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***2024 Combine/Pre-Draft Rumors*** (1 Viewer)
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Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Always interesting to see oddities in this list. Two guys from Holy Cross invited. 
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Don't think the 40 times are under any threat this year.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Interesting development - likely related to the S2 testing of CJ Stroud last year in which his supposedly poor test results were leaked.
theathletic.com
"Our recent experience with these exams has been less than positive. Specifically, the fact that certain results and performance were leaked publicly last year demonstrates that there truly is no confidentiality with these tests. It is not right for a player’s intelligence, aptitude or mental processing to be subject to public discussion and ridicule — no other job interview carries the same scrutiny."
Sports agency directing NFL Draft prospects to skip cognitive tests
Houston Texans QB C.J. Stroud is not mentioned by name, but this new directive is a clear response to Stroud’s experience last spring.
theathletic.com
"Our recent experience with these exams has been less than positive. Specifically, the fact that certain results and performance were leaked publicly last year demonstrates that there truly is no confidentiality with these tests. It is not right for a player’s intelligence, aptitude or mental processing to be subject to public discussion and ridicule — no other job interview carries the same scrutiny."
bro1ncos
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Interesting development - likely related to the S2 testing of CJ Stroud last year in which his supposedly poor test results were leaked.
Sports agency directing NFL Draft prospects to skip cognitive tests
Houston Texans QB C.J. Stroud is not mentioned by name, but this new directive is a clear response to Stroud’s experience last spring.
"Our recent experience with these exams has been less than positive. Specifically, the fact that certain results and performance were leaked publicly last year demonstrates that there truly is no confidentiality with these tests. It is not right for a player’s intelligence, aptitude or mental processing to be subject to public discussion and ridicule — no other job interview carries the same scrutiny."
I don't blame the players. Seems scores get leaked every year and it seems like it only happens when it tries to hurt a player.
Has there been a positive correlation shown between the test scores and NFL success at any position?
massraider
Footballguy
Won't be any leaks this year, boy.
Every TD Stroud threw was another shovel of dirt on the S2.
PFT just announced that Rosenhaus clients won't be taking the test either
Xavier Legette and Xavier Worthy are both thought to be sub 4.3 guys. That's probably the best chance. Legette is especially interesting as he's built like Deebo Samuel, whereas Worthy looks like a sprinter.
massraider
Footballguy
There are so many WR. So many. And they are so much bigger than last year
rockaction
Footballguy
Can't wait for the underwear Olympics.
I love it and this time of year.
I love it and this time of year.
massraider
Footballguy
Athletes I want to see
Troy Franklin
Brian Thomas
Johnny Wilson
Chop Robinson
Byron Murphy
Kris Jenkins
Troy Franklin
Brian Thomas
Johnny Wilson
Chop Robinson
Byron Murphy
Kris Jenkins
massraider
Footballguy
Per Dane Brugler of TheAthletic.com, Iowa cornerback Cooper DeJean will not test next week after suffering a leg injury during a practice late in the 2023 season. Brugler adds that DeJean plans to work out for teams closer to the draft in late April.
I think he is a CB/S hybrid, and might not be as explosive as the other guys at the Combine, he probably wants to have his best numbers in a controlled environment.
I think he is a CB/S hybrid, and might not be as explosive as the other guys at the Combine, he probably wants to have his best numbers in a controlled environment.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
FRISCO, Texas - Dallas Cowboys coach Mike McCarthy will not be at next week's NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis as he and defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer continue to set the staff and changes to the scheme.
McCarthy said the workload capacity and time efficiency made more sense for them to remain at The Star.
"Zim and I will have a full week together here and cover a lot of ground with things we're working on," McCarthy said. "At the same time, we can still participate in the combine process and have direct contact through video calls and meetings, while having our coaches on the ground there as well."
Really?
McCarthy said the workload capacity and time efficiency made more sense for them to remain at The Star.
"Zim and I will have a full week together here and cover a lot of ground with things we're working on," McCarthy said. "At the same time, we can still participate in the combine process and have direct contact through video calls and meetings, while having our coaches on the ground there as well."
Really?
massraider
Footballguy
If we being all gossipy about it, there's definitely a segment of draft Twitter that behave as if everyone knows Jeremiah was the leak.
Bob McGinn was the guy who broke it, he has all kinds of connections, so who knows.
@JourdanRodrigue
Rams brass will not attend the combine this year, which has been the case post-2020 but moved that direction prior. I wrote about many of the reasons why - and what they value through the pre-draft process - back in 2021. Events are still valuable to them.
I'd be a little surprised if DeJean wasn't among the most explosive DBs in the class. He won the Iowa State long jump and 100 meters in HS. Quinyon Mitchell is probably the only DB (among top-50 mocked guys) I feel is definitely more explosive.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
how long until the combine becomes an event for only 2nd round talent and later?
whether it's teams not attending, or top players skipping certain workouts...
for me the combine really does nothing. i dont care about what kind of a gym rat these guys are... im sure there is SOME validity to all the data collected. but what they do on the field is 98% of it. off the field 1.9% and the gym is .1%
whether it's teams not attending, or top players skipping certain workouts...
for me the combine really does nothing. i dont care about what kind of a gym rat these guys are... im sure there is SOME validity to all the data collected. but what they do on the field is 98% of it. off the field 1.9% and the gym is .1%
massraider
Footballguy
I think it is very useful, when used as a tool properly by NFL teams---and dynasty owners.
From a non-fantasy perspective, the best thing about the combine is that we start getting actual rumors that have basis in fact. Not every rumor is true, but this is when we start getting a clear picture on FA.
I think athleticism matters more than ever, at certain positions. The combine can give an idea of the guys who might be an outlier, physically. There are guys who might have nice tape, but their combine numbers will tell us that they most likely will need to be a wild outlier to make it in the league. There's a range of numbers at each position that mean they are plenty athletic enough, and that's really all that matters.
Once one receiver jumps 36", and another receiver jumps 39", who cares? Both athletic. But if the 5'9 slot guy jumped 32, and ran a 4.66, I think that matters.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
While I agree those are numbers similar to Jarvis Landry put up.
Still depends on the player.
This should be like the program guide for the combine.
theathletic.com
Feldman's Freaks List revisited: Who will show off at the NFL Combine?
Which Freaks List prospects are expected to light it up at the NFL Combine this week?
theathletic.com
Bowers height and McCarthy's weight are two significant measurements I'm waiting to see.
McCarthy's on field workout, if he can address any issues with his arm strength, is probably the on field workout I'm most curious about as more of a real NFL type of thing more then a fantasy type of issue.
Other then that I'm mainly hoping the combine can help me better start to sort out the secondary tier or WR's and overall RB rankings. I do think in particular a few RB's are going to be seen as a lot more valued after the combine, still may not one go in top two rounds of the NFL draft, but a few we'll value higher.
McCarthy's on field workout, if he can address any issues with his arm strength, is probably the on field workout I'm most curious about as more of a real NFL type of thing more then a fantasy type of issue.
Other then that I'm mainly hoping the combine can help me better start to sort out the secondary tier or WR's and overall RB rankings. I do think in particular a few RB's are going to be seen as a lot more valued after the combine, still may not one go in top two rounds of the NFL draft, but a few we'll value higher.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Everything I’ve seen indicates McCarthy has a howitzer. Have you seen differently?
I have heard he has good arm, have heard some questions form some people about arm strength and if he can make all the throws or show that he can.
I can't recall the exact podcast I was listening to the past few weeks but one of them mentioned that the NFL likes to see you throw the go ball from the far hash, recall them saying that was one of Strouds throws he relied on the most but McCarthy only had 3 such attempts all year. He for sure likes to work the middle of the field, one of the things I like about him, and he shows good arm strength to me on those passes but I think he's not got a lot on tape of airing it out. Jeremiah was painting a picture of him as someone who likes to take a profit, just think he might need to show the NFL he can make all the throws and that might have been a better way to say it.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I gotcha. Should clarify- my comment said “everything I’ve seen” but really should have said everything I’ve read, because I haven’t watched him yet other than the National Championship game. So was just curious if there are other schools of thought.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Anyone have positive thoughts on QB Michael Pratt? I've watched this guy in a few games. He seems to always know where to go with the ball. He can run very well. I'm not sure he will shine in the combine with medium arm talent. There's some part of me that says next Brock Purdy. And another part that says won't ever play a meaningful snap in the NFL. I gotta think him and Milton are great mid-late round targets to get into camp and see what they can do against the big boys. Want to see what they bring at the combine.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Wonder if Milton would be a top 5 pick if he were 4 years younger. He has everything Anthony Richardson has, and when I watched the Vols his inaccuracy was just as glaring. Physical specimen.
This afternoon but other then TE all the fantasy relevant positions are going Saturday.
I kind of got on a kick on wanting to find out where I heard the convo of his arm concerns, was starting to bother me. I take my dog on these like hour long walks and that's where I listen to most of my podcasts and I could actually recall like exactly where I was on the walk where I heard a discussion of his arm strength concerns so it was bugging me I could not recall who said it. I finally found it and the source starts to make more sense now. I'm extremely selective on who I listen to or read, like for example I don't like to read or listen to "fantasy" experts unless I just have run out of stuff . Well I ran out of stuff so saw a podcast on Underdog sports with Hayden Winks(fantasy guy) and someone named Brett Kollmann who I think is a fantasy guy and/or internet scout and I don't pay them much mind either. Don't follow any of them, have seen some tweets from Kollman show up in my timeline other people retweeted and he seemed knowledgable enough so I gave it a listen. Both of them were saying McCarthy's arm strength was an issue and really they are why I don't like to listen to fantasy people or random internet scouts though I would at least give Kollmann credit for pointing out, accurately, how McCarthy was not asked to make certain throws with much frequency that the NFL would like to see you make.
Longish story short I could find not credible evidence of what they are saying or the people I do respect and listen to saying the same thing they were saying. I had posted in the McCarthy thread a great film breakdown from Ted Nguyen and watched it again. Went back over last two days and watched two full McCarthy game cut ups, one game I had already seen which was the Ohio St game. My personal non-professional scouting opinion is his arm is fine, NFL quality. I would not call it a strength, did flutter a few passes, but I for sure have not heard or seen anything from what I've watched or read that would indicate the league is concerned about his arm strength. His weight's a big deal, not his arm.
LawFitz
Footballguy
With the modern pervasiveness of GPS tracking of *in-game, in-pads athleticism*, does combine testing even matter at all anymore to anyone other than arm-chair scouts? Seems like more of a showcase, networking and speed (dating) interview affair now than anything else. And the Rams brass, who had perhaps the best draft I have ever seen (without a first round pick, mind you) last year, seem to agree. They have better things to do than partying in Indy this week.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Well the dumb talk has already started ... Chop Robinson and Laiatu Latu's arms are too short.
I thought one lf the new head coaches had an interesting take. He hadn't watched much tape on draft players as he had to quickly focus on Free Agents. He said talking to the combine players before seeing their tape had brought an interesting perspective. I assume he could weed out some players based on the interview, rather than slanting his opinion of their attitude based on their tape.
I thought one lf the new head coaches had an interesting take. He hadn't watched much tape on draft players as he had to quickly focus on Free Agents. He said talking to the combine players before seeing their tape had brought an interesting perspective. I assume he could weed out some players based on the interview, rather than slanting his opinion of their attitude based on their tape.
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It would seem like it would not, right?
Then I see stuff like Jim Nagy tweeting out about how some scouts who really like a player hope he tests poorly so other teams won't like him as much. And sometimes I hear about how fast a team thinks a player will run and it surprises them. All of which makes me think it matters to some extent.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
If he runs a 4.2x teams won’t care if he thinks birds aren’t real
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