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[pantherclub]

I would be willing to bet that they go back to predetermined setlist for Hampton.

I never knew they ever played with a predetermined setlist. I'd be curious to know when they abandoned this.

Early 90's i would guess. In one of the books, HFB maybe, they talk about how a predetermined setlist allows them to nail each song but takes away from their experimental stage. There was a long chapter about how they would practice and do crazy stuff like blindfold everyone, switch keys midsong and let each member take the lead. They would practice for literally hours doing crazy stuff to build improvisation skills.

Yeah, and Trey used to stay up late after shows planning the next night's setlist. Fueled by the yay. Almost like he was the biggest phish-geek out there.I really wonder how much fire is left in the belly to do the type of practice it takes to get the band in a similar place they were in in the early-mid 90s. I read somewhere on the internets that the first practice sessions in Brooklyn had mixed reports coming out of them, but that was a while ago.

I gotta think that they will take this extremely serious after what happened at Coventry. I strongly believe that if Coventry had been a success then that would have been the eternal end for phish. As it is now they went out on the worst note possible and want to make amends. After this tour I expect them to only do short runs and not tour extensively anymore. The long spring/summer runs just has to be murder on your 40yr old body and familys. I could see them doing like a 10 show fall run ending on NYE then start another june/july run next year just to keep it fresh. To me personally they will lose the enigma about them if they start playing 30-50 shows a year

seems I was right about the predetermined setlist.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/arts/mus...nted=1&_r=2

After reading that all I can say is #### you ticketmaster, #### you

 

[Gigantomachia]

seems I was right about the predetermined setlist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/arts/mus...nted=1&_r=2

After reading that all I can say is #### you ticketmaster, #### you

Phish always had setlists, whether they stayed on them or not was a whole other story. Usually the first two songs are scripted, but after that all is up for grabs. If Trey feels like Big Black Furry Creatures from Mars needs to be played, it will be played.That being said, #### ticketmaster.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

PYITE or ACDC Bag both sound like good openers tomorrow. "Get Back on the Train" might be too obvious, same with Chalkdust Torture. Simple would be an interesting choice. Some other ones that come to mind: Llama, Divided Sky, Down With Disease...

Damn I wish I was going to be there... at least I have the summer to look forward to.

Money quote from the NYT article:

Phish was not playing its best before the breakup. The Coventry shows in particular had both Phish’s longtime fans — possibly the most detail-oriented and judgmental cult in rock — and the band members themselves calling the performance sloppy, as Mr. Anastasio did. “If there was ever a concert that represented a band smacking into a wall, that was it,” Phish’s drummer, Jon Fishman, said. “I think that was one of the great train wrecks in live concert history.”

 

[pantherclub]

seems I was right about the predetermined setlist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/arts/mus...nted=1&_r=2

After reading that all I can say is #### you ticketmaster, #### you

Phish always had setlists, whether they stayed on them or not was a whole other story. Usually the first two songs are scripted, but after that all is up for grabs. If Trey feels like Big Black Furry Creatures from Mars needs to be played, it will be played.That being said, #### ticketmaster.

Yeah but back in the heyday they were practicing a ton and could go into a familiar song, from what I get from the article is that the practiced a core group of songs and are going to play them tight as hell.Not to beat a dead horse but #### you ticketmaster for your shady as hell business.

 

[Reaper]

Wasn't it Ticketsnow that sucks the ###### ####.. Or are they the same now?

Anyway, I think I learned that if you are going to buy on ebay for something like this do it early... The ebay prices for Jones Beach are getting out of hand... At this point I'm glad I got 1 Thursday night in the Orch for $150.00..... Lots of shows get cheaper as the show gets closer - not Phish of course...

If that's all I see then so be it.

 

[pantherclub]

Wasn't it Ticketsnow that sucks the ###### ####.. Or are they the same now?Anyway, I think I learned that if you are going to buy on ebay for something like this do it early... The ebay prices for Jones Beach are getting out of hand... At this point I'm glad I got 1 Thursday night in the Orch for $150.00..... Lots of shows get cheaper as the show gets closer - not Phish of course... If that's all I see then so be it.

Ticketmaster and ticketsnow are one and the same. Therein lies the shady as hell business practice that finally the senator from NJ called them out on.

 

[Bobcat10]

PYITE or ACDC Bag both sound like good openers tomorrow. "Get Back on the Train" might be too obvious, same with Chalkdust Torture. Simple would be an interesting choice. Some other ones that come to mind: Llama, Divided Sky, Down With Disease...

Damn I wish I was going to be there... at least I have the summer to look forward to.

Money quote from the NYT article:

Phish was not playing its best before the breakup. The Coventry shows in particular had both Phish’s longtime fans — possibly the most detail-oriented and judgmental cult in rock — and the band members themselves calling the performance sloppy, as Mr. Anastasio did. “If there was ever a concert that represented a band smacking into a wall, that was it,” Phish’s drummer, Jon Fishman, said. “I think that was one of the great train wrecks in live concert history.”

Mr. Bobcat10 is confused as to why they didn't refer to him as Mr. Fishman. Because it was in between quotes?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

PYITE or ACDC Bag both sound like good openers tomorrow. "Get Back on the Train" might be too obvious, same with Chalkdust Torture. Simple would be an interesting choice. Some other ones that come to mind: Llama, Divided Sky, Down With Disease...

Damn I wish I was going to be there... at least I have the summer to look forward to.

Money quote from the NYT article:

Phish was not playing its best before the breakup. The Coventry shows in particular had both Phish’s longtime fans — possibly the most detail-oriented and judgmental cult in rock — and the band members themselves calling the performance sloppy, as Mr. Anastasio did. “If there was ever a concert that represented a band smacking into a wall, that was it,” Phish’s drummer, Jon Fishman, said. “I think that was one of the great train wrecks in live concert history.”

Mr. Bobcat10 is confused as to why they didn't refer to him as Mr. Fishman. Because it was in between quotes?

Because "mr." is a term applied to adults and we're talking about Greezy Fizeek here?

 

[Workhorse]

i think the Curtain would be cool (don't think they botched it at Coventy, btw)

They botched it so badly that they had to stop midsong to play it IN THE CORRECT KEY.It was a colossal mess.

 

[Gigantomachia]

i think the Curtain would be cool (don't think they botched it at Coventy, btw)

They botched it so badly that they had to stop midsong to play it IN THE CORRECT KEY.It was a colossal mess.

And I would go again in a heartbeat.The Down with Disease to open the second set of the last night was worth the price of admission.

 

[Print Is Dead]

Official opener prediction: Riker's Mailbox -> Eye of the Tiger

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Official opener prediction: Riker's Mailbox -> Eye of the Tiger -> Riker's Mailbox > Faht > Spock's Brain

Fixed.

 

[Gigantomachia]

My predicted opener: Ghost.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm thinking it'll be something upbeat. I like the "Chalkdust," "AC/DC Bag," "PYITE" suggestions.

 

[Gigantomachia]

I'm thinking it'll be something upbeat. I like the "Chalkdust," "AC/DC Bag," "PYITE" suggestions.

If they opened with Punch You in the Eye I would ####.Chalkdust is always a good opener, but a bit predictable as others have pointed out. AC/DC Bag has a solid shot IMO.I still think Ghost would be the best opener.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm thinking it'll be something upbeat. I like the "Chalkdust," "AC/DC Bag," "PYITE" suggestions.

If they opened with Punch You in the Eye I would ####.Chalkdust is always a good opener, but a bit predictable as others have pointed out. AC/DC Bag has a solid shot IMO.I still think Ghost would be the best opener.

"YEM?"

 

[Gigantomachia]

I'm thinking it'll be something upbeat. I like the "Chalkdust," "AC/DC Bag," "PYITE" suggestions.

If they opened with Punch You in the Eye I would ####.Chalkdust is always a good opener, but a bit predictable as others have pointed out. AC/DC Bag has a solid shot IMO.I still think Ghost would be the best opener.

"YEM?"

I could see that. I do enjoy myself.Personally, I would LOVE to see them open with Haley's Comet.

 

[Print Is Dead]

Official opener prediction: Riker's Mailbox -> Eye of the Tiger -> Riker's Mailbox > Faht* > Spock's Brain* With Hocus Pocus by Focus jam

Fixed.

Double fixed.

 

[Print Is Dead]

Official opener prediction: Riker's Mailbox -> Eye of the Tiger -> Riker's Mailbox > Faht* > Spock's Brain* With Hocus Pocus by Focus jam (first time played)

Fixed.

Double fixed.

Triple fixed.

 

[Gigantomachia]

It all happens tonight!

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

It all happens tonight!

Hopefully, we can have a little chatter with setlist updates in here.

 

[Gigantomachia]

It all happens tonight!

Hopefully, we can have a little chatter with setlist updates in here.

I am sure they will be up quick.And you know Phish is posting them for free download, right?I am playing my dedication to Phish on my radio show right now. See the Giggy Radio thread.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

It all happens tonight!

Hopefully, we can have a little chatter with setlist updates in here.

I am sure they will be up quick.And you know Phish is posting them for free download, right?I am playing my dedication to Phish on my radio show right now. See the Giggy Radio thread.

Yep.Yep.Will do.

 

[Finless]

"2001" into something might be cool.

Potentially, a good opener. I was spot on when I said they would open with Piper last time when they came back at MSG and also with Chalkdust when they played SNL.I'm feeling a Simple for some reason. Other guesses would be First Tube, 2001>PYITE, DWD, Piper

 

[Workhorse]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s.

There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.

I give you tonight's opener:

Fluffhead

 

[Finless]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s. There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.I give you tonight's opener:Fluffhead

True story. I met Page outside of a show in Fort Worth Texas. I had noticed they hadn't played Fluff in a long time and asked him to play it. They played it that night...1995.I expect a Tela and a Slave.

 

[shuke]

I was spot on when I said they would open with Piper last time when they came back at MSG and also with

IMPRESSIVE

 

[shuke]

True story. I met Page outside of a show in Fort Worth Texas. I had noticed they hadn't played Fluff in a long time and asked him to play it. They played it that night...1995.

 

[Finless]

I was spot on when I said they would open with Piper last time when they came back at MSG and also with

IMPRESSIVE

It was. You're just jealous because I can foresee what song they will play and you've never even sniffed a live show.Sucker

 

[bakes]

Two of my co-workers and their BFs are on their way down to the show now. They were absolutely giddy yesterday. Cool re the free downloads.

Oh, almost forgot... #### Ticketmaster!

 

[Finless]

True story. I met Page outside of a show in Fort Worth Texas. I had noticed they hadn't played Fluff in a long time and asked him to play it. They played it that night...1995.

10-13-95 Will Rogers Auditorium, Fort Worth, TX

1: Ya Mar, Also Sprach Zarathustra, Maze, Billy Breathes, I'm Blue I'm Lonesome, Prince Caspian, Split Open and Melt, Fluffhead, Life on Mars?*

2: Tube, Uncle Pen, Theme From the Bottom, Wilson, Run Like an Antelope, Keyboard Army, Lizards, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Sweet Adeline, The Squirming Coil

E: Bold as Love

*David Bowie cover (first time played).

It happened

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Alot of the older stuff is tighter. As the years progressed they tended to get a little more noodley and a little too spacey sometimes. I can do without a 30 minute Tweezer.

The 7/21/91 was really a perfect suggestion for you. They also have a new live 3cd set of the '88 Colorado tour. That'd be worth picking up.

YEM, Tweezer, ####, all of their jams are all good to go.

Not all the time, but then again no band will ever be on every single night. I'm just saying I'd much rather listen to a 89 YEM than I would a 99 YEM.The 35 min Tweezers were cool when I was in my "Phish can do no wrong" days, but now when I hear one after about 15 min I'm waiting to hear them go back into the familiar Tweezer Chords.

 

[snitwitch]

Money quote from that article:

Late last year the four band members came together, by themselves, to make music in Mr. Anastasio’s Burlington barn and studio. They liked what they heard. And they resolved to be the version of Phish they prized most: the intently practiced, well-prepared Phish from the mid-90s. They started their Vermont rehearsals not with their countryish three-chord songs but with their intricate, suitelike songs that verge on progressive rock, like “Split Open and Melt” and “Foam.” Although Phish has recorded demo versions of 20 songs for its next album, only one is likely to be heard this weekend: “Backwards Down the Number Line,” a fond birthday song that asks, “Do you know why we’re still friends?”

 

[Workhorse]

I'm just happy that I'm going to see them in June in Knoxville and I'm about 75% certain that I'll get to hit Bonnaroo as well.

 

[Finless]

Money quote from that article:

Late last year the four band members came together, by themselves, to make music in Mr. Anastasio’s Burlington barn and studio. They liked what they heard. And they resolved to be the version of Phish they prized most: the intently practiced, well-prepared Phish from the mid-90s. They started their Vermont rehearsals not with their countryish three-chord songs but with their intricate, suitelike songs that verge on progressive rock, like “Split Open and Melt” and “Foam.” Although Phish has recorded demo versions of 20 songs for its next album, only one is likely to be heard this weekend: “Backwards Down the Number Line,” a fond birthday song that asks, “Do you know why we’re still friends?”

Agreed 94-95-96 Phish's best years. 1995 was their peak no doubt. Purist dorks who were touring in the late 80's will say those were the best but musically mid 90's no doubt. Fuller sound playing the classics before they came out with that whole slew of #### that sucked.

 

[Workhorse]

Money quote from that article:

Late last year the four band members came together, by themselves, to make music in Mr. Anastasio’s Burlington barn and studio. They liked what they heard. And they resolved to be the version of Phish they prized most: the intently practiced, well-prepared Phish from the mid-90s. They started their Vermont rehearsals not with their countryish three-chord songs but with their intricate, suitelike songs that verge on progressive rock, like “Split Open and Melt” and “Foam.” Although Phish has recorded demo versions of 20 songs for its next album, only one is likely to be heard this weekend: “Backwards Down the Number Line,” a fond birthday song that asks, “Do you know why we’re still friends?”

Agreed 94-95-96 Phish's best years. 1995 was their peak no doubt. Purist dorks who were touring in the late 80's will say those were the best but musically mid 90's no doubt. Fuller sound playing the classics before they came out with that whole slew of #### that sucked.

To put an even finer point on it: From Halloween through New Years 1995, Phish was at it's very best. Nearly every night had something jaw-dropping, and those setlists are littered with "best versions" of nearly every single classic Phish tune.

 

[Finless]

Money quote from that article:

Late last year the four band members came together, by themselves, to make music in Mr. Anastasio’s Burlington barn and studio. They liked what they heard. And they resolved to be the version of Phish they prized most: the intently practiced, well-prepared Phish from the mid-90s. They started their Vermont rehearsals not with their countryish three-chord songs but with their intricate, suitelike songs that verge on progressive rock, like “Split Open and Melt” and “Foam.” Although Phish has recorded demo versions of 20 songs for its next album, only one is likely to be heard this weekend: “Backwards Down the Number Line,” a fond birthday song that asks, “Do you know why we’re still friends?”

Agreed 94-95-96 Phish's best years. 1995 was their peak no doubt. Purist dorks who were touring in the late 80's will say those were the best but musically mid 90's no doubt. Fuller sound playing the classics before they came out with that whole slew of #### that sucked.

To put an even finer point on it: From Halloween through New Years 1995, Phish was at it's very best. Nearly every night had something jaw-dropping, and those setlists are littered with "best versions" of nearly every single classic Phish tune.

Was at all of those shows except Portland and Albany. Still pissed I missed that Portland show. They were on fire every night. By the late 90's none of that was left and when I saw them in 2002 or 2003 they were a joke. I had been spoiled. I'm over the scene but I would love to see them again at Hampton.

 

[snitwitch]

PYITE or ACDC Bag both sound like good openers tomorrow. "Get Back on the Train" might be too obvious, same with Chalkdust Torture. Simple would be an interesting choice. Some other ones that come to mind: Llama, Divided Sky, Down With Disease...

Damn I wish I was going to be there... at least I have the summer to look forward to.

Money quote from the NYT article:

Phish was not playing its best before the breakup. The Coventry shows in particular had both Phish’s longtime fans — possibly the most detail-oriented and judgmental cult in rock — and the band members themselves calling the performance sloppy, as Mr. Anastasio did. “If there was ever a concert that represented a band smacking into a wall, that was it,” Phish’s drummer, Jon Fishman, said. “I think that was one of the great train wrecks in live concert history.”

Mr. Bobcat10 is confused as to why they didn't refer to him as Mr. Fishman. Because it was in between quotes?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's because it was the first time he was mentioned in the article. Had they referred to him later, it would have been Mr. Fishman.

 

[snitwitch]

Money quote from that article:

Late last year the four band members came together, by themselves, to make music in Mr. Anastasio’s Burlington barn and studio. They liked what they heard. And they resolved to be the version of Phish they prized most: the intently practiced, well-prepared Phish from the mid-90s. They started their Vermont rehearsals not with their countryish three-chord songs but with their intricate, suitelike songs that verge on progressive rock, like “Split Open and Melt” and “Foam.” Although Phish has recorded demo versions of 20 songs for its next album, only one is likely to be heard this weekend: “Backwards Down the Number Line,” a fond birthday song that asks, “Do you know why we’re still friends?”

Agreed 94-95-96 Phish's best years. 1995 was their peak no doubt. Purist dorks who were touring in the late 80's will say those were the best but musically mid 90's no doubt. Fuller sound playing the classics before they came out with that whole slew of #### that sucked.

To put an even finer point on it: From Halloween through New Years 1995, Phish was at it's very best. Nearly every night had something jaw-dropping, and those setlists are littered with "best versions" of nearly every single classic Phish tune.

Was at all of those shows except Portland and Albany. Still pissed I missed that Portland show. They were on fire every night. By the late 90's none of that was left and when I saw them in 2002 or 2003 they were a joke. I had been spoiled. I'm over the scene but I would love to see them again at Hampton.

I made it to 8 or 9 of these late 1995 shows, through the new years run. You could sense something really big was happening during these months in 1995, like it was the culmination of everything that had come before. Serious Jedi ####. Youtube has some great clips from this period, it's insane to hear how tight they were. Tight not only in terms of timing, rhythm, and "cleanness" of the playing, but the jams also made sense, went to interesting places, weren't noodley and meandering in the least.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s. There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.I give you tonight's opener:Fluffhead

Very interesting.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

When will tonight's show be available?

 

[snitwitch]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s. There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.I give you tonight's opener:Fluffhead

Very interesting.

This would be very very cool. But this may be the Phish song with the highest propensity for Trey failure. I can't imagine walking out onto that stage, with people basically flipping their ####, trying to work through the intricate guitar parts right off the bat.I'm still banking on Chalkdust / Llama.I think shows will be available tomorrow on the innernets.

 

[Gigantomachia]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s. There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.I give you tonight's opener:Fluffhead

Very interesting.

That would be awesome.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

According to that NY Times article, they are practicing like mad, trying to get back to the more complex-style jams of the mid-90s. There's one song that was dropped from the Phish 2.0 rotation, according to legend, that was just too complex for them to get right without loads of practice.I give you tonight's opener:Fluffhead

Very interesting.

This would be very very cool. But this may be the Phish song with the highest propensity for Trey failure. I can't imagine walking out onto that stage, with people basically flipping their ####, trying to work through the intricate guitar parts right off the bat.I'm still banking on Chalkdust / Llama.I think shows will be available tomorrow on the innernets.

Well, if he can't do it justice, they won't attempt it.

 

[Gigantomachia]

When will tonight's show be available?

Don't know when, but I do know whereEdited to add:

Says Trey Anastasio, "We really wanted to show our gratitude to all the Phish fans for their support and the overwhelming response they've had to these shows. It's going to be an amazing celebration and we only wish everybody could be there," Phish will be recording the Hampton shows in a mobile multitrack studio, and mixing the shows overnight for immediate delivery on LivePhish.com. 256kbps MP3s will be available for free download for a limited time.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

When will tonight's show be available?

Don't know when, but I do know whereEdited to add:

Says Trey Anastasio, "We really wanted to show our gratitude to all the Phish fans for their support and the overwhelming response they've had to these shows. It's going to be an amazing celebration and we only wish everybody could be there," Phish will be recording the Hampton shows in a mobile multitrack studio, and mixing the shows overnight for immediate delivery on LivePhish.com. 256kbps MP3s will be available for free download for a limited time.

Awesome.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

When will tonight's show be available?

Don't know when, but I do know whereEdited to add:

Says Trey Anastasio, "We really wanted to show our gratitude to all the Phish fans for their support and the overwhelming response they've had to these shows. It's going to be an amazing celebration and we only wish everybody could be there," Phish will be recording the Hampton shows in a mobile multitrack studio, and mixing the shows overnight for immediate delivery on LivePhish.com. 256kbps MP3s will be available for free download for a limited time.

Awesome.

Preordered.

 

[Gigantomachia]

When will tonight's show be available?

Don't know when, but I do know whereEdited to add:

Says Trey Anastasio, "We really wanted to show our gratitude to all the Phish fans for their support and the overwhelming response they've had to these shows. It's going to be an amazing celebration and we only wish everybody could be there," Phish will be recording the Hampton shows in a mobile multitrack studio, and mixing the shows overnight for immediate delivery on LivePhish.com. 256kbps MP3s will be available for free download for a limited time.

Awesome.

Preordered.

Didn't see that.<------ Preordered as well!!

 

[Bobcat10]

When will tonight's show be available?

Don't know when, but I do know whereEdited to add:

Says Trey Anastasio, "We really wanted to show our gratitude to all the Phish fans for their support and the overwhelming response they've had to these shows. It's going to be an amazing celebration and we only wish everybody could be there," Phish will be recording the Hampton shows in a mobile multitrack studio, and mixing the shows overnight for immediate delivery on LivePhish.com. 256kbps MP3s will be available for free download for a limited time.

Awesome.

Preordered.

Didn't see that.<------ Preordered as well!!

Very nice. Thank you.

 

[snitwitch]

Pics from the rehearsal last night: http://thebutterroom.com/post/83829938/pic...mpton-rehearsal

Couple of thoughts:

1. Page looks very... how shall we say it... bald. But with long hair. Sorta like the cryptkeeper.

2. Looks like they returned to the "original" stage setup of page - trey - mike - fishman.