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timschochet
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I know that the Trump fans are eagerly anticipating this but I wonder if they're going to be waiting awhile. I have a feeling that Obama's main accomplishments- Obamacare and the Iran deal, among other things- aren't really going anywhere.
RBM
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Card Trader
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When someone posts something so ridiculous all you can do is laugh, is there something else we should do to acknowledge that?
RBM
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I think it means the poster finds the quoted post funny. Just spitballing though.
GoBirds
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Good luck with keeping Obamacare....what a disaster he shoved down everyone's throats.
adonis
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Well, looks like we're locked and loaded now for a Trump presidency.
God help us all. The best I can hope for is that he doesn't get us embroiled in a war overseas in an effort to bring the nation together under him. That's one of my bigger fears.
Will certainly be interesting to watch as he is handed a country in quite good shape...to see what it looks like after 4 years. If we're continuing to improve, I'll be surprised but will give him credit.
I would love for someone to start a thread on here for all the folks who voted for Trump, to say what specific policies they expect him to enact, if it hasn't been created already.
God help us all. The best I can hope for is that he doesn't get us embroiled in a war overseas in an effort to bring the nation together under him. That's one of my bigger fears.
Will certainly be interesting to watch as he is handed a country in quite good shape...to see what it looks like after 4 years. If we're continuing to improve, I'll be surprised but will give him credit.
I would love for someone to start a thread on here for all the folks who voted for Trump, to say what specific policies they expect him to enact, if it hasn't been created already.
MaxThreshold
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Wait...what? You're kidding, right? The Democrats just lost an election they were supposed to win and that's because people are not happy.
Dickies
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adonis
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The democrats got 3 million more votes than Trump got. There was more than 1 reason why folks voted for Trump and it's not just unhappiness.
By many major measures, the country is in good shape right now:
- uninsured numbers way down
- stock market very high
- unemployment numbers pretty good
- no new major military conflict in 8 years
- inflation has been kept in check
And more. I'm sure there are some other numbers that can be presented to put a different, and more negative spin on it, but in general the situation is pretty good...considerably better than when GWB handed the reigns over to Obama. Obama is now handing over a pretty good situation, and while I have my doubts that Trump will better it, I hope he does for all of our sakes.
I suspect though, at the end of the day, the one group of folks that will certainly be better off after 4 years of Trump in office is Trump's family and business partners. Apart from that, it's a crapshoot.
GoBirds
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adonis
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RBM
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GoBirds
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Nice try to spin how great things are while the poster child for stay the course just lost blue states that never go red. Keep hanging onto the popular vote,we definitely don't need California deciding the direction of the country and they were the difference. Trump inherited a ticking time bomb as printing money and low rates for the last year has left a bubble to unwind. Speaking of bubbles.....enjoy the one you are living in.
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GoBirds
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Scoresman
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But the lmao emoticon is the only debate tactic people on the right seem to use! What biased moderating!
Dickies
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Let me ask you this. Trump's campaign slogan is MAGA. Are we not great right now? If not, why not, and when was the last time America was great?
I listened to conservative radio for about 20 minutes on the ride home from work today and caller after caller and the host kept talking about how Trump is going to restore the country's values. What does this mean?
Not trolling. These are things that have me genuinely curious as I tend to think along the lines of @adonis
adonis
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I'm not hanging onto the popular vote. It's a fact that nearly 3 million more people voted democrat than republican. That does have meaning, despite your attempt to dismiss it. Just like states going red that were blue has meaning as well. I'm not saying democrats have a lot to be happy about from this election, but it's not 100% bad news.
Regardless, I have no idea what bubble you're talking about, and I suspect you don't know either.
adonis
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Conservative radio and Trump have been talking about how terrible America is for some time now. They have some legitimate gripes (health insurance rates need work), but there are a ton of manufactured problems:
- America losing to the rest of the world
- war on Christmas
- LGBT stuff like the NC bathroom bill, boycott Target, etc
- Nonsense about the Fed playing politics to make Obama look good
- Nonsense about voter fraud
- Nonsense about Crime rates going way up, despite almost ALL data showing otherwise
- perennial issues with the welfare moochers/takers in society
A ton of folks in this country who opposed Obama have been streaming talk radio and other poor sources of factual information for 8 years now. Tons have a highly negative view of the country because ALL they have been hearing about is how bad Obama is, how bad the choices are, how our values are going down the tubes...so of course these folks think we've lost our greatness.
The difficult part though is that their frustration with what's been going on for the past 8 years has little resemblance to the real world. In the real world, things are pretty OK in this country. Many things that have changed, have changed in ways beyond a presidents control. Automation resulting in people losing jobs. Move away from coal. Globalization. Increased reliance on technology skills.
I'm at a loss to see what can be done, truly, to "make america great again", but I think at the root of it is that the sources of information these folks listen to day in and day out, all that needs to happen for them to think things are better is for the talk radio folks to be more positive. It will convince the folks that things are getting better. That's my long-winded guess on how Trump will make america great again...by basically co-opting the incredibly negative sources of information for much of america into more positive propaganda factories. We'll see if they can stay in business when they're not riling up their listener/reader base day after day...it'll be a new business model, but they always have the enemy liberals out there to bash for something.
SaintsInDome2006
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It's not that weird that supporters can't get over losing an election they knew they should have won. These are random citizens and posters around the country.
What is weird is the man who actually won and is soon to be President can't get over losing the popular vote and must either lie or believe the lie that he really won it. Now that is rather disturbing.
GoBirds
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Hillary won CA by 4.3 million votes. The country got what the wanted, CA is what it is.
Didnt expect you to understand a bubble, Obama kept kicking the can down the road for someone else to handle.
Not 100% bad? You lost to an orange reality tv star with no political experience saying whatever he wanted going against your royal family and 1st woman president to be? How does it get worse?
Dickies
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timschochet
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Well I don't know.
The key element of Obamacare, by far the most important (and costly) aspect is that pre-existing conditions can no longer be refused by insurance companies, nor can they charge higher rates for pre-existing conditions. President-elect Trump has pledged to keep this aspect. He has not explained how he will. This makes me awfully suspicious that the only change to Obamacare will be the name...but we'll see.
James Daulton
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The bottom line is that America is not great for unskilled, low educated workers. These are the people who swept Donald into office. Sure there's also significant elements of keeping illegals out and getting a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, but by and large, people who've seen their jobs leave via automation or offshoring are the ones who elected Trump. Unfortunately their goals are short term at best and may not even line up with what's best for our country as a whole in the short term.
Regardless, we're stuck with Trump. Hopefully the country is successful during his term but the fact remains that he was elected by a contingent of our country that probably doesn't reflect what's in the best interest for our future as a competitive, technologically superior leader of the world. We're in weird times to be sure.
Regardless, we're stuck with Trump. Hopefully the country is successful during his term but the fact remains that he was elected by a contingent of our country that probably doesn't reflect what's in the best interest for our future as a competitive, technologically superior leader of the world. We're in weird times to be sure.
timschochet
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Trump supporters seem to want to dismiss California, which is pretty amazing to me.
GoBirds
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It needs an overhaul. If he's smart he does that and finds a way to maintain an aspect of it that gives people that like Obamacare something to hang their hat on and say "it's really the same" and claim a win as well. Everyone "wins" but the program as we know it is toast and hasn't worked.
California and the national popular vote went for Gore in 2000. Not a bad case for using the popular vote, like most countries and all states do.
But politics shouldn't be a reason for keeping any voting policy.
timschochet
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You're not really bothering to explain here what it is that you'd like to do.
Look, I agree: if Trump finds a way to keep the pre-existing conditions out and yet get rid of the mandate and the rate increases, more power to him! But frankly I don't see how that is done. The moment we got rid of pre-existing conditions we were always going to have rate increases, even with the individual mandate.
So when you say the program as we know it is "toast" I don't know what that means, except that maybe we'll change the name so that we don't have to call it Obamacare anymore. But if you're looking for rates to go back down, you'd better have a solution that I can't see. (Unless you want single payer, that is.)
timschochet
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California's been good to me
Hope it don't fall into the sea
Sometimes you've got to save yourself
It ain't like anywhere else!
Hope it don't fall into the sea
Sometimes you've got to save yourself
It ain't like anywhere else!
GoBirds
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Sure not trying to fight the battle over CA let's just say views out that way a little extreme.
timschochet
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DanFouts
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Exactly...everyone wants to keep the pre-existing clause and yet no one wants to pay for it. Fiscal conservatives should know better..you can't get nothing for free. The only way it was paid for was making the incentive for insurance companies the possibility of getting more healthy people to buy in (the mandate). (This was all originally a Republican idea...the Dems wanted single payer a la the UK). Without mandate (or way higher rates), insurance companies won't get in the game and cover sick people....(it's a free market system republicans....)
It's sad...they will probably change a small tweak, rebrand as Trumpcare, and call it a day....almost pathetically comical.
adonis
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Another large contingent of folks who voted for him just wanted to stick it to the establishment - meaning that they didn't really vote for Trump, but they cast a vote for "chaos" in his name.
I live in the deeeep south. My area voted for Trump bigly. Folks I work with voted for trump, overwhelmingly. Conversations with them were less about supporting Trump or his policies, and more about sticking it to Clinton, and causing disruption to the federal government, which they deem to be "the problem". They hope he just goes in there and mucks it all up...seriously. So long as he does fine on military stuff, he can piss on the rest of the government and these folks will be happy.
So I think that this is his majority - folks whose jobs have gone and likely aren't coming back, and folks who put the Tea Party in office and have now elected Trump who don't want an effective federal government, but want most things to revert back to states rights. The campaigns were so short on policies and so long on "scandals" that it shouldn't be a surprise that most folks don't have any idea what they expect Trump to do. Build a wall? Deport millions of "illegal immigrants?" Make America Great Again?
I mean...I imagine if you pick 10 Trump voters and ask them, based on his campaign, what they would set as his top 3 policy goals, I'm not sure you'd get much agreement.
adonis
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Since nearly day one, talk radio and the conservative media has told people to hate Obamacare. Hate it...it's terrible! It's a trainwreck!
But ask folks about the provisions, and they overwhelmingly support it.
Should elected officials focus on fixing what's wrong and improving on it? Yes. Is that what happened? No. Lots of grandstanding and ridiculous attempts at repeal. So much so that many candidates have run on doing just that, and gotten lots of support for it.
Ironically, many of the people who "hate obamacare" are the very people who rely on it. A ton of people likely just voted themselves off of having affordable healthcare if Trump and the Republicans go through with repealing it and not enacting the key provisions. Good job folks.
Dr Oadi
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People just don't know how good they have it till it's gone.
Low interest rates. Gone.
Low energy costs. Gone.
Low unemployment. Gone.
Thanks Trump.
adonis
Footballguy
There will always be liberals or government to blame.
Apparently house republicans are blaming the EPA for the flint water situation. Shameful, but it's only a taste of things to come.
Sabertooth
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I, for one look forward to my daughters getting jobs. They are 10 and 13 and spend way too much time on their phones. A job will prepare them for when they are drafted after they turn 18. Cheers!
McGarnicle
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Trump's base is mostly uneducated rubes who believe conspiracy theories and are only qualified for menial work. They are either too lazy or too stupid to get an education and better themselves, therefore globalization/technology = bad. Plus many of these folks are racists and fundamentalist Christians, so they're especially angry with Obama simply breathing oxygen, and of course they're angry with progressive policies like gay marriage. If we want to make America great again, we could start by easing up the laws against tobacco advertising, maybe incentivize Burger King to add infertility drugs to the Whopper, do away with those protective fences at NASCAR races, etc.
Righetti
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Mike Kachman
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I have been reading these boards for months since joining FBG. I don't post because I don't have the time to post 50 rebuttal posts. I'm just too busy. But I did want to make a point. A large percentage of the anti-Trump posters here imply that anybody who voted for Trump is a low-income/poorly educated/ignorant voter. Some also imply racist, etc. You are delusional. I am a physician. I have many physician friends, friends with multiple degrees, business owners, etc. who voted for Trump. I live near the research triangle part of NC which is typically more blue than red but was very purple for this election. My first choice was Cruz but I obviously voted for Trump after Cruz lost. People who imply Trump voters are all stupid uneducated people are ignorant in their own right. Be careful, because failure to objectively stand back and assess the true reasons for Trump's win will almost assuredly result in more losses for your candidates because you don't understand the reasons. Clinton was also a deeply flawed candidate. And Trump didn't win because the voters are all racist. Many people who voted for Obama voted for Trump.
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