***Official NY METS 2014 Thread*** (1 Viewer)

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3 more

bring him back out

 

[RBM]

DO NOT TAKE THAT BALL AWAY FROM HIM IN THE NINTH

 

[Deranged Hermit]

This could be a big turning point in the series. A 2-0 shutout could give them some much needed confidence.

 

[RBM]

Jeez how many steals for Cain? Seems like a lot.

 

[MCguidance]

Let us have one ####### moment.

 

[comfortably numb]

Jeez how many steals for Cain? Seems like a lot.

Taco Muthafer bell

 

[Zow]

Ouch.

 

[RBM]

Good throw and he's out by a lot. Wow.

 

[comfortably numb]

Good throw and he's out by a lot. Wow.

yep...when I saw him break I said he's done. Game ohhhh sh...

 

[RBM]

Can Buck stop sucking Hosmers ####....he would've been out by a mile with a good throw.

 

[MCguidance]

No balls in that booth to call it a horrible baserunning play that got lucky. Easy ####### double play and we get to KC.

Blowing three leads 8th inning or later is inexcusable.

 

[Zow]

Can Buck stop sucking Hosmers ####....he would've been out by a mile with a good throw.

Yeah it's not a bad play by hosmer there, but it's not like it was an amazing piece of base running. That should be an error on Duda.

 

[Fariq]

It was horrid baserunning but the Royals got lucky.

One could argue, though, that up 3 games to 1 is was worth a shot to hope for an errant throw or dropped ball by catcher.

 

[Zow]

No balls in that booth to call it a horrible baserunning play that got lucky. Easy ####### double play and we get to KC.

Blowing three leads 8th inning or later is inexcusable.

In that situation it wasn't horrible. His odds of scoring are probably about the same as Gordon's odds of getting a hit.

 

[Zow]

It was horrid baserunning but the Royals got lucky.

One could argue, though, that up 3 games to 1 is

was worth a shot to hope for an errant throw or dropped ball by catcher.

It's only horrible if the odds of scoring are significantly less than the next guy getting a hit. I don't think it was. Regardless, Duda has to make that throw.

 

[MCguidance]

The only way he scores is an error. Duda is the next tier below a gold glover. His bad baserunning was rewarded with luck.

 

[Zow]

The only way he scores is an error. Duda is the next tier below a gold glover. His bad baserunning was rewarded with luck.

He was lucky, but it wasn't bad base running. It was a simple calculate risk.

 

[MCguidance]

The only way he scores is an error. Duda is the next tier below a gold glover. His bad baserunning was rewarded with luck.

He was lucky, but it wasn't bad base running. It was a simple calculate risk.

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[RBM]

Man D'Arnaud isn't even close to throwing a guy out.

 

[comfortably numb]

lol...duda was like...i aint throwin #### anymore

 

[RBM]

Joe Buck is pretty excited.

 

[jamny]

####

 

[comfortably numb]

man, he stopped taking his steroids before the world series and his whole game goes to ####

 

[RBM]

That's a damn good Royals team. On the bright side as good as they are we were in every game except one.

 

[RBM]

Guess I'll watch the rest in bed.

Great season fellas. We definitely have a lot to look forward to.

 

[MCguidance]

Great season ending with a wet fart. So hard to get to a WS, only can hope they are in the mix the next few years.

 

[comfortably numb]

Yep, I know it hurts like hell but nothing to be ashamed off.

This is one of the better teams we have seen in some time.

The arms got some needed experience and we'll see what decisions are made in the offseaon in regards to the offense side

 

[dparker713]

I couldn't just ignore the series, and if they'd won I'm not sure I'd have felt any joy. But I'm certainly feeling the pain now.

 

[Fariq]

### rape World Series

 

[Zow]

That's a damn good Royals team. On the bright side as good as they are we were in every game except one.

We led in all of them.

 

[MCguidance]

Crazy to think the ONLY infielder not to contribute to a loss in the late innings was Flores. Wright, Murphy, and Duda all made crucial errors at the worst possible times. Flores held his own defensively.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Was a fun unexpected run Mets fans. Never in a million years did I think our young SP's would take us this far.

 

[comfortably numb]

So bummed man

I really thought Harvey was giving us one of the greatest Mets moment in our history.

CG shutout sending the series back to KC etc...

I'm laying the biggest blame on the bats.

They died and it looked like we were in May/June when it was a chore to get a run in.

Post season record when scoring 4+ runs?

6-1

Post season record when scoring 0-3?

2-5

 

[RBM]

So bummed man

I really thought Harvey was giving us one of the greatest Mets moment in our history.

CG shutout sending the series back to KC etc...

I'm laying the biggest blame on the bats.

They died and it looked like we were in May/June when it was a chore to get a run in.

Post season record when scoring 4+ runs?

6-1

Post season record when scoring 0-3?

2-5

Throw the defense in there with the bats. Can't be making bad errors late in games and they stole bases at will all series.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

 

[humpback]

The list has to start with offense IMO- they clearly weren't good enough, and they're likely to lose their #3 and #4 hitters this off season. After watching KC run wild, it would be nice to get a guy at the top of the line-up who could do that for the Mets, moving Grandy down into more of a run producing spot. Being able to manufacture runs when the bats get cold is huge.

 

[comfortably numb]

Will be interesting what happens

I think Ces walks without an offer

Have no idea what the hell happens with Murph

He made 8M last year but I am not sure what it would take to keep him but man I don't want to commit a big contract considering the guys coming up will be looking for deals.

d'Arnaud is pre-arbitration eligible this year.

Not 100% sure what that means $wise?

Same with Duda and Flores and a few other guys are hitting arbitration mainly Harvey/Familia

Cuddeyer and his 12.5M next year is going to feel like an anchor

The above is what I have a hard time seeing committing any serious money to Murphey and Ces made it very easy to not consider throwing out 175M+ type of deal out there

 

[RnR]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

The life of a relief pitcher is interesting. Reed and Clippard would've been considered by most as a "significant investment" in the bullpen not too long ago. Things change quickly.

 

[dparker713]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

The life of a relief pitcher is interesting. Reed and Clippard would've been considered by most as a "significant investment" in the bullpen not too long ago. Things change quickly.

Generally, the best way to fill a bullpen is with young arms, not veterans.

 

[dparker713]

Will be interesting what happens

I think Ces walks without an offer

Have no idea what the hell happens with Murph

He made 8M last year but I am not sure what it would take to keep him but man I don't want to commit a big contract considering the guys coming up will be looking for deals.

d'Arnaud is pre-arbitration eligible this year.

Not 100% sure what that means $wise?

Same with Duda and Flores and a few other guys are hitting arbitration mainly Harvey/Familia

Cuddeyer and his 12.5M next year is going to feel like an anchor

The above is what I have a hard time seeing committing any serious money to Murphey and Ces made it very easy to not consider throwing out 175M+ type of deal out there

Pre-arb guys make pretty much whatever the team wants to pay them. For most teams its the league minimum plus some small adjustment for service time. However, a team can pay a player more - like the Angels paid Trout 1M for his second year which was basically double what they had to.

For arbitration, the scale is supposed to be that a player will receive a percentage of what the arbiter believes he would make on the open market. For Super 2 guys, thats 20%. Arb 1 40%, Arb 2 60%, and Arb 3 80%.

Harvey, Familia and Mejia will be Arb 1 next year. Duda and Tejada are Arb 2

d'Arnaud and Wheeler are Arb eligible in 2017

Mets currently only have 3 players signed past next year - Granderson thru 2017, Lagares thru 2019 and Wright thru 2020.

The Mets have 60M committed to 5 players next season, with 500k being the minimum, that gives them 30M or so to work with if they maintain payroll. But that 60M doesn't include the arbitration guys.

 

[njherdfan]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

1. Agree. I think one of the takeaways from the Royals this year is that teams will start valuing having 6th and 7th inning guys who can strike people out. Robles could potentially be that person, but they need other good middle reliever. Stupid Mejia could have been that guy.

2. No catcher could have thrown out the Royals base-stealers. The way the game is moving, teams will prefer pitch-framing to good arms, and d'Arnaud is one of the best framers in baseball. It doesn't seem like Thor or Harvey will ever be able to hold runners on well, but that's fine. The Mets don't have much speed, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just start watering the basepaths more next year (seriously).

3. I think Herrera's glove will more than offset the loss of Murph's bat. For as good as Murph was in the playoffs, he's been one of the most consistent hitters in baseball the last three years. We know exactly what he is: a good hitter who really shouldn't be playing 2nd. I wouldn't mind if he signed the qualifying offer, because I don't expect more than 90 games from Wright next year, but we'll see what happens.

4. I'd be shocked if they keep Cespedes. As we saw, once teams got a book on him, he just gets himself out way too much. Sandy doesn't like people who don't walk. It's easy to overlook that when you're playing like Babe Ruth, but I doubt we see him next year.

I think the team's main need is someone who can play center and hit, because Conforto and Grandy will be starting in the corners. Dexter Fowler and Denard Span come to mind, but signing a 30 year old and expecting him to play center is a risky move.

 

[jamny]

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[SIZE=15pt]New York City: This is not the end, but the beginning of something special. [/SIZE]

 

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He is right.

The Braves went on to win like 56 NL east crowns due in part on their great starting pitching.

Not saying the Mets will win a few NL east titles in the next few years but the starting pitching alone will keep them in a lot of games.

Mattingly to the Marlins and Baker to the Nationals

I think those are 2 improvements to what was a bad division

 

[Fariq]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

1. Agree. I think one of the takeaways from the Royals this year is that teams will start valuing having 6th and 7th inning guys who can strike people out. Robles could potentially be that person, but they need other good middle reliever. Stupid Mejia could have been that guy.2. No catcher could have thrown out the Royals base-stealers. The way the game is moving, teams will prefer pitch-framing to good arms, and d'Arnaud is one of the best framers in baseball. It doesn't seem like Thor or Harvey will ever be able to hold runners on well, but that's fine. The Mets don't have much speed, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just start watering the basepaths more next year (seriously).

3. I think Herrera's glove will more than offset the loss of Murph's bat. For as good as Murph was in the playoffs, he's been one of the most consistent hitters in baseball the last three years. We know exactly what he is: a good hitter who really shouldn't be playing 2nd. I wouldn't mind if he signed the qualifying offer, because I don't expect more than 90 games from Wright next year, but we'll see what happens.

4. I'd be shocked if they keep Cespedes. As we saw, once teams got a book on him, he just gets himself out way too much. Sandy doesn't like people who don't walk. It's easy to overlook that when you're playing like Babe Ruth, but I doubt we see him next year.

I think the team's main need is someone who can play center and hit, because Conforto and Grandy will be starting in the corners. Dexter Fowler and Denard Span come to mind, but signing a 30 year old and expecting him to play center is a risky move.

Re: 2I think Plawecki is even better at pitch framing. Some nerd site must have the stats.

I think it would be a waste for Plawecki to be a 40-game guy but I don't think Plawecki or d'Arnaud have played enough at any other position. I hope d'Arnaud can learn to play another position. Otherwise, it would make sense to trade one. You can always sign some Humberto Quintero or Anthony Recker or Charlie O'Brien type to be the backup catcher.

 

[njherdfan]

Off season Mets wishlist . . .

1. Middle Relief - never want to see Reed and/or Clippard again. They must invest in the bullpen

2. Lot of stealing being blamed on d'Arnaud. The jumps the Royal baserunners were getting on our young SP's were ridiculous. d'Arnaud had no shot at throwing them out. Does Plaweki have a better arm?

3. They'll miss Murphy's bat but you have to have a solid defender at 2B - especially if Flores is going to stay at SS. The ball ALWAYS find Murphy late in the game in a crucial spot.

4. Cespedes was brutal in the WS - gave us nothing. Not sure how much injuries has to do with it? Undecided if they should or can afford to keep him.

1. Agree. I think one of the takeaways from the Royals this year is that teams will start valuing having 6th and 7th inning guys who can strike people out. Robles could potentially be that person, but they need other good middle reliever. Stupid Mejia could have been that guy.2. No catcher could have thrown out the Royals base-stealers. The way the game is moving, teams will prefer pitch-framing to good arms, and d'Arnaud is one of the best framers in baseball. It doesn't seem like Thor or Harvey will ever be able to hold runners on well, but that's fine. The Mets don't have much speed, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just start watering the basepaths more next year (seriously).

3. I think Herrera's glove will more than offset the loss of Murph's bat. For as good as Murph was in the playoffs, he's been one of the most consistent hitters in baseball the last three years. We know exactly what he is: a good hitter who really shouldn't be playing 2nd. I wouldn't mind if he signed the qualifying offer, because I don't expect more than 90 games from Wright next year, but we'll see what happens.

4. I'd be shocked if they keep Cespedes. As we saw, once teams got a book on him, he just gets himself out way too much. Sandy doesn't like people who don't walk. It's easy to overlook that when you're playing like Babe Ruth, but I doubt we see him next year.

I think the team's main need is someone who can play center and hit, because Conforto and Grandy will be starting in the corners. Dexter Fowler and Denard Span come to mind, but signing a 30 year old and expecting him to play center is a risky move.

Re: 2I think Plawecki is even better at pitch framing. Some nerd site must have the stats.

I think it would be a waste for Plawecki to be a 40-game guy but I don't think Plawecki or d'Arnaud have played enough at any other position. I hope d'Arnaud can learn to play another position. Otherwise, it would make sense to trade one. You can always sign some Humberto Quintero or Anthony Recker or Charlie O'Brien type to be the backup catcher.

Yeah, different sites have differing stats, but BP has d'Arnaud and Plawecki 10th and 11th in extra strikes added, and that's in less than a full season (obviously) for each of them.

 

[comfortably numb]

We spending any loot this off season?

 

[comfortably numb]

I don't think I want any big time money guys that are out there.

Ces I'm hearing SF. Curious what he gets

 

[Chemical X]

met owners need a gofundme page.

 

[comfortably numb]

Zobrist to cubbies and looks like Castro will be dealt to the Yankees

 

[Koya]

Not sure how I feel on Zobrist, but his price tag was lower than the latest hype. Wonder if we were there salary wise but Zobrist preferred his old manager and all.