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***Official Pittsburgh Pirates 2012 Thread*** (5 Viewers)

I'd take 2009 Mark Reynolds any day of the week. .892 OPS and 44 Homers, can't think of a team in basebsall who wouldn't want that. :shrug:Reynold really bad in the field though...
That's his ceiling, not expectation. That year from Reynolds caused him to be an over paid asset.
 
I'd take 2009 Mark Reynolds any day of the week. .892 OPS and 44 Homers, can't think of a team in basebsall who wouldn't want that. :shrug:Reynold really bad in the field though...
That's his ceiling, not expectation. That year from Reynolds caused him to be an over paid asset.
Reynolds is overpaid? When did that happen? $4.5 mm a year for a guy that averaged 32 homers over his first five full seasons is a bargain by any measure. He's had some injuries and setbacks this year but he's a guy that can be a nice fit hitting 7th as long as you can put him at 1B or DH. On Alvarez, his ceiling is higher than that of Reynolds IMO. His fielding alone makes him a better long-term option and he might be able to hang in the .250 range with OPS in the mid to high 800s if he draws more walks.
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'fred_1_15301 said:
Oh and Pedro with yet another hr. Is he entering "must-start" territory against right-handed pitching?
Only righties with 4+ ERAs and no curveball
Man, you guys are rough. He's leading NL third basemen in HRs and is 2nd in RBIs. That's not enough at this point in his career?
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'fred_1_15301 said:
Oh and Pedro with yet another hr. Is he entering "must-start" territory against right-handed pitching?
Only righties with 4+ ERAs and no curveball
Man, you guys are rough. He's leading NL third basemen in HRs and is 2nd in RBIs. That's not enough at this point in his career?
Agreed. And putting the stats aside, he looks MUCH better at the plate. I also think his D is underrated. Probably has one of the strongest arms in the league.
 
Ive been pimping Pedro for a couple months now, I was being sarcastic. When Balco actually realizes his worth, then we'll know he's arrived.

 
Ive been pimping Pedro for a couple months now, I was being sarcastic. When Balco actually realizes his worth, then we'll know he's arrived.
When have I not realized his worth? Because I think Headley is a better player doesn't mean I don't think Alvarez has value. And just because I think the Pirates would be idiots to not include Alvarez in a deal for Upton does not mean Alvarez does not have value.
 
Pedro looking good again today.
He is good at identifying what he wants to hit out of the pitcher's hand and when he's right he just crushes the ball. He has some work to do but these past two months are an indication he's starting to finally get it, and 40 HRs every single year from this guy is well within reason. If he learns to take more walks and take what tough pitchers are giving, he's gonna be super IMO.
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.

 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Really? How about 4 years of sub 3.8 ERA's? Why look at 3 starts? Everybody has a bad start every now and then. Signed through 2014 and depending on how much cash came over with him, maybe cheaply.
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Maybe a change of scenery will do him good. Maybe not. Either way, I don't think we gave up any integral pieces of our future to get him.
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Those guys we traded are actually any good? His 3.79 ERA is better than half our staff
Grossman is a pretty good prospect. He should be a major league regular. Owens is pretty close to major league ready. I would expect Houston to replace Wandy with him. He is likely no better than a 3 or 4 starter though. Still he is pretty valuable. Cain is still far enough away that it is hard to say. He has a 4.20 ERA in Bradenton this year.
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Really? How about 4 years of sub 3.8 ERA's? Why look at 3 starts? Everybody has a bad start every now and then. Signed through 2014 and depending on how much cash came over with him, maybe cheaply.
Actually he's be sub 3.8 for 5 years in a row including this year. Dont see the complaints here, especially depending on the cash they sent over.
 
Either way, I don't think we gave up any integral pieces of our future to get him.
:goodposting: Grossman is shaping up like a 270/340 hitter without much power, for a corner OF position anyway, so nothing special there. Owens doesn't look like anything special himself, a back end of the rotation guy but that's it. Cain's just a dart throw.Good move, Buccos. If they make the playoffs this is a formidable starting 4, which is necessary given the lack of offense.
 
i was merely citing his last three stats. go back even further if you want. he hasn't been very good since about mid-may

 
Is June 1 back far enough to prove his ineffectiveness this year?

10 starts

58 1/3 innings

37 ER

82 baserunners

that's a 5.7 ERA

 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Really? How about 4 years of sub 3.8 ERA's? Why look at 3 starts? Everybody has a bad start every now and then. Signed through 2014 and depending on how much cash came over with him, maybe cheaply.
Actually he's be sub 3.8 for 5 years in a row including this year. Dont see the complaints here, especially depending on the cash they sent over.
Here are the terms:Rodriguez is owed $4 million for the rest of this season and $13 million next season. The obstacle to trading him, which they tried to do as early as his first trade deadline under the extension last year, had been in part the $13 million club option for 2014 that becomes a player option if traded. The option essentially guarantees Rodriguez $30 million over the rest of the deal, and the Astros will pay roughly $12 million of that assuming Rodriguez exercises the option, according to reports out of Pittsburgh.

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Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Really? How about 4 years of sub 3.8 ERA's? Why look at 3 starts? Everybody has a bad start every now and then. Signed through 2014 and depending on how much cash came over with him, maybe cheaply.
Actually he's be sub 3.8 for 5 years in a row including this year. Dont see the complaints here, especially depending on the cash they sent over.
Here are the terms:Rodriguez is owed $4 million for the rest of this season and $13 million next season. The obstacle to trading him, which they tried to do as early as his first trade deadline under the extension last year, had been in part the $13 million club option for 2014 that becomes a player option if traded. The option essentially guarantees Rodriguez $30 million over the rest of the deal, and the Astros will pay roughly $12 million of that assuming Rodriguez exercises the option, according to reports out of Pittsburgh.

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So essentially we would pay him $7M per yr, the next 2 years. Its more than were paying Burnett, but that seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
They needed this one. Correia was pretty good in what might have been his last start for the Bucs at least.
Only 5 hits again though, although Dempster's tough and we had 2 HR's...gotta get the bats back on track to keep winning series since the pitching has declined a bit.When's Wandy's first supposed to be?
 
Posted this in the MLB thread but it looks like we just acquired Wandy and cash for Grossman, Owens and Cain. I like the move and it's timely considering JMac's recent free fall.
That's a brutally bad trade. Rodriguez has allowed 12 ERs, 18 hits and 7 walks in his last three starts - 16 IP.
Those guys we traded are actually any good? His 3.79 ERA is better than half our staff
Grossman is a pretty good prospect. He should be a major league regular. Owens is pretty close to major league ready. I would expect Houston to replace Wandy with him. He is likely no better than a 3 or 4 starter though. Still he is pretty valuable. Cain is still far enough away that it is hard to say. He has a 4.20 ERA in Bradenton this year.
Grossman is potentially a nice little player - but no future in the Pirates outfield (with Marte ready and Bell on the way), so I think this was a good trade not having to give up any of their top 5 or 6 prospects
 
HUGE win today. Getting swept by the Cubs at home would be turrrible. However, this series once again exposed JMac and the offense. What happened to JMac's control? If he doesn't straighten up soon, this team is going nowhere. Also, I think we definitely need another bat (whether that's external or bringing up Marte). June was an anomaly.....this team just is not very talented on offense.

 
HUGE win today. Getting swept by the Cubs at home would be turrrible. However, this series once again exposed JMac and the offense. What happened to JMac's control? If he doesn't straighten up soon, this team is going nowhere. Also, I think we definitely need another bat (whether that's external or bringing up Marte). June was an anomaly.....this team just is not very talented on offense.
Was thinking the same thing. Then again, if Bedard and Karstens keep pitching like they have been lately, maybe they can overcome a 2nd half slump by JMac.
 
Marte up. Hopefully he plays everyday.
They said he would only get the call if they were going to play him. I sort of expect Victorino soon as a legit leadoff guy and in RF with marte taking the big LF. Last of Tabata?What about bringing up Clement?
Since youve said it a couple times now, what are these rumors about us getting the Flyin Hawaiian?! Whats his contract like?Havent heard anything about us getting him, but it would be awesome. Picture this top of the lineupVictorinoMarteCutchWalkerPedroJones
 
As long as we don't give up much, I'm fine going after Victorino. He's a rental and having the worst year of his career. I've heard rumors that the Phils want Lincoln in return. No way am I making that trade.

 

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