seems to be making alot of mistakes lately
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They scored 172 fewer points than they did 2 years ago with predominetly the same offense. I'm not sure why people keep saying their offense is just as good. And they only allowed 11 more points than in 2007. Had the offense done anything in the second half of games this year, people would not be saying the defense was terrible.
 
While they address off-season needs and moves, any chance they work on an offensive scheme that would allow for Welker (when healthy) and Edelman on the field at the same time? I just couldn't imagine how a team could defend against Moss, Welker and Edelman all at once. Yes, it would be a change from having 1 small WR doing the over-the-middle stuff, but how could you defend 2 doing that, with the Moss threat on the outside?

Sorry Pats fans for the arly exit, but I still have to thank the Brady/Moss combo for helping deliver my championship!

 
David Yudkin said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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I just think that their defensive core got old and moved on, Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Seymour,Vrabel,Ty Law etc. Thats a lot of solid players to replace. The O is as good as it ever was but when pressed Brady seems to be making alot of mistakes lately
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They scored 172 fewer points than they did 2 years ago with predominetly the same offense. I'm not sure why people keep saying their offense is just as good. And they only allowed 11 more points than in 2007. Had the offense done anything in the second half of games this year, people would not be saying the defense was terrible.
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:shrug:After a horrible start yesterday, the defense and special teams gave the offense every chance to get them back in the game. It just didn't happen. The offensive looked completely inept all game long.
 
Offseason needs: O-Coordinator (with some imagination), 2-3 DE/OL, RB (bye bye laurence macaroni), WR? or TE?, 1-2 OT. What do people think?

O-Coordinator just seems obvious. I think anyone who watched even half of the games this season could tell that the plays being called just seem.... stale. Who then? Idk.

No pass rush, again another obvious area that needs imporvement (as said in this thread already). The pats are defintely setup to get some nice rookie OL's in the draft, but whether they do or not is the big question.

I don't think Macaroni is leaving (unfortunately), but its obvious that he will never get as good as he was hyped up to be as a first-rounder. You have three ageing RB, so new legs would be nice.

WR was with a question mark, because they have plenty of WR's, but are any of them a consistent and dependable 3rd WR, which the pats needed all year (thanks Galloway!)? Although I think Aiken is good, I don't think he will become a consistent threat. That being said, do you go for a new TE, considering there was a lack in production in Watson in Baker (in my opinion). Was that because of offensive schemes that did not utilize them as effectively in the pass game? Maybe.

With Brady in the backfield, and Light and Koppen getting smacked around, OT's seem like a no brainer. :confused:

 
Any way we can get Pioli back? Joking obviously, but I am not when i say the we need to take a few things off of BB's plate. He very obviously cannot do everything all at once.

other things needed are an OT, a completely revamped offensive scheme that doesnt revolve around a speedster, either a signed VW or franchise tag slapped on him, linebackers and some depth on the DL. Also a real friggin running back. not taking anything away from what faulk and morris bring to the table, but they need a grinder.

a lot needs to be done.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
David Yudkin said:
One of the biggest issues is that the Pats used to be made up of lunch pail guys and now they have a bunch of players that are more the latte crowd. They have gotten away from smash mouth football and it's been a long time since they punched anyone in the mouth like they used to.
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I just think that their defensive core got old and moved on, Bruschi, Harrison, McGinest, Seymour,Vrabel,Ty Law etc. Thats a lot of solid players to replace. The O is as good as it ever was but when pressed Brady seems to be making alot of mistakes lately
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Not to be a wise guy but you obviously didn't watch many Pats games. Their O is a shell of what it once was, except for a few glimmers.
 
I'm surprised Patriot fans aren't clamoring for a WR or 2.

Moss looks done , Welker won't be around next season & Aiken should just be a special team player

looks like only Edelman & Tate

 
HellToupee said:
I'm surprised Patriot fans aren't clamoring for a WR or 2. Moss looks done , Welker won't be around next season & Aiken should just be a special team playerlooks like only Edelman & Tate
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Moss was 1st in the league in TD and 5th in receiving yards. You consider that done?Walker should be able to play (clearly not at 100%) halfway through the season. I don't think Moss-Welker-Edelman-Tate is terrible as a top four. They will probably add someone else, but I think they have bigger fish to fry elsewhere.
 
Stating the obvious, but the trade of Seymour (at the time) made me believe that Belichick had decided that his team had a very long shot at a championship this year. He's in the relatively enviable position of having a secure job for almost as long as he wants it, so he can make decisions that hurt in the short term, but help in the long run. Just like he could afford to throw a flyer at Tate in the draft, and trade out of the first round in order to avoid tying up cap space in a higher draft pick (until the new CBA is out). He has probably 5 or 6 years of Brady being as good or better than he was when he won his first three rings, so there is a reasonable window of opportunity.

They need an OC who can mix it up. The play calling wasn't always atrocious, but they had a bad habit of having success in the running game in the first drive or two, then never going back to it with any consistency regardless of the game conditions. Sure, it worked sometimes, but primarily against the lower echelon of teams.

The defense is young, and it shows. It's hard to say where this unit is going. It's actually hard to figure out which direction this team is going at all, since they have something like 17 players they need to re-sign, release, or protect. It'll be a very interesting off-season, that's for sure.

After a decade of mostly weak competition in the division, the Dolphins and Jets are no longer the pushovers they once were. There is an excellent chance that either of those teams becomes the class of the AFC East in the coming years. It's going to be pretty exciting to watch, both the games on the field and on the board here.

 
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bulger2holt said:
They need a new cam corder opperator. They aren't too good without filming the other team prior to a game.
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They just had perhaps the best rebuilding year in the history of sports. :lmao:
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You're joking, correct?
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No. I think 10-6 is pretty solid for a rebuilding year. Who's done better?
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I'm saying they didnt rebuild anything. They got brady back and traded one valuable player. Pretty standard stuff for an organization.
 
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IDrinkyourMilkshake said:
captain_amazing said:
IDrinkyourMilkshake said:
Dean Pees...GONE
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Now do the Pats outsource for a DC or do they hire from within, like then normally do? Sounds like Al Groh may be a potential candidate, but we all now how much BB likes to promote fro within these type of vacant positions. Maybe Matt Patricia, LB coach?
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I'm a little perplexed that BB didn't give Romeo a go. Are they on bad terms?
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I thought I read that Crennel went to KC?Yep...I did This Patriots reunion in KC is missing something

 
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bulger2holt said:
They need a new cam corder opperator. They aren't too good without filming the other team prior to a game.
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Spygate happened right at the beginning of the 2007 season. Since then, the Patriots have gone (including the playoffs) 18-1 (2007), 11-5 (2008), and 10-7 (2009). That's pretty damn good. Maybe you should consider a new username before discussing teams or players that truly aren't that good.
 
The Patriots biggest need is not one that could be easily fixed -- leadership.

I agree with Troy Brown's latest statement that the Patriots lack leadership, particularly on the defense. Almost simultaneously, the Pats lost Bruschi, Vrabel, Harrison, and Seymour. That's a huge hit talent-wise to any defense, but who are the vocal leaders on the defense that stepped up to fill the void those mentioned players left behind? I can't think of any.

I would like to see the Pats bring in a veteran that commands respect and plays with toughness. The Pats had a lull in their defense in 2002, they brought Rodney Harrison in for 2003, and the Pats were right back to winning Super Bowls. I'd like to see a similar type acquisition this off-season if possible.

 
HellToupee said:
I'm surprised Patriot fans aren't clamoring for a WR or 2.
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They do need a legitimate 3rd receiver. Edelman looks promising, but in the slot should Welker miss time. They need another threat out wide. One thing that has always astonished me while watching Brady, and it's what made the Patriots so difficult to defend during their Super Bowl years, is Brady's ball distribution. This year, however, those balls seemed to go exclusively to two men -- Welker and Moss (and Edelman only when replacing Welker).Ideally, Tate would become the other guy the Pats so desperatley need. The Pats should either draft or pursue another receiver in free agency in case Tate doesn't pan out.
 
Jewell said:
HellToupee said:
I'm surprised Patriot fans aren't clamoring for a WR or 2.
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One thing that has always astonished me while watching Brady, and it's what made the Patriots so difficult to defend during their Super Bowl years, is Brady's ball distribution. This year, however, those balls seemed to go exclusively to two men -- Welker and Moss (and Edelman only when replacing Welker).
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I hear this a lot, but I don't really get it. When the pats were winning superbowls they had wr's like Deion Branch, David Patten, David Givens, and aging Troy Brown- etc. None of those guys ever beat a double, and they were simply, average to slightly above average wr's. Brady simply thew it to the guy who was most open, and that was typically based on team match up ( a team had a small corner who couldn't match up with Givens, a less fluid corner who struggled with Branch going into and out of his breaks) or a read at the line of scrimmage (beat up the nickelback, or the rookie in coverage). I still think Brady throws it to the guy who is most likely to catch the ball. It just so happens Randy Moss double covered still is more likely to catch the ball than Sam Aiken or Isiah Stanback. Wes Welker is always more open than just about anyone.I agree that New England needs a third wr of at least Jabar Gaffney/Reche Caldwell calibre, which they don't currently have. They need to at least threaten the field from with three competent wr's, and have some depth.
 
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