***Official*** NFL Draft Thread 2005 (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

Detriot's selection is proof positive of why they'll always suck.  That pick should have been traded.

Why? What if Mike Williams is going to have a stellar career?

Then Rogers or Williams wouldn't have. Besides, Minny, Indy, and KC have tried this all offense approach.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Who do the Cowpokes take?

Aaron Rodgers....so he can steal Bledsoe's job next year.or

Shawne Merriman

I'd put the odds of the Cowboys drafting Aaron Rodgers (without trading him) at about 1%.

 

[BGP]

Who will take Rodgers?

9. Washington -- Seems doubtful. Defensive player or Mike Williams.

10. Detroit -- Don't see how they do that with Harrington and Garcia.

11. Dallas -- Parcells has had his fill of young QBs with question marks.

12. San Diego --- LOL

13. Houston -- Not a chance with Carr.

14. Carolina -- Very doubtful for a win now team.

15. Kansas City -- If they don't draft defense...

16. New Orleans -- Win now team. Don't think Rodgers fits their plans.

17. Cincinnati -- Not a chance with Palmer.

18. Minnesota -- Not a chance with Culpepper.

19. St. Louis -- Martz won't think that far ahead. Win now team.

20. Dallas -- See above re: Parcells

21. Jacksonville -- LOL

22. Baltimore -- They are SB contenders, they can't waste this pick.

23. Seattle -- They'd get eaten alive considering their D problems.

24. Green Bay -- Heir apparent for Favre is trendy, but they need so much D.

25. Washington -- Is it possible he slips this far?

26. Oakland -- I could see Oakland taking him, Collins is no long term answer.

27. Atlanta -- LOL

28. San Diego -- LOL

29. Indianapolis -- LOL

30. Pittsburgh -- LOL

31. Philadelphia -- LOL

32. New England -- LOL

Someone tell me what I'm missing here? I can't see more than one or two teams likely to take Rodgers.

Oh c'mon. Now you are talking like you've never watched an NFL draft before.Someone WILL take him just as a value pick and it won't make a lick of sense on paper. That's how these things always happen.

 

[gem IV]

Detriot's selection is proof positive of why they'll always suck. That pick should have been traded.

At least they could have waited a few more minutes...premature edraftulation.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

With all those options, BMW's fantasy value

Kevin Jones value now that clubs can't stack the box:

Probably not going to see much End Zone love though. Too many big guys that go up and get the ball.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

WTF good is another WR on a team that cant run or stop anyonybody on D?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Saying Minnesota has the edge at QB is like saying Fabian Washington has the edge on Jason Wood in speed.

Career TD passesCulpepper: 129Garcia: 123hmm....has Jason been training at Don Beebe's speed camp lately?

 

[jurb26]

I think it's official that Williamson will be drafted before Mike Williams in most dynasty rookie drafts.

Like I've been saying for weeks now. Williamson = #1 WR in this draft. Too bad I will have no chance at landing him now with my 9 pick in the dynasty league I'm in.

 

[culdeus]

pick is made, not shown on espn. Stayed w/ merriman likely.....

 

[jcab2000]

My question is where does Harrington go now?

 

[Chase Stuart]

As to further kill the Rodgers to GB thoughts (which I realize is trendy but I think is absolutely moronic)...The selections of Williamson and Williams to the NFC North just about guarantees GB takes a D player, like a CB (Fabian Washington perhaps).

 

[Chase Stuart]

Wow. I think I got ripped for drafting Demarcus Ware in the mock draft in the second round.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

If the Pokes take D does that mean the Bolts go after a WR and take Clayton?

 

[culdeus]

pick is made, not shown on espn. Stayed w/ merriman likely.....

or notDemarcus Ware

 

[jurb26]

I thought this was a great write-upat Kirwan's Analysis:

Rogers ranked first on some boards, and if the Redskins said he was their top corner, believe them. At 6-0 and a 3.82 short shuttle, this is an extraordinary athlete who will provide Gregg Williams the opportunity to increase his presuure defense. Here is the kind of athlete needed to line up on T.O. and get physical. It's a big day for the Auburn athletes -- three in the top nine.

Lots of Wash fans seem upset with the pick, but this kid is a player and adds much needed youth to the CB position.

 

[cowboyz]

i was really hoping for a trade, guess no one wants to trade today.

 

[Maelstrom]

Saying Minnesota has the edge at QB is like saying Fabian Washington has the edge on Jason Wood in speed.

Career TD passes

Culpepper: 129

Garcia: 123

hmm....has Jason been training at Don Beebe's speed camp lately?

Has to be - this is just too funny to even give a serious response to - I don't know whether to or

 

[BassNBrew]

Wow, this couldn't be looking better for the Panthers.

 

[diesel7982]

As to further kill the Rodgers to GB thoughts (which I realize is trendy but I think is absolutely moronic)...

The selections of Williamson and Williams to the NFC North just about guarantees GB takes a D player, like a CB (Fabian Washington perhaps).

After the picks of Carroll and Thomas last year?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Ware has flown up the charts lately. Probably the fastest riser out of all players in this draft.I'm surprised they passed on Merriman. Perhaps this means they'll definitely be going 3-4 on D as Ware is pretty light to play straight up DE in a 4-3.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Saying Minnesota has the edge at QB is like saying Fabian Washington has the edge on Jason Wood in speed.

Career TD passes

Culpepper: 129

Garcia: 123

hmm....has Jason been training at Don Beebe's speed camp lately?

Culpepper total yards last year: 5123Garcia's total yards last year: 1900

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

WTF? Am I the only one completely confused by this? Was Ware supposd to go this high?

 

[diesel7982]

Wow, this couldn't be looking better for the Panthers.

What do you think they do BnB? Barron?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

i was really hoping for a trade, guess no one wants to trade today.

I'm still hoping the Giants try to pull something off and deal Gaptooth.

 

[diesel7982]

WTF? Am I the only one completely confused by this? Was Ware supposd to go this high?

Yes. Somewhere between 11-20

 

[jcab2000]

Ware is going to line up as a LB with Dallas right?

 

[Wheelhouse]

Wow, this couldn't be looking better for the Panthers.

What if Barron and Johnson or Merriman are there?

 

[diesel7982]

Ware has flown up the charts lately. Probably the fastest riser out of all players in this draft.

I'm surprised they passed on Merriman. Perhaps this means they'll definitely be going 3-4 on D as Ware is pretty light to play straight up DE in a 4-3.

From the way Jones talked the other day they had all but ruled it out. Ware isnt any smaller than a guy like Freeney. Speedy edge rushers are all the rage nowadays.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

WTF? Am I the only one completely confused by this? Was Ware supposd to go this high?

Yes. Somewhere between 11-20

I guess I just didn't think Dallas would end up taking him... I can see down at 20, but... wow. A sub-250 DE as #11 in the 1st. Crazy.

 

[jurb26]

SD take Clayton now?

 

[diesel7982]

Ware is going to line up as a LB with Dallas right?

Probably will play a little of both. He doesnt really have the coverage skills to be an everydown 4-3 OLB.

 

[jcool]

Demarcus Ware @11. I like it! I would have rather slipped a few more spots, but with S.D and Hou coming up they would take him possibly, so they went with there gut and got a great motor in Ware.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

That's what I asked?Do the Bolts take Clayton?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

DeMarcus Ware, LB, Troy State

Physically, he's a Derrick Johnson clone. Who knows how high Ware would have gone if he played at Texas, but let's break down the two:

Height/Weight

Ware: 6-4, 251

Johnson: 6-3, 242

40 yard/20 yard/10 yard

Ware: 4.56/2.71/1.62

Johnson: 4.52/2.66/1.61

Vertical Jump/Broad Jump

Ware: 38.5 /10'2

Johnson: 37.5/10

Shuttle/Cone

Ware: 4.07/6.85

Johnson: 3.93/7.21

Bench Press/Wonderlic

Ware: 27/20

Johnson: n/a/21

The bottom line, is that they're dead even on the measurables. Ware is a playmaker, something the Jets haven't had at OLB in a long, long time. Ware has excellent speed and quickness, and will be a major pass rusher for the Jets. He had 10.5 sacks and 19 tackles for losses last year, and will be used immediately on third downs.

In retrospect, it's amazing that he goes before Derrick Johnson isn't it? A few months ago I saw Johnson as the NUMBER ONE PICK and Ware not in the first THREE ROUNDS.

 

[diesel7982]

WTF?  Am I the only one completely confused by this?  Was Ware supposd to go this high?

Yes. Somewhere between 11-20

I guess I just didn't think Dallas would end up taking him... I can see down at 20, but... wow. A sub-250 DE as #11 in the 1st. Crazy.

250 lbs with room to grow. Runs a 4.5, jumps 45". Crazy athleticism.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Saying Minnesota has the edge at QB is like saying Fabian Washington has the edge on Jason Wood in speed.

Career TD passesCulpepper: 129Garcia: 123hmm....has Jason been training at Don Beebe's speed camp lately?

Culpepper total yards last year: 5123Garcia's total yards last year: 1900

to carry this charade out even longer.put Garcia in Minny last year and CPepp in Cleveland and project their performance.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Ware has flown up the charts lately. Probably the fastest riser out of all players in this draft.

I'm surprised they passed on Merriman. Perhaps this means they'll definitely be going 3-4 on D as Ware is pretty light to play straight up DE in a 4-3.

From the way Jones talked the other day they had all but ruled it out. Ware isnt any smaller than a guy like Freeney. Speedy edge rushers are all the rage nowadays.

true. I just thought Merriman was a lock to Dallas. Guess it was a smokescreen.

 

[norseman9375]

Maybe the Chargers will take the Lion's approach and draft A. Rodgers.

 

[CaptainHucklebuck]

WTF? Am I the only one completely confused by this? Was Ware supposd to go this high?

Yes. Somewhere between 11-20

I guess I just didn't think Dallas would end up taking him... I can see down at 20, but... wow. A sub-250 DE as #11 in the 1st. Crazy.

250 lbs with room to grow. Runs a 4.5, jumps 45". Crazy athleticism.

Absolutely, and I think he'd make one hell of a LB. Dallas isn't thinking 4 LBs though, right? So... I know he's Freeney size, but everyone knows the Colts can't stop the run... and they're in a division with Westbrook, Portis, etc... I just don't think it's a value pick.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Aaron Rodgers to the Chargers?

 

[Jules Winnfield]

ESPN reporting that a pass rusher would be the Bolts choice here.Merriman?Spears?Pollack?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

?what mock draft are you talking about? your own? or one with a bunch of people?

 

[BassNBrew]

Wow, this couldn't be looking better for the Panthers.

What if Barron and Johnson or Merriman are there?

I have confidence Fox and Hurney will take the right one.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

?what mock draft are you talking about? your own? or one with a bunch of people?

Sorry Aaron. I thought you might remember it since you participated in it after allhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...e=demarcus+ware

 

[radballs.]

I think it's official that Williamson will be drafted before Mike Williams in most dynasty rookie drafts.

Like I've been saying for weeks now. Williamson = #1 WR in this draft. Too bad I will have no chance at landing him now with my 9 pick in the dynasty league I'm in.

Trade up. I traded from the 1.09 to the 1.05 for my 2nd and 3rd round picks. I hope it ends up being worth it.

 

[9985]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

?what mock draft are you talking about? your own? or one with a bunch of people?

Sorry Aaron. I thought you might remember it since you participated in it after allhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...e=demarcus+ware

 

[Big Log]

"You're going to have a whole lot of company in Det with Carlos Rogers and...."SUZIEEEEEE

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

?what mock draft are you talking about? your own? or one with a bunch of people?

Sorry Aaron. I thought you might remember it since you participated in it after allhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...e=demarcus+ware

I participated in like 3 or 4 of them...but, you kept calling it THE mock draft, so I figured I missed the memo on which was the important one.

 

[BassNBrew]

Rogers..."Building character as we speak."

 

[Chase Stuart]

Here's what I wrote about DeMarcus Ware when I took him at 2.07 in the mock draft:

?what mock draft are you talking about? your own? or one with a bunch of people?

Sorry Aaron. I thought you might remember it since you participated in it after allhttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...e=demarcus+ware

I'm not a college football fan, but I got a few rips for comparing Ware to Johnson. Shouldn't this be a big deal that Johnson hasn't been taken yet???