***Official NY METS 2014 Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[RBM]

Cespedes wants the opt out after year 1 from us. I think he stays if we agree. If not he's going to DC for 5.

I know he sucked in October but you need a bat like that to get there. Bats get you there but pitching wins once you're there. Do we really want to deal with another April thru July with awesome pitching and no offense? Hope they get this done.

 

[Koya]

Cespedes is a five tool player ok, 4 maybe. Imperfect. But part of his problem is that he can be SO good, and when he is on top of his game, you see flashes of legit greatness. So when the brain fart or lack of good play hits, when his streak goes south for a bit, you feel all the more frustrated.

I can deal with being frustrated cause a guy is really good to great overall, has flaws, but also periods of totally carrying a team. In a long season, with our pitching leading the way, that goes a long ways. And he fills SUCH a gaping need in the lineup, hitting well or not, his presence makes that lineup set into place for a potent attack. Without him, everyone has to play up a spot and that's asking a lot with some young guys and the need to stay healthy.

 

[Fariq]

Resigning Yoenis Cespedes was a good move.

 

[RBM]

3 years, 75 mil. Opt out option after this year.

Good move. Was absolutely necessary.

 

[=Smackdown=]

3 years, 75 mil. Opt out option after this year.

Good move. Was absolutely necessary.

Huge

 

[comfortably numb]

3 years, 75 mil. Opt out option after this year.

Good move. Was absolutely necessary.

Huge

Loved it!

 

[comfortably numb]

I assume player opt out?

If so this is basically a 1 year deal?

If he has a solid year I don't see how he doesn't opt out to try to get his 150M+ contract.

 

[Da Gildz]

I assume player opt out?

If so this is basically a 1 year deal?

If he has a solid year I don't see how he doesn't opt out to try to get his 150M+ contract.

Yes he's likely gone with a monster year. Who cares tho. They're going all in for this year at the very least. The 1 year opt out was genius. Well played Sandy

LGM in 16!!

 

[humpback]

He gets $27.5 mil next year, so unless he's bad/injured he's definitely opting out. Had to sign him though.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Granderson

Walker

Wright

Cespedes

Duda

d'Arnaud

Conforto

Cabrera

DeGrom, Harvey, Syndergaard, Matz, Colon (Wheeler)

Bench; De Aza, Wilmer, Lagares, Plawecki, Tejada

Pen: Familia, Reed, Bastardo, Blevins, Robles, Goeddel, Gilmartin.

Mejia On standby, and Colon eventually added to pen when Wheeler returns

Prospects left intact.

Might actually buy a ticket plan this weekend.

 

[Da Gildz]

He gets $27.5 mil next year, so unless he's bad/injured he's definitely opting out. Had to sign him though.

Who knows. He clearly loves it here. Teams weren't willing to give him a huge deal this year, not so sure they'll be lining up to do so with him being a year older. His age is also a question mark let's be real. The FA class is weak which will help.

If he really loves it here, maybe mets get creative again. Add another year + player option. Granderson will be gone after 17 also. Seems like a nice fit for Cespedes to move over to right

 

[Koya]

WOOT WOOOOOOT.

For those who've hung out here, you may remember that I've been a big Cespedes fan since before he was with the Mets. Huge fan of his signing last year, understanding the risks of him walking.

He CLEARLY likes New York and loves playing for the Mets. With his psyche, I think that's hugely important. This is a big stage, I expect him to continue to be motivated while having fun as well. With Cuba opening up, all the more reason to be center stage.

 

[Koya]

SO damn pumped. Opened up the wallet and kept financial flexibility as our young arms demand larger paychecks.

For now, we have a hugely legit world series contender on our hands.

Again.

:Mets:

 

[humpback]

He gets $27.5 mil next year, so unless he's bad/injured he's definitely opting out. Had to sign him though.

Who knows. He clearly loves it here. Teams weren't willing to give him a huge deal this year, not so sure they'll be lining up to do so with him being a year older. His age is also a question mark let's be real. The FA class is weak which will help.If he really loves it here, maybe mets get creative again. Add another year + player option. Granderson will be gone after 17 also. Seems like a nice fit for Cespedes to move over to right

I think he likes it in NY, but I wouldn't say that it's clear that he loves it- they offered him the most money to play next year, and gave him the option to cash in if he has a big year or still collect a lot of money in the next 3 if he doesn't.

Like I said, it's a good signing and they had to do it, but it's effectively a 1 yr. deal unless he flops. He isn't playing 2017 for less money than 2016 if things go according to plan.

 

[comfortably numb]

Our luck he throws out his back shoveling snow this weekend

 

[Koya]

Our luck he throws out his back shoveling snow this weekend

Don't we put an Ojeda clause in contracts nowadays?

 

[Da Gildz]

He gets $27.5 mil next year, so unless he's bad/injured he's definitely opting out. Had to sign him though.

Who knows. He clearly loves it here. Teams weren't willing to give him a huge deal this year, not so sure they'll be lining up to do so with him being a year older. His age is also a question mark let's be real. The FA class is weak which will help.If he really loves it here, maybe mets get creative again. Add another year + player option. Granderson will be gone after 17 also. Seems like a nice fit for Cespedes to move over to right

Like I said, it's a good signing and they had to do it, but it's effectively a 1 yr. deal unless he flops. He isn't playing 2017 for less money than 2016 if things go according to plan.

Who knows. Clearly he isn't that appealing to many other teams. When u consider what Heyward and even Upton got. He barely was able to sniff 1 big deal. And even that was deferred $. He's also been on what 4 teams in 4 yrs??

He's a great fit on this team and really took to NY. But i think we all overrated his market. Obviously.

 

[jamny]

love it!

#LGM

 

[Koya]

What I don't understand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

Again, I point toward my pre-trade stance when I was happy we didn't get Upton et al. And call me old school stupid, but I just don't see the studonkulous price for Heyward. Nice player. Better than the stats. Really nice player even. But.. whaaaa?

Gimme Cespedes, a young nucleus and redizzle pitching? Yeah, I'm good wit dat.

 

[Eephus]

What I don't und.erstand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

to be fair, there's not much left on the market

 

[Koya]

What I don't und.erstand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

to be fair, there's not much left on the market

This year.

Upton, Heyward... keep going. Ok, I'd take Heyward over him, but at half Heyward's contract mind you.

Been pretty consistent with my man-crush on Ces.

 

[humpback]

He gets $27.5 mil next year, so unless he's bad/injured he's definitely opting out. Had to sign him though.

Who knows. He clearly loves it here. Teams weren't willing to give him a huge deal this year, not so sure they'll be lining up to do so with him being a year older. His age is also a question mark let's be real. The FA class is weak which will help.If he really loves it here, maybe mets get creative again. Add another year + player option. Granderson will be gone after 17 also. Seems like a nice fit for Cespedes to move over to right

Like I said, it's a good signing and they had to do it, but it's effectively a 1 yr. deal unless he flops. He isn't playing 2017 for less money than 2016 if things go according to plan.

Who knows. Clearly he isn't that appealing to many other teams. When u consider what Heyward and even Upton got. He barely was able to sniff 1 big deal. And even that was deferred $. He's also been on what 4 teams in 4 yrs??He's a great fit on this team and really took to NY. But i think we all overrated his market. Obviously.

I like him, but I think he's overrated, which is why no one broke the bank for him. He put up great numbers for the Mets, but he hasn't been nearly that good for his career. He also was terrible at Citi field, which I'm hoping was a fluke.

My point is that players just don't play for less money in future years- the only way he won't opt out is if he doesn't have a good season, and obviously that wouldn't be good for the Mets either.

 

[Eephus]

What I don't und.erstand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

to be fair, there's not much left on the market

This year.

Upton, Heyward... keep going. Ok, I'd take Heyward over him, but at half Heyward's contract mind you.

Been pretty consistent with my man-crush on Ces.

Heyward's first opt-out is after three years, the same as the length of Cespedes' deal. The Mets are paying out almost $10M more over that span. The Cubs are potentially on the hook for much more after that but Heyward will be younger in 2019 than Cespedes is now.

 

[Da Gildz]

What I don't und.erstand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

to be fair, there's not much left on the market

This year.

Upton, Heyward... keep going. Ok, I'd take Heyward over him, but at half Heyward's contract mind you.

Been pretty consistent with my man-crush on Ces.

Heyward's first opt-out is after three years, the same as the length of Cespedes' deal. The Mets are paying out almost $10M more over that span. The Cubs are potentially on the hook for much more after that but Heyward will be younger in 2019 than Cespedes is now.

'Potentially' on the hook for much more for Heyward is being kind. Think there is little chance Heyward is getting more then 5 years @ 23+/year after his 3rd year opt out. Heck he's overpaid right now at a younger age. IMO.

 

[dparker713]

What I don't und.erstand, even considering age (but he's 30, not 36 or even 33) I'd rather have him for the next 2-3 seasons than ANYone else on the market.

to be fair, there's not much left on the market

This year.

Upton, Heyward... keep going. Ok, I'd take Heyward over him, but at half Heyward's contract mind you.

Been pretty consistent with my man-crush on Ces.

Heyward's first opt-out is after three years, the same as the length of Cespedes' deal. The Mets are paying out almost $10M more over that span. The Cubs are potentially on the hook for much more after that but Heyward will be younger in 2019 than Cespedes is now.

'Potentially' on the hook for much more for Heyward is being kind. Think there is little chance Heyward is getting more then 5 years @ 23+/year after his 3rd year opt out. Heck he's overpaid right now at a younger age. IMO.

Presuming the luxury tax is raised significantly in the next CBA, I'd expect player salaries to grow even faster in the near future.

 

[Da Gildz]

I don't see the owners agreeing to that. Why would they? Raising it substantially helps no one but the large market clubs. And the players obviously. How many teams even come close to or go beyond the current threshold? 3?

 

[dparker713]

I don't see the owners agreeing to that. Why would they? Raising it substantially helps no one but the large market clubs. And the players obviously. How many teams even come close to or go beyond the current threshold? 3?

Pretty sure its at the top of the players demands.

 

[Da Gildz]

I don't see the owners agreeing to that. Why would they? Raising it substantially helps no one but the large market clubs. And the players obviously. How many teams even come close to or go beyond the current threshold? 3?

Pretty sure its at the top of the players demands.

And what about the owners?

 

[Eephus]

Even without an increase in the luxury tax threshold, there has been salary inflation especially for available free agents. This article discusses and tries to model the phenomenon--I'm not sure I totally agree with the author's points but salaries keep going up regardless.

After accounting for deferred bonus that the Cubs have already committed, Heyward walks away from 5/$106M if he opts out after 2018 as a 29 year-old. I don't think it's out of the question that this occurs. That's basically where the market is now before accounting for inflation. Three years is obviously a long way away; a lot can happen to baseball economics and Heyward's productivity. A lot also depends who else will be available that off-season.

 

[dparker713]

I don't see the owners agreeing to that. Why would they? Raising it substantially helps no one but the large market clubs. And the players obviously. How many teams even come close to or go beyond the current threshold? 3?

Pretty sure its at the top of the players demands.

And what about the owners?

They agreed to raise it in the last CBA. I see no reason that they'd draw a line in the sand this time. The question isn't really if it's going up, it's by how much.

 

[Da Gildz]

I don't see the owners agreeing to that. Why would they? Raising it substantially helps no one but the large market clubs. And the players obviously. How many teams even come close to or go beyond the current threshold? 3?

Pretty sure its at the top of the players demands.

And what about the owners?

They agreed to raise it in the last CBA. I see no reason that they'd draw a line in the sand this time. The question isn't really if it's going up, it's by how much.

Right and I agree. The substantial increase is where I differ. It's gone up ~ 3-5% every new CBA. Hardly substantial $. So not sure why that would change moving fwd.

 

[Tom Servo]

Jenry Mejia permanently banned from MLB after 3rd positive PED test.

 

[RBM]

Lifetime ban for Meijia.

 

[MCguidance]

Lifetime ban for Meijia.

 

[Koya]

what a shameful waste of talent - he flushed away millions

 

[Fariq]

what a shameful waste of talent - he flushed away millions

Arrogance or stupidity?

 

[Koya]

what a shameful waste of talent - he flushed away millions

Arrogance or stupidity?

Not that I know enough to know, but betting the latter.

Even if it's the former, it's the latter. ####### MILLIONS for being a crappy reliever by the time they figure it all out.

 

[dparker713]

Well mejia can apply for reinstatement after 2 years so the Mets may already have bullpen help lined up for the stretch run of 2018.

 

[comfortably numb]

:stretch:

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Lifetime ban for Meijia.

Can we get one for Da Glitz from these forums too?  That would be sweet. 

 

[Da Gildz]

Can we get one for Da Glitz from these forums too?  That would be sweet. 

Only if you promise not to post all hours of the night and get a significant other? Lol.   Lonely doc.  ?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Da Glitz claiming all the Yankees titles as a badge of honor in the Tigers thread.   

 

[Koya]

Guys, take it to Detroit or the guido infested bars where true yanks fans are (the rest are front running youngsters or johnny come latelies).

This is for NY's real team for real NYers.  Not a bunch of fair weatherers who claim bronx as their home, like they'd ever set foot in the damn borough otherwise.

 

[dparker713]

Guys, take it to Detroit or the guido infested bars where true yanks fans are (the rest are front running youngsters or johnny come latelies).

This is for NY's real team for real NYers.  Not a bunch of fair weatherers who claim bronx as their home, like they'd ever set foot in the damn borough otherwise.

To be fair, who wants to go anywhere near Queens, except on gameday. 

 

[jamny]

To be fair, who wants to go anywhere near Queens, except on gameday. 

I'm glad people think that. Nothing to see here, just drive past.

 

[Koya]

To be fair, who wants to go anywhere near Queens, except on gameday. 

Astoria - best greek food in the nation.

Queens County - most diverse county / region in nation, plenty of reasons.

The rest - How the #### else do I get to the city?  - LawnGuylandah.

 

[Chemical X]

To be fair, who wants to go anywhere near Queens, except on gameday. 

to be fair, only 1 borough has 2 airports, 2 horse racing tracks, 1 mlb baseball stadium, 1 US Open tennis complex.  nothing to see here, move along.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Cespedes is worse in CF than Da Glitz is at the internet. 

He just let a ball go over his head, ball bounced to fence and laid on the warning track, and Cespedes raised his hands like the ball went under the fence.  It was an inside the park homer.   

 

[Peyton Marino]

No it's nothing like that. A 12-3 start in baseball is massive. If they play 9 games under .500 rest of season, they finish with 81 wins. If they play just 1 game over .500 ROS, They finish with 86 wins. To equate this start to a 1-0 NFL team is absurd. Do better.

hoping we can get more wonderful insight like this from gildo in 2016.

 

[Peyton Marino]

#doBETTER