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TobiasFunke said:
Has anyone done that?

What about making death threats to journalists?  Should those people go to prison too?  What about politicians, like say for example the Democratic nominee for president?
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The Secret Service is supposed to follow up on threats to candidates and the judicial system handles accordingly.   So you are okay with threatening to kill electors?

 
Quez said:
Is the electoral college going to change their votes today because of that pathetic video  celebrities made begging them to?  Lmao, I don't even recognize half of those actors.  
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Yeah, many will vote for Carson or Colin Powell instead of Clinton.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I don't disagree with most of what @Arsenal of Doom is posting, but the compromises in the ACA had to be made to get votes from some of the more right-leaning Dems like Lieberman and Baucus.     
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The problem is that no matter how it was put together, ACA is a failure. I'm paying more than I was eight years ago for health insurance for me and my wife, even though I am now on Medicare.  And I don't have the same policy - I've had to change policies three tines because insurance companies have pulled out of my county.

 
knowledge dropper said:
The Secret Service is supposed to follow up on threats to candidates and the judicial system handles accordingly.   So you are okay with threatening to kill electors?
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I'm not OK with anyone threatening to kill anyone. Every person who threatens someone's life is doing a terrible thing and if their behavior is criminal I hope they're caught and prosecuted.  I'm simply curious why you suddenly seem to be expressing such concern about the practice after months and months of Trump supporters (and the occasional Trump adviser) issuing such threats by the thousands.  There's been plenty of posts in this forum about such threats, and I don't recall hearing you join in the outrage, so I was just curious.  Maybe you missed those posts, or the news reports about the threats?  If so that's OK, apparently so did Trump.

 
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knowledge dropper said:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/16/electors-receive-death-threats-flores-dnt-erin.cnn
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Thank you. I agree that anyone who is caught making a death threat should be punished accordingly.

But since your initial statement about "repercussions" was in response to a post about celebrities who are publicly urging electors not to vote for Donald Trump, I naturally assumed that you were referring to those same celebrities. So lets clarify this please: what sort of repercussions, if any, would you like to see against celebrities and others who are peacefully trying to persuade electors not to vote for Donald Trump? 

 
Jeremy said:
I love the way Kellyanne Conway is portrayed in these skits.  That growing realization of her place in history, knowing it's not likely to be positive.  I wonder if she's has any of these "my god, what have I done" moments IRL. 
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Is that before or after she looks at her bank account?

 
timschochet said:
Hasn't Ted Nugent made public death threats against the current President of the United States? 
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Yup, and probably not even in the top ten worst things Nugent has said either.

I'm sure knowledge dropper will be suitably outraged at his possible appearance at any Inauguration activities, just as I'm sure he was horrified with Nugent appeared at a Trump rally days before the 2016 election.

 
timschochet said:
Hasn't Ted Nugent made public death threats against the current President of the United States? 
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Pretty much.

 Let's not forget the time he became the legal guardian of a 17 year old girl just so he could bang her.   And the time he said Grateful Dead fans should be beaten and raped in prison. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
I'm not OK with anyone threatening to kill anyone. Every person who threatens someone's life is doing a terrible thing and if their behavior is criminal I hope they're caught and prosecuted.  I'm simply curious why you suddenly seem to be expressing such concern about the practice after months and months of Trump supporters (and the occasional Trump adviser) issuing such threats by the thousands.  There's been plenty of posts in this forum about such threats, and I don't recall hearing you join in the outrage, so I was just curious.  Maybe you missed those posts, or the news reports about the threats?  If so that's OK, apparently so did Trump.
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I'm not going to rehash what was done at Trump rallies by protesters. I guess I see a big difference between what you are contriving and actually trying to block the handful of people that cast the final votes in a historically peaceful transfer of power.  This isn't Haiti or some other 3rd world country where warlords use threats to change the results of legitimately held elections.  

 
timschochet said:
Thank you. I agree that anyone who is caught making a death threat should be punished accordingly.

But since your initial statement about "repercussions" was in response to a post about celebrities who are publicly urging electors not to vote for Donald Trump, I naturally assumed that you were referring to those same celebrities. So lets clarify this please: what sort of repercussions, if any, would you like to see against celebrities and others who are peacefully trying to persuade electors not to vote for Donald Trump? 
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Sedition is a crime.  

 
Hasn't Ted Nugent made public death threats against the current President of the United States?
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He called Obama a "subhuman mongrel" who should "suck on my machine gun", and also said in 2012 that if Obama was re-elected, that he (Nugent) would either be dead or in jail within a year. (I guess that's the right-wing version of the "move to Canada" threat.)

But hey, it's all just innocent talk, right?

 
knowledge dropper said:
I'm not going to rehash what was done at Trump rallies by protesters. I guess I see a big difference between what you are contriving and actually trying to block the handful of people that cast the final votes in a historically peaceful transfer of power.  This isn't Haiti or some other 3rd world country where warlords use threats to change the results of legitimately held elections.  
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What in God's name are you talking about?  Are you claiming that there is some sort of "warlord" behind the threats?   Are you condoning death threats that don't relate to a procedural aspect of the election?  So long as they're just trying to influence media coverage of the election, that's cool with you?

 
Did the Donald ever get a talking to by the SS for his threats to Hills during the campaign? It's truly amazing how much horrific stuff is easily forgotten that this guy has said and done. And yet, there he is.

 
TobiasFunke said:
What in God's name are you talking about?  Are you claiming that there is some sort of "warlord" behind the threats?   Are you condoning death threats that don't relate to a procedural aspect of the election?  So long as they're just trying to influence media coverage of the election, that's cool with you?
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:wall:

All I said was people threatening to kill electors should go to prison.  You appear to be justifying it by some bizarre quid pro quo based upon other things you think happened in this election cycle.  

 
knowledge dropper said:
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All I said was people threatening to kill electors should go to prison.  You appear to be justifying it by some bizarre quid pro quo based upon other things you think happened in this election cycle.  
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No, that's not all you said.  You also said this:

I guess I see a big difference between what you are contriving and actually trying to block the handful of people that cast the final votes in a historically peaceful transfer of power.  This isn't Haiti or some other 3rd world country where warlords use threats to change the results of legitimately held elections.  
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I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about.  It sounds like you're saying there's some sort of warlord-equivalent behind these threats  Is that what you're saying?  Do you think the death threats to electors are worse than, say, death threats to journalists who are seen as painting Trump in an unflattering light? 

 
TobiasFunke said:
No, that's not all you said.  You also said this:

I'm trying to figure out what you're talking about.  It sounds like you're saying there's some sort of warlord-equivalent behind these threats  Is that what you're saying?  Do you think the death threats to electors are worse than, say, death threats to journalists who are seen as painting Trump in an unflattering light? 
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Anyone making death threats over our election should get prosecuted.  However, if you are talking about killing an elector that is carrying out their constitutional duty, that is a treasonous act.

 
Joe Summer said:
He called Obama a "subhuman mongrel" who should "suck on my machine gun", and also said in 2012 that if Obama was re-elected, that he (Nugent) would either be dead or in jail within a year. (I guess that's the right-wing version of the "move to Canada" threat.)

But hey, it's all just innocent talk, right?
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Don't take him literally!

 
knowledge dropper said:
Anyone making death threats over our election should get prosecuted.  However, if you are talking about killing an elector that is carrying out their constitutional duty, that is a treasonous act.
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So you don't think they're equivalent, then?  Is press coverage of an election a "Constitutional duty" (whatever that means) given the value placed on a free press by the First Amendment and the need for access to information in order for the electorate to properly evaluate the candidates?

Anyway, if it wasn't obvious, here's what I've been getting at: for many months, many people here and elsewhere have been expressing a lot of concern about the tone Trump and his supporters have taken towards their political opponents, the media, etc.  We've seen everything from Holocaust-based anti-Semitic threats to gas journalists and turn them into lampshades, to racist/Islamphobic social media (and in some cases real life) attacks, to Trump supporters chanting about killing Clinton, to a Trump surrogate proposing Clinton's execution, to Trump himself talking about the "Second Amendment people" solving the potential Clinton problem and then playing dumb when pressed about it.

There's also been a lot of concern about Trump's failure to address the worst of his supporters. He's been almost completely silent about his association with white nationalists, addressing it only when forced to by media questions and even then doing so with fairly weak language considering what people have been saying and doing in his name.

Many of us have talked about this stuff over and over and over here.  I don't remember a single Trump supporter sharing our concerns with it.

Either stuff like this bothers you or it doesn't.  It shouldn't be a partisan calculation.

 
timschochet said:
Then the only thing we can hope for is that China will realize how much it could hurt them, and they'll make some paper concessions on trade to Trump, in order to make Trump look like a hero (which is all he seems to care about).  It will be nauseating to have the Trump fans smirk and say see they told us so but at least the business of the world will be able to continue unabated. 
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Almost as nauseating as watching Obama pat himself on his back for a recovery which in reality was absolutely inevitable. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
So you don't think they're equivalent, then?  Is press coverage of an election a "Constitutional duty" (whatever that means) given the value placed on a free press by the First Amendment and the need for access to information in order for the electorate to properly evaluate the candidates?

Anyway, if it wasn't obvious, here's what I've been getting at: for many months, many people here and elsewhere have been expressing a lot of concern about the tone Trump and his supporters have taken towards their political opponents, the media, etc.  We've seen everything from Holocaust-based anti-Semitic threats to gas journalists and turn them into lampshades, to racist/Islamphobic social media (and in some cases real life) attacks, to Trump supporters chanting about killing Clinton, to a Trump surrogate proposing Clinton's execution, to Trump himself talking about the "Second Amendment people" solving the potential Clinton problem and then playing dumb when pressed about it.

There's also been a lot of concern about Trump's failure to address the worst of his supporters. He's been almost completely silent about his association with white nationalists, addressing it only when forced to by media questions and even then doing so with fairly weak language considering what people have been saying and doing in his name.

Many of us have talked about this stuff over and over and over here.  I don't remember a single Trump supporter sharing our concerns with it.

Either stuff like this bothers you or it doesn't.  It shouldn't be a partisan calculation.
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If it happened and Trump was indeed a skinhead, white supremacist, Nazi, member of the legion of super villains, Dalton Gang, etc.  I would be worried. He's not.  Some people may have gravitated to his campaign.  I am sure other nefarious groups gravitated to the losing campaign.  Using your logic you wholeheartedly support the rioting and destruction of BLM?

 
knowledge dropper said:
If it happened and Trump was indeed a skinhead, white supremacist, Nazi, member of the legion of super villains, Dalton Gang, etc.  I would be worried. He's not.  Some people may have gravitated to his campaign.  I am sure other nefarious groups gravitated to the losing campaign.  Using your logic you wholeheartedly support the rioting and destruction of BLM?
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Whoa, wait a second.  Death threats from Trump supporters are only troublesome if Trump is a Nazi?  Then why are you troubled by the death threats from Trump opponents?  And I didn't ask if you were "worried," I asked why you were outraged at some death threats but not others.  You still haven't given a reasonable explanation. And your silly BLM distraction isn't gonna get you there.

Also, setting aside your mistaken logic for a moment- the lengths to which you seem willing to go to avoid condemning Nazi death threats, chants to murder presidential candidates, and calls from prominent politicians hinting at the same is pretty appalling.  Can we at least start with you agreeing that those things are really really really bad, before we talk about the extent to which they might be worse or better than threats to electors and the extent to which the tenor of Trump's campaign and his lack of accountability might be responsible?

 
TobiasFunke said:
Whoa, wait a second.  Death threats from Trump supporters are only troublesome if Trump is a Nazi?  Then why are you troubled by the death threats from Trump opponents?  And I didn't ask if you were "worried," I asked why you were outraged at some death threats but not others.  You still haven't given a reasonable explanation. And your silly BLM distraction isn't gonna get you there.

Also, setting aside your mistaken logic for a moment- the lengths to which you seem willing to go to avoid condemning Nazi death threats, chants to murder presidential candidates, and calls from prominent politicians hinting at the same is pretty appalling.  Can we at least start with you agreeing that those things are really really really bad, before we talk about the extent to which they might be worse or better than threats to electors and the extent to which the tenor of Trump's campaign and his lack of accountability might be responsible?
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I give.  If you think the mob mentality of some idiots yelling things at a rally is the same as sitting down and writing a letter to an elector that you will kill them if they vote for Trump and I have some role in any of it and have to condemn something, then you are just being obtuse and arguing to argue.  No wonder Dodds shut it down last week.  

 
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