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timschochet

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This thread is not meant to be a joke. Donald Trump has been elected our next President, and I wish to continue the serious discussion of all things related to his Presidency. There is no reason for anyone here to be personally rude or insulting to anyone else.

Moderators, I ask that you allow this thread. Discussion and debate about Donald Trump, and our politics in general, is important to a lot of people here. Obviously I cannot control who decides to post in here. If somebody is insulting, I ask that you suspend them or remove them, as you would in every other circumstances. But I also ask that you allow respectful discussion and debate to continue.

 
Here is an interesting assessment of Donald Trump's cabinet picks thus far. I think it tries to be pretty fair:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-bosses-analysis-idUSKBN1452PX

With more than 20 nominees now selected, Donald Trump’s cabinet appears much like the president-elect himself: mostly older, white males, many of them wealthy, who see themselves as risk-takers and deal-makers and prize action over deliberation.

Trump, who says Washington is "broken" and controlled by special interests, has largely eschewed technocrats with long government experience. Instead, he has built a team of bosses.

Trump's roster of agency heads and advisers conspicuously lacks intellectuals, lawyers, and academics of the sort sought by some past presidents. In their place are titans of business and finance from the likes of Exxon Mobil and Goldman Sachs and no fewer than three retired generals in key positions.

Many of them are people used to getting their way but will now have a boss to answer to - Trump - while navigating the sometimes frustrating and sprawling bureaucracy of the U.S. government. The incoming Trump administration is poised to undo as much of President Barack Obama's accomplishments as possible, while also attempting to advance a conservative policy agenda in areas such as taxes and healthcare.

A former senior U.S. official who knows Rex Tillerson, the former Exxon Mobil CEO who is Trump's nominee for secretary of state, and Marine General James Mattis, Trump's pick for defense secretary, predicted a massive clash of egos in the cabinet.

Tillerson and Mattis are “accustomed to dominating whatever space they find themselves in, and that probably will now include the Situation Room and even the Oval Office.”

Trump's transition team has said the cabinet is intended to be a mix of experienced Washington hands and newcomers. But former presidents who brought in outside blood have at times seen political neophytes make costly errors, experts said.

Of the 21 cabinet members and White House advisers chosen to date by Trump, 16 are white men. There are four women, none of whom hold what might be considered a top-tier agency post. There is one African-American, one Asian-American and one Indian-American. There are no Hispanics.

Like the real-estate magnate who chose them, several have no government experience. Others have been hostile toward the agencies they will lead if the U.S. Senate confirms them early next year.

Julian Zelizer, a presidential historian at Princeton University, said Trump is building a cabinet in his own image: blunt-talkers with real-world experience.

"Surrounding yourself with military guys and money guys sends a certain message," Zelizer said. "A certain kind of cutthroat aggressive dealmaker is how [Trump] imagines himself to be."

Obama, who leaves office in January, relied on experienced hands to form his cabinet in 2008. He named his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton, as his secretary of state. Robert Gates, who served the previous administration, remained at the Pentagon, and Obama made longtime Justice Department official Eric Holder attorney general.

Some of Trump's picks do have similar experience, and he has packed his on-the-ground transition teams at various agencies with government veterans and ex-lobbyists, a Reuters review found earlier this month.

NEW CHALLENGES

The newcomers to Washington will rise to the administrative challenge, said those who know them.

Republican Representative Tom Price, Trump's choice to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, is "decisive by nature," said fellow Republican lawmaker Tom Cole. He credited Price's career as a surgeon, which is also the former profession of Ben Carson, Trump's choice for secretary of housing and urban development.

Carson, said Henry Brem, a neurosurgeon who worked with Carson at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, has a "cool head" and is unafraid to give strong opinions. "He’s a gentleman, he speaks his mind, he has great ideas – and nobody in the world intimidates him.”

Rick Perry, Trump's choice for energy secretary, served three terms as governor of Texas and had to "balance a very conservative and increasingly ideological grassroots (support base) with a very influential business community," said James Henson, director of the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas at Austin.

"Whether he can do that do that in a bureaucratic setting, in an environment as competitive as a cabinet with a lot of obviously large egos, I think is another question," Henson said.

Several of Trump's picks have never held any sort of government post and have little, if any, background in policy-making, including Tillerson, Treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs alumnus, Commerce pick Wilbur Ross, a billionaire investor, and Gary Cohn, the Goldman Sachs executive who would chair Trump’s economic council.

In 2008, Mnuchin purchased IndyMac, a lender that failed during the financial crisis and helped transform it into OneWest, now a thriving retail bank in southern California.

Kevin Kelly, a managing partner at Recon Capital Partners, an investment firm in Stamford, Connecticut, said that kind of real-world savvy could make government more effective.

Those with high-level corporate experience are used to having to please shareholders, board members, employees, and the community, Kelly said. "It takes a very precise and dedicated person to deliver across those constituencies."

TOO MUCH DISRUPTION?

The outsider approach hasn't always worked. In 2001, President George W. Bush’s treasury secretary, Paul O’Neill, the former chief executive of aluminum producer Alcoa Inc, rattled markets with a series of careless remarks that seemed to herald economic policy shifts that differed with the White House's stance. He ultimately was fired.

"Management of large, public agencies is really difficult and requires bringing in experienced and knowledgeable people and working in ways that doesn't alienate people," said Thomas Mann, an expert on governance at the Brookings Institution.

Anthony Scaramucci, an adviser to the Trump transition, has acknowledged that too much inexperience could be harmful to Trump's young administration.

"Washington is a very healthy immunological system," he said. "You'll see a full-blown organ rejection if you put too many status-quo disruptors in Washington."

 
Basically, it comes down to this for me on the appointments- I'm very concerned by a few of them. In particular, the 3 that scare me the most are:

1. Flynn, because he seemingly believes in a lot of this conspiracy stuff.

2. The anti-climate change guys.

3. Ben Carson- I know he's a brain surgeon, but whenever I listen to him speak on political issues he seems way off.

That being said, a lot of these picks are interesting and they do represent a change from the typical technocrat, as the article notes. We may actually get some smart people taking a new fresh look at some of our urgent problems, and that might be a very good thing.

 
I'd also ask that this be allowed to exist. I'll bow out and leave myself to punk and emo fluff for the most part, as I've never really involved myself in the Trumpism or #neverTrumpism either way. I just think these are important things that can be discussed, hopefully reasonably. 

If not, then they can't, I guess. And that's sort of what we're arguing today.  

 
This thread is not meant to be a joke. Donald Trump has been elected our next President, and I wish to continue the serious discussion of all things related to his Presidency. There is no reason for anyone here to be personally rude or insulting to anyone else.

Moderators, I ask that you allow this thread. Discussion and debate about Donald Trump, and our politics in general, is important to a lot of people here. Obviously I cannot control who decides to post in here. If somebody is insulting, I ask that you suspend them or remove them, as you would in every other circumstances. But I also ask that you allow respectful discussion and debate to continue.
You should strenuously ask that they allow this thread :thumbup:

 
I have no real response to the posts from Rambling Wreck, Willie Neslon and Sinn Fein. If you guys want this thread removed, or ME removed, I'm not going to engage you. The mods have the power to do so anytime they like. Until they do I hope to continue to have a reasonable and respectful discussion.

 
I have no real response to the posts from Rambling Wreck, Willie Neslon and Sinn Fein. If you guys want this thread removed, or ME removed, I'm not going to engage you. The mods have the power to do so anytime they like. Until they do I hope to continue to have a reasonable and respectful discussion.
It's not my place to say the thread should or shouldn't be removed. I'm saying you keep claiming you're above the fray here while openly giving Dodds the bird here. Carry on you're in charge of yourself. 

 
One of my biggest concerns, personally, about Donald Trump has been his opposition to free trade. (This was also probably my biggest issue with Bernie Sanders.) During his campaign Trump promised tariffs for China and Mexico, which I believe would seriously hurt our economy- and most economists, both liberal and conservative, seem to agree with this.
The TPP appears to be dead, and Trump continues in campaign speeches vowing to renegotiate NAFTA and to put a 35% tariff on all Chinese goods.

But- in the last few weeks I've become pretty hopeful that all of this is talk and that he won't carry through. The first sign was when Kevin McCarthy (who often speaks for Paul Ryan) stated opposition to any ideas on tariffs- indicating that Congress won't go along. Next Trump appointed Mnuchin, and finally now it appears Larry Kudlow will be his main economic advisor. All of this bodes well for free trade. TPP as it currently stands is DOA, but maybe Trump can renegotiate it and get the basic deal done.

 
Is anyone else uneasy about Trump’s daughter and son-in-law becoming White House advisors to President Trump? It’s not just their extensive Trump business holdings and conflicts of interest that worry me. It’s also their family ties.

We’ve elected a president, not a king.

A president hires advisors. A king bestows privileges and titles on his family.

A president wants advice from experts who will tell him what’s in America’s best interest. A king wants advice from people who will tell him what’s in his own personal best interest.

A president assembles a White House staff. A king assembles a court.

 
Here’s what happens if Trump and congressional Republicans really do eliminate the estate tax as they say they will.

1. Trump and his kids – and a few other very wealthy people – get a huge tax cut. Nobody else will. Republicans insist getting rid of the estate tax protects family farms and small businesses, but according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center only 30 such farms and businesses owed any estate tax in 2015, and they only paid 0.05 percent of the estate tax's total revenue. The estate tax doesn’t even kick in until an estate reaches $10.9 million. The richest 1 percent of Americans paid 75 percent of total estate taxes last year. The richest 0.1 percent paid 35 percent.

2. The U.S. budget will have a $225 billion hole over the next decade, which is what the estate tax now brings in. You and I and other taxpayers will have to fill this hole if we want to continue to government services. Or else the deficit will widen.

3. This tax break will come on top of a lower top marginal income tax, a lower corporate income tax, additional tax breaks for companies that repatriate their earnings to the U.S., and even more tax breaks for investors that build infrastructure. All four of these tax breaks will benefit many of the same people – top earners and wealthy investors.

Remember trickle-down economics? This is Niagara Falls economics. And who gets soaked? Average working Americans.

Trump campaigned as a working-class populist. He will govern as a wealth-class oligarch.

 
Voted for Hillary, but open minded on Trump. While some have been troubled by his lack of attention to details when it comes to security briefings, it seems he has delegated the daily briefings to Pence while Trump concentrates more on appointments. Given his background, that's not much of a surprise. I'm sort of on the fence, in a way the further away he stays from certain things, the better.

 
Here’s what happens if Trump and congressional Republicans really do eliminate the estate tax as they say they will.

1. Trump and his kids – and a few other very wealthy people – get a huge tax cut. Nobody else will. Republicans insist getting rid of the estate tax protects family farms and small businesses, but according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center only 30 such farms and businesses owed any estate tax in 2015, and they only paid 0.05 percent of the estate tax's total revenue. The estate tax doesn’t even kick in until an estate reaches $10.9 million. The richest 1 percent of Americans paid 75 percent of total estate taxes last year. The richest 0.1 percent paid 35 percent.

2. The U.S. budget will have a $225 billion hole over the next decade, which is what the estate tax now brings in. You and I and other taxpayers will have to fill this hole if we want to continue to government services. Or else the deficit will widen.

3. This tax break will come on top of a lower top marginal income tax, a lower corporate income tax, additional tax breaks for companies that repatriate their earnings to the U.S., and even more tax breaks for investors that build infrastructure. All four of these tax breaks will benefit many of the same people – top earners and wealthy investors.

Remember trickle-down economics? This is Niagara Falls economics. And who gets soaked? Average working Americans.

Trump campaigned as a working-class populist. He will govern as a wealth-class oligarch.
Exactly. This is why many feel like he duped a main segment of his own supporters. Couple this with what Ryan, et. al. want to do with Medicare & Social Security, and they all just took a collective dump on the rust belt.

 
Is anyone else uneasy about Trump’s daughter and son-in-law becoming White House advisors to President Trump? It’s not just their extensive Trump business holdings and conflicts of interest that worry me. It’s also their family ties.

We’ve elected a president, not a king.

A president hires advisors. A king bestows privileges and titles on his family.

A president wants advice from experts who will tell him what’s in America’s best interest. A king wants advice from people who will tell him what’s in his own personal best interest.

A president assembles a White House staff. A king assembles a court.
No.

Several Presidents in the past have had close personal friends advise them. I don't see the difference, really. JFK made his brother attorney general, and he was excellent.

This sort of thing doesn't bother me at all.

 
This is a conspiracy.

Tim has conspired with an admin to delete all the political threads he didn't start so he can be the thread starter. 

Prove I'm wrong!

 
No.

Several Presidents in the past have had close personal friends advise them. I don't see the difference, really. JFK made his brother attorney general, and he was excellent.

This sort of thing doesn't bother me at all.
What about the conflict of interest with the Trump brand and business and divesting??

 
There is an official one already and has been since election night.

I imagine this is really just to complain and ##### about Trump since Tim started it?

 
A few imbeciles on here went after the wrong person.  Lock them all for all I care.  Specific people own this site and they don't have to listen to anything anyone else says. 

 
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Mods I had forgotten about MOP's thread. Feel free to delete this one or merge them. I really don't care so long as we can continue the discussion. 

 
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