***Official NY Mets 2009 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[dparker713]

at thid point, lets just hope for a disaster enough to make ownership really look at things. Ive been done with Omar for two years now and been very vocal about it. He didnt cause the injuries, but he didnt set up up to suceed either, or sustain.We also need to get rid of Bernazard unless what I continally hear about him is false.

Im waiting for Omar to come out with a quote akin to Dayton Moore's. Only more along the lines of having no idea people have tried to use math to evaluate performance.

 

[RBM]

We dont want Halladay

 

[=Smackdown=]

We dont want Halladay

AgreedWould he waive his no trade clause to come to the Mets who have no shot this year? Doubt it.Burn down the rest of the farm system for a year and a half rental? No thanksI get the feeling Omar & Jerry are staying put after the season. Omar's 3 year extension kicks in next year and Jerry is signed through 2010.The injuries this year are too much to overcome. For now they need to take their lumps and gear up for next year.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

We dont want Halladay

Even if they did, they wouldn't have the chips to get him. Unless they agreed to take on Wells' contract too.

 

[RBM]

This is what I was referring to

In case you missed it, last night, Jon Heyman of SI.com said Mets GM Omar Minaya rejected a deal from Blue Jays GM JP Riccardi for RHP Roy Halladay, in return for OF Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and 17–year-old SS Ruben Tejada.However, today, in a post to Twitter, ESPN’s Keith Law says the trade rumor is ‘bogus,’ having been ‘shot down by multiple sources.’Similarly, I talked with a baseball person in Philadelphia, an agent, and two people connected to the Mets, and all four believe Minaya would have accepted such a deal had it been actually presented to him, i.e., maybe the Jays and Mets talked, but no hard offer was made.I mean, I know I would have done it; and, according to a recent poll, 75 percent of people who read MetsBlog.com would have done the deal as well.What’s more, in the Daily News, Adam Rubin writes, “Ricciardi ought to be fired on the spot for proposing it. And Minaya ought to be fired for rejecting it.”Yet, the report is out there…The thing is, I believe Heyman is great at what he does, he’s not senationalistic, and he’s trusted and respected all across the sport.So, I’m left confused, wondering what this all means…I wonder if Riccardi leaked this to spook the Phillies, who some baseball insiders feel are the only legitimate suitor for Halladay?I mean, how better to milk the Phillies for top prospects than for Riccardi to make it seem like the Mets could get Halladay at any moment?On the other hand, if Halladay-to-Philadelphia is inevitable, how better for Minaya and Riccardi to get the Phillies to overpay then to make it seem like the Mets could easily be involved?Or, maybe the Mets are trying to raise the value of their own prospects by suggesting Niese, Parnell and Martinez are worth more than Halladay? Or, perhaps Minaya did reject it, just like Heyman said, and, instead, is still working with Riccardi on something more expansive, which could be why he would not confirm or deny the report when asked about it yesterday?Who knows? The point is, nothing is ever as simple as it seems…In any case, we’ll find out at some point in the next 10 days, at which point it will be a lot more easier to judge this.

 

[RBM]

We dont want Halladay

AgreedWould he waive his no trade clause to come to the Mets who have no shot this year? Doubt it.Burn down the rest of the farm system for a year and a half rental? No thanks

I was being sarcastic. I would take Halladay for those 4 chumps in a heartbeat

 

[RBM]

And the catcher for the Buehrle perfect game..........................

RAMON CASTRO!!!

 

[comfortably numb]

I can't believe how much air time this Bernazard thing is getting.

It's amazing what losing does.

If the Mets were 4 games in front of the Phils and sitting at the top, we would all be laughing about this.

 

[Koya]

I can't believe how much air time this Bernazard thing is getting.It's amazing what losing does.If the Mets were 4 games in front of the Phils and sitting at the top, we would all be laughing about this.

But there is a REASON we are not 4 games and many games back. And the culture of this organization is a big reason why. Its beginning to remind me of the Knicks - now, thankfully the ineptness to date has not stretched outside of baseball (i.e. utter disrespect for women etc), but there is a lack of real accountability, no real boss, no direction and not an organization worthy of respect right now.It's pathetic and I don't know who to point to other than the ownership right now. They should be embarassed, as many of us Mets fans certainly are.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Full disclosure, I am a lifelong Yankee fan, which will immediately render my opinion worthless in some eyes

That said, I am a HUGE baseball fan, and looking at this Mets situation objectively, firing Bernazard was the only thing they could do at this point

This season is a very difficult one for Mets fans...The injuries have been monumental...Reyes, Delgado, Beltran...How good would the Yankees be without Jeter, Teixeira and Damon, for example? Not very.

That said, I hope that the injuries don't insulate Minaya and/or Manuel from getting fired

Because on the front office end I don't think I can point to one trade or FA signing that demonstrated a significant level of talent on Minaya's part...Most of his "big moves" have been signing guys to contracts above the generally accepted market value (Pedro, Beltran, K-Rod, etc),,,not to mention that he was GM for one of the most lopsided trades in recent baseball history when he traded Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips fpor half a season of Bartolo Colon

On the managerial side, even with his handcuffed lineup, I don't see Manuel inspiring the players he does have to excellence

I think the Mets need to clean house and start from a strong base of Wright/Reyes/Beltran/Santana in 2010

Champions have been built on far less

 

[eagles2007]

how much longer does oliver perez get in the majors? and i mean with any team?

 

[dparker713]

Because on the front office end I don't think I can point to one trade or FA signing that demonstrated a significant level of talent on Minaya's part...Most of his "big moves" have been signing guys to contracts above the generally accepted market value (Pedro, Beltran, K-Rod, etc),,,not to mention that he was GM for one of the most lopsided trades in recent baseball history when he traded Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee and Brandon Phillips fpor half a season of Bartolo Colon

He's been at the helm for two lopsided trades. He also orchestrated the Santana trade for a tub of goo. Not quite the same since there were so few real suitors, but it does offset that deal somewhat. But yeah, on balance Omar is a horrible GM that has squandered the immense resources he's been given.

 

[jobarules]

Omar has been a horrendous GM but the Johan trade was a phenomenal get. Only good trade hes ever made.

 

[dparker713]

Its like Franceour actively fights against walking. And seriously, can someone please tell Jerry to stop bunting in the first inning?

 

[dparker713]

Ok, shut Wright and Santana down. There can be nothing good about continuing to let them play.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

This is getting ####### comical. How the blue #### does one team get so many injuries?

 

[dparker713]

Watching KRod is just not an enjoyable experience in any way.

 

[RBM]

Feel bad for Wright. He was having a down year but he is surrounded by such crap. Then that pitch probably ends his season on Saturday.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Feel bad for Wright. He was having a down year but he is surrounded by such crap. Then that pitch probably ends his season on Saturday.

What did you think about Manuel yanking Santana after he grazed Kung Fu Panda?

 

[RBM]

Feel bad for Wright. He was having a down year but he is surrounded by such crap. Then that pitch probably ends his season on Saturday.

What did you think about Manuel yanking Santana after he grazed Kung Fu Panda?

He was starting to unravel anyway. I liked seeing him get feisty out there though.

 

[Koya]

I was at the game saturday - boy, it is depressing when you go down a run and feel like the game is over. What a lost year.

That said, at least we showed a little fight by tying it up.

I have now been to Citifield three times and must say, I like it more every visit. They still need more mets stuff (and why there is nary a pic of a Met at the ceasers club i dont know) and should sprinkle the 'special' food vendors throughout the stadium, not just in left field or the special clubs but truly a great great ballpark with a ton of public space and meeting places, quirk and authenticity without kitsch and gimmicks and while there are some things for people to do (the restaurant, clubs, I love the outdoor bars on the ceasers level, plus the wiffle park for kids), its still a place to watch baseball and unlike shea, to also enjoy a few hours.

Now, if only they had ANYthing surrounding the park to do. :-/

 

[dparker713]

I was at the game saturday - boy, it is depressing when you go down a run and feel like the game is over. What a lost year.That said, at least we showed a little fight by tying it up. I have now been to Citifield three times and must say, I like it more every visit. They still need more mets stuff (and why there is nary a pic of a Met at the ceasers club i dont know) and should sprinkle the 'special' food vendors throughout the stadium, not just in left field or the special clubs but truly a great great ballpark with a ton of public space and meeting places, quirk and authenticity without kitsch and gimmicks and while there are some things for people to do (the restaurant, clubs, I love the outdoor bars on the ceasers level, plus the wiffle park for kids), its still a place to watch baseball and unlike shea, to also enjoy a few hours.Now, if only they had ANYthing surrounding the park to do. :-/

Agree on the stadium, nice place to catch a game, especially at half face. Can the team be anymore embarassing this year?

 

[RBM]

And thank God this season is over. Between what happened to the Mets, plus the Yanks-Phils series, I can honestly say this may have been the worst baseball season of my life.

 

[INRIhab]

http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-do...about-castillo/

Really? The Dodgers want Slappy more than Hudson? I would've liked to see Hudson at 2B, but now I'm skeptical...

 

[dparker713]

http://www.metsblog.com/2009/11/12/buzz-do...about-castillo/

Really? The Dodgers want Slappy more than Hudson? I would've liked to see Hudson at 2B, but now I'm skeptical...

Seriously, anyone that even suggests that the Mets should take on Pierre's contract should be fired. On the spot. Tossed in the gutter. Spit on. Kicked in the nads.

 

[RBM]

My dream offseason would be 3 big moves.

Lackey

Bay

Wolf

And if we could upgrade behind the plate (which would be just about anybody besides what we have) that would be a perfect winter

 

[dparker713]

My dream offseason would be 3 big moves.LackeyBayWolfAnd if we could upgrade behind the plate (which would be just about anybody besides what we have) that would be a perfect winter

Bay is a horrible idea. First off, probably everyone you listed would cost draft picks. Second, Bay needs to be a DH, his defense is that bad. It would be even worse in the cavernous Citifield. And the perfect winter would be the firing of Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya after a sale of the Mets to an ownership not as dumb as the Wilpons. Anything else is gravy.

 

[RBM]

My dream offseason would be 3 big moves.LackeyBayWolfAnd if we could upgrade behind the plate (which would be just about anybody besides what we have) that would be a perfect winter

Bay is a horrible idea. First off, probably everyone you listed would cost draft picks. Second, Bay needs to be a DH, his defense is that bad. It would be even worse in the cavernous Citifield. And the perfect winter would be the firing of Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya after a sale of the Mets to an ownership not as dumb as the Wilpons. Anything else is gravy.

Bay is a ballplayer, I prefer him to Holliday and he will be cheaper.Agree about Minaya, Manuel and especially the Wilpons

 

[Balco]

My dream offseason would be 3 big moves.LackeyBayWolfAnd if we could upgrade behind the plate (which would be just about anybody besides what we have) that would be a perfect winter

Bay is a horrible idea. First off, probably everyone you listed would cost draft picks. Second, Bay needs to be a DH, his defense is that bad. It would be even worse in the cavernous Citifield. And the perfect winter would be the firing of Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya after a sale of the Mets to an ownership not as dumb as the Wilpons. Anything else is gravy.

Bay is a ballplayer, I prefer him to Holliday and he will be cheaper.Agree about Minaya, Manuel and especially the Wilpons

I don't think Bay will be significantly cheaper. Length of contract might be shorter, but yearly pay won't be that much less.THe Mets need health more than any other thing, and then they need to concentrate on pitching. Snaring Lackey and Wolf would really solidify that rotation.

 

[Eephus]

Early Thursday morning, The New York Daily News cited the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional, which reported on Sunday that catcher Henry Blanco had left his winter league team to undergo a physical for the Mets. If a deal is reached, Blanco, 38, would likely be the primary backup catcher, ahead of Omir Santos, Chris Coste and Josh Thole. The Mets intend to acquire a No. 1 catcher through a trade or free agency. Bengie Molina's name has been linked to New York, and the likelihood of him coming to the Mets increased when the Giants decided not to offer arbitration to the veteran, meaning the Mets wouldn't have to give up a second-round Draft pick as compensation if they sign him. Blanco appeared in 67 games for the Padres last season, batting .235 with six homers and 16 RBIs while missing 20 games with a left hamstring injury. Known for his defense, he is a career .228 hitter in 12 seasons with seven teams.

 

[dparker713]

Early Thursday morning, The New York Daily News cited the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional, which reported on Sunday that catcher Henry Blanco had left his winter league team to undergo a physical for the Mets. If a deal is reached, Blanco, 38, would likely be the primary backup catcher, ahead of Omir Santos, Chris Coste and Josh Thole. The Mets intend to acquire a No. 1 catcher through a trade or free agency. Bengie Molina's name has been linked to New York, and the likelihood of him coming to the Mets increased when the Giants decided not to offer arbitration to the veteran, meaning the Mets wouldn't have to give up a second-round Draft pick as compensation if they sign him. Blanco appeared in 67 games for the Padres last season, batting .235 with six homers and 16 RBIs while missing 20 games with a left hamstring injury. Known for his defense, he is a career .228 hitter in 12 seasons with seven teams.

Everything about that story makes me cringe.

 

[RBM]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND BayDecember 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 commentsby Matthew CerroneAccording to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Didn't Bay already turn down 4/60 from Boston. I mean if you're gonna put out that kind of green, you might as well kick in another 2 or 3 per year and go after Holliday.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

 

[Koya]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Why WTF? I prefer him to Holliday as well. Holliday has not shown me he is not by and large a product of CO. What great things did he do this past year? I think Bay is a very solid and clutch player.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Why WTF? I prefer him to Holliday as well. Holliday has not shown me he is not by and large a product of CO. What great things did he do this past year? I think Bay is a very solid and clutch player.

I think Holliday has more then proven he can hit away from Coors. I was a non-believer too, but what he did once he got to St. Louis was incredible.

 

[Koya]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Why WTF? I prefer him to Holliday as well. Holliday has not shown me he is not by and large a product of CO. What great things did he do this past year? I think Bay is a very solid and clutch player.

I think Holliday has more then proven he can hit away from Coors. I was a non-believer too, but what he did once he got to St. Louis was incredible.

Just looked at his splits from last year - I stand corrected.

 

[RBM]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Bay is a pro hitter man. And I like how he handled the pressure of replacing Manny in Boston. Its not strange to prefer him to Holliday.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Bay is a pro hitter man. And I like how he handled the pressure of replacing Manny in Boston. Its not strange to prefer him to Holliday.

You'd trust him in the OF? I don't......

 

[dparker713]

Mets are awake

Buzz: Mets to Make offers to Molina AND Bay

December 10, 2009 at 13:08 pm · 36 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, the Mets will make a contract offer to free-agent C Benjie Molina, as well as a major offer to free-agent OF Jason Bay, who they prefer to Matt Holliday.

“In fact, I know these deals are going out today,” he said.

Francesa says, from what he understands, if the Mets are able to sign Bay and Molina, they will still have the money and players to try to acquire RHP Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays.

However, Francesa says the price tag for Halladay has been ‘astronimical,’ and is holding up the market for free-agent RHP John Lackey.

WTF?

Bay is a pro hitter man. And I like how he handled the pressure of replacing Manny in Boston. Its not strange to prefer him to Holliday.

And Bay gives away nearly all of the value of his bat with his attrocious glove. It'll be even worse in Citi. The Mets have a huge outfield and a boatload invested in Santana and Perez who are both flyball pitchers. They need to get a good glove in LF, or better yet, get a CF incase Beltran isnt the same player. Hell, give Pagan a shot, but Bay?!? Molina?!? At this point, Im fairly sure all Mets fans should welcome the day Minaya is gone and can only pray the Wilpons are forced to sell.

 

[RBM]

Lackey to Boston

Halladay to Philly

Oh well, we'll get em next offseason