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http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?a...id=47&rss=1I'm starting the Jets kicker, as I expect both teams settling for 3 points multiple times tonight...
http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?a...id=47&rss=1I'm starting the Jets kicker, as I expect both teams settling for 3 points multiple times tonight...
You're right, he didn't give them enough credit. I just don't think that you can say with certainty that they beat up bad teams when they got absolutely trounced by the Fins. Like I said, both the Jets and Pats have played inconsistently."barely beating bad to average teams" < > Pats 41 Denver 7Sorry if that was difficult for you to follow.MCguidance said:SeniorVBDStudent said:Pats are hurting with key loses on both sides of the ball and playing pretty uninspired football barely beating bad to average teams and losing to good teams.
Pats 41 Denver 7 Denver is a good team? Pats and Jets both have bad losses and good wins. Your point?
There's no oops about it.A) They lead their division at 5-4. What a powerhouse. They won't be there for long anyway.B) They trail only Detroit, San Francisco, Houston and St. Louis in Points Allowed.fyi - denver leads their division.oops....
fyi - denver leads their division.oops....
Seahawks are in second, too.That would be spectacular.Ace333 said:I'm gonna say Jets 20 Pats 16.
Favre 2 TD 2 Int 230 yards. Good but not spectacular.
Cassel 1 TD 3 Int 190 Yards
Messy game.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this loss will hurt you the most.Jets should blow out NE tomorrow ... Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout Jones/Washington vs Geen-Ellis / Faulk (JETS) pretty much a blowout Oline (PUSH) but momentum heavily swinging in the Jets direction.Wide receivers (PATS) Advantage offset by lack of QB Rush Def (JETS) - Less per game, Less per carry, Antonio Pittman ran for 83 yds vs NEPassing Def (PATS) Advantage again offset by NE lack of QBMomentum (JETS) - Jets are Healthy, fired up, and getting better as a team each week. They are still stingy from the week 2 loss to the Pats and are determined to avenge the lose and the Goal Line Stance. - Pats are hurting with key loses on both sides of the ball and playing pretty uninspired football barely beating bad to average teams and losing to good teams. Coaching and Home field are the only things in the PATS favor this week ... It won't be enough PATS won't know what hit them!Forgot to mention Jets score 28.3 per game allow 21.1 +7.2Pats score 20.9 per game allow 17.8 +3.1
That's really not that close ... Brady had almost twice the tds.Now just for kicks ... post the receivers each was throwing toBack when Brady got hurt I suggested that Cassel might post numbers similar to Brady when he took over for Bledsoe in 2001.Through their first 9 games:Brady: 1611-12-7Cassel: 1800-7-7
Wait what?I'm voting for the upset. Not that I watch either team closely, but I think the Jets D is a lot better than in the first meeting and will come out of the gate to make a statement. Add that to the Favre's penchant for winning big games, and I think the Jets get a little payback on the Pats with a close win.
The funny thing is you'd be completely wrong! I am a GIANTS fan and I've always been a Jet hater. I just see 2 teams going in completely opposite directions and the momentum is totally in the Jets favor.Most Jet fans are being cautiously optimistic or are just preparing themselves for the inevitable letdown. I am usually watching and waiting for that moment to bust balls ... but I just don't see that happening.The Jets look like a better team than the Pats right now.Of course the Giants are better than both of them but that's not even an argument.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this loss will hurt you the most.Jets should blow out NE tomorrow ... Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout Jones/Washington vs Geen-Ellis / Faulk (JETS) pretty much a blowout Oline (PUSH) but momentum heavily swinging in the Jets direction.Wide receivers (PATS) Advantage offset by lack of QB Rush Def (JETS) - Less per game, Less per carry, Antonio Pittman ran for 83 yds vs NEPassing Def (PATS) Advantage again offset by NE lack of QBMomentum (JETS) - Jets are Healthy, fired up, and getting better as a team each week. They are still stingy from the week 2 loss to the Pats and are determined to avenge the lose and the Goal Line Stance. - Pats are hurting with key loses on both sides of the ball and playing pretty uninspired football barely beating bad to average teams and losing to good teams. Coaching and Home field are the only things in the PATS favor this week ... It won't be enough PATS won't know what hit them!Forgot to mention Jets score 28.3 per game allow 21.1 +7.2Pats score 20.9 per game allow 17.8 +3.1
Brady ended with 2843-18-12 with an 86.5 QB rating.Cassel is on pace for 3200-16-16 with an 83.9 rating.Looks fairly close to me.Troy Brown and Wes Welker are effectively even. Clearly the 01 Pats had no one comparible to Randy Moss. The point I had back Week 1 was that the Pats would do FAR WORSE statistically than many were suggesting. (At the time, many were still saying Moss would be Top 3 and Cassel would easily be Top 10 given the Pats strong offense.)Clearly the Pats are emplying a similar game plan with Cassel as they did with Brady in 01. Manage the game, limit turnovers, and try to stay in every game without trying to do too much.That's really not that close ... Brady had almost twice the tds.Now just for kicks ... post the receivers each was throwing toBack when Brady got hurt I suggested that Cassel might post numbers similar to Brady when he took over for Bledsoe in 2001.Through their first 9 games:Brady: 1611-12-7Cassel: 1800-7-7
So why do you think Favre will have an uncharacteristic game tonight?MCguidance said:He didn't ask who had more turnovers. He asked who will have them. I don't think it will be Favre.phthalatemagic said:Why do you say this? I think it's a bizarre statement. Favre - 12 picks, 2 lost fumbles. Cassell - 7 picks, 2 lost fumbles.MCguidance said:Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout
Who will yield more turnovers? Cassel
You can give me 300 reasons Favre will turn the ball over and I'll give you 458 and 63,634 reasons I think the Jets will have a better chance with Favre at the helm than the Patriots do with Cassel. The Jets got to Cassel 4 times the first game, he didn't turn it over via a fumble or a pick. If the Jets get to him that many times tonight, he might find it hard to protect the ball. Add to that the Jets are second in the league in sacks while the Patriots are one of the worst in terms of giving them up, I'll take my chances.So why do you think Favre will have an uncharacteristic game tonight?MCguidance said:He didn't ask who had more turnovers. He asked who will have them. I don't think it will be Favre.phthalatemagic said:Why do you say this? I think it's a bizarre statement. Favre - 12 picks, 2 lost fumbles. Cassell - 7 picks, 2 lost fumbles.MCguidance said:Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout
Who will yield more turnovers? Cassel
Just make sure your Giants get back to the superbowl; we've got unfinished business with you.The funny thing is you'd be completely wrong! I am a GIANTS fan and I've always been a Jet hater. I just see 2 teams going in completely opposite directions and the momentum is totally in the Jets favor.Most Jet fans are being cautiously optimistic or are just preparing themselves for the inevitable letdown. I am usually watching and waiting for that moment to bust balls ... but I just don't see that happening.The Jets look like a better team than the Pats right now.Of course the Giants are better than both of them but that's not even an argument.I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this loss will hurt you the most.Jets should blow out NE tomorrow ... Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout Jones/Washington vs Geen-Ellis / Faulk (JETS) pretty much a blowout Oline (PUSH) but momentum heavily swinging in the Jets direction.Wide receivers (PATS) Advantage offset by lack of QB Rush Def (JETS) - Less per game, Less per carry, Antonio Pittman ran for 83 yds vs NEPassing Def (PATS) Advantage again offset by NE lack of QBMomentum (JETS) - Jets are Healthy, fired up, and getting better as a team each week. They are still stingy from the week 2 loss to the Pats and are determined to avenge the lose and the Goal Line Stance. - Pats are hurting with key loses on both sides of the ball and playing pretty uninspired football barely beating bad to average teams and losing to good teams. Coaching and Home field are the only things in the PATS favor this week ... It won't be enough PATS won't know what hit them!Forgot to mention Jets score 28.3 per game allow 21.1 +7.2Pats score 20.9 per game allow 17.8 +3.1

OK, so Cassell turns the ball over 0 times the last Jets game suggests that he'll turn the ball over this game becuase he's due? I'm not sure why you said that, actually.and you said the Patriots are one of the worst in terms of giving up sacks, but ultimately Cassell still doesn't turn the ball over as often as the Jets.You can give me 300 reasons Favre will turn the ball over and I'll give you 458 and 63,634 reasons I think the Jets will have a better chance with Favre at the helm than the Patriots do with Cassel. The Jets got to Cassel 4 times the first game, he didn't turn it over via a fumble or a pick. If the Jets get to him that many times tonight, he might find it hard to protect the ball. Add to that the Jets are second in the league in sacks while the Patriots are one of the worst in terms of giving them up, I'll take my chances.So why do you think Favre will have an uncharacteristic game tonight?MCguidance said:He didn't ask who had more turnovers. He asked who will have them. I don't think it will be Favre.phthalatemagic said:Why do you say this? I think it's a bizarre statement. Favre - 12 picks, 2 lost fumbles. Cassell - 7 picks, 2 lost fumbles.MCguidance said:Farve vs Cassell (JETS) - Blowout
Who will yield more turnovers? Cassel
Almost there....Jets 78
Pats 0

lolI expect at least 56 people to check in and eat some crow.
Remember, we are talking about Pats fans here.Is there anything you would like to change about the above statement?MCguidance said:I expect at least 56 people to check in and eat some crow.
IN to have some crow. Nice win for the Jets; GREAT football game.Remember, we are talking about Pats fans here.Is there anything you would like to change about the above statement?MCguidance said:I expect at least 56 people to check in and eat some crow.
Yeah, that.Wait what?I'm voting for the upset. Not that I watch either team closely, but I think the Jets D is a lot better than in the first meeting and will come out of the gate to make a statement. Add that to the Favre's penchant for winning big games, and I think the Jets get a little payback on the Pats with a close win.
I would have to agree that Cassel played about as well as he could have in the second half. In the first half he was jittery, not hitting anyone on the out routes or outside the numbers and constantly looked like he was anticipating getting hit. After half, however, he was hitting his receivers, not looking down at his blockers, and was making the correct read almost every play. Not to mention he put that ball right on money to Moss to send the game into overtime, on 4th and 1, with 1 second left, in a winner-takes-first-place game. Hats off to the kid.Certainly in the running for Game of the Year. Congrats to the Jets fans. That said, how about that Matt Cassel, eh? He was fantastic last night..