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***Official NFL Combine Catch-All Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Lehigh98
Footballguy
NFL Scouting Combine Live Drills begins Thursday, March 2nd
- Thursday, March 2nd, 3pm ET – Defensive Linemen and Linebackers
- Friday, March 3rd, 3pm ET – Defensive Backs
- Saturday, March 4th, 1pm ET – Quarterbacks, Wide Receivers, Tight Ends.
- Sunday, March 5th, 1pm ET – Running Backs, Offensive Linemen.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
“catch the spirit, catch the spit”.
-Neal Peart
-Neal Peart
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Biggest news so far is really the smallest news. Bryce Young looked awfully small coming into the combine. Walking next to a huge TE probably was setting him up for that.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Bryce Young Arrives at the Combine
Carrying a Buccaneers bag! Jon Favreau's character in Rudy exclaims: "He's so little!"
Carrying a Buccaneers bag! Jon Favreau's character in Rudy exclaims: "He's so little!"
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He shoulda come in wearing the 5” heels with fish in them from I’m Gonna Get you, Sucka
So far for me the biggest news on been regarding veteran players and picking up on or choosing to believe GM/coach speak or not.
Keenan Allen being traded or released seems out. Higgins being traded seems out. Out as in not happening.
Tampa, and Fournette, letting us know he's out. GM's confirming both Dalvin and Mixon's roster status are under review. Paton telling us Javonte will be ready week one. Dallas indicting they were ready to use the tag on Pollard.
Jag's indicating one way or another Evan Engram will not reach FA.
Feel like I'm forgetting a ton of stuff but not much on rookie's so far, which is par for the course. A lot of these GM's only talk now and after the draft and never again so really what they are putting out right now, since we don't hear from them often, and if you choose to believe it or not, is the biggest storyline IMO.
Keenan Allen being traded or released seems out. Higgins being traded seems out. Out as in not happening.
Tampa, and Fournette, letting us know he's out. GM's confirming both Dalvin and Mixon's roster status are under review. Paton telling us Javonte will be ready week one. Dallas indicting they were ready to use the tag on Pollard.
Jag's indicating one way or another Evan Engram will not reach FA.
Feel like I'm forgetting a ton of stuff but not much on rookie's so far, which is par for the course. A lot of these GM's only talk now and after the draft and never again so really what they are putting out right now, since we don't hear from them often, and if you choose to believe it or not, is the biggest storyline IMO.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Pretty massive cap number. This is the one I believe.
I edited my post because I messed up in the Engram part and also my phrasing of "out" was unclear now that I read it. Just so we are on the same page in the case of Allen and Higgins when I said out I mean as in trading or releasing them is not happening. I never thought Higgins being traded was on the table, I did think shedding Allen due to some cap issues and need for speed was a possibility. I don't anymore and really the way Herbert leaned on Allen when he was healthy last year should have been a better indicator to me of his value to Herbert.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Such a classic movie
massraider
Footballguy
Calijah Kancey, Mazi Smith. DT
There's some EDGE guys who will put on a show. Myles Murphy, Tyree Wilson, Will McDonald.
Great year for EDGE guys. Also TE. Dynasty drafter should pay attention to TE, it goes like 10 deep this year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I love the 40 yard dash for DLs. lol
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Calijah did not disappoint. 95th+ percentile speed at 6'1 280. He is probably the first "riser"
EDIT: they updated his 40 time to 4.67 100th percentile. Fastest 40 time ever for a DT.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Are there always this many fat guys? (o)(o)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Maybe they can give some tips to Bryce Young.
massraider
Footballguy
I want this guy to be a thing so bad.
His arms are short, even for a small DT. That's definitely a problem, but if you are going to overcome that, you are probably the kind of DT that run 4.67 in Indy.
Highly recommend going down a Cancey YouTube rabbit hole.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Hopefully ok to post this. I'm not affiliated in any way. Good insights. https://gbnreport.com/
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The dimensions are a bit different but the body type reminds me of Javon Hargrave. Big bottom, small on top.
The hands are as quick as the feet. Won't be able to use him as a 1-tech, he'll get double teamed, and he's not a complete DT in that he won't be a run stuffer. But he gets the best leverage of any DI in this draft. Presents a very small target for OL to hit. He's going to generate a lot of pressures as a 3-tech and running stunts with the Edge rusher alongside.
Had him around 20th pre-combine but he's probably going top ten now. There are smaller lineman who are better in stopping the run (Moro Ojomo Texas) and you could fill an escalade with 1-techs who are 330-340, big uns who can occupy two blockers while someone else makes the play. But outside of Carter you won't find a DI in this class who causes more problems as a pass rusher.
massraider
Footballguy
If he can create inside pressure, something most teams lack, no one will care.
I always think about the Belichick front office mantra. Don't tell me what he cannot do, what CAN he do? When Deion was playing, it was, oh he doesn't support the run, he doesn't stick his nose in there. LOL, guy was the biggest threat to the passing game ever, I wouldn't care if he ran off the field every time there was a run.
Thing about a guy this size, is there is no middle ground. He will either be a quick DT that no guard can get his hands on, Aaron Donald-lite, or he'll be a total bust who gets smothered every play.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Most first rounders are about a 50-50 prop on whether they hit. I think the best hit rate is for OL (usually LT) but they're all about the same. Not sure what the breakdown is for say Picks 1-10, 11-20 and 21-32. Intuitively you would think marginally higher but it's kind of amazing - considering the level of effort in scouting - how many first rounders don't pan out.
Anyway, Calijah is a great fit for Detroit. Obviously I was hoping he would be there at 1.18 but if they are satisfied with his interview he should be on the short list of candidates for 1.06 (Rams pick from Stafford trade.) Tremendous upside with rare traits and probably no more risk than anyone else they had in mind (Tyree Wilson, Devon Witherspoon, Christian Gonzales.)
Perfect world we trade back 2-3 spots, pick up a 2nd or 1st/2nd from 2024, and still land the guy on top of the Lions board.
massraider
Footballguy
His consensus seems to be at top of the 2nd round.
Obviously that can change, but I don't think top 10 is in the cards, right now. Kiper mocked him top 10 recently, but that might just be that mock clickbait that we are all taking in this time of year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Thanks, don't really pay attention to pre-combine mocks since everything changes so much after Indy. I do mock a lot at PFF and PFN (the former has custom sliders so you can get some variance), and he's mid-second there. IIRC he's early 3rd on PFN but their rankings are kind of janky.
Would be awesome if Detroit started their draft with a Top 2 CB and followed it up with Kancey, but there are always a couple head scratchers every draft so who knows.
ETA: Kancey is #14 on the PFF big board. His ADP on their mock simulator is 20.6.
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massraider
Footballguy
Edge Nolan Smith ran 4.4 and his Georgia teammates were watching:
Awesome
Awesome
foxco
Footballguy
That really is awesome. Like faith restored in humanity awesome.
massraider
Footballguy
Nolan had some crazy workout numbers, and it is worth mentioning that he was the Alpha for the Georgia team, which is saying something.
But he's 6'2, 238. That's a problem. There are a good amount of comps at that size, pass rushing OLB come out that size every year. He's short and he's light.
Nolan Smith, 6'2"/238, 4.39 40, 41.5 vertical
Barkley, 6'0"/233, 4.4 40, 41 vertical
Looking at this and how fast some of the DL are running I can't help but wonder if some of them, like Nolan Smith, would have been RB's like 15+years ago before their life expectancy and money dwindled.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Edge who is an edge case. Read a scouting report that said there's not a single NFL ED playing at 235 or less (I missed what he weighed in this week but pre-draft he was at 235. Will McyouDonald is another smallish ED at 236.
IDK, if you're twitched up and you've been beating future NFLers for years, you can play. Almost feels like there is a bit of a trend across several positions (WR, ED, cover OLB) that quicks are more important than a few pounds of muscle mass. Seeing skinny wideouts, sub-w40 pass rushers, sub-230 off-balls that can drop into coverage.
ETA: Smith is 238 (2 posts up) my bad
massraider
Footballguy
It's kind of like our discussion about Kancey, he woulda be an outlier at that size. Not impossible, but it's not ideal.
The phrase that I learned when Khalil Mack came on the scene was "speed to power". The real pass rushers in the the NFL aren't just fast around the corner. They speed to the corner, and if the OT gets there, which most can, they have the strength to turn an edge rush into a bull rush. The guys who only have speed don't have a backup when speed fails.
I have no idea about Nolan Smith, but he will have to be freakishly strong for his size to make it on the edge.
Or they can convert him to WR, because he's pretty much Calvin Johnson, physically
massraider
Footballguy
He's one of those guys I don't care about his combine. It's just what level of physical freak he is. No surprises from him.
Van Ness is a guy to watch. His YouTube is fun. He would make a great bookend to Maxx Crosby
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
With the Bench Press yet to be completed, Nolan Smith has a RAS of 9.99
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I think Jarvis Landry's undisputed title of worst RAS ever is still safe but we'll see when the little guys come in this weekend
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
more incomplete RAS scores (most lacking Bench, at least one hasn't recorded his vertical yet
Colby Wooden ED Auburn 9.55
Lukas Van Ness ED Iowa 9.75
Jalen Redmond DI Oklahoma 9.68
Zacch Pickens DI South Carolina 9.54
Keeanu Benton DI Wisconsin 8.65
Isaiah Foskey ED Notre Dame 9.55
Siaki Ika NT Baylor 2.02
(bruh is 358 pounds)
Isaiah Land ED Florida A & M 7.97
(probably the best HBCU prospect)
Henry To'o To'o LB Alabama 5.63
Noah Sewell LB Oregon 6.96
Owen Pappoe LB Auburn 8.64
Demarvion Overshown LB Texas 9.42
Daiyan Henley LB Washington State 7.93
Derrick Hall ED Auburn 9.24
Jack Campbell LB Iowa 9.61
PJ Mustipher DT Penn State 1.42 *
* alright let's amend that Landry snark to worst RAS of anyone who had a good career, but dang, 0.27 is still pretty awful
Caleb Murphy ED Ferris State 5.84
(Caleb set the all-time CFB sack record for any level last fall with 25.5 as Ferris won their second straight DII national title. He went to the Shrine Bowl and was one of the last Combine invitations extended. He is the first player from FCS to win the Ted Hendricks Award. NFL.com draft profile has him as a bakcup/STer. Keep grinding and chasing that dream, kid.)
Colby Wooden ED Auburn 9.55
Lukas Van Ness ED Iowa 9.75
Jalen Redmond DI Oklahoma 9.68
Zacch Pickens DI South Carolina 9.54
Keeanu Benton DI Wisconsin 8.65
Isaiah Foskey ED Notre Dame 9.55
Siaki Ika NT Baylor 2.02
(bruh is 358 pounds)
Isaiah Land ED Florida A & M 7.97
(probably the best HBCU prospect)
Henry To'o To'o LB Alabama 5.63
Noah Sewell LB Oregon 6.96
Owen Pappoe LB Auburn 8.64
Demarvion Overshown LB Texas 9.42
Daiyan Henley LB Washington State 7.93
Derrick Hall ED Auburn 9.24
Jack Campbell LB Iowa 9.61
PJ Mustipher DT Penn State 1.42 *
* alright let's amend that Landry snark to worst RAS of anyone who had a good career, but dang, 0.27 is still pretty awful
Caleb Murphy ED Ferris State 5.84
(Caleb set the all-time CFB sack record for any level last fall with 25.5 as Ferris won their second straight DII national title. He went to the Shrine Bowl and was one of the last Combine invitations extended. He is the first player from FCS to win the Ted Hendricks Award. NFL.com draft profile has him as a bakcup/STer. Keep grinding and chasing that dream, kid.)
Van Ness is a guy I am a huge fan of. Honestly thought his showing was every bit as impressive as Kancey's, and moreso than Nolan Smith's. Its a steal if he makes it past the Texans at #12 in my eyes.
The biggest winner today in my opinion is Northwestern DE Adetomiwa Adebawore, who I had as an early-mid 2nd round pick, he killed it. 4.49 at 282 pounds, and most impressively, a 37.5 inch vertical. Somebody is taking him in round 1.
The biggest loser may have been BJ Ojulari. Came up shorter and lighter than his college listing (6-2 248) and ran a disaster 4.8 as a speed rusher and had a 32.5 vertical. He may have gone from late 1st/early 2nd pick, to day 3.
ETA: Tuli Tuipolotu being 266 (listed at 290) and not running was weird. I know college sizes aren't official, but I can't recall the last time a guy's listed size was THAT far off before.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Feel like he should be #1. If I’m Chicago I’m not sure I fart around moving back. Whoever gets Anderson is getting the best player and this will be one of those drafts in 10 years where you look back and laugh at how dumb these GMs are for overthinking it and taking QBs.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
Nolan Smith has KILLED it at the NFL Combine.
Smith jumped 41.5” in the vertical, which is in the 98th percentile.
Jumped 10’8” in the broad jump, which is in the 95th percentile.
And posted a 4.44 40-yard dash, which is faster than DeAndre Hopkins and Stefon Diggs.
The Georgia OLB made some MONEY
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Matt Owen
@ProfessorO_NFL
Crushed the interviews too
-OZ-
Footballguy
Flashbacks to 2006. When the Texans took super Mario over VY, Leinart and cutler. Those three aren’t horrible comps for 3 of the big 4 this year - Richardson is VY without the college success, Stroud gets to be this year’s Leinart, while Levis has been compared to cutler. Bryce is an outlier.
Bijuan hopefully has more success than Reggie bush but Reggie was among the most hyped players I can recall.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
What is a Relative Athletic Score? What to know about the NFL Combine player evaluation tool
...Relative Athletic Score (RAS) is a metric that takes all of a player's NFL Combine measurables — height, weight, wingspan, hand size, athletics and drill results — and boils them down into one number, on a scale of 0 (lowest) to 10 (highest). The metric also takes position into account, to make sure that positions are judged against each other accordingly. Hence the "Relative" part of the name.
RAS is a useful tool for draftniks and analysts because that number can then be compared against historical values put up by combine attendees since 1987...
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https://twitter.com/ilananalytics
@ilananalytics
DE leaders in pressures in 2022 with their RAS:
Micah Parsons: 9.59
Nick Bosa: 9.44
Haason Reddick: 9.06
Maxx Crosby: 9.63
Za’Darius Smith: 3.73 :(
Jaelan Phillips: 9.87
Josh Allen: 9.74
Danielle Hunter: 9.88
Trey Hendrickson: 9.53
Myles Garrett: 9.98
Trend is obvious
...Relative Athletic Score (RAS) is a metric that takes all of a player's NFL Combine measurables — height, weight, wingspan, hand size, athletics and drill results — and boils them down into one number, on a scale of 0 (lowest) to 10 (highest). The metric also takes position into account, to make sure that positions are judged against each other accordingly. Hence the "Relative" part of the name.
RAS is a useful tool for draftniks and analysts because that number can then be compared against historical values put up by combine attendees since 1987...
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I
https://twitter.com/ilananalytics
@ilananalytics
DE leaders in pressures in 2022 with their RAS:
Micah Parsons: 9.59
Nick Bosa: 9.44
Haason Reddick: 9.06
Maxx Crosby: 9.63
Za’Darius Smith: 3.73 :(
Jaelan Phillips: 9.87
Josh Allen: 9.74
Danielle Hunter: 9.88
Trey Hendrickson: 9.53
Myles Garrett: 9.98
Trend is obvious
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Tuipulotu after reading your post
(think the intern holding the bag had to go to the medical tent after that)
any 20 year olds at the Combine besides? BJ turns 21 in a month, Tuli in September.
BJ had an aweseome Senior Bowl. His older brother Aleez (Georgia) has almost identical measurements (6'2-1/4" 248) and he's racked up 13.5 sacks in his first 24 G. BJ will be in someone's rotation as a
James Houston is 6'1" 241, didn't get a Combine invite (HBCU disrespect), didn't come off the practice squad until Thanksgiving. 8 sacks in 6 G. DPR can be a huge role. They're never going to ask him to be Hutch and play every down. That's OK.
